User Police



  • One of the hardest things to find in Brazil is a programmer who also understands English. Since most documentation for about every technology is in English, this leads to a monumental amount of WTF's.

    When I got my current job, they told me that understanding "some English" was a plus. I soon found out why... In my daily grinding and bug-hunting, I'm finding pieces of Engrish in a weekly basis.

    So last week I had to do some bug slaying in a customer's system. They gave me some credentials, but the user configuration didn't allow me to do eveything I needed. While poking aorund my profile, I found out that they had put me in a user group called "User Police"

    I spent some time wondering about what a user policeman does. Maybe it involves eating donuts in the company cantina, and every once in a while arresting someone and beating them with a clue-by-four because their actions led to an "illegal operation".

    Later I found out that the one who created the group actually meant "user policy". Seeing as the characters are too far apart for a typo, and how both words sound the same if you try to pronnounce them as if they were written in Portuguese... I'm once again wishing I could do question people about their fluency, Jules Winnfield style.



  • Speling mistake in my country happen all time. Sometime we use right speling, but wrong word.

    if naturel language is not English, what can be done?


  • @Nagesh said:

    if naturel language is not English, what can be done?
    Two in the hat. Works every time.



  • Mái gúde frêndi Renãm: sômi pípôu láique tu pretêndi (çam táimi du denzelvish) dêi ixpikzomengris. Uêndetáimecomes tushôu dêuorque, xitirépens.



  • @Nagesh said:

    if naturel language is not English, what can be done?
     

    Talk louder.

    And slower.



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  • @Nagesh said:

    Speling mistake in my country happen all time. Sometime we use right speling, but wrong word.

    if naturel language is not English, what can be done?

     

    Convince your government or minister of education or whom ever that teaching kids english in school as a second language is a good move. Perhaps even going for that extra mile and let them add a third language, like spanish, german or perhaps, considering the location of india, mandarin.

    What you yourself can do is of course learn the language on your own, and when we assume you are not a novelty account you are actually pretty much on the right path by joining an english forum and using it daily. Perhaps won't help your pronounciation, but people who don't understand your naitive written language will thank you for your better grasp of english when for some reason then need to read your code or documentation.

    On a side note. Wasn't india occupied/part-of the great british empire for a hundred odd years. I'd always imagined that grasp of the english language would be pretty common in india.

     



  • @stratos said:

    Convince your government or minister of education or whom ever that teaching kids english in school as a second language is a good move. Perhaps even going for that extra mile and let them add a third language, like spanish, german or perhaps, considering the location of india, mandarin.

    Alternatively, encourage home-grown tech industry growth so that you're the one creating the documentation and everybody else has to deal with your language.

    @stratos said:

    On a side note. Wasn't india occupied/part-of the great british empire for a hundred odd years. I'd always imagined that grasp of the english language would be pretty common in india.

    Nagesh does pretty damned good. Especially considering all the stupid pop-culture jokes and wordplay that goes on on this board.



  • @stratos said:

    Convince your government or minister of education or whom ever that teaching kids english in school as a second language is a good move.

    They already do that.

    @stratos said:

    On a side note. Wasn't india occupied/part-of the great british empire for a hundred odd years.

    About twice that, if you include the period when the East India Company was in effective control.

    @stratos said:

    I'd always imagined that grasp of the english language would be pretty common in india.

    It is.

     

    You post appears to display unstated assumptions and a lack of real knowledge about both the history of India and the current state of language usage and teaching there.



  • [quote user="Renan "C#" Sousa"]Later I found out that the one who created the group actually meant "user policy". Seeing as the characters are too far apart for a typo, and how both words sound the same if you try to pronnounce them as if they were written in Portuguese... I'm once again wishing I could do question people about their fluency, Jules Winnfield style.[/quote]

    On a side note, Police is the German word for (insurance) policy.



  •  @derula said:

    On a side note, Police is the German word for (insurance) policy.

    and it's also the same word in french...



  • "Police" is the French word for "font".

