But it wasn't there last night!



  • @da Doctah said:

    I don't know about whatever third-world place you come from, but here in the You Ess of Ay oil for cars comes in plastic bottles that we atavistically call "cans".

    I've never heard "cans"; they're usually called quarts.



  • @da Doctah said:

    (As for the air compressor, I assume you're also going to supply the test subject with a pocketful of quarters.)

    Tire places will usually give you free air if you ask nice and they have a nozzle free.



  • @da Doctah said:

    @db2 said:

    The car is conveniently parked only 50 feet away from the air compressor, quick charger, gas pump, and oil pump.
     

    "Oil pump"?

    I don't know about whatever third-world place you come from, but here in the You Ess of Ay oil for cars comes in plastic bottles that we atavistically call "cans".

    (As for the air compressor, I assume you're also going to supply the test subject with a pocketful of quarters.)

    I don't know if you've ever gotten a full-service oil change before, but they tend to dispense the oil via pump at all the places I've been to. And I don't see any coin slot on the air compressor out in my garage.



  • @TheCPUWizard said:

    My last competitive bicycle cost more han either of my first two cars...
     

    That I can believe.



  • @Zecc said:

    Happened to me
     

    But... you're not a housewife...?

    @Zecc said:

    (as a passenger)

    ohhhhh ok

     

     



  • @OzPeter said:

    You should have linked to the douche who is about to ruin TNMT.
     

    Seriously?  He's going to do the next installment of TMNT?

    Really now.  I have to ask . . . what's there to ruin?



  • @nonpartisan said:

    @OzPeter said:

    You should have linked to the douche who is about to ruin TNMT.
     

    Seriously?  He's going to do the next installment of TMNT?

    Really now.  I have to ask . . . what's there to ruin?

    Well the Turtles become "Aliens" to start with. This caused a major outburst from fans, including one of the original voice actors who said that Bay was anally raping their memories. Bay responded to the outcry with "Chill" and "Relax". And you ask "Whats their to ruin"?? I'd say that Bay hasn't yet plumbed the depths of ruin.



  • @OzPeter said:

    Bay hasn't yet plumbed the depths of ruin.
     

    Why the fuck would ruins need running tap water?



  • @db2 said:

    And I don't see any coin slot on the air compressor out in my garage.

    There's none on the air compressors at petrol stations around here either. I usually pump my bike there, as it's faster than starting the compressor in the garage (and less noisy).



  • @Weng said:

    In other words, New Joisey is an even bigger automotive backwater hellhole than most people realize.


    FTFY.



  • @Zecc said:

    @esoterik said:
    Ever seen two housewives backout from oposing garages and hit each other in the street? Who's fault is that?
    Happened to me (as a passenger). Fortunately it was just a bumper hit, so we just shrughed and resumed our lifes.
     

    This is why I always reverse into my carport, so that leaving in the morning (when more likely to be time-critical) I can just drive out. But then there's no neighbours directly opposite my house so I wouldn't have that problem. (Nearby neighbours kids on the other hand, are up for grabs: their mother lets them play on the road)

    However a twice I've run up the bum of the car in front of me: both times at a "Give Way" sign and the car in front inexplicably stopped dead when I was looking at the oncoming traffic. It seems some people will give way to people kilometres away! I'm now careful when in that situation.

    @Justice said:

    How long ago was leaded phased out in the UK?

    In Australia it was 1986 that new leaded cars were banned, but the fuel was still sold for some time. My family had a 1986 Toyota Corona - the last model sold outside Japan but the first with unleaded. Some tiny towns didn't sell unleaded fuel back then! My first and third cars used leaded (1982 Ford Laser and 1980 Ford Cortina) that I got in 1998 and 2004 respectively - LRP ("Leaded Replacement Petrol") was available for a few years, before I had to buy the supplement separately. But I got a much newer car recently so I don't have that issue.

    I heard a rumour that real leaded fuel was still available in the USA? Maybe they were just working on outdated information.

     



  • @Zemm said:

    I heard a rumour that real leaded fuel was still available in the USA? Maybe they were just working on outdated information.

