Do you believe in $X? Yes, or yes?



  • <img src="http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh189/PaulJHerring/district422.png" title="The Republican Party of Minnesota Senate District 42 fuck up a poll/>

    Background: Originally the poll was a yes/no, but a somewhat well known detractor of internet polls advertised it, and for some reason the poll went the opposite way of what the askers wanted.
    Initially it read, and before the post linked to got published, had votes as:

    President Obama called the new Arizona bill banning illegal immigration "misguided". Do you agree?

    Sí, señor! 22%
    No Way, José! 77%

    After some fucking around with the poll, they've appeared to give up all pretense of making it a fair vote.:
    So what did they do? Multiple resets of the poll, throwing out all of the votes — for a while, they were resetting it every 10 minutes. Attempts to lock the poll: they'd let votes accumulate for a few minutes from a fresh start, and as soon as their side showed a slight edge, freeze it there (some of the readers here discovered an alternate path to the polling service and worked their way around it). Rewriting the answers, first to remove the stereotypical language, then to reverse the sense of the answers (we were not fooled), and now…and now, [screengrab above]


    Feel free to ignore the silliness of the behaviour and go straight to discussing the content of the poll if you wish.... I know what you lot are like.


  • Barack Obama: Bad President or Worst President?



  •  I support Arizona's immigration law.



  • @dhromed said:

     I support Arizona's immigration law.

    I would support an anti-emigration law for Arizona.



  • The nature of the header itself is misleading.  "Do you support enforcing the Law".  Well, of course, I'm not an anarchist.

    But while I may support enforcement of existing law, I also believe in challenging and testing the constitutionality and "justice" of the Law.  Not all Laws are Just or Constitutional, and those laws should be challenged and either revised or removed.  Until such a law is ENFORCED, it can't really be tested.



  • @PJH said:

    banning illegal immigration
    That is so racist!  This is America, the government shouldn't be able to ban illegal activities!



  • @bstorer said:

    I would support an anti-emigration law for Arizona.
     

    You'd get like osmotic swelling of Arizona's population.



  • @dhromed said:

    @bstorer said:
    I would support an anti-emigration law for Arizona.
    You'd get like osmotic swelling of Arizona's population.
    Welcome to the Hotel Arizona.



  • @dhromed said:

    @bstorer said:

    I would support an anti-emigration law for Arizona.
     

    You'd get like osmotic swelling of Arizona's population.

    All the better for the slave labor camps.



  • @Xyro said:

    @dhromed said:

    @bstorer said:
    I would support an anti-emigration law for Arizona.
    You'd get like osmotic swelling of Arizona's population.
    Welcome to the Hotel Arizona.

    You can check out any time you like, but you have to listen to some fucking terrible Eagles songs first.



  • ¿Qué?



  • @fatdog said:

    ¿Qué?
    He's using Commie language again. Get him!



  • I believe in $X... for values of X greater than or equal to ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.



  • @Tyler said:

    Barack Obama: Bad President or Worst President?

    According to a British friend of mine who emigrated to Florida a few years ago, Obama has turned into GW Bush. No surprise. The president has no power anyway.



  • @Medezark said:

    The nature of the header itself is misleading.  "Do you support enforcing the Law".  Well, of course, I'm not an anarchist.

    Why "of course"? I'm an anarchist.

    But then again, of course I don't live in the United States of America, I'd rather have my nuts chewed off by a bulldog.



  • I predict that pretty soon, your nuts will indeed be chewed off, by TDWTFs resident bulldog.



  • @Medezark said:

    The nature of the header itself is misleading.  "Do you support enforcing the Law".  Well, of course, I'm not an anarchist.

    But while I may support enforcement of existing law, I also believe in challenging and testing the constitutionality and "justice" of the Law.  Not all Laws are Just or Constitutional, and those laws should be challenged and either revised or removed.  Until such a law is ENFORCED, it can't really be tested.

     

    The most misleading poll I ever saw was, "do you believe there should be laws passed against hate crimes?"

    The "correct" answer is no: there's already laws banning the crimes themselves, the person's race shouldn't be a factor.

