But it wasn't there last night!



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @PJH said:
    Dunno about New Jersey, but Britain does indeed have petrol pumps.

    New Jersey has a law banning self-service gas stations; all pumps are full-service. Oregon has the same law, I believe.

    Which is horror-movie creepy. Whenever I'm driving through Oregon (because God knows I'd never stop in Oregon!) I try to get all the way across the state without having to fuel-up... alas I have not succeeded yet. Next time: jerry cans.



  • @Cassidy said:

    onsequently, the car conked to a standstill because fuelling it up was something she'd never considered.

    I think a lot of the habits you have as a driver stem from what you were taught as a learner. I learned to drive fairly late (mid 30's) and my instructor taught me that the first thing I should do after checking the seat and mirrors was check the fuel and other gauges. I now do it automatically.

    I can well imagine that someone who was not taught this when they learned to drive could easily not bother to do it. Right up until the day the car runs out of petrol.

    Not as much thinking "this is a magic car that never needs refuelling" but just not thinking to check.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Whenever I'm driving through Oregon (because God knows I'd never stop in Oregon!) I try to get all the way across the state without having to fuel-up... alas I have not succeeded yet. Next time: jerry cans.
     

    20-ish years ago I drove a wheelchair van for an ambulance company that had their own gas pumps in the parking lot.  In order to do this, I had to go through the (minimal) training needed to be deemed eligible to pump gas.  Not willing to try it -- I no longer have the evidence of having taken the training -- but I wonder what a gas station would do if I pulled out my training certificate and started pumping my own gas.  After all, the basis behind no self-serve is that they want trained people to do the puming.  If I'm trained, well . . . then I ought to be able to pump my own gas.

    [url=http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/480.html]ORS 480.330[/url]

    Meh.  I get my understanding was wrong.  Doesn't say anything in there about training, just says if you're not an employee or an operator then you're SOL.  Bah.  Damn Oregonians need to change that.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    @PJH said:
    Dunno about New Jersey, but Britain does indeed have petrol pumps.

    New Jersey has a law banning self-service gas stations; all pumps are full-service. Oregon has the same law, I believe.

    Which is horror-movie creepy. Whenever I'm driving through Oregon (because God knows I'd never stop in Oregon!) I try to get all the way across the state without having to fuel-up... alas I have not succeeded yet. Next time: jerry cans.

    New Jersey is extra-special. My race series has a stop in New Jersey. The gas pumps [i]at the race track[/i] are even required to be full service. Despite this, and despite being a race track, you get really funny looks when you take a pickup load of fuel cans to the pumps. Seriously, guy. You work at a race track. You should know damn well that, when permitted, we'll fuel from cans in pit road instead of driving the racecar off the track and out to the damned pumps.

     

    And then there's the seatbelt law. The [i]racing[/i] seatbelt law. They require, and enforce with the bloody state police, that any car using racing-type seatbelts on a closed track must have the seatbelts date coded within 2 years. This is actually in alignment with the certifying organizations for safety gear, but the issue is that those things are pretty expensive and the certification lifetime is based on time spent outdoors, exposed to sunlight. No sane racer leaves the belts in the car, and very few actual racing sanctions require following the date rules on their own (instead, they use a "your belts look ratty, go buy new ones") sort of rule.

     It is also entirely possible to be ticketed and fined by the New Jersey state police for reckless driving. On a closed race track. In a racecar. During a sanctioned race. And it happens fairly often. Our organizers have been trying to get the state police to go out there with a cruiser and start pulling people over, but they have wisely refused thus far.

    The best part of these last two is that, the first time the series came to NJ, nobody knew about these laws until the state police showed up and started telling people they couldn't race, and people started getting citations with their normal penalties.

    In other words, New Joisey is an even bigger automotive backwater hellhole than most people realize. 



  • @nonpartisan said:

    ORS 480.330

    Meh. I get my understanding was wrong. Doesn't say anything in there about training, just says if you're not an employee or an operator then you're SOL. Bah. Damn Oregonians need to change that.

