Exciting new feature -- run a program full screen!



  • Lion - Apple's new version of OSX has an exciting new feature as descibed here:

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/

     

    "Full-screen apps. A better way to enjoy the apps you love.


    On iPad, every app is displayed full screen, with no
    distractions, and there’s one easy way to get back to all your other
    apps. Mac OS X Lion does the same for your desktop. You can bring an app
    to full screen with one click, switch to another full-screen app with a
    swipe of the trackpad, and swipe back to the desktop to access your
    multi-window apps. And systemwide support for full-screen apps makes
    them bigger and more immersive. So you can concentrate on every detail
    of your work, or play on a grander scale than ever before."

    Wow.  What's next?  A 2 button mouse?



  • @El_Heffe said:

    Wow.  What's next?  A 2 button mouse?

    Blasphemy! :o



  •  They invented maximize!



  • @El_Heffe said:

    Wow.  What's next?  A 2 button mouse?

     

    Nobody needs a 2 button mouse. A scrollwheel without click function makes your life much simpler. The scroll effect will be wobbly so you can distinguish it from normal scrolling...



  • #ifdef APPLE

    #define FAIL

    #endif



  • You failed.

    [code]#ifdef APPLE


    [img]http://i55.tinypic.com/v3mu5j.png[/img]#define FAIL APPLE


    #endif[/code]



  •  How many big catus do we have left, before they're forced to name it OSXI?

     

    OSX Ocelot

    OSX Lynx

    OSX Felis

     

    Launchpad also appears to be a rebranding of... the desktop. Also a regression, as the dock was invented to alleviate desktop crowding. And doesn't the dock have this expando thing where an icon can erupt in a list of icons? What does Launchpad do that's better?

     

    But, when all's said and done, it does appear that Mac is increasingly becoming a computer for people rather than users. A single product, rather than a platform. At least that's what the marketing tells me. I don't have a copy of it all to play with and see where the chasm presents itself, like I can with Ubuntu.



  • @dhromed said:

    How many big catus do we have left, before they're forced to name it OSXI?

     

    OSX Ocelot

    OSX Lynx

    OSX Felis

    I'm looking forward to OSX Pantera.

     



  •  OSX Panthro

    OSX Pussy

    OSX Hello Kitty

    OSX LOL

    OSX O HAI I UPGRADED UR RAM

     

     



  • @dhromed said:

    OSX Hello Kitty

     

     

    Darn.  I was going to use that one.

     



  • @dhromed said:

     They invented maximize!

    But their version is Great and Magical.



  • @El_Heffe said:

    Darn.  I was going to use that one.
     

    I'd hit that.

     

    With a crowbar.

     

    Mini nukes indeed solve this. Thanks, random tagselector!



  • @frits said:

    @dhromed said:

    How many big catus do we have left, before they're forced to name it OSXI?

     

    OSX Ocelot

    OSX Lynx

    OSX Felis

    I'm looking forward to OSX Pantera.

     

    I propose the following versions

    OSX Manowar

    OSX Nevermore

    OSX mayhem

    OSX Exodus

    and for the hell of it since I got to hang out with Danny Trejo last weekend while working photo at rock and shock: OSX Machete



  • @galgorah said:

    @frits said:

    @dhromed said:

    How many big catus do we have left, before they're forced to name it OSXI?

     

    OSX Ocelot

    OSX Lynx

    OSX Felis

    I'm looking forward to OSX Pantera.

     

    I propose the following versions

    OSX Manowar

    OSX Nevermore

    OSX mayhem

    OSX Exodus

    and for the hell of it since I got to hang out with Danny Trejo last weekend while working photo at rock and shock: OSX Machete

     I'd like to propose OSX Cattle Decapitation or to keep the cat theme going, OSX Faster Pussycat.

    <FONT size=2> 

    </FONT>


  • This isn't exactly the same as "maximize window" -- it's more like full-screen mode that IE and other browsers offer when you press F11.  

    OSX, so far at least, doesn't really have a "maximize" -- the equivalent is more or less "resize window to the ideal size," but the guidelines aren't detailed anough about what that means, so every app behaves differently, and often not even the same way twice.

    My favorite part, though, is that to demonstrate this "new" feature they show iPhoto in a full-screen mode that's ALREADY available.

