Those Bear - Hating Germans





  • @richleick said:

    This came across my desk this morning.  WTF

    http://epicontheweb.blogspot.com/2006/06/yogi-not-welcomed-in-germany.html



    The real WTF is your post. Bruno aka JJ1, as this bear was called, was dangerous. It has already killed several sheeps and it seems it had some fun killing them (some were just killed, but not eaten). Normally, brown bears are shy and avoid humans. Bruno wasn't. Germans (and Austrians too, since Bruno walked around between Tyrol and Bavaria) tried to catch it alive, but failed to. As a last resort, it was decided that the bear is too dangerous to be let alive.



  • @ammoQ said:

    @richleick said:
    This came across my desk this morning.  WTF

    http://epicontheweb.blogspot.com/2006/06/yogi-not-welcomed-in-germany.html



    The real WTF is your post. Bruno aka JJ1, as this bear was called, was dangerous. It has already killed several sheeps and it seems it had some fun killing them (some were just killed, but not eaten). Normally, brown bears are shy and avoid humans. Bruno wasn't. Germans (and Austrians too, since Bruno walked around between Tyrol and Bavaria) tried to catch it alive, but failed to. As a last resort, it was decided that the bear is too dangerous to be let alive.


    One bear in the entire area and they can't catch it?  To quote Ozzie Guillen
    phhhhhh, PLEASE!



  • @ammoQ said:



    The real WTF is your post. Bruno aka JJ1, as this bear was called, was dangerous. It has already killed several sheeps and it seems it had some fun killing them (some were just killed, but not eaten).


    They really knew it was dangerous when they saw the necklace of sheep ears it wore.



  • @richleick said:


    One bear in the entire area and they can't catch it?  To quote Ozzie Guillen
    phhhhhh, PLEASE!


    No, they couldn't. For some weeks, specially trained dogs from Finland were chasing the bear, but to no avail.



  • where do you live that your equivalent of the department of the interior wouldn't kill a problem bear? 



  • @R.Flowers said:

    They really knew it was dangerous when they saw the necklace of sheep ears it wore.


    hee hee hee.


    sigh

    [i]We can put a man on the moon...[/i]



  • The real WTF is that you have surrounded the hyphen with spaces. I assume you wanted to contract "bear" and "hating" into "bear-hating" but what you've done is to turn "hating germans" into a subclause. Also, why the capitalisation? I thought programmers generally were better at syntax.



  • @tster said:

    where do you live that your equivalent of the department of the interior wouldn't kill a problem bear? 


    They supposedly tried to capture it alive and yet, literally within hours of opening it up to the hunters, they were able to track it down and kill it.

    Am I an animal rights activist?  No.  I can't even stand P.E.T.A.  But nobody (humans that is) was harmed.  Sure they needed to get rid of the bear, but I think hunting it down and killing it was a bit extreme.  Come on, IT WAS THE ONLY BEAR IN THE AREA.  You can't convince me they couldn't have taken him alive and transported him.



  • You know, neither the blog post nor the Post article are very objective, and don't seem to let both sides speak equally.

    I don't think I can direct any indignation or outrage towards either cause.



  • i am a german and i followed the stories.

    it is true that there were several attempts to catch bruno alive. but they were all non sucessful. But i agree that it is rather fishy that they are able to shoot him with real bullets in a few hours but were not able to use tranquilizer rounds in all that time.

    Ok i dont know who exactly shot him but if it was a local hunter it might just be that the short period of time amounts to the huge increase of eyes (and guns looking for him). It DOES make a difference if you have one guy searching the whole area for the bear with a tranquilizer gun or if all local hunters are looking for a killshot.

    but dunno. fact is bear is dead and you can't bring him back to life. So its time to get over it.

    just my 0.02 euro

    fengor

    PS: excuse the bad english. i'm not a native speaker ;p



  • @ammoQ said:


    It has already killed several sheeps




    Don't you mean "shipe"?




  • @cconroy said:

    @ammoQ said:

    It has already killed several sheeps




    Don't you mean "shipe"?




    No, I was caught by the irregular plural of sheep. So:

    It has already killed several sheep.

    Anyway, if you think it was wrong to kill the bear, know that you are not alone: a lot of people in Germany and Austria (the involved countries) think that, too. They even did an autopsy to the bear to examine what killed it (two bullets injuring the lung and other organs, actually).



