Wow, this is a textbook awful UI



  • The Slavery Footpring.org Survey is about the worst website UI I've seen in... years and years. And years. This is actually closer to cracking a Chinese puzzle box than it is to taking a survey.

    It took me almost a full minute to figure out how to enter my age (no, you can't just type it, don't be so naive), another few minutes to figure out how to indicate I own a car, and now I'm totally stuck on this screen:

    I guess you're supposed to adjust the percentages on the plates until it represents your diet? Or... something? I'd love to see their dropoff rates.

    It reminds me of this ancient Penny-Arcade comic, except the fictional landing page in the strip is probably easier to navigate than this survey.



  • At least you cannot have kids over 16. And no more then 2 cars, and only a single scooter or motorcycle.

    That was one horrible interface, but I do have 97 slaves! But I could not choose any sex slaves :(



  •  28 slaves. Take that, you wasteful, greedy, gluttonous dicks!

    In your defense, no car and no kids helps a ton, I guess.

     



  • @blakeyrat said:

    It took me almost a full minute to figure out how to enter my age (no, you can't just type it, don't be so naive),

     They must have updated this. It's still horrible, but both myself and my 6 year old were able to figure it out in a few seconds.

     Overall, I give it a score of I didn't finish it because I got too annoyed out of 10.



  • Bonus Points!

    They get additional points for wanting to track your current location by IP. WTF is that about?



  • @dhromed said:

     28 slaves. Take that, you wasteful, greedy, gluttonous dicks!

    In your defense, no car and no kids helps a ton, I guess.

     

    Woo hoo! 70! Of course, that was for my family of 4.



  • I didn't find it that difficult, but very annoying to use.

    I have 36 slaves "working for me" but I'm not sure what that means. The slaves who made my shoes aren't working for me any more, are they?

    If 36 is the number of slaves that have ever worked for me, then it seems too low.



    Also, there was no field to enter the number of slaves I actually keep at my house.



  • I didn't find it too bad but I obviously went in forewarned. I can see that it would reduce the number of completions as people tired of trying to figure it out. Like Blakey I'd be interested in seeing their dropoff rates.



  • TRWTF is how they define "slavery":

    @Slavery Survey said:

    How do we define Slavery? (Forced Labor):

    Anyone who is forced to work without pay, being economically exploited, and is unable to walk away. Note: Forced Labor, also known as involuntary servitude, may result when unscrupulous employers exploit workers made more vulnerable by high rates of unemployment, poverty, crime, discrimination, corruption, political conflict, or cultural acceptance of the practice.

    OK, the "forced to work without pay" part certainly seems correct (and some of the other stuff). But "economic exploitation" due to "high unemployment" is crazy talk.



  • "What about sporting goods" Exactly, what about them? What the hell are they asking you to do there?

    The food thing is annoying too. After you adjust your top percentage and move on to the second one, it automatically adjusts the one you just entered. So it takes about, well... infinity tries to get where you want or something.

    Oh, and apparently me owning a bunch of socks has heavily contributed to my total of 30 slav. It somehow figured out i own a blueray player as well (i don't)



  • Bonus points for calling Southeast Asia a country.



    1. Most of them making my electronics. Probably some of them getting oil for our 2 cars.


      It helps that we don't own children or makeup, I guess. Keeps those children from having to mine mica.


      Also helps, probably, that we don't eat fish. Because we live in Colorado, and the Platte River couldn't even drown Kenny. And the fact my other half is allergic to shellfish might be a consideration as well.

  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @pjt33 said:

    Bonus points for calling Southeast Asia a country.
    China gets snotty if you mention them by name in any sort of negative context.

     

    This is clearly a squishy fondleslab UI, by the way. Not meant for us superior lifeforms capable of operating a keyboard and mouse.



  • @pjt33 said:

    Bonus points for calling Southeast Asia a country.

    At least they didn't call it "geocoding error 1":



  • @Gazzonyx said:

    They get additional points for wanting to track your current location by IP. WTF is that about?

    I told Chrome not to give it my location and got an alert("Permission Denied"); and now the site won't let me do anything. Wow.



  • I had the same thing.

    "This site wants to know your location"

    "Sod off"

    "........................."

    (begins gently dribbling at corner of mouth)



  •  I got to the same page as Blakey but it was broken on my netbook (Firefox 3.6.23)

     



  • I never thought that Click Drag Type was acutally a design class.