    But, as phrased, there's no way to answer it without looking like a racist.



  • There are quite a few laws on the books recently whose only purpose is to gaurantee that the accused can be convicted of SOMETHING.
    Oh, not enough evidence for Assault?  Ok, we'll charge them with a hate crime.
    And there are more than a few laws whose only real purpose is to fill the coffers.  If it's not enough of a crime to warrent jail time, it shouldn't be against the law.  If a crime gives a CHOICE of a fine or jail time, then it's economically discriminatory.

    I can see your point with the Hate crimes though.  But what about X on X crimes, as opposed to X on Y crimes.  Would they only be hate crimes if the individual was a self hating X?

     



  • @Medezark said:

    If a crime gives a CHOICE of a fine or jail time, then it's economically discriminatory.

    You know, I started wondering about that awhile ago.  It leads to a lot of questions about the intent of punishment and the costs to society.  For example, a person who makes a lot of money legitimately generates more value for society than someone who makes less.  You end up with the pseudo-paradox of the punishment hurting society more than the crime.  Of course, you could say that not punishing the person means they won't learn their lesson, but if you've ever known ex-convicts it's pretty obvious that the lesson most learn is simply how to not get caught.

     

    If you're curious, I eventually settled on the decision that people who commit parking violations should be waterboarded, publicly flogged, hung and then drawn and quartered, with their remains stuck stop parking meters as a warning to others.



  • @bstorer said:

    @dhromed said:

    @bstorer said:

    I would support an anti-emigration law for Arizona.
     

    You'd get like osmotic swelling of Arizona's population.

    All the better for the slave labor camps.

    Bah.  At this point, I favor seeding the state borders of AZ with copious landmines and then ceding it to Mexico.  Wait, that Linux furry was from New Mexico, right?  Let's include NM in that, too.

     

    Of course, the flag will look wrong with only 48 stars, so let's annex Canada and Columbia.  After we empty out all the Canadians and Columbians, we'll have all the trees and cocaine we could ever want.

     

    It's having common-sense ideas like these that prevents me from ever being elected President.  Goddamn Pinko, Washington, elitists.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    It's having common-sense ideas like these that prevents me from ever being elected President.  Goddamn Pinko, Washington, elitists.

    You're just too much of a maverick.



  • @toth said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

     

    It's having common-sense ideas like these that prevents me from ever being elected President.  Goddamn Pinko, Washington, elitists.

    You're just too much of a maverick.

    It's the bleeding-heart liberals, like Frank Rich and Ann Coulter.  They don't want me to succeed because they know I'm right.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    let's annex Canada and Columbia.

    But what about Colombia?



  • @gremlin said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    let's annex Canada and Columbia.

    But what about Colombia?

    Ack!  Just like Alexander the Great, my world conquest was cut short by a typeo.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    At this point, I favor seeding the state borders of AZ with copious landmines and then ceding it to Mexico. 
    Ah, the old seed/cede strategy.  It didn't work for the French during the Treaty of Utrecht, it didn't work for the Greeks with the Peace of Antalcidas, and it won't work here.  For one, the odds are slim that we could place enough mines to successfully wipe out all the Mexicans.  For another, giving Mexico more land will just encourage them, and they already have an inflated sense of self-worth due to the success of Taco Bell.

    No, the best strategy is always the simplest.  In this case, that consists of bulldozing the state, inhabitants and all, into the Grand Canyon.  Then we can begin the process of building a massive, state-wide subdevelopment of McMansions to ease white flight.  As for immigrants, all those new upper middle class WASPs will need yardwork and cleaning done.



  • @bstorer said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    At this point, I favor seeding the state borders of AZ with copious landmines and then ceding it to Mexico. 
    Ah, the old seed/cede strategy.  It didn't work for the French during the Treaty of Utrecht, it didn't work for the Greeks with the Peace of Antalcidas, and it won't work here.  For one, the odds are slim that we could place enough mines to successfully wipe out all the Mexicans.  For another, giving Mexico more land will just encourage them, and they already have an inflated sense of self-worth due to the success of Taco Bell.