    It was available for special use (e.g. race cars) until recently. And it's still used in aviation gasoline in almost every country.

    I've never seen leaded gasoline. It's been gone from the US for a long time.



  • @Zemm said:

    owever a twice I've run up the bum of the car in front of me: both times at a "Give Way" sign and the car in front inexplicably stopped dead when I was looking at the oncoming traffic.
     

    Our office looks out onto a busy intersection and every couple of months we hear and see this happen... the car behind reckons they can both get through on amber but the one in front bottles* it.

     * Colloquialism alert
    noun (Slang; Brit) nerve; courage (esp in the phrase lose one's bottle)



  • @Zemm said:

    In Australia it was 1986 that new leaded cars were banned, but the fuel was still sold for some time. My family had a 1986 Toyota Corona - the last model sold outside Japan but the first with unleaded. Some tiny towns didn't sell unleaded fuel back then! My first and third cars used leaded (1982 Ford Laser and 1980 Ford Cortina) that I got in 1998 and 2004 respectively - LRP ("Leaded Replacement Petrol") was available for a few years, before I had to buy the supplement separately. But I got a much newer car recently so I don't have that issue.

    Not that it matters now, but "leaded" engines only need to run a few years on leaded gas. After that, you can switch them to unleaded and they run fine-- my dad's '65 Chevy S-10 has the original engine, and runs great on unleaded.



  • @pjt33 said:

    There are a few basics which really should be taught as part of driving instruction but, at least in the UK, aren't. At a minimum, filling up with petrol, checking oil levels, and changing a wheel.

    In South Australia, once you pass your driving test, the driving instructor has a list of things that she\he has to explain to you before they can let you go with your piece of paper which you trade in along with a sum of money for a Probationary License.

    The last thing on the list is "Petrol (how and where), Oil (check the levels), Water (radiator and washers), Electrics (signals and brake lights) and Rubber (legal tread)". There was some other stuff ont he list as well but it was all stuff I'd been taught already. The entire rundown through the list took maybe five minutes. Besides, most of it (to me) is common sense anyway: most cars will complain and kick up a fuss if they're running out of fuel\oil\water anyhow.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Not that it matters now, but "leaded" engines only need to run a few years on leaded gas. After that, you can switch them to unleaded and they run fine-- my dad's '65 Chevy S-10 has the original engine, and runs great on unleaded.
     

    I think it would depend on the engine, wouldn't it? Like that some engines do and others do not like E10 fuel. Though a lot of stations are now removing E10 and bringing back U95.



  • @Douglasac said:

    The last thing on the list is "Petrol (how and where), Oil (check the levels), Water (radiator and washers), Electrics (signals and brake lights) and Rubber (legal tread)".
     

    Is that POWERful instruction?



  • @Zemm said:

    I think it would depend on the engine, wouldn't it?

    Possibly? But I wager the vast, vast majority of engines designed for leaded gas can run unleaded fine, presuming they get enough time with leaded gas for the lead to coat all the necessary parts.

    @Zemm said:

    Like that some engines do and others do not like E10 fuel.

    I've never heard of a unleaded engine that doesn't like E10. Even that Chevy designed for leaded 1960s gas runs fine on E10. I've heard "horror stories" about problems, but never actually seen an actual case of problems.



  • E10 runs a bit leaner than traditional gasoline (stoichiometric A/F ratio of E10 is 14:1 as opposed to 14.7:1 for gasoline). In a vehicle without an oxygen sensor based feedback system, the engine won't compensate. So, if an old car is already running on the lean side, E10 certainly could make it worse. The few sources that address this issue don't recommend using over 5% ethanol with carbureted engines without adjusting the mixture.

    Fuel injection doesn't completely address the problem. For example, most brand-new motorcycles don't have closed-loop exhaust gas oxygen monitoring ECUs, so they come from the factory tuned for one type of fuel. More or less ethanol will cause a mixture problem.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Not that it matters now, but "leaded" engines only need to run a few years on leaded gas. After that, you can switch them to unleaded and they run fine-- my dad's '65 Chevy S-10 has the original engine, and runs great on unleaded.