  • Speaking of grammar, the title is actually quite funny in an unintended way: "Those Bear - Hating Germans" would be read as "Those bear: hating Germans", that is, there are some bears (I assume the plural 's' was omitted by accident) and they hate Germans, which is very logical, though anthropomorphic, in context.



  • I didn't follow the discussion that much, but I think it was easier to shoot him than to tranquilise him, because "tranquiliser-guns" have a shorter range where you can use them (because there is no bullet but an arrow, which is also much slower)
    But I might be wrong there.

    Anyway, I heard he came from northern Italy.
    Am I the only one who was actually surprised that there still are bears in Italy? I thought you'd have to drive to Russia or so to see some..



  • @ammoQ said:

    @richleick said:
    This came across my desk this morning.  WTF

    http://epicontheweb.blogspot.com/2006/06/yogi-not-welcomed-in-germany.html



    The real WTF is your post. Bruno aka JJ1, as this bear was called, was dangerous. It has already killed several sheeps and it seems it had some fun killing them (some were just killed, but not eaten). Normally, brown bears are shy and avoid humans. Bruno wasn't. Germans (and Austrians too, since Bruno walked around between Tyrol and Bavaria) tried to catch it alive, but failed to. As a last resort, it was decided that the bear is too dangerous to be let alive.


    First they came for the bears and I did nothing because I was not a bear...

    sincerely,
    Richard Nixon




  • @ammoQ said:

    @cconroy said:
    @ammoQ said:


    It has already killed several sheeps


    Don't you mean "shipe"?






    No, I was caught by the irregular plural of sheep. So:



    It has already killed several sheep.




    Ah, I was just busting you in a lame attempt to reference the "mice/meese" debate on another thread. 



    @Mikademus said:
    Speaking of grammar, the title is actually
    quite funny in an unintended way: "Those Bear - Hating Germans" would
    be read as "Those bear: hating Germans", that is, there are some bears
    (I assume the plural 's' was omitted by accident) and they hate
    Germans, which is very logical, though anthropomorphic, in context.




    If "deer" is both singular and plural, it's not much of a stretch to
    think "bear" could be as well.  So that's almost a reasonable
    reading.  And don't get me started on "fish/fishes" (plural
    "fishes", this I know, 'coz the Bible tells me so)...






  • @cconroy said:

    @ammoQ said:
    @cconroy said:
    @ammoQ said:

    It has already killed several sheeps


    Don't you mean "shipe"?



    No, I was caught by the irregular plural of sheep. So:

    It has already killed several sheep.


    Ah, I was just busting you in a lame attempt to reference the "mice/meese" debate on another thread. 

    @Mikademus said:
    Speaking of grammar, the title is actually quite funny in an unintended way: "Those Bear - Hating Germans" would be read as "Those bear: hating Germans", that is, there are some bears (I assume the plural 's' was omitted by accident) and they hate Germans, which is very logical, though anthropomorphic, in context.


    If "deer" is both singular and plural, it's not much of a stretch to think "bear" could be as well.  So that's almost a reasonable reading.  And don't get me started on "fish/fishes" (plural "fishes", this I know, 'coz the Bible tells me so)...


    "Deese"?



  • @TDC said:


    Anyway, I heard he came from northern Italy.
    Am I the only one who was actually surprised that there still are bears in Italy? I thought you'd have to drive to Russia or so to see some..


    Well, northern Italy (South Tyrol) is a mountainous region, and I think it's quite possible that bears live there and wander through Austria (Tyrol) to southern Germany (Bavaria) and back. AFIAIK, a few bears still live in the Oetscher region in Austria (~500 km east of the region where Bruno lived and died); but since they are clever enough to avoid what is bad for them (i.e. humans), they are not in danger. Every now and then, they might e.g. damage a bee hive; but we have so called "bear advocates" that settle the claims.



  • @ammoQ said:

    Bruno aka JJ1, as this bear was called, was dangerous. It has already killed several sheeps

    Oh? What was he supposed to feed on, grass blades? I doubt there are many animals left in the
    Bavarian forests.
    @ammoQ said:
    and it seems it had some fun killing them (some were just killed, but not eaten).

    All predators do that from time to time. I think it's called "blood craze" in English. That's not unusual and doesn't make a bear/wolf/you name it more dangerous than the norm.

