SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison



  • I have long been a devotee of SSDS, written by our own Doug Pedersen, a.k.a "SpectateSwamp." SSDS - or "Spectate Swamp Desktop Search" - is an enterprise app designed to facilitate knowledge sharing.


    I use SSDS as a sort of quasi-OS. Like any other sane man, I boot my machine to Windows ME, a robust, POSIX-compliant OS from Microsoft Corporation. But, on most mornings, I am soon doing most of my actual work using the high-tech SSDS user interface.


    The SSDS user interface injects a layer of sanity into my otherwise-disorganized collection of family photos, scanned documents from old jobs, Arena Football box scores, and granny porn. All of this has been placed into SSDS's preferred format, i.e. MPEG movies of me holding up a hard copy of the relevant data item and giving context information in my own inimitable spoken word format.


    Typically, I do this while wearing my deceased great aunt's favorite latex tankini, and standing on a bearskin rug. Then, I can add relevant tags to each MPEG, using the SSDS user interface. Later, I can use these tags for fast retrieval.


    As high-tech as this all sounds, a friend recently brought an alternative to my attention: the "Everything" search engine from Voidtools (http://www.voidtools.com/). Begrudgingly, I told my friend I'd give it a try.


    "Everything" installs in less than a minute. The setup process is remarkably streamlined. In comparison with the SSDS setup process, its setup program is remarkably devoid of ALL CAPS message boxes, ominous COM errors, and the like. Notably, the "Everything" readme file avoids many of the pitfalls of the equivalent SSDS file, e.g. long screeds about local government and the unnecessary glossary of terms in Tosk Albanian.


    Once installed, "Everything" operates in remarkably transparent fashion. Just type a phrase or snippet into the single text box in the "Everything" program, and files begin appearing beneath the text box with remarkable rapidity.


    This is done based on file name. There's no need to tag items with keywords, or to engage in incestuous transvestitism. Best of all, "Everything" somehow hooks into the file system code, so that everything happens quickly and optimally.


    So, I'm seriously contemplating a move from SSDS to "Everything."


    Like thousands of computer enthusiasts over the years, though, I'm also sentimental in the face of progress. I'm gonna miss that bearskin rug, Swampy Swampzors. And something tells me that perhaps we have not heard the last of SpectateSwamp... no doubt an engineer of his caliber is furiously pursuing the addition of similar features to his own magnum opus, SSDS.



  •  Great, the cancer is spreading.



  •  fail troll is fail



  •  I find this "Everything" you speak of fascinating, even more so as the official screenshot shows internal files from Starcraft that can only be extracted using a number of mod tools.



  • @Nyquist said:

     fail troll is fail

    I completely understand the point you made there; however I get a highly irritating and confusing impression that the automaton which would under normal circumstances detect any sarcastic allusions for you in other people's posts might be due to a repair.



  • @derula said:

    @Nyquist said:
    fail troll is fail
    I completely understand the point you made there; however I get a highly irritating and confusing impression that the automaton which would under normal circumstances detect any sarcastic allusions for you in other people's posts might be due to a repair.

    Eh, probably. Too much work has that effect.



  • @PSWorx said:

     I find this "Everything" you speak of fascinating, even more so as the official screenshot shows internal files from Starcraft that can only be extracted using a number of mod tools.

    "Everything" is pretty damn special.

    I really dislike folder hierarchies - preferring to keep anything in a single, common root folder, CP/M-style.

    "Everything" basically allows me to live this dream. No more dealing with annoying subfolders just to access my data!



  • The greatest program on the planet SSDS now runs on Windows 7

    @bridget99 said:

    @PSWorx said:

     I find this "Everything" you speak of fascinating, even more so as the official screenshot shows internal files from Starcraft that can only be extracted using a number of mod tools.

    "Everything" is pretty damn special. I really dislike folder hierarchies - preferring to keep anything in a single, common root folder, CP/M-style. "Everything" basically allows me to live this dream. No more dealing with annoying subfolders just to access my data!

    I could give you a big hug bridget99swamp.

    Keeping all your data in one folder like you do; simplifies life. Just drag and drop the entire folder to your external backup drive.

    I just tested and uploaded the latest version of SSDS. It now runs on windows 7 so it probably works for vista as well.

     check it out

    I'll check out this everything program. Maybe I can learn something. Thanks again



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Keeping all your data in one folder like you do; simplifies life.