    I was told that too but it seems the frequency of adding leaded is dependent upon the engine size.

    Many engines over in USA tand to be larger-capacity and more tolerant of wear and tear; in the UK most engines are 1.3 -2 litre so not as resistent to timing and lubrication issue.

    I used to drive a leaded 1.6 Rover, thus:

    When leaded fuel came in, a mechanic gave me 3 options:

    • run on LRP (which would result in a power reduction and faster engine deterioration)
    • use unleaded but periodically top up with leaded (1 in every 5 tankfulls)
    • modify it to run on unleaded

    The last option wasn't a large job, surprisingly - it had been carried out on many classic MG cars and simply involved some work done on the head, a different inline fuel filter and a change in timings, but I'd have to follow option 2 for some time prior to (and post) the operation. For some of the older Rovers with soggy great 2.2L or 3.2V6 engines, the ratio was 1 in every 10-20 tankfuls or so.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    I've never heard of a unleaded engine that doesn't like E10
     

    There is a list here. My quick scan of it suggests "European" type cars have more problems than "American" type cars. (Note "Holden" is pretty much "General Motors".)

    Though one American execption I see are the pre-1992 F-series. My neighbour has two F-trucks from the 1960s but he has had them modified to run on gas. (I mean real gas: LPG. What do you call gas when it is not gasoline?)



  • @Zemm said:

    (I mean real gas: LPG. What do you call gas when it is not gasoline?)

    We call it LPG, too, or just propane.



  • @Zemm said:

    (I mean real gas: LPG. What do you call gas when it is not gasoline?)

    They're both gases - both petroleum-based. It's just their state that differs.

    I couldn't understand how cars over the pond ran on "gas" yet ours ran on "petrol" (we ran our cookers on "gas") until it was explained to me that it's not the liquid that powers it, it's the vapours (the gas) that come off it, and the "natural gas" powering our ovens and producing tasty roast dinners (with decent veg, naturally) was no different in concept... just different additives and different state.



  • @Douglasac said:

    In South Australia, once you pass your driving test, the driving instructor has a list of things that she\he has to explain to you before they can let you go with your piece of paper which you trade in along with a sum of money for a Probationary License. The last thing on the list is "Petrol (how and where), Oil (check the levels), Water (radiator and washers), Electrics (signals and brake lights) and Rubber (legal tread)". There was some other stuff ont he list as well but it was all stuff I'd been taught already.

    The legal tread, because it's a matter of laws relating to driving, is covered in the UK's theory test. The rest you're left to work out for yourself.

    What happened to me once I'd passed my driving test is that my instructor drove me back to the centre of town, steering with his knees while he wrote his phone number down because he was planning on leaving the driving school he was with and going solo, and hoped I'd pass his number on to friends who wanted to learn.



  • @pjt33 said:

    What happened to me once I'd passed my driving test is that my instructor drove me back to the centre of town, steering with his knees while he wrote his phone number down because he was planning on leaving the driving school he was with and going solo, and hoped I'd pass his number on to friends who wanted to learn.

     

    He fancied you so he took the opportunity to give you his phone number under the guise of some weak excuse while dazzling you with his l33t driving skills.

     



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @Zemm said:
    (I mean real gas: LPG. What do you call gas when it is not gasoline?)

    We call it LPG, too, or just propane.

    Yeah, although LPG powered cars are pretty rare. Forklifts are common. For cars and buses, natural gas is more common in the US (which is the type of "gas" that would be used for cooking, etc, unless you have your own propane tank). Though natural gas is mainly used in fleet vehicles, since that's the only place you can justify building the fueling infrastructure.



  • @boomzilla said:

    since that's the only place you can justify building the fueling infrastructure.
     

    I didn't know! That's why all buses here run on gas.

    Excep for these really old models that stink up the place, spewing a smoky goop that approaches the consistency of pea soup while they're idling at the stop. I don't know why they're still used.



  • @boomzilla said:

    Though natural gas is mainly used in fleet vehicles, since that's the only place you can justify building the fueling infrastructure.

    I don't see why. Its just another nozzle at the pump.



