Mozilla Have Lost Their Mind - Revenge of the Sith
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@dhromed said:
I could splice tags from the Most Used boxes....
But there's no reasonable condition to check for tag fitness. :\
What about this:
- Extract all words from current thread page. Edit: or maybe only the post -.-
- Divide each word's frequency by average frequency, i.e. with a list from here.
- Sort words by this rated frequency.
- Rate the tags by summing the contained words' rated frequencies.
- Include highest rated tags.
Sure, due to the first point it will work less well if the thread has just started a new page, but other than that... Somehow, I now want to do that.
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@Zecc said:
Also, when the aerial reception gets interference (no, I don't have cable and I'm not particularly interested anyway), it drops a rather large number of frames and/or stays stuck in an image with those nice artifacts recognisable as decoding errors.
FWIW, I have cable, and this happens all of the time. I don't know if it's the box, or the service itself. It did happen at my townhome before I moved. However, I got a new box at the new home, so it's still a toss up. Either way, I agree with you about how annoying it is. Btw, the Scientific Atlantic HD DVR receiver takes [literally] over ten minutes to boot up (i.e., unplug it and plug it back in, because pressing the power button only puts it into standby mode). Now THAT is TRWTF.
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@derula said:
@dhromed said:
I could splice tags from the Most Used boxes....
But there's no reasonable condition to check for tag fitness. :\
What about this:
- Extract all words from current thread page. Edit: or maybe only the post -.-
- Divide each word's frequency by average frequency, i.e. with a list from here.
- Sort words by this rated frequency.
- Rate the tags by summing the contained words' rated frequencies.
- Include highest rated tags.
Sure, due to the first point it will work less well if the thread has just started a new page, but other than that... Somehow, I now want to do that.Did that! It's pretty awesome. In this example, it figured out my post is about tags.
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Wait until the tags are cleared next, so we can start on even footing!
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@blakeyrat said:
Wait until the tags are cleared next, so we can start on even footing!
When the tags are cleared, my script has nothing to work with... it still only selects from tags that have been used before. So yeah, pedantic dickweed will probably win.
(Although I just had to write pedantic dickweed a second time to make it reach the top ten.)
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I don't know who sneaked that switch-to-RTL unicode command into the tags... but... thank you.
This particular set of results made me laugh.Alex, don't you even dare purging the tags ;)
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@Zecc said:
My gripe is against software developers being "clever" with the UI, breaking basic functionality, and then releasing their not-fully-tested changes to the wild without warning.
@Zecc said:PS: Also, nautilus removed the button for toggling the address bar between text mode and breadcumb/button mode. Why the hell do people hide stuff that works?
What makes all of this so irritating is that the web browser is a solved problem. Firefox was a perfectly fine browser at version 2.0. Since then the only concerns should have been (a) Fix bugs (b) Fix security problems (c) Improve performance (4) Add support for things like HTML5 as it becomes necessary.Unfortunately, that would be BORING and so we have to make constant changes to the UI. And if it means that users now have to install an extension to do something that used to be built in to the browser, who gives a fuck, right?
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@bannedfromcoding said:
I don't know who sneaked that switch-to-RTL unicode command into the tags...
Haven't you been watching the tag clouds lately? They looked really amusing at times.
Also I get the impression that the word "tags" has a really low position in the word frequency list I stole from Wiktionary.
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@derula said:
Also I get the impression that the word "tags" has a really low position in the word frequency list I stole from Wiktionary.
Obviously you need to crawl the forums and create a frequency list from it.
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@El_Heffe said:
What makes all of this so irritating is that the web browser is a solved problem. Firefox was a perfectly fine browser at version 2.0. Since then the only concerns should have been (a) Fix bugs (b) Fix security problems (c) Improve performance (4) Add support for things like HTML5 as it becomes necessary.
Unfortunately, that would be BORING and so we have to make constant changes to the UI. And if it means that users now have to install an extension to do something that used to be built in to the browser, who gives a fuck, right?
This.
For example, once upon a time, navigation buttons were built-in. I have absolutely no idea why this AWESOME feature was removed. Oh and by the way, Firefox 6 broke the add-on. Again. Sigh.