    I don't think even Oregon is still deluded enough to think it's done for safety reasons. It's a ill-conceived job-creation program, that's all.

    "It's done for safety reasons!" "Uh, ok so how come 48 other states, or let's say approximately 98% of the US population, pumps their own gas without any safety incidents?" "It's ... uh... for safety reasons!" See, not even Oregonians are that retarded.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    "It's done for safety reasons!" "Uh, ok so how come 48 other states, or let's say approximately 98% of the US population, pumps their own gas without any safety incidents?" "It's ... uh... for safety reasons!" See, not even Oregonians are that retarded.

    You make them sound really dumb, but I'm sure they have a trump card to defeat your stupid facts and reasoning: "But what about the Children?!"



  • @Mason Wheeler said:

    Smart is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.  Wise is knowing better than to put one in a fruit salad.

     

    Ah, but what if the other fruits in your fruit salad are zuchini, avocado, cucumbers, eggplant and bell peppers?



  • @dubbreak said:

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    Smart is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.  Wise is knowing better than to put one in a fruit salad.

     

    Ah, but what if the other fruits in your fruit salad are zuchini, avocado, cucumbers, eggplant and bell peppers?

    That doesn't sound very tasty.

    I think real wisdom is being able to recognize that there are two distinct definition of fruit: the botanical definition and the culinary definition. Words can mean different things in different contexts; a tomato is a fruit, botanically speaking, and a vegetable, culinarily speaking. Not understanding that is not at all wise.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    That doesn't sound very tasty.

    Good point. Drop the avocado, roast all the ingredient and some garlic, toss it all in some cous cous, add a bit of olive oil and salt and pepper to taste.. that sounds better. That's my kind of fruit salad. It goes a lot better with steak than a traditional fruit salad.

    @morbiuswilters said:

    I think real wisdom is being able to recognize that there are two distinct definition of fruit: the botanical definition and the culinary definition. Words can mean different things in different contexts; a tomato is a fruit, botanically speaking, and a vegetable, culinarily speaking. Not understanding that is not at all wise.

    Is it though? Someone can just memorize the culinary definition in addition to the botanical. I guess the point I'm trying to make is: knowing the difference is smart, understanding the difference and being able to 'apply your knowledge' is wise. (I had a physics teacher that would yell that phrase, "APPLY YOUR KNOWLEDGE!!!"



  •  Ever seen two housewives backout from oposing garages and hit each other in the street? Who's fault is that? Hate to be that insurance adjustor.



  • @dubbreak said:

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    Smart is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.  Wise is knowing better than to put one in a fruit salad.

    Ah, but what if the other fruits in your fruit salad are zuchini, avocado, cucumbers, eggplant and bell peppers?

     

    @dubbreak said:

    roast all the ingredient and some garlic, toss it
    all in some cous cous, add a bit of olive oil and salt and pepper to
    taste.. that sounds better.
     


    That's a fucking pasta sauce.

     



  • @pjt33 said:

    Maybe checking tyre pressure too, but I assume that most people will be familiar with that from bicycles.
     

    Yes, because you just squeeze them between your fingers.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @pjt33 said:
    I have a driving licence, but I've never used a petrol pump.

    How the hell not? Is Britain like New Jersey or something?

    Most pumps here are self-service - it's rare to find a full service station here.

    I think what you're missing is that it's entirely possible to do lessons with a driving instructor who never gets you to fuel the vehicle, lends you their car for the test, and then not drive again, relying on bicycles, public transport and taxis to get around. Even driving a company car from time to time may not be enough to have you encounter a fuel pump - it's not uncommon for companies to hire a car on full-to-empty terms if it's for short term hire, or to have you drive a pool car on the odd occasion you need to drive (which will be fully maintained, including someone who's job it is to ensure the car is fuelled each night).

    Plus, driving licences are useful ID in their own right - they now come with a handy credit card sized photocard, ideal for proving to the bouncer that you're old enough to drink. The driving bit is kinda optional for many UK residents - not, as you might imagine, due to the price of fuel, but due to the cost of legally mandated insurance.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I think real wisdom is being able to recognize that there are two distinct definition of fruit: the botanical definition and the culinary definition. Words can mean different things in different contexts; a tomato is a fruit, botanically speaking, and a vegetable, culinarily speaking. Not understanding that is not at all wise.