  • @OzPeter said:

    @boomzilla said:
    Though natural gas is mainly used in fleet vehicles, since that's the only place you can justify building the fueling infrastructure.
    I don't see why. Its just another nozzle at the pump.

    It is more than just a nozzle at the pump.  It is the same reason why not all stations carry diesel (supply and demand).



  • @Anketam said:

    It is the same reason why not all stations carry diesel (supply and demand).

    Every station I can think of carries diesel, along with U91 and U98. After LRP disappeared U95 was common, then E10 replaced it, but many stations have removed E10 in favour of U95 again (E10 was 2-3c/L cheaper than U91 but you loose more than the difference in loss of efficiency, so the only reason to use it is for environmental reasons). I guess the demand here is for diesel. :) Most stations also have LPG, at approximately half the "per litre" price of unleaded. LPG is better at being compressed compared to natural gas, which is why bottled gas tends to be LPG (though many busses do run on natural, AFAIK not available to the general public). I don't have natural (piped) gas in my street so my cooking/cleaning/heating devices are electric, except my barbecue. I would like to get a gas cooktop when I eventually renovate the kitchen. My hot water system is electric-assisted solar.



  • I refuse to believe you could just run out of fuel without knowing it regarding even a base model 1-litre old model Suzuki Swift will beep and blink a petrol pump symbol until you fill it or take the keys out.

    Also, I've been to places without the overflow sensor in the past five years.

    And yeah, it's very common in the UK to get your license and then not bother driving, ever again. Good luck getting a job or a drink without one.



  • @nexekho said:

    And yeah, it's very common in the UK to get your license and then not bother driving, ever again. Good luck getting a job or a drink without one.

    What? I didn't think a driving licence was a pre-requisite for employment or liquid consumption.



  • @Cassidy said:

    What? I didn't think a driving licence was a pre-requisite for employment or liquid consumption.


    Given the choice of two potential employees one with a licence one without a recruiter/HR/etc. will always go for the one with even if you don't drive because it at least leans towards showing that you're not a complete moron (see page one on book smartvs. world smart) which say a university certification probably doesn't.
    It's also one of the more common ways of obtaining proof of age. I think the drinking age is 21 in the US while it's younger here (don't actually know, don't drink)
    These two factors are interlinked because so many people get a license just to have practical proof of age that if there's any competition at ALL in your job market good chance someone in your competition will have a license.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Cassidy said:

    @nexekho said:

    And yeah, it's very common in the UK to get your license and then not bother driving, ever again. Good luck getting a job or a drink without one.

    What? I didn't think a driving licence was a pre-requisite for employment[...]

    It's common in the boilerplate contracts. I got it struck out of my last job's contract.



  • @PJH said:

    @Cassidy said:

    @nexekho said:

    And yeah, it's very common in the UK to get your license and then not bother driving, ever again. Good luck getting a job or a drink without one.

    What? I didn't think a driving licence was a pre-requisite for employment[...]

    It's common in the boilerplate contracts. I got it struck out of my last job's contract.

    WTF? I find it amusing that the US, which is a much more car-oriented society than the UK, has nothing like this.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    WTF? I find it amusing that the US, which is a much more car-oriented society than the UK, has nothing like this.

    I didn't think it was common in many contracts - not unless the job featured driving as part of expected duties[1].  I know it can look a plus point on a CV ("resume") but when I'm interviewing I tend to look at skills and experience before the "additional details" that features a clean driving licence. YMMV.

    As to the drinking thing - again, it's not a pre-requisite. Since featuring a photo, the UK driving licence has recently doubled as an ID card of sorts, showing proof of age, but that doesn't necessarily mean I need to pass a driving test to drink.[2]

     

    [1] A friend who went for a travelling sales job still
    only had a provisional licence. He announced to them that he could
    already sell and they could teach him to drive - a preferable option
    than teaching a driver to sell. He got the job, and they paid for the
    remainder of his lessons and test.

    As to my own experiences: only one previous job (plus current) required driving. Current job and one other prior job require travelling, and they're not too bothered by what means you used.