  • @cdosrun said:

    @blakeyrat said:
    It took me almost a full minute to figure out how to enter my age (no, you can't just type it, don't be so naive),
    They must have updated this. It's still horrible, but both myself and my 6 year old were able to figure it out in a few seconds.
    You are making the assumption that blakey has the intelligence of (at least) a 6-year-old. That still remains to be proven.

    But seriously(?), maybe that UI is actually easier to use for a 6-year-old, because it looks like something made by Fisher-Price?

     



  • @Weng said:

    This is clearly a squishy fondleslab UI, by the way. Not meant for us superior lifeforms capable of operating a keyboard and mouse.

     

    Yup...

     

    This site was designed to be viewed on standard desktops, laptops and tablets only.

    This browser is not supported, please revisit the survey using the latest version of Chrome.

    I'm on a desktop with IE 7.. (work machine) OK it's old, but I wouldn't quite call it nonstandard yet.



  • @dhromed said:

     28 slaves. Take that, you wasteful, greedy, gluttonous dicks!

    In your defense, no car and no kids helps a ton, I guess.

     

    In my defence, I clicked random options. Like 2 kids I don't have, and 2 cars. I also gave in my location as "Bla" which is in Africa apparently.



  • @Daid said:

    I also gave in my location as "Bla" which is in Africa apparently.
     

    snort



  • @boomzilla said:

    TRWTF is how they define "slavery":

    @Slavery Survey said:

    How do we define Slavery? (Forced Labor):

    Anyone who is forced to work without pay, being economically exploited, and is unable to walk away. Note: Forced Labor, also known as involuntary servitude, may result when unscrupulous employers exploit workers made more vulnerable by high rates of unemployment, poverty, crime, discrimination, corruption, political conflict, or cultural acceptance of the practice.

    OK, the "forced to work without pay" part certainly seems correct (and some of the other stuff). But "economic exploitation" due to "high unemployment" is crazy talk.

    Not necessarily.  Remember that owning actual slaves was not free; you still had to feed them, house them, and otherwise pay for their upkeep.  When an employer is able to provide a salary close enough to exactly matching the cost of living that it makes it economically infeasable for the employee to quit, the resulting balance of power in their relationship is not easily distinguishable from slavery.

    And historically, some American companies have taken it a lot further than that, particularly mining companies.  Look up the concept of "company scrip" and mining towns sometime to see just how ugly it could get...

     



  • @Mason Wheeler said:

    @boomzilla said:

    TRWTF is how they define "slavery":

    @Slavery Survey said:

    How do we define Slavery? (Forced Labor):

    Anyone who is forced to work without pay, being economically exploited, and is unable to walk away. Note: Forced Labor, also known as involuntary servitude, may result when unscrupulous employers exploit workers made more vulnerable by high rates of unemployment, poverty, crime, discrimination, corruption, political conflict, or cultural acceptance of the practice.

    OK, the "forced to work without pay" part certainly seems correct (and some of the other stuff). But "economic exploitation" due to "high unemployment" is crazy talk.

    Not necessarily.  Remember that owning actual slaves was not free; you still had to feed them, house them, and otherwise pay for their upkeep.  When an employer is able to provide a salary close enough to exactly matching the cost of living that it makes it economically infeasable for the employee to quit, the resulting balance of power in their relationship is not easily distinguishable from slavery.

    And historically, some American companies have taken it a lot further than that, particularly mining companies.  Look up the concept of "company scrip" and mining towns sometime to see just how ugly it could get...

     

    You load 16 tons and whaddaya get?

    another day older and deeper in dept

    Saint Peter don'tcha call me 'Cause-

    I can't go...I owe my soul to the Company Store




    Like that?



    If you doubt people are being exploited in this day and age, look up the plight of migrant workers in the US. My granddad worked for the Department of Labor and examined living and working conditions, interviewed farmers and workers, etc. He took me for a ride-along once, and those are some of the most miserable living and working conditions I've seen. And I went to one of the better farms he investigated.




    I'm not sure what the point of the site is. Probably more white guilt, send money to our cause, we help people out of being poor (which never works). Also, if you want my attention, don't make me have to figure out your weird ass-UI. Next on the side of the window, pointing down? whisky tango foxtrot?



  • @Mason Wheeler said:

    @boomzilla said:
    OK, the "forced to work without pay" part certainly seems correct

    Not necessarily.  Remember that owning actual slaves was not free; you still had to feed them, house them, and otherwise pay for their upkeep.  When an employer is able to provide a salary close enough to exactly matching the cost of living that it makes it economically infeasable for the employee to quit, the resulting balance of power in their relationship is not easily distinguishable from slavery.