     

    Good point, but then I'd argue that the person that started the differentiation is a complete idiot and it is unwise to follow such idiocy. I'll stick to the botanical definition for everything, Don't Repeat Yourself and all that.

     



  • @erikal said:

    Good point, but then I'd argue that the person that started the differentiation is a complete idiot and it is unwise to follow such idiocy. I'll stick to the botanical definition for everything, Don't Repeat Yourself and all that.

    But isn't the botanical definition only useful for being a pedantic dickweed? Oh, right.



  • @farnz said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    @pjt33 said:
    I have a driving licence, but I've never used a petrol pump.

    How the hell not? Is Britain like New Jersey or something?

    ... it's entirely possible to do lessons with a driving instructor who never gets you to fuel the vehicle, lends you their car for the test, and then not drive again, relying on bicycles, public transport and taxis to get around. ...


    Got it in one. Since obtaining my licence I have driven on two occasions. And although I'm sure I can handle the basics of using a petrol pump (open cap, insert pump, squeeze handle), I have no idea how you tell that it's getting full and avoid overfilling and polluting the forecourt. I seem to recall hearing that some pumps have a sensor which handles this automatically, but I'm sure that not all do. Can you listen to the sound the fuel makes, like filling a bottle of water?



  • @pjt33 said:

    I have no idea how you tell that it's getting full and avoid overfilling and polluting the forecourt. I seem to recall hearing that some pumps have a sensor which handles this automatically, but I'm sure that not all do.

    They certainly all do in the US. I simply cannot imagine that you guys don't have that level of technology, not to mention environmental regulations from your country and the EU. I'd guess that the pump would have to be several decades old to not have automatic shut off.



  • @locallunatic said:

    @Cassidy said:

    Consequently, the car conked to a standstill because fuelling it up was something she'd never considered.

    Wha?  How?  I mean if you share the car with someone then I guess you could assume that they would fill it up regularly is something you could do, but that is intentionally dismissing it not just not thinking of it.

    You could assume that, but apparently this was early in their relationship, he'd never filled it up with her in the car, she'd just passed her test and he lent her the car as a runaround for a bit whilst being away on business. It conked out after the best part of a week.

    @locallunatic said:

    @pjt33 said:

    There are a few basics which really should be taught as part of driving instruction but, at least in the UK, aren't. At a minimum, filling up with petrol, checking oil levels, and changing a wheel.

    The idea that these are things that actually require instruction is something that boggles the mind.  How in the hell do you grow up and not just pick these things up?  These are like the basic money skills that don't need to be taught, kids just absorb them through the skin.

    I'll concede that only a minority completely miss these things growing up, but I'm with PJT on those one that unless they're part of driving instruction (but perhaps not part of the test) then there's no certainty that the topic is covered.

    I understand the Germans can't take their test until they've clocked up a set number of hours on the autobahn, as well as driving in the dark and driving in hazardous conditions (bad weather). I think that makes for a much more competant driver once the individual has passed their test.

    In UK learners must stay off the motorways until passing their test, which ill-prepares them for motorway driving, but a number of years back the test was upgraded to include a theory part, covering things that are common knowledge to experienced drivers but useful information to the novice driver.

    @morbiuswilters said:

    "Changing a wheel": is this a British-ism? In the US we say "changing a tire" even though "changing a wheel" is definitely more accurate.

    Yup - we have a "spare wheel" in the boot ("trunk"), but we take the tyre ("tire") to a garage ("gah-rarjsh") to get it swapped over. It's probably the UK being pedantic dickweeds, using that terminology.


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    @pjt33 said:

    And although I'm sure I can handle the basics of using a petrol pump (open cap, insert pump, squeeze handle), I have no idea how you tell that it's getting full and avoid overfilling and polluting the forecourt.