     



  • @galgorah said:

    I got to hang out with Danny Trejo last weekend while working photo at rock and shock:
     

    Can you get a message to him?



  •  Meh, it's just a small user interface enhancement. You can already run appications both Maximized or Full Screen, just like on Windows. When it's maximized you still see Taskbar/Dock, window borders and ornaments and such, maximized is usually used for games.

     The only thing they changed is that there now is a trackpad gesture to easily change between fullscreen applications so it becomes more convenient to run things full screen.

     Remember that not just Apple laptops have a trackpad, but that the top of the Apple mouse also functions as one.

     It just means that if you're running WoW or another game/application full screen, just can just swipe your fingers over your mouse to flick to a different application (for example a browser, TeamSpeak). It removes the need to use Alt-Tab, Expose or something similar to quickly go from one full screen application to another.

     It's nice, but nothing major.



  • @frits said:

    Or to keep the cat theme going, OSX Faster Pussycat.
    Did you mean Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! or just Faster Pussycat? (the latter seem like a real world parody of Spinal Tap)



  • @RogerWilco said:

    you can just swipe your fingers over your mouse to flick to a different application
     

    Which would happen to me all the time, especially when I don't want it. I just disabled a "feature" of the trackpad of my laptop that caused almost every screen to continually zoom in when I meant to just move the mouse. Which is highly, highly annoying (sadly, it took me a month to realise it was not a hardware feature but somethign I could actually turn off).

     No, I'm pretty sure I don't want that mouse, ever.



  • @OzPeter said:

    @frits said:
    Or to keep the cat theme going, OSX Faster Pussycat.
    Did you mean Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! or just Faster Pussycat? (the latter seem like a real world parody of Spinal Tap)

    The band.



  • @Rootbeer said:

    OSX, so far at least, doesn't really have a "maximize" -- the equivalent is more or less "resize window to the ideal size," but the guidelines aren't detailed anough about what that means, so every app behaves differently, and often not even the same way twice.

    Even Safari is [url=http://www.orderingdisorder.com/2010/05/05/on-consistency/]completely inconsistent[/url]. You'd think Apple could get their own applications to behave themselves.



  • @RogerWilco said:

     Meh, it's just a small user interface enhancement. You can already run appications both Maximized or Full Screen, just like on Windows.

    For most applications, you can only get fullscreen if you manually resize the window to take up the whole screen. Their "zoom" button will resize the window in an arbitrary and inconsistent manner. Except, of course, for those applications that pretend the "zoom" button is a "maximize" button, like Xcode.



  • @Heron said:

    @Rootbeer said:

    OSX, so far at least, doesn't really have a "maximize" -- the equivalent is more or less "resize window to the ideal size," but the guidelines aren't detailed anough about what that means, so every app behaves differently, and often not even the same way twice.

    Even Safari is completely inconsistent. You'd think Apple could get their own applications to behave themselves.

    Those days have been dead since the days of OS 9. A more cynical person might even say QuickTime 3.



  • @galgorah said:

    and for the hell of it since I got to hang out with Danny Trejo last weekend while working photo at rock and shock: OSX Machete

    They've just fucked with the wrong OS!



  • @nexekho said:

    You failed.

    <font face="Lucida Console" size="2">#ifdef APPLE


    #define FAIL APPLE


    #endif</font>

    Let's try a small modification to that:

    #define APPLE MICROSOFT

    #ifdef APPLE

    #define FAIL APPLE

    #endif

    Now Microsoft fails. Also, why does your post contain a web bug?



  • launcher is "By far the most underappreciated feature of ... MacOS".



  • @arty said:

    launcher is "By far the most underappreciated feature of ... MacOS".

    Holy crap. If that site is indicative of the quality of Macs, it's a wonder they have market share at all.



  •  TRWTF is that Compiz can do all of that better.



  • @toth said:

    @arty said:
    launcher is "By far the most underappreciated feature of ... MacOS".

    Holy crap. If that site is indicative of the quality of Macs, it's a wonder they have market share at all.

    That site, and the computers it's describing, are circa 1997.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @toth said:
    @arty said:
    launcher is "By far the most underappreciated feature of ... MacOS".
    Holy crap. If that site is indicative of the quality of Macs, it's a wonder they have market share at all.
    That site, and the computers it's describing, are circa 1997.