    [2] My friends passed their tests long before I did.. which meant I was the one that got ferried around parties by them. For that time period, not having a licence pretty much guaranteed I was the only one out of the party that could drink!



  • @nexekho said:

    so many people get a license just to have practical proof of age

    That bit I agree with. We're a nation that's opposed to having a national identity card yet carry around so many other forms of ID.

    Admittedly, the opposition is more to do with control of information and data protection - a record of which our gubment and associated suppliers speak not too proudly of - but the principle itself is sound and should go some way to consolidating records from other public sectors.



  • @galgorah said:

    tapped the neighbors phone line and made oversees calls.
     

    Glad to see I'm not the only one. They were resodding their side yard and I figured "Hey.. I bet I could sneak wire under it for an intercom with <friend>". When they moved, the new people were assholes about my mini-bike, so I hooked it to their nearby POTS line and dialed some Irish betting parlor's information line and let it go for nine hours. 

     



  • @Cassidy said:

    I didn't think it was common in many contracts - not unless the job featured driving as part of expected duties[1].  I know it can look a plus point on a CV ("resume") but when I'm interviewing I tend to look at skills and experience before the "additional details" that features a clean driving licence. YMMV.

    Obviously, if the job includes driving, it's a requirement. Otherwise, I've never heard of anyone even thinking about whether you can drive or not. I'm sure it's assumed that you can. Though I could see it being different in NYC.

    @Cassidy said:

    As to the drinking thing - again, it's not a pre-requisite. Since featuring a photo, the UK driving licence has recently doubled as an ID card of sorts, showing proof of age, but that doesn't necessarily mean I need to pass a driving test to drink.

    Most states (actually, I suspect it's all of them, but who knows) will also provide a photo ID card that's simply ID. They used to be for nominal fees (like, $10) but the trend now is even to make them free in concert with requiring ID to vote.



  • @boomzilla said:

    @Cassidy said:
    I didn't think it was common in many contracts - not unless the job featured driving as part of expected duties[1].  I know it can look a plus point on a CV ("resume") but when I'm interviewing I tend to look at skills and experience before the "additional details" that features a clean driving licence. YMMV.

    Obviously, if the job includes driving, it's a requirement. Otherwise, I've never heard of anyone even thinking about whether you can drive or not. I'm sure it's assumed that you can. Though I could see it being different in NYC.

    Right, the only time I've been asked whether I could drive was when working a job which required infrequent trips to the datacenter.

    @boomzilla said:

    @Cassidy said:
    As to the drinking thing - again, it's not a pre-requisite. Since featuring a photo, the UK driving licence has recently doubled as an ID card of sorts, showing proof of age, but that doesn't necessarily mean I need to pass a driving test to drink.

    Most states (actually, I suspect it's all of them, but who knows) will also provide a photo ID card that's simply ID. They used to be for nominal fees (like, $10) but the trend now is even to make them free in concert with requiring ID to vote.

    How many states actually require an ID to vote? I thought it was very rare. A state ID makes a nice backup ID. I usually carry 3 valid picture IDs: license, state ID and concealed carry license.



  • @Zemm said:

    (though many busses do run on natural, AFAIK not available to the general public)

    Depends on what state you're in.

    In Queensland and WA, they only buy Compressed Natural Gas buses now. In SA they bought a few of them over several years but stopped (I think the main reason was that they needed O-Bahn buses badly because the ones that were designed for it were approaching the age limit, and that the CNG ones couldn't hit 100km\h easily enough so they had to start buying diesel ones again. So they bought craptastic Scanias). No idea on other states.

    I know they trialled one LPG bus in SA many years ago but I believe it was a failure because I have only seen one photo of it and it was from when it first started.



  • @Douglasac said:

    O-Bahn
     

    I remember learning about that in university, as part of my Engineering studies. The character in the OP might drive on it ("I was just following the bus, I didn't see the signs!") like a certain "Ford Laser driver" as described in a case study.

    @Douglasac said:

    In Queensland and WA, they only buy Compressed Natural Gas buses now.