    'You' dont. @pjt33 said:

    I seem to recall hearing that some pumps have a sensor which handles this automatically, but I'm sure that not all do

    I'd be very surprised to find any big-name petrol forecourt (or any self-service garage) anywhere that doesn't have this mechanism. It has to do with the small opening in the larger tube shown here:







    An alternative arrangement (with the 'sensing port' higher than the end of the nozzle):



  • @esoterik said:

     Ever seen two housewives backout from oposing garages and hit each other in the street? Who's fault is that?

    Both. Clearly neither were checking beforehand.

    @boomzilla said:

    @pjt33 said:
    I have no idea how you tell that it's getting full and avoid overfilling
    and polluting the forecourt. I seem to recall hearing that some pumps
    have a sensor which handles this automatically, but I'm sure that not
    all do.

    They certainly all do in the US.

    They do in the UK too - or at least have done since I've been driving (good 25+ years). Most also have a lock-out, controlled at the pay point: squeezing the trigger does nothing until the attendant has hit the button. Most filling these days is just a matter of slotting the nozzle in and squeezing hard: fuel flows once the attendant clears you then stops once the sensor detects backwash.

    Actually, thinking about it - I recall at a younger age watching someone splashing fuel on their shoes on a forecourt... so I'm guessing that the sensors stuff came in shortly before leaded (4-star) was phased out.



  • @Cassidy said:

    I'll concede that only a minority completely miss these things growing up, but I'm with PJT on those one that unless they're part of driving instruction (but perhaps not part of the test) then there's no certainty that the topic is covered.

    Yes, of course, but it's a lesson learned pretty quickly if you didn't already pick it up. Do they also need to make sure you can use both electric and manual windows? Do we really need a law for this stuff? Do these people need to be monitored to ensure that they breathe, too?



  • @boomzilla said:

    @erikal said:
    Good point, but then I'd argue that the person that started the differentiation is a complete idiot and it is unwise to follow such idiocy. I'll stick to the botanical definition for everything, Don't Repeat Yourself and all that.

    But isn't the botanical definition only useful for being a pedantic dickweed? Oh, right.

     

    So its a win-win.



  • I can see that someone could go up their entire childhood without ever being in a car when it needed to be filled up.  But to live such a sheltered life where they never saw cars pulling into a gas station, nor watched the news where people are constantly complaining about high gas prices, nor used a gas powered lawnmower, nor been in a science (or history) class that explain the concepts of the combustion engine I find impossible.  There is just too much evidence out there to deduce that cars need fuel to run.

     And for you pjt33, google is your friend when it comes to those types of questions:

    Heck, at one point thanks to google/youtube I was able to figure out how to replace the lock controls on my car door (which involved removing part of the door panel) when it broke without having to take it into a mechanic, all I had to do was get the replacement part (which was under $20).


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    @C-Octothorpe said:

    @snoofle said:

    @blakeyrat said:

    Book-smart, maybe, but world-dumb.
    Bingo!

    This is the same kid, who, after driving for a week, her mother asked her if she had checked her gas guage yet, to which she replied: Why would I check it?

    Would she also believe you if you told her that all cars now require adding at least one gallon of maple syrup to ensure the engine fires correctly and the buffers stay flushed?  If so, I would even doubt "book-smart" and put her in the "she can remember a lot of things" category, which can be very scary depending on her career choice (i.e. doctor).

    I believe the canonical troll is headlight fluid.



  • @Cassidy said:

    @esoterik said:

     Ever seen two housewives backout from oposing garages and hit each other in the street? Who's fault is that?

    Both. Clearly neither were checking beforehand.

     

    Oh, Cassidy, just for reference, esoterik's is an example of a sexist remark. ;)

     



  • @dhromed said:

    @pjt33 said:

    Maybe checking tyre pressure too, but I assume that most people will be familiar with that from bicycles.
     

    Yes, because you just squeeze them between your fingers.

    HELL NO... Some bicycle tires run at pressures upwards of 70PSI, and even a 10% difference can have a measurable impact, and there is no way you are going to determine that by "squeezing". In fact for these types of tires, the only way to have a good pressure is to over-inflate and reeate through the gauge until the pressure is right (since the act of measureing the pressure using a conventional gauge will let out sufficient air that the tire is now underinflated.