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@derula said:
When the tags are cleared, my script has nothing to work with...
Well, you can always add the most "important" tags manually...
I'm curious if the tag input field has a maximum size.
Edit: Apparently yes:
Not that it would stop CS from adding the post, though.Oops something went wrong!
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@blakeyrat said:
@derula said:
Also I get the impression that the word "tags" has a really low position in the word frequency list I stole from Wiktionary.
Obviously you need to crawl the forums and create a frequency list from it.
But it I did that, it would flag "dickweed" as a really common word and wouldn't like to put it in the tags so much!
What I could do however is improve the fallback heuristics I use when a word isn't in the list. At the moment, it ranks shorter words as less common. That's probably stupid.
Seriously, I have the words "fallback" and "heuristics" in the post and it still has only tags about tags!
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@fatbull said:
For example, once upon a time, navigation buttons were built-in. I have absolutely no idea why this AWESOME feature was removed. Oh and by the way, Firefox 6 broke the add-on. Again. Sigh.
While I don't remember these navigation buttons ever being built-in, I remember something similar but towards alternate stylesheets. It was one of those things that was nice to know it had but that I never used. Sites that bother to have different stylesheets implement their own switching through Javascript, anyway. As they do for text sizes, which is built-in and I don't think is going away.Having said that, sometimes while browsing comics or Google results I do wish my browser had those navigation buttons, or better yet mouse gestures, for quickly changing between pages. But the need isn't so pressing that I can be bothered to install an add-on just for that.
And +1 on what El_Heffe said.
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@Zecc said:
While I don't remember these navigation buttons ever being built-in,
Opera used to do it. Firefox, AFAIK, never did.
I don't know if the feature is still there in Opera.
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@dhromed said:
@Zecc said:
While I don't remember these navigation buttons ever being built-in,
Opera used to do it. Firefox, AFAIK, never did.
I don't know if the feature is still there in Opera.
I can't speak for the rest, but Firefox sure as shit used to have an "Up" button available. I used it all the fucking time. (It wasn't on the toolbar by default, but it shipped with the product.)
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Must have missed it. I've been a user since the Phoenix days.
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@blakeyrat said:
but Firefox sure as shit used to have an "Up" button available. I used it all the fucking time. (It wasn't on the toolbar by default, but it shipped with the product.)
I don't remember it, but it is a function available to mouse gestures so the feature is still there. (Used that in Opera all the time)
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@blakeyrat said:
I can't speak for the rest, but Firefox sure as shit used to have an "Up" button available. I used it all the fucking time. (It wasn't on the toolbar by default, but it shipped with the product.)
I don't remember the "Up" button. Where did you go when you went "up"?
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@El_Heffe said:
Where did you go when you went "up"?
The <LINK> tag could/can be used to define a page's position in a document hierarchy.
So Up would link to the parent document.
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@serguey123 said:
@El_Heffe said:
Where did you go when you went "up"?
Atmosphere? Either that or South America
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@dhromed said:
@El_Heffe said:
Where did you go when you went "up"?
The <LINK> tag could/can be used to define a page's position in a document hierarchy.
So Up would link to the parent document.
I was hoping it worked like windows explorer and truncated the path at the last seperator until you reach the root. That would have been very "useful".
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@frits said:
I was hoping it worked like windows explorer and truncated the path at the last seperator until you reach the root. That would have been very "useful".
Yes it did, and yes it was extremely useful when navigating our QA site. (On the actual web, I'm guessing it's not very useful at all...)
I used to have an add-in that brought it back, but it "isn't compatible" (natch) with FF 5+.
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@frits said:
I was hoping it worked like windows explorer and truncated the path at the last seperator until you reach the root. That would have been very "useful".
That's what Konqueror does, and it is useful from time to time. I remember I once installed an extension for FF to provide such a utility, but that was many version numbers ago.
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@Zecc said:
While I don't remember these navigation buttons ever being built-in
Now that you say it ... I am 100% certain this feature was part of Mozilla Suite, but I can't remember if it was ever part of Firefox. If it wasn't, I probably immediately installed an addon when I switched and thus never missed it.@Zecc said:
I remember something similar but towards alternate stylesheets
Menu: View->Page Style?