    I'm in Queensland, which is where I was basing my "many busses" comments. I thought I saw some in Sydney when I was there a few years ago, but I could be tripping. It was my honeymoon so I wasn't really paying attention to the public transport situation! :)



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    How many states actually require an ID to vote? I thought it was very rare. A state ID makes a nice backup ID. I usually carry 3 valid picture IDs: license, state ID and concealed carry license.

    Only nine states currently require photo ID (although two are still pending approval by the Justice Department), but it's becoming more common. A majority of states have some sort of ID requirement, either some non-photo ID (like a voter registration card) or answer personal questions or whatever.

    The thing you have to remember is that identifying yourself when you vote is raaaaacist. But it's For the Children when you have to identify yourself to buy cold medicine.



  • @Zemm said:

    I remember learning about that in university, as part of my Engineering studies. The character in the OP might drive on it ("I was just following the bus, I didn't see the signs!") like a certain "Ford Laser driver" as described in a case study.


    That's the typical excuse given by people who get trapped by the rising bollards in Cambridge (UK) too.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @PJH said:
    Dunno about New Jersey, but Britain does indeed have petrol pumps.

    New Jersey has a law banning self-service gas stations; all pumps are full-service. Oregon has the same law, I believe.

    @PJH said:

    Petrol's averaging about $8.71 per (US) gallon over here at the moment - calculated from £1.45/l, ~62.9p of which is fuel cost (~$3.78/gallon), 57.95p fuel duty, and ~24.15p VAT@20%.

    Your non-tax price is about the same as our price with taxes. I never realized how insane the gas tax rates were in England; I just assumed gas was expensive because you didn't have many refineries. Then again, your country is very tiny so you don't have nearly the fuel needs we do.


    We win!

    Our gas prices, 1.781 Euro per liter. With is £1.488



  • @boomzilla said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    How many states actually require an ID to vote? I thought it was very rare. A state ID makes a nice backup ID. I usually carry 3 valid picture IDs: license, state ID and concealed carry license.
    Only nine states currently require photo ID (although two are still pending approval by the Justice Department), but it's becoming more common. A majority of states have some sort of ID requirement, either some non-photo ID (like a voter registration card) or answer personal questions or whatever.

    The thing you have to remember is that identifying yourself when you vote is raaaaacist. But it's For the Children when you have to identify yourself to buy cold medicine.

    Similar to that asking for ID for a credit card is considered racism. Which it is important to note that in the case of Mastercard and Visa companies cannot require you to show ID (unless of course it is required for some other reason like cold medicine).



  • @Anketam said:

    Similar to that asking for ID for a credit card is considered racism. Which it is important to note that in the case of Mastercard and Visa companies cannot require you to show ID (unless of course it is required for some other reason like cold medicine).

    That's misleading.

    They can't require you to present ID, but they can require you to present ID as a condition of using the card. Most merchants don't give a shit.

    So it's the same way you can opt-out of TSA screening-- you're welcome to opt-out, but you can't enter the terminal if you do.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    A state ID makes a nice backup ID. I usually carry 3 valid picture IDs: license, state ID and concealed carry license.

    Interesting. In my state, you can't possess a driver's license and an identification card at the same time. Getting an identification card will in fact invalidate a driver's license if you have one.

    So I'm applying for a passport as it appears that's the only way I can have backup ID everyone will accept.

     



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @Anketam said:
    Similar to that asking for ID for a credit card is considered racism. Which it is important to note that in the case of Mastercard and Visa companies cannot require you to show ID (unless of course it is required for some other reason like cold medicine).
    That's misleading.

    They can't require you to present ID, but they can require you to present ID as a condition of using the card. Most merchants don't give a shit.

    So it's the same way you can opt-out of TSA screening-- you're welcome to opt-out, but you can't enter the terminal if you do.

    I would direct you to: http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/Alert-FS15.htm

    Mastercard even has a link that you can report: "The merchant/retailer required identification." or some other kind of violation like charing you to use the card.  You are indeed correct that most merchants dont care, hence why some people can consider it racism when they are asked.



  • I think you guys are missing a lot of the point ... the person(s) in question here aren't failing because they don't know how to fill a tank ... they actually don't realize that they may need to.


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