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    @blakeyrat said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    @pjt33 said:
    I have, on the other hand, once changed a wheel.

    "Changing a wheel": is this a British-ism? In the US we say "changing a tire" even though "changing a wheel" is definitely more accurate.

    When I change a wheel, I am simultaneously changing a tire. Blakeyrat on Logic, 2/2.

    How many spare wheels do you carry?



  • @boomzilla said:

    Yes, of course, but it's a lesson learned pretty quickly if you didn't already pick it up.

    Yeah, but like anything reactive lessons aren't always the best way to learn.

    @boomzilla said:

    Do they also need to make sure you can use both electric and manual windows?

    No, but solely because you can drive a car for some period of time without having to drop the window. Learning things about oil, water, tyre pressure aren't essential to driving, but are components of car maintanence, so it makes sense to have that as part of a lesson.

    I suppose, being a PD here, that a "school of motoring" sells "driving lessons" and not "car ownership lessons", but it's still a value-added component of a driving lesson.

    @boomzilla said:

    Do we really need a law for this stuff?

    No... not sure where the law features in there.

    @boomzilla said:

    Do these people need to be monitored to ensure that they breathe, too?

    There are many people in UK who are so chronically stupid that they probably require this level of observation. Overlooking rather than overseeing is doing both a favour...



  • I'm of the opinion that every drivers' training road test should begin you with a car that has a punctured tire, an uninflated spare in the trunk, a dead battery, an empty gas tank, a few ounces of oil left, and a blown ignition fuse. The car is conveniently parked only 50 feet away from the air compressor, quick charger, gas pump, and oil pump. If you're physically handicapped, you will be afforded an extra 15 minutes for the test. If you're missing a limb, you can use an automatic transmission.



  • @db2 said:

    I'm of the opinion that every drivers' training road test should begin you with a car that has a punctured tire, an uninflated spare in the trunk, a dead battery, an empty gas tank, a few ounces of oil left, and a blown ignition fuse. The car is conveniently parked only 50 feet away from the air compressor, quick charger, gas pump, and oil pump. If you're physically handicapped, you will be afforded an extra 15 minutes for the test. If you're missing a limb, you can use an automatic transmission.

    No matter how hard you try to stop stupidity by usage of rules and laws, idiots will always find far more creative ways to disappoint you.



  • @TheCPUWizard said:

    HELL NO... Some bicycle tires run at pressures upwards of 70PSI, and even a 10% difference can have a measurable impact, and there is no way you are going to determine that by "squeezing". In fact for these types of tires, the only way to have a good pressure is to over-inflate and reeate through the gauge until the pressure is right (since the act of measureing the pressure using a conventional gauge will let out sufficient air that the tire is now underinflated.

    You know what's awesome? Pedeantic dickweed posts! This thread needed more of those, thanks CPUWizard for being a complete tool.



  • @Cassidy said:

    @boomzilla said:
    Do they also need to make sure you can use both electric and manual windows?

    No, but solely because you can drive a car for some period of time without having to drop the window. Learning things about oil, water, tyre pressure aren't essential to driving, but are components of car maintanence, so it makes sense to have that as part of a lesson.

    Ah, so you want to kill dogs. And small children.

    @Cassidy said:

    @boomzilla said:
    Do we really need a law for this stuff?

    No... not sure where the law features in there.

    Eh, I guess it was standard extrapolation on my part of the modern totalitarian nanny state. "X is a good idea? Make a law! Now, X is mandatory!" Of course, I'm sure these same people who don't understand the relationship between fuel and driving are meticulous when it comes to charging their cell phone or music player batteries.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @TheCPUWizard said:
    HELL NO... Some bicycle tires run at pressures upwards of 70PSI, and even a 10% difference can have a measurable impact, and there is no way you are going to determine that by "squeezing". In fact for these types of tires, the only way to have a good pressure is to over-inflate and reeate through the gauge until the pressure is right (since the act of measureing the pressure using a conventional gauge will let out sufficient air that the tire is now underinflated.