     



  •  Being fluent in a foreign language is hard. In my country (the Netherlands), knowledge of English is relatively good, it gets taught at school from the age of 10-11, we hear a lot of it on TV and the languages English and Dutch are closely related. Still I think that about 95% of the population could make a mistake like this.



  •  @SCB said:

    "Police" is the French word for "font".
    Indeed.

     So we have :

    [english >>> french]

    "police" >>> "police"

    "font" >>> "police"

    "policy" >>> "police"

    "fuck a monkey in front of Groucho Marx" >>> "police" "niquer un singe devant Groucho Marx"

    "sting" >>> "police"

     and so on...



  • @toshir0 said:

     @SCB said:

    "Police" is the French word for "font".
    Indeed.

     So we have :

    [english >>> french]

    "police" >>> "police"

    "font" >>> "police"

    "policy" >>> "police"

    "fuck a monkey in front of Groucho Marx" >>> "police" "niquer un singe devant Groucho Marx"

    "sting" >>> "police"

     and so on...

    Ils sont fous ces Français, Asterix!



  • @SCB said:

    "Police" is the French word for "font".

     

     

    Comic Sans Police?



  • @derula said:

    [quote user="Renan "C#" Sousa"]Later I found out that the one who created the group actually meant "user policy". Seeing as the characters are too far apart for a typo, and how both words sound the same if you try to pronnounce them as if they were written in Portuguese... I'm once again wishing I could do question people about their fluency, Jules Winnfield style.

    On a side note, Police is the German word for (insurance) policy.[/quote] 

    And in Turkish it's "poliçe".



  • @atipico said:

    @toshir0 said:

    "police" >>> "police"

    "fuck a monkey in front of Groucho Marx" >>> "police" "niquer un singe devant Groucho Marx"


    Ils sont fous ces Français, Asterix!
    Fuck the police >>> Niquer les flics (?)



  • @bjolling said:

    Fuck the police >>> Niquer les flics (?)

    Fuck the police >>> ACAB.

    It's an international term.



  • @stratos said:

    @Nagesh said:

    Speling mistake in my country happen all time. Sometime we use right speling, but wrong word.

    if naturel language is not English, what can be done?

     

    Convince your government or minister of education or whom ever that teaching kids english in school as a second language is a good move. Perhaps even going for that extra mile and let them add a third language, like spanish, german or perhaps, considering the location of india, mandarin.

    What you yourself can do is of course learn the language on your own, and when we assume you are not a novelty account you are actually pretty much on the right path by joining an english forum and using it daily. Perhaps won't help your pronounciation, but people who don't understand your naitive written language will thank you for your better grasp of english when for some reason then need to read your code or documentation.

    On a side note. Wasn't india occupied/part-of the great british empire for a hundred odd years. I'd always imagined that grasp of the english language would be pretty common in india.

     

    dear startos,

    as british ocupied india, they comit severel atrocities in our cities and towns. they rape many women and leave behind ofspring who nobody want. all our govt documentation is still in english. hindi is still strong, but mostly in rural population.

    also it is more than 63 years since we acrue freedom. people have more than 1 medium of learning. so my school hindi medium. lot of people go to english medium school and aquire good english speaking and writing skill if they pay attention as for me, i come from averege middle family so canot aford english medium schooling. i try to make up by reading. right now i am reading hardy boys novels writen by Franklin W Dixon. I hope to write beter in less then one year.



  •  Spoken like a true American!



  • I like this forum because it visualizes that globalization can work. There's people from totally different regions and cultures coming together, making fun of each other, making fun of themselves, and discussing IT WTFs, while at the same time respecting each other and not being racist or nationalistic at all. If the whole world were like this forum, we would truly be the species of God.

    Also, any discussion would derail after a few sentences into unrelated flamewars about things nobody really cares about.



  • @derula said:

    Also, any discussion would derail after a few generations into wars about things nobody really understands in detail.

    FTFY.



