While walking through the office...



  • The other day I mentioned that one of our db servers fried out. That particular box was old so they just replaced it with a new machine - speedier, more ram, and a brand spanking new IP address.

    Personally, I hate when they don't simply use the IP of the machine it's replacing because all the URLs, links and scripts break, but whatever.

    Then one of the DBAs is attempting to get onto the machine to configure the database. It seems he can't log in.

    Long story short, he was using the old IP address instead of the new IP address that had been emailed to everyone.

    Rather than just change his secure shell entry to use the new IP address, he was arguing with the help desk guy to change the IP of the machine.

    wow

    The problem is between the chair and the keyboard

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    Another developer, ten years into his career as a Java developer, couldn't diagnose a problem, so I showed him what he was doing wrong, and told him to just rebuild the jar file. We happen to use "ant", and there's a simple build.xml with a sensible default target in every project directory, so all he had to do was:

     

    cd directoryOfInterest
    ant

    He asked me to do it for him. I inquired as to how he managed to get along for seven months (the time he's been here) without having to have to do a build, but decided that I didn't really want to know the answer.

    The problem is between the chair and the keyboard

     -------------

     



  • @snoofle said:

    Personally, I hate when they don't simply use the IP of the machine it's replacing because all the URLs, links and scripts break, but whatever.

    Rather than just change his secure shell entry to use the new IP address, he was arguing with the help desk guy to change the IP of the machine.

    wow

    The problem is between the chair and the keyboard

    So you agree with him yet think the problem is him?

    I kind of understand that he was looking for a bigger solution to a simple problem but still.



  • @DeLos said:

    So you agree with him yet think the problem is him?

    I kind of understand that he was looking for a bigger solution to a simple problem but still.

     

    I agree that it was stupid of the SAs to assign a new IP address, but given that it was done, you can make a futile argument with someone who is powerless to do anything about it (the help desk person), or you can just accept it, work around it, and move on



  • @DeLos said:

    So you agree with him yet think the problem is him?

    I kind of understand that he was looking for a bigger solution to a simple problem but still.

    I can agree that the policy is dumb, as well, but a db administrator should be able to plug a different IP into their scripts/programs without having to make a fuss about it. I think that's the point. People get really stuck to their ip addresses and shortcuts for some reason. IMHO, if they change the ipaddr, IT should update the DNS so anything referring to [server] by name would still work.



  • Why wouldn't he use the server name? Did it also change? What's the point in using naked IPs?



  • @alegr said:

    Why wouldn't he use the server name? Did it also change? What's the point in using naked IPs?

    Personally, I try never to use a raw IP in favor of the server NAME. Unfortunately, around here, NOBODY uses server names - they won't even tell us what they are, and even if you manage to get on and run hostname to get it, the names are intermittently resolved via dns. It's stupid, but when in Rome...



  • @snoofle said:

    @alegr said:

    Why wouldn't he use the server name? Did it also change? What's the point in using naked IPs?

    Personally, I try never to use a raw IP in favor of the server NAME. Unfortunately, around here, NOBODY uses server names - they won't even tell us what they are, and even if you manage to get on and run hostname to get it, the names are intermittently resolved via dns. It's stupid, but when in Rome...
     

    Wow.  TRWTF.  Is the intermittency because they use host files?  We have a major system where they still use host files, despite being on a modern OS and us having multiple redundant DNS servers. Yes, they insist on it, saying this is how it has to be.



  • @DeLos said:

    @snoofle said:

    Personally, I hate when they don't simply use the IP of the machine it's replacing because all the URLs, links and scripts break, but whatever.

    Rather than just change his secure shell entry to use the new IP address, he was arguing with the help desk guy to change the IP of the machine.

    wow

    The problem is between the chair and the keyboard

    So you agree with him yet think the problem is him?

    I kind of understand that he was looking for a bigger solution to a simple problem but still.

    Changing the address when replacing the machine would be dumb. Changing it a second time while the new machine is still up and running would be even dumber. Arguing with the help desk guy about it is dumber still.



  • @lolwtf said:

    Changing it a second time while the new machine is still up and running would be even dumber.
    I'm sure it would just be a simple revert-to-a-previous-revision in your version control system to get the scripts pointing to the old IP back...

     



  • Last week I moved house. But there's a problem. The address of my new home is no longer 14 Acacia Avenue. I don't know what to do - I keep going back to 14 Acacia Avenue but my key doesn't fit the door. Some silly person suggest I go to this new place called, what is it, scuse me while I look it up, oh yeah, 78 Consular Grove. But that's no use, my address is 14 Acacia Avenue. What I need is for someone to move my new house from wherever it is (that place I said earlier) but everyone says I should just go to that place instead. Bah.

    ED: quoting the entire OP makes btk sad.  -btk



  • @QJo said:

    Last week I moved house. But there's a problem. The address of my new home is no longer 14 Acacia Avenue. I don't know what to do - I keep going back to 14 Acacia Avenue but my key doesn't fit the door. Some silly person suggest I go to this new place called, what is it, scuse me while I look it up, oh yeah, 78 Consular Grove. But that's no use, my address is 14 Acacia Avenue. What I need is for someone to move my new house from wherever it is (that place I said earlier) but everyone says I should just go to that place instead. Bah.

    But you kept your same phone number, right? Or at least, people can still say, QJo's house and still refer to the place where you live?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @boomzilla said:

    @QJo said:
    Last week I moved house. But there's a problem. The address of my new home is no longer 14 Acacia Avenue. I don't know what to do - I keep going back to 14 Acacia Avenue but my key doesn't fit the door. Some silly person suggest I go to this new place called, what is it, scuse me while I look it up, oh yeah, 78 Consular Grove. But that's no use, my address is 14 Acacia Avenue. What I need is for someone to move my new house from wherever it is (that place I said earlier) but everyone says I should just go to that place instead. Bah.
    But you kept your same phone number, right?
    Before, or after, you got a new phone number at your new place in the interim not expecting it to change, handed it out to people, then got your old phone number back?



    Car analogies suck.



  • One day, when I came home from work, I accidentally put my car key in the door of my apartment building. I turned it and the whole building started up. So I drove it around. A policeman stopped me for going too fast. He said, "Where do you live?" I said, "Right here."



  • @PJH said:

    Before, or after, you got a new phone number at your new place in the interim not expecting it to change, handed it out to people, then got your old phone number back?

    Car analogies suck.

    Our telco recently decided to allocate a selection of my work's 80 or so phone numbers to new residential customers, therefore some of our customers ended up ringing up people who had nothing to do with us (and we know of at least one customer giving his personal details to one of these strangers). And yes, some of the poor schmucks who ended up with our numbers had already let their 300 mates know their number meaning they had to do it all again when we got them back.



    Needless to say, our compensation claim is ongoing...



  • @frits said:

    One day, when I came home from work, I accidentally put my car key in the door of my apartment building. I turned it and the whole building started up. So I drove it around. A policeman stopped me for going too fast. He said, "Where do you live?" I said, "Right here." No quack.


    FTFY


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