    No, the best strategy is always the simplest.  In this case, that consists of bulldozing the state, inhabitants and all, into the Grand Canyon.  Then we can begin the process of building a massive, state-wide subdevelopment of McMansions to ease white flight.  As for immigrants, all those new upper middle class WASPs will need yardwork and cleaning done.

    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.  The Civil War has taught you nothing: if you keep them as slaves they will eventually use their sneaky ethnic powers to free themselves.  Before you know it, they're buying up all of the White Man's gold to make themselves false teeth and taking all the white women with the largest butts for their own perverse uses, leaving none for the low-rent Internet porn we white men live for.

     

    I say, if they want to steal our jobs, we go ahead and let them.  We can let them take all of the most tedious, soul-crushing cubicle jobs.  Meanwhile, we can spend all day pimping out our cars, drinking beer from paper sacks and smoking the reefers.  When they finally realized they got boned, it'll be too late.

     

    Where's that Communist Mexican guy at?  Fat-something or something-dog?  We can run the plan by him and see if it has legs.




  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I eventually settled on the decision that people who commit parking violations should be waterboarded, publicly flogged, hung and then drawn and quartered, with their remains stuck stop parking meters as a warning to others.
    Reminds me of this manga panel I found on the interwebs. Don't have it handy, but it was a tv show contest:

    Presenter: You see a man on the street littering. What do you do?

    Contestant: Kill everyone



  • @DOA said:

    Contestant: Kill everyone
     

    And what is the most expedient way of doing this?

    That's right.

    Mini nukes.



  • How can anyone pass a law preventing people from moving into a desert?



  • @spxza said:

    How can anyone pass a law preventing people from moving into a desert?

    Passing a law is easy, enforcement is hard.

    Besides I see the need for this law more clearly now.  The last time a group of disenfranchised people escpaed into the desert they ended up controlling entertainment, finance and jewelry.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    If you're curious, I eventually settled on the decision that people who commit parking violations should be waterboarded, publicly flogged, hung and then drawn and quartered, with their remains stuck stop parking meters as a warning to others.

     

    As a former bus driver, I support this whole-heartedly. Use of mini nukes is optional, but encouraged.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.  The Civil War has taught you nothing: if you keep them as slaves they will eventually use their sneaky ethnic powers to free themselves.
    Whoa there, cowboy.  Who said anything about slavery?  I proposed widescale murder; destruction of every structure in the state; turning one of the country's most famous natural monuments into a landfill; environmental ruination; construction of a massive, soulless cookie cutter suburban sprawl of epic proportions; organization of a state free from minorities or the lower classes; and the exploitation of an uneducated group to perform manual labor for subpoverty wages.  But I never suggested slavery.

    But now that I think about it, my solution has one major flaw: we are surrendering our existing suburbs to the same people who ruined our beautiful cities like Baltimore or Detroit.  Now I'm thinking a better solution may be to push all the undesirables into Arizona, like Trail of Tears 2.0.  Look at how well that worked out for the Indians: they've got their own casinos now!  Then we can turn Arizona into a penal colony.  If we're lucky it'll turn out like Australia: occasionally producing a Crocodile Dundee movie or catchy Men at Work tune, but otherwise completely forgettable.

     @morbiuswilters said:

     

    I say, if they want to steal our jobs, we go ahead and let them.  We can let them take all of the most tedious, soul-crushing cubicle jobs.  Meanwhile, we can spend all day pimping out our cars, drinking beer from paper sacks and smoking the reefers.  When they finally realized they got boned, it'll be too late.