    You know what's awesome? Pedeantic dickweed posts! This thread needed more of those, thanks CPUWizard for being a complete tool.

    I dont see how my post was either:  1) ostentatious in one's learning. or 2) overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, especially in teaching.

    While improper (but not criticaly "bad") inflation of an automotive tire will cause wear, millage issues, ride comfort, etc issues, it will rarely be something that causes a significant difference in the trip itself. So it you tire pressure is supposed to be 28 PSI, and you are running 26 to 30 PSI, many people will not even notice the diference. On the otherhand, if riding a (human powered) bicycle and the tire pressure is off by this much (percentage), then the effort required to maintain a speed over a difference can quickly change from comfortable to exhausting quite quickly.



  • @TheCPUWizard said:

    I dont see how my post was either: 1) ostentatious in one's learning. or 2) overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, especially in teaching.

    Ok, Mr Spock.

    What the fuck is up with your HTML? You wrapped every word in its own SPAN? Why would you do that? Why do you change the cursor on "obstentatious" and "concerned"? What the fuck?



  • @Cassidy said:

    Actually, thinking about it - I recall at a younger age watching someone splashing fuel on their shoes on a forecourt... so I'm guessing that the sensors stuff came in shortly before leaded (4-star) was phased out.

     

    How long ago was leaded phased out in the UK?  I'm too young to remember leaded gas in the US, but I still see gas tanks overflow fairly often when the sensors go bad (and the station owner is too cheap to fix it in a timely fashion).

     



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Ok, Mr Spock.

    What is up with your HTML? You wrapped every word in its own SPAN? Why would you do that? Why do you change the cursor on "obstentatious" and "concerned"?

    Seems you can not recognize material directly pasted from http://dictionary.reference.com/.  I did *nothing* to the HTML. Any percieved anomolies are either from the original material (so go ask them) or are part of a Transform performed by this site during the posting.



  • @db2 said:

    I'm of the opinion that every drivers' training road test should begin you with a car that has a punctured tire, an uninflated spare in the trunk, a dead battery, an empty gas tank, a few ounces of oil left, and a blown ignition fuse. The car is conveniently parked only 50 feet away from the air compressor, quick charger, gas pump, and oil pump. If you're physically handicapped, you will be afforded an extra 15 minutes for the test. If you're missing a limb, you can use an automatic transmission.

    "Driving Test for Linux Users".

     



  • @boomzilla said:

    @Cassidy said:
    @boomzilla said:
    Do they also need to make sure you can use both electric and manual windows?

    No, but solely because you can drive a car for some period of time without having to drop the window. Learning things about oil, water, tyre pressure aren't essential to driving, but are components of car maintanence, so it makes sense to have that as part of a lesson.

    Ah, so you want to kill dogs. And small children.

    WTF? How can you guess the objects of my hatred from the content of a driving lesson?

    (I'm not saying your're wrong, just interested in how you did it... )

    @boomzilla said:

    Eh, I guess it was standard extrapolation on my part of the modern totalitarian nanny state.

    Laws are really only there when we don't trust people to observe good practise so we feel the need to enforce it.

    However, I'd watch your zinc count from now on...



  • @Cassidy said:

    @boomzilla said:
    @Cassidy said:
    @boomzilla said:
    Do they also need to make sure you can use both electric and manual windows?

    No, but solely because you can drive a car for some period of time without having to drop the window. Learning things about oil, water, tyre pressure aren't essential to driving, but are components of car maintanence, so it makes sense to have that as part of a lesson.

    Ah, so you want to kill dogs. And small children.

    WTF? How can you guess the objects of my hatred from the content of a driving lesson?

    (I'm not saying your're wrong, just interested in how you did it... )

    I just converted my original troll into a concern troll. Everyone knows that you just have to crack the window a bit on a summer day when you leave your dog or kid in the car.



  • @boomzilla said:

    @Cassidy said:
    @boomzilla said:
    @Cassidy said:
    @boomzilla said:
    Do they also need to make sure you can use both electric and manual windows?
    No, but solely because you can drive a car for some period of time without having to drop the window. Learning things about oil, water, tyre pressure aren't essential to driving, but are components of car maintanence, so it makes sense to have that as part of a lesson.
    Ah, so you want to kill dogs. And small children.