    The strange thing is, it would simplify life for the implementers of the OS as well. Like so many things (power management, virtual memory, indexing, context-sensitive help) I don't want a hierarchical file system. Too bad I can't opt out.

    Beyond that, file extensions are a natural subdivision system that's basically squandered away by the hierarchical file system. Windows hides these by default, and even when they're shown, file extensions are treated as orthogonal to (i.e. completely different from) name and folder even though logically, they're not.

    I can envision an OS in which I would open the file system explorer, and beneath the root folder one would find a .CPP folder, a .TXT folder, etc. This is similar to the Web concept of TLDs (.com, .net, .org, and so on).

    It's funny that when I articulate this TLD-style vision for the local hard drive or LAN, I get trashed by the people you would probably call "perfect perfects": it's simplistic, they say; it will result in chaos; the file system will be too slow, etc. And yet, somehow the entire Internet works basically this way!

    I don't get it... I think that too many IT types have been overexposed to IBM, or Microsoft, or Oracle, or BASIC, and as such they lack the big picture acumen to understand how the concept of a TLD (which can really be simulated by keeping all files in a common folder and sorting by extension) lends itself just as easily to the local file system as it does to the Internet.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

     ... I can't read this section anymore. You guys are so damned good at trolling SS that I'm actually starting to think that some of you actually think the way you say you think - which is dangerous to my mental health (as evidenced by just how incoherent this post is)



  • @Weng said:

     ... I can't read this section anymore. You guys are so damned good at trolling SS that I'm actually starting to think that some of you actually think the way you say you think - which is dangerous to my mental health (as evidenced by just how incoherent this post is)

    I think my real talents are wasted here. I should have been a criminal defense attorney.



  • @bridget99 said:

    I can envision an OS in which I would open the file system explorer, and beneath the root folder one would find a .CPP folder, a .TXT folder, etc. This is similar to the Web concept of TLDs (.com, .net, .org, and so on).
     

    IIRC the Acorn Archimedes had a file system organized like that.



  • Last 3 secs of each video in Slow Motion ONLY with SSDS

    What a feature. and so simple. No other search does this nowhere. Ever!

    Being able to quickly play the final few seconds of video clips opens some Strange doors. The last 3 seconds of a golf swing in slow motion is enlightening and fun. With 180 clips from a single tournament There is enough video to be interesting. Target other event video using this technique. What are the possibilities. Base ball swings. Pit crews other super short and FAST activities.

    Explore the realm of the Too Fast For Sight objects. at the same time... Or are you SCARED.

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    The last 3 seconds of a golf swing in slow motion is enlightening and fun.

     

    I know you're retarded or a troll or whatever, but seriously...the last three seconds?  How the fuck long do you think a golf swing is?  How about the last 8 hours of a football game or the last 700 miles of the Daytona 500?

     

    Jesus...



  • @sys said:

    I know you're retarded or a troll or whatever, but seriously...the last three seconds?  How the fuck long do you think a golf swing is?
     

    The most interesting thing here is that you got confuzzled by one of Spec's rare coherent set of words: "The last 3 seconds in slow motion"



  • Show off with SSDS

    @sys said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    The last 3 seconds of a golf swing in slow motion is enlightening and fun.

     

    I know you're retarded or a troll or whatever, but seriously...the last three seconds?  How the fuck long do you think a golf swing is?  How about the last 8 hours of a football game or the last 700 miles of the Daytona 500?

     

    Jesus...

    When recording golf swings. It is hard to just record the 3 seconds of the swing. Sometimes it ends up being 10 or 15 seconds and only the last part is the swing. Playing a 15 second clip in slow motion takes like 2 1/2 minutes. Waaay to slow. The last 3 seconds (the swing) will take 1/2 minute. When trying to just get the swing too many are missed. This way I can start recording early and stop recording when the swing is complete. No swings missed and a constant end point.

    This option enables me to have the complete video show at normal speed then the final 3 seconds show in slow motion. All in a matter of seconds. This way I can quickly show what this software can do (with the 180+ clips) before the golfers leave.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @sys said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    The last 3 seconds of a golf swing in slow motion is enlightening and fun.

     

    I know you're retarded or a troll or whatever, but seriously...the last three seconds?  How the fuck long do you think a golf swing is?  How about the last 8 hours of a football game or the last 700 miles of the Daytona 500?

     

    Jesus...