    And historically, some American companies have taken it a lot further than that, particularly mining companies.  Look up the concept of "company scrip" and mining towns sometime to see just how ugly it could get...

    Yes, you've described stuff that sucks. But it's not slavery. Of course, "Jobs That Suck Footprint" isn't as catchy. Or maybe you just imagined that I said that working without pay was necessary and sufficient.



  • I think there's some sort of hierarchy to movements. Sort of like Lazlo's hierarchy of needs. At the bottom level is people screaming at their TVs. Above that is organized protests that nobody seems to understand. Above that is putting together an incomprehensible web page that actually tries to raise awareness of the problem. Obviously, that's where these people are at. Eventually, if they do things right, they'll move on to comprehensible communication, and possibly even on to actually helping the problem a little. I hope it works out for them.



  • @dcardani said:

    I think there's some sort of hierarchy to movements. Sort of like Lazlo's hierarchy of needs. At the bottom level is people screaming at their TVs. Above that is organized protests that nobody seems to understand. Above that is putting together an incomprehensible web page that actually tries to raise awareness of the problem. Obviously, that's where these people are at. Eventually, if they do things right, they'll move on to comprehensible communication, and possibly even on to actually helping the problem a little. I hope it works out for them.
     

    Uh, Maslow's hierarchy of needs, or is there another one?



  • He was very clearly referring to OpenLaszlo programming language.



  • @Mason Wheeler said:

    Not necessarily.  Remember that owning actual slaves was not free; you still had to feed them, house them, and otherwise pay for their upkeep.
     

    You also had to fence them in like cattle, work them for 18 hours a day / 7 days a week, and if they didn't do what you say, they either got flogged, shot, or otherwise maimed with the help of the county sheriff. Plus, any escaped slaves were treated like a stray dog.



  • @RHuckster said:

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    Not necessarily.  Remember that owning actual slaves was not free; you still had to feed them, house them, and otherwise pay for their upkeep.
     

    You also had to fence them in like cattle, work them for 18 hours a day / 7 days a week, and if they didn't do what you say, they either got flogged, shot, or otherwise maimed with the help of the county sheriff. Plus, any escaped slaves were treated like a stray dog.

    Man! Slavery was hard work!



  • Wow, that's bad. The whole thing could be replaced with a dialog box full of standard WinForms controls. And it's not as if their GUI looks good... it just looks weird to me.



    Also, I got JavaScript-style error messages. They seem to be based on "alert()". So even with all of that work, they couldn't get the parts that actually matter right.



    Why do they need to "track my location" using browser features AND ask me my location? One of the other should suffice.



    When I switch between "Rent" and "Own", why do the bathrooms and bedrooms disappear? (And yet the cars I've selected remain in place!)



    Beyond all of this, I really find the concept of this website offensive. How does the fact that I own baseball equipment make me a slaveowner? Are there slaves in Louisville?



    Anyone who has read my other posts knows I'm pretty far left in my politics, but even I can see that there are real problems in the world that are well more important than the fact that slavery might have been involved in the construction of my tennis racket. I have no sympathy for capitalists... but I have even less sympathy for people who want to make all of us in the (marginally) developed world into the problem. All of us - slaves, serfs, or employees - are just trying to survive. I just don't respond to petty attempts to provoke white guilt.



    And am I not just a slave myself (by their apparently loose definition)? Sure, I get a "401-K and a breakroom", but I have absolutely zero guarantee of security beyond my ability to keep my employers happy.

    EDIT: I have 100 slaves!!! (So why in the hell do I wake up and go to work every morning?)



  • @Weng said:

    @pjt33 said:

    Bonus points for calling Southeast Asia a country.
    China gets snotty if you mention them by name in any sort of negative context.

     

    This is clearly a squishy fondleslab UI, by the way. Not meant for us superior lifeforms capable of operating a keyboard and mouse.

    Ha! It's funny how these people wither into boot-licking fellow travelers in the face of the Chinese communists, but they're more than willing to insult me for owning too many golf clubs!



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @RHuckster said:

    @Mason Wheeler said:

    Not necessarily.  Remember that owning actual slaves was not free; you still had to feed them, house them, and otherwise pay for their upkeep.
     

    You also had to fence them in like cattle, work them for 18 hours a day / 7 days a week, and if they didn't do what you say, they either got flogged, shot, or otherwise maimed with the help of the county sheriff. Plus, any escaped slaves were treated like a stray dog.

    Man! Slavery was hard work!