    WTF? How can you guess the objects of my hatred from the content of a driving lesson?

    (I'm not saying your're wrong, just interested in how you did it... )

    I just converted my original troll into a concern troll. Everyone knows that you just have to crack the window a bit on a summer day when you leave your dog or kid in the car.

    You also have to check the windows from time to time as they get thicker at the bottom as they age.



  • @TheCPUWizard said:

    Seems you can not recognize material directly pasted from http://dictionary.reference.com/
     

    ... you copypasted the word "ostentatious" from a dictionary? oh ok. Never mind. Your post was very pedantic, though!

    I squeeze my bike tires. If they give to a degree that I find unsatisfactory, then I need to pump 'em up. There is absolutely no way you can squeeze a car tire, because the pressue is higher and the tires are wider and also BECAUSE THAT WAS THE JOKE, SIR.

    There is no strict requirement to test ordinary bike tires with anything more than a squeeze, unless you're serious about cycling, have a racing- or otherwise sports-oriented bicycle, and want to shave off seconds from your personal record.

    I have a common city bike. I squeeze. Since tire pressure isn't likely to reduce my commute by minutes, it's not worth it.

    That said, I of course agree that a hard tire is best, and soft tires are a nuisance, and I try to keep it hard. I'm just not going to buy a pressure measure thingy for it.



  • @dhromed said:

    I squeeze my bike tires. If they give to a degree that I find unsatisfactory, then I need to pump 'em up. There is absolutely no way you can squeeze a car tire, because the pressue is higher and the tires are wider and also BECAUSE THAT WAS THE JOKE, SIR.

    There is no strict requirement to test ordinary bike tires with anything more than a squeeze, unless you're serious about cycling, have a racing- or otherwise sports-oriented bicycle, and want to shave off seconds from your personal record.

    I have a common city bike. I squeeze. Since tire pressure isn't likely to reduce my commute by minutes, it's not worth it.

    That said, I of course agree that a hard tire is best, and soft tires are a nuisance, and I try to keep it hard. I'm just not going to buy a pressure measure thingy for it.

     I was a long distance competitive cycler for many years. Although I no longer compete, I will occasionally participate in a "long ride" (> 100 miles). My last competitive bicycle cost more han either of my first two cars...



  • @Anketam said:

    I can see that someone could go up their entire childhood without ever being in a car when it needed to be filled up.  But to live such a sheltered life where they never saw cars pulling into a gas station, nor watched the news where people are constantly complaining about high gas prices, nor used a gas powered lawnmower, nor been in a science (or history) class that explain the concepts of the combustion engine I find impossible.  There is just too much evidence out there to deduce that cars need fuel to run.


    Yes, but how often do you need to put fuel in a car?

    Is it like rinse aid in a dishwasher, needed every few months? It's clearly not like detergent in a dishwasher, as I can drive without filling up every time. Is it like my mobile phone, where I have to fill it every day, even if I don't use it, or face it conking out on me?

    And there's all these scary lights and gauges on the dashboard, of which the only one anyone's explained to me is the big speed measuring one. If only I knew what they were trying to tell me...

    At least my current car makes it easy - when it's low on fuel, as well as illuminating the low fuel light, and bonging at me to get my attention, it also puts a little message on its display screen saying "Please refuel - 80 miles range left"



  • @esoterik said:

    Ever seen two housewives backout from oposing garages and hit each other in the street? Who's fault is that?

    Happened to me (as a passenger). Fortunately it was just a bumper hit, so we just shrughed and resumed our lifes.

    @Cassidy said:

    Both. Clearly neither were checking beforehand.

    Yeah, because both drivers were more concerned with checking if there were cars coming from the left or right, rather than from behind. (not that it mattered much, because they were in each other's blind spot).

     



  • @Zecc said:

    Yeah, because both drivers were more concerned with checking if there were cars coming from the left or right, rather than from behind. (not that it mattered much, because they were in each other's blind spot).