    Way to throw a wet blanket on the hater festivities.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @toth said:
    @arty said:
    launcher is "By far the most underappreciated feature of ... MacOS".

    Holy crap. If that site is indicative of the quality of Macs, it's a wonder they have market share at all.

    That site, and the computers it's describing, are circa 1997.

    @Jeffrey W Baumann said:

    ©1997-2010 Jeffrey W Baumann & LinkedResources, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Last Updated July 24, 2010.



  • @Rootbeer said:

    OSX, so far at least, doesn't really have a "maximize" -- the equivalent is more or less "resize window to the ideal size," but the guidelines aren't detailed anough about what that means, so every app behaves differently, and often not even the same way twice.

     

    Its a non-free app... but Divvy helps with this. Takes away the absurdity of having to manually put the top left corner of the app in the top left corner of the screen, and then drag the bottom right of the app to the bottom right of the screen anyways.



  • @Heron said:

    @Rootbeer said:

    OSX, so far at least, doesn't really have a "maximize" -- the equivalent is more or less "resize window to the ideal size," but the guidelines aren't detailed anough about what that means, so every app behaves differently, and often not even the same way twice.

    Even Safari is completely inconsistent. You'd think Apple could get their own applications to behave themselves.

     

    But it's consistently inconsistent!



  • Also, why does your post contain a web bug?

    I couldn't see any obvious way to make a tab, and who doesn't indent their code?



  • @TheChewanater said:

    TRWTF is…Compiz
    Agreed.



  • @nexekho said:

    Also, why does your post contain a web bug?

    I couldn't see any obvious way to make a tab, and who doesn't indent their code?

     

    I can think of at least two.

    #ifdef APPLE

    in ur cs indentin ur text

    #endif

    #ifdef APPLE
    	more indented stuff!
    #endif
    

    Also, hooray for Apple discovering things ages later than everyone else and still managing to pass it off as innovative.



  • @scgtrp said:

    Also, hooray for Apple discovering things ages later than everyone else and still managing to pass it off as innovative.

    This is even more blatant than Shadowco-- I mean "Time Machine".



  • Lol, apple users are always amazed when apple brings out something that every other platform has done for ages, one of my friends who uses macs was blown away by the ability to access his mac at home from work and was showing it off, when i pointed out that it's just VNC and every other platform has been able to do that for around 10 years, he'd never heard of VNC and thought this was some kind of awesome new apple feature. Also the same thing with UPnP media streaming.

    Just like the OS on a usb stick thing, nearly every netbook i've bought has come with a recovery stick rather than a CD but now Apple is doing it so it is "revolutionary".

    Apple has a truly amazing marketing machine and mac users tend not to read about anything non-mac related and therefore aren't aware of the capabilities of other platforms so when apple releases something that the rest of us just take for granted they are amazed and think it is apple's latest and greatest invention.



  • @TheChewanater said:

     TRWTF is that Compiz can do all of that better.

    100% agree but Compiz isn't by Apple so it is not innovative or cool, duh



  • @JesusChrist said:

    but now Apple is doing it so it is "revolutionary".

    I've got a friend like that. He insists the iPad has had a "massive and insane impact" on the market, but he refuses to provide a single example other than sales numbers (which by themselves could mean anything, including "it's just a fad"). He spent half an hour arguing that it was not worth his time to give me an example, even though there are (supposedly) many easy-to-point-out examples.



  •  I still argue that Apple hasn't had an original innovation since the Apple II series.  Apple didn't invent their most popular products... They just made them popular.

    The iPod was not the first MP3 player (nor even the first hard drive based one)
    The iPhone was not the first smartphone (Palm's OS was on a phone even before Handspring made the original Treo, and Windows CE wasn't unheard of either)
    The iPad was not the first tablet
    Even OSX is based on BSD, and Safari is based on Konqueror...



  • @smbarbour said:

     I still argue that Apple hasn't had an original innovation since the Apple II series.  Apple didn't invent their most popular products... They just made them popular.

    The iPod was not the first MP3 player (nor even the first hard drive based one)
    The iPhone was not the first smartphone (Palm's OS was on a phone even before Handspring made the original Treo, and Windows CE wasn't unheard of either)
    The iPad was not the first tablet
    Even OSX is based on BSD, and Safari is based on Konqueror...