  • @derula said:

    I like this forum because it visualizes that globalization can work. There's people from totally different regions and cultures coming together, making fun of each other, making fun of themselves, and discussing IT WTFs, while at the same time respecting each other and not being racist or nationalistic at all. If the whole world were like this forum, we would truly be the species of God.

    Are we reading the same forum? Are you smoking? Can I have some?



  • @serguey123 said:

    @derula said:

    I like this forum because it visualizes that globalization can work. There's people from totally different regions and cultures coming together, making fun of each other, making fun of themselves, and discussing IT WTFs, while at the same time respecting each other and not being racist or nationalistic at all. If the whole world were like this forum, we would truly be the species of God.

    Are we reading the same forum? Are you smoking? Can I have some?

    1) I'm ok with derula on this one, except for the first sentence because i'm not sure if we use the word "globalization" in the same way.
    2) anyway, can I have some too ??!!

     



  • @Nagesh said:

    dear startos,


    as british ocupied india, they comit severel atrocities in our cities and towns. they rape many women and leave behind ofspring who nobody want. all our govt documentation is still in english. hindi is still strong, but mostly in rural population.

    also it is more than 63 years since we acrue freedom. people have more than 1 medium of learning. so my school hindi medium. lot of people go to english medium school and aquire good english speaking and writing skill if they pay attention as for me, i come from averege middle family so canot aford english medium schooling. i try to make up by reading. right now i am reading hardy boys novels writen by Franklin W Dixon. I hope to write beter in less then one year.

    We're happy and proud to have you here, Nagesh, just try to ignore the moronic racist comments (mainly on TDWTF front page, where they're a lot more common than here) about India, offshore outsourcing, a.s.o.

     



  • @toshir0 said:

    @Nagesh said:

    dear startos,


    as british ocupied india, they comit severel atrocities in our cities and towns. they rape many women and leave behind ofspring who nobody want. all our govt documentation is still in english. hindi is still strong, but mostly in rural population.

    also it is more than 63 years since we acrue freedom. people have more than 1 medium of learning. so my school hindi medium. lot of people go to english medium school and aquire good english speaking and writing skill if they pay attention as for me, i come from averege middle family so canot aford english medium schooling. i try to make up by reading. right now i am reading hardy boys novels writen by Franklin W Dixon. I hope to write beter in less then one year.

    We're happy and proud to have you here, Nagesh, just try to ignore the moronic racist comments (mainly on TDWTF front page, where they're a lot more common than here) about India, offshore outsourcing, a.s.o.

     

    Thanks t0shir0!



  • @Nagesh said:

     i try to make up by reading. right now i am reading hardy boys novels writen by Franklin W Dixon. I hope to write beter in less then one year.

     

     

    Bravo! Look out for Chet; he's husky...

     



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @stratos said:
    Convince your government or minister of education or whom ever that teaching kids english in school as a second language is a good move. Perhaps even going for that extra mile and let them add a third language, like spanish, german or perhaps, considering the location of india, mandarin.

    Alternatively, encourage home-grown tech industry growth so that you're the one creating the documentation and everybody else has to deal with your language.

     

    Germany tried that, but brits and yanks didn't want to read the german siemens manuals.  Then i think they started a war, but i'm fuzzy on the details.

    @DaveK said:

    You post appears to display unstated assumptions
    and a lack of real knowledge about both the history of India and the
    current state of language usage and teaching there.
     

    Your, I assume, assumption that i'm a prick is wrong. It may not have included a question mark, but a question it was.

     

    @Nagesh said:

    dear startos,


    as british ocupied india, they comit severel atrocities in our cities
    and towns. they rape many women and leave behind ofspring who nobody
    want. all our govt documentation is still in english. hindi is still
    strong, but mostly in rural population.

    also it is more than 63 years since we acrue freedom. people have more than 1 medium of learning. so my school hindi medium. lot of people go to english medium school and aquire good english speaking and writing skill if they pay attention as for me, i come from averege middle family so canot aford english medium schooling. i try to make up by reading. right now i am reading hardy boys novels writen by Franklin W Dixon. I hope to write beter in less then one year.