    Yes it was. And here's a question for you: when the "terrible swift" hand of Uncle Sam came down and freed the slaves in Dixie, did their owners receive any compensation? NO!



    Even Hugo Chavez and Robert Mugabe at least try and make a show of paying for the resources they "nationalize." Shouldn't old "Honest Abe" have done the same? Keep in mind that slavery in Dixie was legal from circa 1700 up until succession. People who bought slaves were making a business investment that they considered rational, with the full support of the federal government. The way the US government unilaterally changed the rules without giving any form of compensation really stinks, and wouldn't pass muster anywhere else but in a morally bankrupt hellhole like the USA.




  • Winners don't pay the losers in war. Abe only freeded the slaves in confederate terrorrty under Union control in 1863.

    the acutal freeing of slaves didn't happen till after Abe was in the ground.



  • @bridget99 said:

    Yes it was. And here's a question for you: when the "terrible swift" hand of Uncle Sam came down and freed the slaves in Dixie, did their owners receive any compensation? NO!

    Oh it gets worse! You know who brought the anti-slavery movement worldwide? The British. You know when? 1807. The very time during which they were our blood enemies-- only 5 years later they brutally attacked the United States in the war of 1812 and burned down the White House!

    This website has opened my eyes: I'm really turning the corner on this whole slavery thing!



  • @zipfruder said:

    Winners don't pay the losers in war.




    Americans do (e.g. the Marshall Plan), apparently unless the 'losers' are their neighbors.



    @zipfruder said:
    Abe only freeded the slaves in confederate terrorrty under Union control in 1863.




    That's not exactly true, at least not in a de jure sense. The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves in "all areas currently under rebellion," i.e. throughout the Deep South, and did so without any regard for whether their owners had been loyal to the USA, and without regard for any sort of legislative process.



    @zipfruder said:
    the acutal freeing of slaves didn't happen till after Abe was in the ground.




    They were free, for the most part, before Abe was shot. Afterwards, a constitutional amendment was passed to lend some semblance of legal credibility to what had already been 'proclaimed' by Lincoln.



    Incidentally, there's nothing in US law that allows the President to "proclaim" legislation, even during wartime.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    This website has opened my eyes: I'm really turning the corner on this whole slavery thing!




    Yeah, I know. I was to the political left of Pol Pot until I went to that site... now I'm starting to wonder if leftist politics are just a bunch of crap. Good job, guys, I'm sure that's exactly what you were trying to accomplish.



    Now I'm going to browse on over to the Rick Perry for Prez-uh-dent website and TRY to regain my socialist smugness. But I'm not optimistic.



  • @heterodox said:

    Sort of like Lazlo's hierarchy of needs.




    Lazlo's hierarcy of needs:


    1. Slaves

    2. More slaves

    3. Did we mention slaves?

    4. Golf clubs and fish, apparently


  • @blakeyrat said:

    @RHuckster said:
    You also had to fence them in like cattle, work them for 18 hours a day / 7 days a week, and if they didn't do what you say, they either got flogged, shot, or otherwise maimed with the help of the county sheriff. Plus, any escaped slaves were treated like a stray dog.
    Man! Slavery was hard work!
    So all you have to do is to hire more slaves to drive your other slaves - problem solved!



  • @Anonymouse said:

    @blakeyrat said:
    @RHuckster said:
    You also had to fence them in like cattle, work them for 18 hours a day / 7 days a week, and if they didn't do what you say, they either got flogged, shot, or otherwise maimed with the help of the county sheriff. Plus, any escaped slaves were treated like a stray dog.
    Man! Slavery was hard work!
    So all you have to do is to hire more slaves to drive your other slaves - problem solved!

    :( That's what my fiancee and I tried to do with our pets to keep them occupied and happy while we're at work. It doesn't work. :(



  • I was thinking about getting an old dog to watch/walk a puppy for me. Any chance that'll work?



  •  @bridget99 said:

    I have 100 slaves!!!

    90, but I really think the number's largely made up.  I did the family of 4, but I couldn't make the house big enough.  Doesn't matter - We have too many socks, apparently.  Socks and cars.  At least the cars I can believe, but socks?  Come on.. 



  • @heterodox said:

    Sort of like Lazlo's hierarchy of needs.




    FTFY:



    Lazlo's hierarchy of needs:


    1. A hidden room leading through a closet
    2. Robots to fill out Frito-Lay sweepstakes entry forms
    3. An RV, tons of prizes and a genius groupie


  • +1 for the Real Genius reference.


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