    When recording golf swings. It is hard to just record the 3 seconds of the swing. Sometimes it ends up being 10 or 15 seconds and only the last part is the swing. Playing a 15 second clip in slow motion takes like 2 1/2 minutes. Waaay to slow. The last 3 seconds (the swing) will take 1/2 minute. When trying to just get the swing too many are missed. This way I can start recording early and stop recording when the swing is complete. No swings missed and a constant end point.

    This option enables me to have the complete video show at normal speed then the final 3 seconds show in slow motion. All in a matter of seconds. This way I can quickly show what this software can do (with the 180+ clips) before the golfers leave.

    SpectateSwamp FTW



  • @dhromed said:

    @sys said:

    I know you're retarded or a troll or whatever, but seriously...the last three seconds?  How the fuck long do you think a golf swing is?
     

    The most interesting thing here is that you got confuzzled by one of Spec's rare coherent set of words: "The last 3 seconds in slow motion"

    Well, maybe parens would help.

    What I read was this: (The last 3 seconds of a golf swing) in slow motion is...

    Not this: The last 3 seconds of (a golf swing in slow motion) is...

     

    Either way, I'm sure it's a lot more exciting that a tobacco leaf flyer.



  • @sys said:

    Either way, I'm sure it's a lot more exciting that a tobacco leaf flyer.
     

    The last three seconds of that were pretty good. In slow motion.



  • Someone should check the latest builds of SSDS to this:



  • @Helix said in SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison:

    Someone should check the latest builds of SSDS to this:

    I'm pretty sure that is the latest build of SSDS.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @bridget99 said in SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison:

    I have long been a devotee of SSDS, written by our own Doug Pedersen, a.k.a "SpectateSwamp." SSDS - or "Spectate Swamp Desktop Search" - is an enterprise app designed to facilitate knowledge sharing.

    My first reaction reading this was: "Holy shit! Someone actually uses SSDS :interrobang: " Then I saw who the OP was (not terribly surprised). Worth a necro? Possibly, though I already knew @bridget99 was a lunatic.


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @bridget99 said in SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison:

    perhaps we have not heard the last of SpectateSwamp

    No, we haven't yet.


  • Impossible Mission Players - A


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @Tsaukpaetra said in SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison:

    Well that's odd, Work firewall didn't block this file...

    I'm not sure I'm glad they didn't.

    0_1473803854008_upload-32a9e7c2-e0b5-4ad1-bc7d-9b9beb11d32a

    :wtf: What am I looking at?


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @Tsaukpaetra said in SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison:

    What

    Entered "2"

    0_1473803904808_upload-d0a3cedb-fcf8-484c-9b5d-14d6dadd1250

    Guys, you don't make a "GUI" application by converting console prompts into inputboxes....

    0_1473803971486_upload-5098591c-5538-4ed9-b865-eff5a53d5962


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @Tsaukpaetra said in SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison:

    ....

    HELP :

    0_1473804018901_upload-bac93124-30ea-4525-8711-8c865a24a0eb

    Wait a second, this isn't an actual console, is it? It's just pretending to be a console!


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @Tsaukpaetra said in SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison:

    It's just pretending to be a console!

    I find myself apparently looping through some kind of text viewer.

    0_1473804263789_upload-d1f2b45f-58fd-4086-9d89-5b021d38395b

    The correct answer is not n


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @Tsaukpaetra Killed. Enough of this BS.



  • @Tsaukpaetra said:

    0_1473804490226_temp.png

    :grinning:


  • Impossible Mission Players - A


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    @Tsaukpaetra said in SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison:

    Filed under: Wow, we can upload arbitrary files, including executables. That's amazing.

    Brillant, even.



  • @Tsaukpaetra said in SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison:

    The correct answer is not n

    What if you type n and then click Cancel?


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @Lorne-Kates said in SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison:

    The correct answer is not n

    What if you type n and then click Cancel?

    For Inputboxes, that's essentially the same as just hitting Cancel alone, it returns Empty String. It also didn't fix the problem.


  • :belt_onion:

    I use SSDS as a sort of quasi-OS. Like any other sane man, I boot my machine to Windows ME ...

    :laughing: :rofl:


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    Aww, damn it, I was asleep and couldn't witness @Tsaukpaetra's journey of discovery in realtime...

    Popcorn seems kinda redundant now...


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @Onyx said in SSDS versus Voidtools' "Everything Search Engine": A Comparison:

    Aww, damn it, I was asleep and couldn't witness @Tsaukpaetra's journey of discovery in realtime...

    Popcorn seems kinda redundant now...

    To be fair, it was a very short journey.


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