     

    Ah, thanks for the knowledge. All my information about India comes from Outsourced (movie and series) in which indians tend to speak fluent english.

     



  • @derula said:

    I like this forum because it visualizes that globalization can work. There's people from totally different regions and cultures coming together, making fun of each other, making fun of themselves, and discussing IT WTFs, while at the same time respecting each other and not being racist or nationalistic at all. If the whole world were like this forum, we would truly be the species of God.
     

    So help me, you start singing Kum-Ba-Ya and I'll slap you crost the face with a mackerel!



  •  @stratos said:

    @blakeyrat said:

    @stratos said:
    Convince your government or minister of education or whom ever that teaching kids english in school as a second language is a good move. Perhaps even going for that extra mile and let them add a third language, like spanish, german or perhaps, considering the location of india, mandarin.

    Alternatively, encourage home-grown tech industry growth so that you're the one creating the documentation and everybody else has to deal with your language.

     

    Germany tried that, but brits and yanks didn't want to read the german siemens manuals.  Then i think they started a war, but i'm fuzzy on the details.

    French people tried also. And in the same time they tried to achieve "the 5th generation language" in opening the way to "natural language programming".

    To me, it's a terrible fail (I tried the web part during a former mission, working with Webdev, version 9. Hated that nearly-all-WYSIWYG garbage).

    In the few places where the "developer" could actually write code rather than just fiddling with an army of wizard/dialogs... you could write in the source code :

    @windev source code example said:

    Orange est une chaîne.

    Strawberry is a string.

    Pomme et Poire sont des nombres.

    ... which would legally compile as the declaration of two strings and two numbers.

     I'm so happy today to work on other technologies (mostly XML, mass printing, and web)



  • @stratos said:

    Germany tried that, but brits and yanks didn't want to read the german siemens manuals.  Then i think they started a war, but i'm fuzzy on the details.

    Siemens MedSeries software on AS/400 hardware... there's some high octane nightmare fuel right there.



  • @toshir0 said:

    @serguey123 said:

    Are you smoking? Can I have some?
    2) anyway, can I have some too ??!!

    Sure, it's called "sugar". It's legal, and pretty cheap, too. I'm only eating it though, no idea if smoking it has the same impact. But you could try it, I guess.



  • @derula said:

    @toshir0 said:

    @serguey123 said:

    Are you smoking? Can I have some?
    2) anyway, can I have some too ??!!

    Sure, it's called "sugar". It's legal, and pretty cheap, too. I'm only eating it though, no idea if smoking it has the same impact. But you could try it, I guess.

    Is that how people are calling it nowadays? European countries sure are liberals



  • @serguey123 said:

    Is that how people are calling it nowadays? European countries sure are liberals
     

    Ok, so in adidtion to the US, we can strike European countries from the places where you live.



  • @dhromed said:

    @serguey123 said:

    Is that how people are calling it nowadays? European countries sure are liberals
     

    Ok, so in adidtion to the US, we can strike European countries from the places where you live.

     

    I don't think we can. The two sentences weren't mutually exclusive.

    For example, I could say "'Going out for Timbits?'  Is that how people are calling it nowadays. Canadians sure are liberals."

     The genrally accepted implication is "You Canadians", but it could just as well mean "Us Canadians".

     



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    @dhromed said:

    @serguey123 said:

    Is that how people are calling it nowadays? European countries sure are liberals
     

    Ok, so in adidtion to the US, we can strike European countries from the places where you live.

     

    I don't think we can. The two sentences weren't mutually exclusive.

    For example, I could say "'Going out for Timbits?'  Is that how people are calling it nowadays. Canadians sure are liberals."

     The genrally accepted implication is "You Canadians", but it could just as well mean "Us Canadians".

    Who cares, let's strike the US and European countries anyway!



  • @derula said:

    Who cares, let's strike the US and European countries anyway!