    Unless I can enjoy a little paint-huffing, I'm not interested.  But what your suggesting could very well ruin this country: we may destroy so many brain cells we begin to find soccer interesting.  That is a future that terrifies me to my very core.@morbiuswilters said:
    Where's that Communist Mexican guy at?  Fat-something or something-dog?  We can run the plan by him and see if it has legs.
      According to his schedule, he's busy with a siesta right now.  Later he has to enjoy a burrito, but he may be able to fit you in between his daily knifefight and piling into a Toyota pickup with ten relatives to haul home a couch they picked up on the curb.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @bstorer said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    At this point, I favor seeding the state borders of AZ with copious landmines and then ceding it to Mexico. 
    Ah, the old seed/cede strategy.  It didn't work for the French during the Treaty of Utrecht, it didn't work for the Greeks with the Peace of Antalcidas, and it won't work here.  For one, the odds are slim that we could place enough mines to successfully wipe out all the Mexicans.  For another, giving Mexico more land will just encourage them, and they already have an inflated sense of self-worth due to the success of Taco Bell.

    No, the best strategy is always the simplest.  In this case, that consists of bulldozing the state, inhabitants and all, into the Grand Canyon.  Then we can begin the process of building a massive, state-wide subdevelopment of McMansions to ease white flight.  As for immigrants, all those new upper middle class WASPs will need yardwork and cleaning done.

    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.  The Civil War has taught you nothing: if you keep them as slaves they will eventually use their sneaky ethnic powers to free themselves.  Before you know it, they're buying up all of the White Man's gold to make themselves false teeth and taking all the white women with the largest butts for their own perverse uses, leaving none for the low-rent Internet porn we white men live for.

     

    I say, if they want to steal our jobs, we go ahead and let them.  We can let them take all of the most tedious, soul-crushing cubicle jobs.  Meanwhile, we can spend all day pimping out our cars, drinking beer from paper sacks and smoking the reefers.  When they finally realized they got boned, it'll be too late.

     

    Where's that Communist Mexican guy at?  Fat-something or something-dog?  We can run the plan by him and see if it has legs.


    Si.



  • @spxza said:

    How can anyone pass a law preventing people from moving into a desert?

    It's already against the law for foreign nationals to bypass the immigration system and move here illicitly (hence why it is called "illegal immigration").  It's also been Federal law for half a century that legal aliens must carry their immigration documentation at all times and that they may be asked for it by Federal officers.  This simply mandates it at the state level, permitting state law enforcement the legal standing to enforce existing Federal statute.

     

    In other words, it's Fascism, plain and simple.   Just like requiring that people who are driving a car be able to produce a valid driver's license; or like other state laws that mirror Federal statute, like drug and anti-terrorism laws; or like these goddamn oppressive, racist, bloodflow-constricting pants.



  • @bstorer said:

    Whoa there, cowboy.  Who said anything about slavery?  I proposed widescale murder; destruction of every structure in the state; turning one of the country's most famous natural monuments into a landfill; environmental ruination; construction of a massive, soulless cookie cutter suburban sprawl of epic proportions; organization of a state free from minorities or the lower classes; and the exploitation of an uneducated group to perform manual labor for subpoverty wages.  But I never suggested slavery.

    That last part kind of sounds like slavery, which I am wary of.  Not because I oppose slavery, but because they might find a way to escape.  However, if we're paying them then it's technically not slavery and they'll probably believe they are free, so there's significantly less chance they will free themselves for real.

     

    @bstorer said:

    But now that I think about it, my solution has one major flaw: we are surrendering our existing suburbs to the same people who ruined our beautiful cities like Baltimore or Detroit.  Now I'm thinking a better solution may be to push all the undesirables into Arizona, like Trail of Tears 2.0.  Look at how well that worked out for the Indians: they've got their own casinos now!  Then we can turn Arizona into a penal colony.  If we're lucky it'll turn out like Australia: occasionally producing a Crocodile Dundee movie or catchy Men at Work tune, but otherwise completely forgettable.

    I'll support this if the crimes punishable by deportation to Arizona include: being a hipster douchebag (but I repeat myself), being European, or living in Ohio, West Virginia or Connecticut.

     

    @bstorer said:

    According to his schedule, he's busy with a siesta right now.  Later he has to enjoy a burrito, but he may be able to fit you in between his daily knifefight and piling into a Toyota pickup with ten relatives to haul home a couch they picked up on the curb.

    That's a pretty busy schedule for him.  When is he going to find time to down half a dozen cerveza and stand in front of the Home Depot?