    Okay, so perhaps I should have written:

    @Cassidy said:

    Both. Clearly neither were checking all around them.

    I mean, fundamentally - how did they collide? Because they never saw each other.

    Why didn't they see each other? Because they were in each others' blind spots. Because they looked only in certain directions. Because they couldn't see all around and didn't have someone else standing nearby to guide them safely out. Because they relied upon radar bumpers that--

    Fuck, there are many reasons why they didn't see each other, but...

    @dhromed said:

    Oh, Cassidy, just for reference, esoterik's is an example of a sexist remark. ;)

    Oh, arse - it wasn't your question. 



  • @farnz said:

    @Anketam said:

    I can see that someone could go up their entire childhood without ever being in a car when it needed to be filled up.  But to live such a sheltered life where they never saw cars pulling into a gas station, nor watched the news where people are constantly complaining about high gas prices, nor used a gas powered lawnmower, nor been in a science (or history) class that explain the concepts of the combustion engine I find impossible.  There is just too much evidence out there to deduce that cars need fuel to run.

    Yes, but how often do you need to put fuel in a car? Is it like rinse aid in a dishwasher, needed every few months? It's clearly not like detergent in a dishwasher, as I can drive without filling up every time. Is it like my mobile phone, where I have to fill it every day, even if I don't use it, or face it conking out on me? And there's all these scary lights and gauges on the dashboard, of which the only one anyone's explained to me is the big speed measuring one. If only I knew what they were trying to tell me... At least my current car makes it easy - when it's low on fuel, as well as illuminating the low fuel light, and bonging at me to get my attention, it also puts a little message on its display screen saying "Please refuel - 80 miles range left"

    My primary point is that people should know their car needs fuel.  As far as telling how much is left, ignoring the gauge, even old cars have the Low Fuel light, which the driver should notice.  Also I just though of another way people could be aware of this, movies.  I remember multiple movies growing up where a character is driving in a car that runs out of gas and to highlight this fact they normally show the gas gauge and the needle on the E.  Don't people learn anything from watching movies?



  • @Anketam said:

    My primary point is that people should know their car needs fuel.  As far as telling how much is left, ignoring the gauge, even old cars have the Low Fuel light, which the driver should notice.  Also I just though of another way people could be aware of this, movies.  I remember multiple movies growing up where a character is driving in a car that runs out of gas and to highlight this fact they normally show the gas gauge and the needle on the E.  Don't people learn anything from watching movies?

    I'd really prefer that people not learn about cars by watching movies.  That ends up with people dying, or being paralyzed for life, because a well-meaning bystander pulls an accident victim with a broken neck out of the car in a big hurry to get them away from the imminent explosion.

     



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @TheCPUWizard said:
    HELL NO... Some bicycle tires run at pressures upwards of 70PSI, and even a 10% difference can have a measurable impact, and there is no way you are going to determine that by "squeezing". In fact for these types of tires, the only way to have a good pressure is to over-inflate and reeate through the gauge until the pressure is right (since the act of measureing the pressure using a conventional gauge will let out sufficient air that the tire is now underinflated.
    You know what's awesome? Pedeantic dickweed posts! This thread needed more of those, thanks CPUWizard for being a complete tool.

    WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?  Why do you accept underinflated tires?  Insert blakeyrant about GUIs here, changing words as appropriate WHY DOES NOBODY CARE ABOUT QUALITY?



  • @Mason Wheeler said:

    well-meaning bystander pulls an accident victim with a broken neck out of the car in a big hurry to get them away from the imminent explosion.

    I think you linked to the wrong page on that site. You should have linked to the douche who is about to ruin TNMT.



  • @db2 said:

    The car is conveniently parked only 50 feet away from the air compressor, quick charger, gas pump, and oil pump.
     

    "Oil pump"?

    I don't know about whatever third-world place you come from, but here in the You Ess of Ay oil for cars comes in plastic bottles that we atavistically call "cans".

    (As for the air compressor, I assume you're also going to supply the test subject with a pocketful of quarters.)


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