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@blakeyrat said:
(On the actual web, I'm guessing it's not very useful at all...)
Lots of documentation and general informational non-wiki-style websites that would benefit from this approach.
It's kind of how the web was intended to be, instead of the most epic of inner-platforms the word has ever seen that it is now.
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@frits said:
@dhromed said:
@El_Heffe said:
Where did you go when you went "up"?
The <LINK> tag could/can be used to define a page's position in a document hierarchy.
So Up would link to the parent document.
I was hoping it worked like windows explorer and truncated the path at the last seperator until you reach the root. That would have been very "useful".
The addon I mentioned does exactly that if there is no link saying otherwise. And if you're already at the root level, it cuts off subdomains. Very useful indeed.
The Next/Prev buttons work similarly, i.e., if there is no link with rel=next, it guesses by looking for a link labeled "next" or by "adding" 1 to the URL. Does the Right Thing™ 95% of the time.
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@dhromed said:
@blakeyrat said:
(On the actual web, I'm guessing it's not very useful at all...)
Lots of documentation and general informational non-wiki-style websites that would benefit from this approach.
It's kind of how the web was intended to be, instead of the most epic of inner-platforms the word has ever seen that it is now.
That's what I like about the CMS I made for myself (and use on www.uglyhorst.de): it's built on this more directory-based approach without even using a database. It's just URL "=" path of source file on server.
(Admittedly, the "up" button is the only one that would work... how do the others even work? I always wondered that since I first saw them in Opera, and couldn't find it anywhere.)
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@derula said:
That's what I like about the CMS I made for myself (and use on www.uglyhorst.de): it's built on this more directory-based approach without even using a database. It's just URL "=" path of source file on server.
Tell me more about ugly whores.de
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@blakeyrat said:
@derula said:
ME TOOThat's what I like about the CMS I made for myself (and use on www.uglyhorst.de): it's built on this more directory-based approach without even using a database. It's just URL "=" path of source file on server.
Tell me more about ugly whores.de
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@El_Heffe said:
@blakeyrat said:
@derula said:
ME TOOThat's what I like about the CMS I made for myself (and use on www.uglyhorst.de): it's built on this more directory-based approach without even using a database. It's just URL "=" path of source file on server.
Tell me more about ugly whores.de
Yeah my mom wanted a homepage so I made her one.
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@El_Heffe said:
@blakeyrat said:
Tell me more about ugly whores.de
ME TOO
I'd rather hear about hot whores. I'm only here for the sluts, after all.
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[url=https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/uppity/]Uppity[/url] works with FFX6. It has single-click go up (hotkey: alt-up) and a dropdown of all "up" possibilities (hotkey: alt-down).
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@blakeyrat said:
Obviously you need to crawl the forums and create a frequency list from it.
You made me actually do it :(
Does anybody need one gigabyte worth of HTML files?
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@dhromed said:
I don't know if the feature is still there in Opera.
It is, but the buttons are hidden by default (mouse gestures work though).
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@blakeyrat said:
Yes it did, and yes it was extremely useful when navigating our QA site. (On the actual web, I'm guessing it's not very useful at all...)
I find it pretty useful. There are a few weird sites though, which have URLs like /year/month/day/article, but going "up" on some such sites gives you a 404 error - why bother having useful-looking URLs then?
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Your random tags bar is missing its bottom border (Windows, Firefox 5.0 [and wishing I was back at FF3])
Also, I'm expecting some weird tags from your reply to this post, if you choose to do so.
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@immibis said:
Your random tags bar is missing its bottom border (Windows, Firefox 5.0 [and wishing I was back at FF3])
Pics or didn't happen. This is what I see (Linux, Firefox 5.0):
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@immibis said:
Your random tags bar is missing its bottom border (Windows, Firefox 5.0 [and wishing I was back at FF3])
unable to reproduce
=> close ticket
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@fatbull said:
I am still waiting for a browser web app. Just think about it: World-wide instant upgrades! And the popular counter-argument—that you need an internet connection to use web apps—does not even apply because you need an internet connection to browse anyway! Ha! In the future, you will only have to download Xulrunner and then you can open the Firefox browser.xul directly from the Mozilla homepage! Just think of all the kittens!