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    being European
     

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    I DONT WANNA LIVE IN ARIZONA



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    or like these goddamn oppressive, racist, bloodflow-constricting pants.
     

    Try the kind made from cloth. The spandex ones aren't really in style anymore, anyway...



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    or like these goddamn oppressive, racist, bloodflow-constricting pants.
     

    Try the kind made from cloth. The spandex ones aren't really in style anymore, anyway...

    Do I tell you how to live your life, motherfucker?



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    [b]dying[/b] in Ohio
    FTFY.




  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @bstorer said:

    According to his schedule, he's busy with a siesta right now.  Later he has to enjoy a burrito, but he may be able to fit you in between his daily knifefight and piling into a Toyota pickup with ten relatives to haul home a couch they picked up on the curb.

    That's a pretty busy schedule for him.  When is he going to find time to down half a dozen cerveza and stand in front of the Home Depot?

    Where do you think he's getting into that knife fight?  He's not gonna let some other pendejo steal his prime spot in front of the exit.  That's the best place to find a gringo who needs a fence repaired.



  • @bstorer said:

    Where do you think he's getting into that knife fight?  He's not gonna let some other pendejo steal his prime spot in front of the exit.  That's the best place to find a gringo who needs a fence repaired.
     

    Creo que tiene que ver con usted que es un pendejo se enfrentan de mierda en general.



  • @dhromed said:

    @bstorer said:

    Where do you think he's getting into that knife fight?  He's not gonna let some other pendejo steal his prime spot in front of the exit.  That's the best place to find a gringo who needs a fence repaired.
     

    Creo que tiene que ver con usted que es un pendejo se enfrentan de mierda en general.

    What the fuck did you just said? Do you know who is this is you talking to?



  •  Totally fed that into google translate.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @spxza said:

    How can anyone pass a law preventing people from moving into a desert?

    It's already against the law for foreign nationals to bypass the immigration system and move here illicitly (hence why it is called "illegal immigration").  It's also been Federal law for half a century that legal aliens must carry their immigration documentation at all times and that they may be asked for it by Federal officers.  This simply mandates it at the state level, permitting state law enforcement the legal standing to enforce existing Federal statute.

     

    In other words, it's Fascism, plain and simple.   Just like requiring that people who are driving a car be able to produce a valid driver's license; or like other state laws that mirror Federal statute, like drug and anti-terrorism laws; or like these goddamn oppressive, racist, bloodflow-constricting pants.

    Become a Scot, wear the kilt. Mark of honour with a Scot never to wear pants of any kind. It's a wonderful life, you know it makes sense. You just have to like (or be able to shrug off as trivial irritations) continual rain, biting cold and ubiquitous clouds of tiny biting insects.



  • @Matt Westwood said:

    Become a Scot, wear the kilt. Mark of honour with a Scot never to wear pants of any kind. It's a wonderful life, you know it makes sense. You just have to like (or be able to shrug off as trivial irritations) continual rain, biting cold and ubiquitous clouds of tiny biting insects.
      Also, a rush of air from a subway gate.



  • @fennec said:

    I believe in $X... for values of X greater than or equal to $ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
    PTFY



  • @Medezark said:

    But what about X on X crimes, as opposed to X on Y crimes.
    Look up Uncle Ruckus some time.  His X on X violence is definitely racist.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    if you've ever known ex-convicts it's pretty obvious that the lesson most learn is simply how to not get caught.
    Not when Dexter Morgan is around.



  • @Matt Westwood said:

    @Tyler said:
    Barack Obama: Bad President or Worst President?

    According to a British friend of mine who emigrated to Florida a few years ago, Obama has turned into GW Bush. No surprise. The president has no power anyway.

     

    The 2010 census is under executive control.  He has ALL the power.



  • @morbiuswilters said:


    Of course, the flag will look wrong with only 48 stars, so let's annex Canada and Columbia.  After we empty out all the Canadians and Columbians, we'll have all the trees and cocaine we could ever want.

     

     

    We'll start with Puerto Rico.


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