    TDC: you don't have to drive all the way to Russia to see a wild bear. You can stop in Romania. If you dare 😃



  • @felix said:

    @ammoQ said:
    Bruno aka JJ1, as this bear was called, was dangerous. It has already killed several sheeps

    Oh? What was he supposed to feed on, grass blades? I doubt there are many animals left in the
    Bavarian forests.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_bear

    They are omnivores and feed on a variety of plant parts, including berries, roots, and sprouts; fungi; and fish, insects, and small mammals. Contrary to popular mythology, Brown Bears are not particularly carnivorous; they derive up to three-quarters of their dietary food energy from vegetable matter.

    @ammoQ said:
    and it seems it had some fun killing them (some were just killed, but not eaten).

    All predators do that from time to time. I think it's called "blood craze" in English. That's not unusual and doesn't make a bear/wolf/you name it more dangerous than the norm.

    The other bears that live in Austria don't do that.



  • @felix said:

    [Oh? What was he supposed to feed on, grass blades? I doubt there are many animals left in the
    Bavarian forests.

    No?  They even have bears there!  (Well, one bear, anyway.)  (Well, not anymore.)



  • @ammoQ said:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_bear

    They are omnivores and feed on a variety of plant parts, including berries, roots, and sprouts; fungi; and fish, insects, and small mammals. Contrary to popular mythology, Brown Bears are not particularly carnivorous; they derive up to three-quarters of their dietary food energy from vegetable matter.

    So I've learned in school. Many real-world bears seem to disagree.
    @ammoQ said:
    and it seems it had some fun killing them (some were just killed, but not eaten).

    All predators do that from time to time. I think it's called "blood craze" in English. That's not unusual and doesn't make a bear/wolf/you name it more dangerous than the norm.

    The other bears that live in Austria don't do that.

    Really? What a civilised country. Even bears are considerate over there 😛



  • @TDC said:

    Anyway, I heard he came from northern Italy.




    The real WTF is that the bear wasn't stopped at passport control!



    (someone had to say it)



  • @RayS said:

    @TDC said:
    Anyway, I heard he came from northern Italy.


    The real WTF is that the bear wasn't stopped at passport control!

    (someone had to say it)

     

    the bloody EU has ***ked up all that now...b***ards



  • @Juifeng said:

    The real WTF is that those hunter guys now get emails from people who want to kill them.

    Maybe the real WTF was that they probably sent an e-mail message to the bear telling him to give himself up or else be shot, and then they shot him without even stopping to ask him whether that e-mail message had ever been delivered in the first place?



  • @RayS said:

    @TDC said:
    Anyway, I heard he came from northern Italy.




    The real WTF is that the bear wasn't stopped at passport control!



    (someone had to say it)


    There are no more passport controls between Italy, Austria and Germany (and several, but not all other EU countries).



  • Schengen Agreement, if anyone cares.



  • @Phil the ruler of heck said:

    @Juifeng said:

    The real WTF is that those hunter guys now get emails from people who want to kill them.

    Maybe the real WTF was that they probably sent an e-mail message to the bear telling him to give himself up or else be shot, and then they shot him without even stopping to ask him whether that e-mail message had ever been delivered in the first place?


    I'm assuming (reasonably so) that the bear uses some verson of MS Outlook, so why didn't they just tick the "request read receipt" box? This whole mess could have been avoided!

    As for the removal of any passport checks, you learn something every day. I guess I've just been avoiding those ones. Still, they should reinstate it and clamp down! No wonder we're getting so many lousy illegal immigrants here if they let just anyone wander all across Europe. Reading this story, I'm just surprised that we haven't had a few bears, too.


  • @TDC said:

    I didn't follow the discussion that much, but I think it was easier to shoot him than to tranquilise him, because "tranquiliser-guns" have a shorter range where you can use them (because there is no bullet but an arrow, which is also much slower)
    But I might be wrong there.


    No you are right about the range stuff and all, but the bear was reportedly sighted clse to humans without attacking them. So where would have been the problem? In my oppinion you shouldnt be a hunter if you are too afraid of animals.

    I'm not saying that a bear can't be frightening, but either i'm sure in what i am doing or i don't do it. Too much fear fogs themind and accidents are bound to happen then sooner or later.




  • That's exactly what I thought. The ink wasn't even dry on the Schießbefehl yet, when the triggerhappy hunters shot him.



  • @gambl3r said:

    That's exactly what I thought. The ink wasn't even dry on the Schießbefehl yet, when the triggerhappy hunters shot him.


    In fact, the "Schießbefehl" was not even in effect when the bear was shot, so it might have been illegal.


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