    The original 1984 Mac invented ("innovated") about a dozen things. Or more. Since about 1995 or so, they've only invented bad ideas.



  • @smbarbour said:

    Apple didn't invent their most popular products... They just made them popular.

    Indeed; Apple didn't even make the first touchscreen smartphone. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone]Wikipedia[/url] suggests that BellSouth sold a touchscreen smartphone all the way back in 1993, and the first phone to run Symbian was a touchscreen smartphone released by Ericsson in 2000.



  • @smbarbour said:

    Apple didn't invent their most popular products... They just made them popular.

    The next one is the "App Store" for desktops, something Ubuntu has been doing an awesome job of with the "Ubuntu Software Center" since version 10.04. Not that i think copying is a bad idea if the idea is good(in fact i think it is great), it's just that now Apple is going to do it it is treated like new invention(by Apple). Apple does have a long history of "borrowing" from FOSS projects.



  • @JesusChrist said:

    @smbarbour said:
    Apple didn't invent their most popular products... They just made them popular.

    The next one is the "App Store" for desktops, something Ubuntu has been doing an awesome job of with the "Ubuntu Software Center" since version 10.04. Not that i think copying is a bad idea if the idea is good(in fact i think it is great), it's just that now Apple is going to do it it is treated like new invention(by Apple). Apple does have a long history of "borrowing" from FOSS projects.

    There's also Steam, released 2003. If Steam isn't an "App Store", I don't know what is.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    There's also Steam, released 2003. If Steam isn't an "App Store", I don't know what is.

    There's even Steam [i]for OSX[/i] now. I get the feeling Apple saw that and immediately thought, "we shouldn't let Valve take any more sales/distribution territory on OSX!"



  • @Heron said:

    There's even Steam for OSX now.
     

    But does it run fullscreen?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @smbarbour said:

     I still argue that Apple hasn't had an original innovation since the Apple II series.  Apple didn't invent their most popular products... They just made them popular.

    The iPod was not the first MP3 player (nor even the first hard drive based one)
    The iPhone was not the first smartphone (Palm's OS was on a phone even before Handspring made the original Treo, and Windows CE wasn't unheard of either)
    The iPad was not the first tablet
    Even OSX is based on BSD, and Safari is based on Konqueror...

    The original 1984 Mac invented ("innovated") about a dozen things. Or more. Since about 1995 or so, they've only invented bad ideas.

    The original Mac innovated at an Apple II level. How many OSes from that era would fit in a 720K floppy diskette, yet manage to have a full-blown graphical interface, and run with only 128K RAM? It had networking (LocalTalk/AppleTalk) ages before Ethernet became a standard for PCs.

    The sometime in the dawn of the '90s they switched to PowerPC, pushing the RISC arch on consumer-level computers; even the early Pentiums were slower than the first PPC Macs. SCSI HDDs also meant faster HDDs, and the ability of having up to 6 HDDs, while IDE was stuck to 2 (no secondary IDE back then.)

    They also had one of the first PDAs (not sure if it was the first one, but it was the first 'electronic agenda' I remember hearing about) with the Newton.

    Their true innovation streak seems to have taken somewhere around 1997 ... oh dear! That's when Jobs returned to Apple. Mac OS X isn't ugly, but it pales in comparison to the OS that never was: Copland. Apple went from being a true innovator to an imitator disguised as an innovator: switched PPC for crappy x86, SCSI for IDE, then SATA; homegrown OS for shiny BSD, and finally it proceeded to lock down all its iDevices, turning exactly into the "Big Brother" portrayed in their 1984 Mac ad.



  • @danixdefcon5 said:

    Apple went from being a true innovator to an imitator disguised as an innovator: switched PPC for crappy x86, SCSI for IDE, then SATA; homegrown OS for shiny BSD…

    So you're saying they should've stuck with PPC? How do you figure?

    Also, Mac OS X is more of a Mach, BSD, and NeXTSTEP hybrid…



  • @Enterprise Architect said:

    Also, Mac OS X is more of a Mach, BSD, and NeXTSTEP hybrid…


    I thought more in lines of "OSX is a bastardization of (NeXTStep which is a bastardization of (Mach, which had a BSD subsystem)) with BSD userspace."


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