    OMG, Germany is doing it again

    WWIII has been declared



  • @serguey123 said:

    @derula said:

    Who cares, let's strike the US and European countries anyway!

    OMG, Germany is doing it again

    WWIII has been declared

    Someone had to do it, and we just have the experience. Everyone else would probably have done it wrong.


  • @blakeyrat said:

    Alternatively, encourage home-grown tech industry growth so that you're the one creating the documentation and everybody else has to deal with your language.

    @derula said:

    @serguey123 said:
    @derula said:
    Who cares, let's strike the US and European countries anyway!

    OMG, Germany is doing it again

    WWIII has been declared

    Someone had to do it, and we just have the experience. Everyone else would probably have done it wrong.

    SAP?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Nagesh does pretty damned good.
    You might even say that he does "well".



  •  For him to say "how people are calling it" instead of "what people are calling it" strongly hints at a romance language.    Not to mention his name.  The "guey" ending in his name hints at a Spanish or Portuguese country.  If he's not in the EU or USA, then I'm guessing Brazil (since it's the most populous country that could fit the bill).



  • @hoodaticus said:

     For him to say "how people are calling it" instead of "what people are calling it" strongly hints at a romance language.    Not to mention his name.  The "guey" ending in his name hints at a Spanish or Portuguese country.  If he's not in the EU or USA, then I'm guessing Brazil (since it's the most populous country that could fit the bill).

    Isn't Serguey a russian name?



  • @derula said:

    @serguey123 said:

    @derula said:

    Who cares, let's strike the US and European countries anyway!

    OMG, Germany is doing it again

    WWIII has been declared

    Someone had to do it, and we just have the experience. Everyone else would probably have done it wrong.

    Ok but if genocide is in the table could you please wipe somebody else this time, I'm not a jew but I think there are better extermination worthy targets.

    Btw, people discuss something more important than my nationality, I would be very surprised if anyone actually guessed my country of birth as I'm the only one in this forum from Corrupsylvania (I checked)



  • @hoodaticus said:

    @blakeyrat said:

    Nagesh does pretty damned good.
    You might even say that he does "well".

    No I mightn't.



  • @serguey123 said:

    Btw, people discuss something more important than my nationality, I would be very surprised if anyone actually guessed my country of birth as I'm the only one in this forum from Corrupsylvania

    I've just been assuming Corrupsulvanian is Ireland. How many continents off am I?

    @serguey123 said:

    (I checked)

    ... how?



  • @serguey123 said:

    Btw, people discuss something more important than my nationality, I would be very surprised if anyone actually guessed my country of birth as I'm the only one in this forum from Corrupsylvania (I checked)
     

    Then it must be Indonesia.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @serguey123 said:
    Btw, people discuss something more important than my nationality, I would be very surprised if anyone actually guessed my country of birth as I'm the only one in this forum from Corrupsylvania
    I've just been assuming Corrupsulvanian is Ireland. How many continents off am I? @serguey123 said:
    (I checked)
    ... how?

    I was bored so I checked, the probabilities of finding  a fellow countryman were small anyways.

    What makes you think of Ireland?

    I won't entertain guesses, there is a reason I keep that stuff for myself



  • Are you from the Vatican?



  • @serguey123 said:

    What makes you think of Ireland?

    1. Speak English (or something remotely close to it) as a primary language

      2) Has a lot of IT workers, and IT companies

      3) Has a crazy hilarious corrupt government, and as such was slammed during the financial crisis (highest level of household debt in the world, according to the Wikis, right behind Iceland I imagine)

    Based on the stuff you've been saying in this thread, though, I might guess you're from a former Russian republic... but the problem with that is your English is too good to be ESL (I think?) and the odds of someone from an English-speaking country moving there permanently would be remote. But it would explain the paranoia over revealing where you're from.

    @serguey123 said:

    I won't entertain guesses, there is a reason I keep that stuff for myself

    The Irish secret police are going to pelt you with potatos!


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