Someone please kill me.
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@derula said:
@immibis said:
Your random tags bar is missing its bottom border (Windows, Firefox 5.0 [and wishing I was back at FF3])
Pics or didn't happen. This is what I see (Linux, Firefox 5.0):
Did you change it? It works for me now too... Also, does it ignore text in <div style="display:none">?
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@immibis said:
Did you change it?
Nope.
@immibis said:
It works for me now too...
I wouldn't be surprised if it randomly doesn't. Feel free to look at the HTML code. It's horrible.
However, it's pretty much impossible for me to even control the bottom border, because it's the border of a different table element (row/cell) outside of the signature's reach. So no idea why that would randomly disappear. Now if it was the bottom border of the post above the box, that sounds much more likely, 'cause that's a hack..@immibis said:
Also, does it ignore text in <div style="display:none">?
Nope. But 1) I didn't quote your orange div and 2) apparently, no tag containing "orange" was apparently posted in this forum before.
I've improved the script a bit and what can I say, I guess in the sidebar forum the tag "orange" was used some time. Anyway, the script only chooses from tags that have been used before, and before the improvement, it was limited to tags used in the same forum or something. Now it keeps track (hey, I don't even have to worry about someone deleting the tags any more - it's all in localStorage!).
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@dhromed said:
Just updated to 6.0. Firebug 1.8 wasn't compatible, but 1.8.1 is.
I lost CookieSafe though. I'll probably end up installing Addon Compatibility Reporter, but I'm looking forward to this.
Firefox 6 greys out the URL in the address bar, except for the domain, which is cool (despite some people thinking otherwise).
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@Zecc said:
I'll probably end up installing Addon Compatibility Reporter, but I'm looking forward to this.
I'm not impressed. With the title I thought Firefox would actually check for compatibility this time around instead of trusting hard-coded numbers. Can't they keep their API stable so addons don't become incompatible?
@Zecc said:
Firefox 6 greys out the URL in the address bar, except for the domain, which is cool
And you don't find it embarrassing that this feature, which has been in other browsers for a long time now, was the most notable change from 5 to 6?
I've been using Locationbar² with a few userstyle customizations for some time now:
I made it so it shows the slashes only on hover, and the query string only if I click in it to make it editable.
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Yeah, I've used Locationbar² before too, and I wish FF6's URI highlighting as more like L²'s, more complete.@derula said:
And you don't find it embarrassing that this feature, which has been in other browsers for a long time now, was the most notable change from 5 to 6?
As opposed to the whole world of change between 4 and 5? Not really.
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@Zecc said:
Firefox 6 greys out the URL in the address bar, except for the domain, which is cool (despite some people thinking otherwise).
Wow what an original and creative new... oh wait they stole it from IE and Chrome.
Do Firefox users even know how far behind FF is in pretty much every way right now? Or are they just coasting on the "Firefox is new and shiny" vibe from 4 years ago? When IE is kicking your ass on features... uh maybe you have a problem.
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@blakeyrat said:
Do Firefox users even know how far behind FF is in pretty much every way right now?
Reasons I use Firefox:
- I'm on Linux, so IE is out of the question (won't run a VM just to browse the Internet).
- Blocking ads in flash apps (I still don't know how this works).
- All my passwords are saved there. Import from Chrome is possible, but
- Chrome's KWallet access is horribly broken (or was last time I tried).
- Firefox' UI customizability / find-as-you-type / middle clicking to open in new tab possible everywhere.
The last point is mainly why I don't use Opera (too clustered UI / only works with entering a slash first / not possible on forward or backward buttons).
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@blakeyrat said:
@Zecc said:
Firefox 6 greys out the URL in the address bar, except for the domain, which is cool (despite some people thinking otherwise).
Wow what an original and creative new... oh wait they stole it from IE and Chrome.
Has anyone offered any sort of reason for such odd behavior?
