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  • I was updating KDE.  I clicked the 'Details' button and I got a blue square that runs back and forth.   How informative.



  •  alert the presses



  •  Dear Lord!  It's almost as if the Aspie shut-ins who write FOSS GUI apps don't give a shit about UI polish!



  • No, this is KDE. It's nothing but UI polish.



  •  Frist to complain about posting a jpeg!



  • @upsidedowncreature said:

     Frist to complain about posting a jpeg!
    One with no visible artifacts, and very clear text.



  • @Lingerance said:

    One with no visible artifacts, and very clear text.
     

    Yup, it's covered in UI polish.  That is UI polish, isn't it?



  • @upsidedowncreature said:

    Filed under: Gnome users don't need no stinkin' UI polish

    That's because they're mostly morons.



  • One of the early things you learn early in the GTK 2.0 (not KDE, I know) tutorial is how to create pulsing progress bars.  Hear is teh codez in Python:

    #!/usr/bin/env python
    import sys
    try:
    import pygtk
    pygtk.require("2.0")
    except:
    pass
    try:
    import gobject
    import gtk
    import gtk.glade
    except:
    sys.exit(1)

    window = gtk.Window()
    window.connect("destroy", gtk.main_quit)

    table = gtk.Table()
    window.add(table)
    table.show()

    progress_bar = gtk.ProgressBar()
    progress_bar.set_text("Progress bar being useless")
    table.attach(progress_bar, 0, 1, 0, 1, gtk.EXPAND|gtk.FILL, gtk.EXPAND, 20, 20)
    progress_bar.show()

    def timer_cb():
    progress_bar.pulse()
    return True

    gobject.timeout_add(100, timer_cb)

    window.resize(400, 200)
    window.show()

    gtk.main()



  • @JPMallory said:

    I was updating KDE.  I clicked the 'Details' button and I got a blue square that runs back and forth.   How informative.

    The first time I saw this crappy concept was in NetBeans.  Of course, by the time I encountered that idiocy, I'd already established it was a festering heap of WTFs.  And NetBeans did, at least, also include a byte count on the transfer when the details were shown.  Not, mind you, an incredibly useful one, as it apparently included the bytes from the TCP/IP headers of every packet, including any ICMP messages, but it was *something*, at least.



  • @lolwtf said:

    No, this is KDE. It's nothing but UI polish.

    That's so deeply UI polish, it's almost UI russian.



  • @Anonymouse said:

    @lolwtf said:

    No, this is KDE. It's nothing but UI polish.

    That's so deeply UI polish, it's almost UI russian.

     

    As long as it's not UI hungarian...



  • @morbiuswilters said:

     Dear Lord!  It's almost as if the Aspie shut-ins who write FOSS GUI apps don't give a shit about UI polish!

     

    It's always FOSS and Java apps that look like this. I'm not sure if Aspies code Java apps, or if Java just has a Godawful toolkit that makes decent GUI apps impossible.

    Our company recently paid these Talend guys a bunch of money. Here's a screenshot intended to sell their product:

     http://www.talend.com/products-data-integration/screenshot/business-model.php (Source page, in case the hotlink fails.)

     

    Very reassuring, yes? "We can't figure out how to correctly put a label in a box, but we can sure as hell run all of your super-important data processing pipelines!" I'm so glad our "shipping applicatio" is backed by such a powerful tool.

    And what kind of text alignment is in use in the "Billing document" and "Redemption datawarehouse" items? I didn't realize you could align by: random.

    But at least they saved a little scratch by using Billy, age 4, to design their User icon.

     

    Here's the worst part of all of this: we're moving to this product from an already-working Microsoft SQL Server/SSIS installation, just because we're hired a new development manager who has a hard-on for open source and hates Microsoft. Oh yes, that's a great reason to throw our already-working, vastly superior Microsoft solution in the bin!! Give me some MySQL WTFs, please! MS SQL is far too reliable to power this site.



  •  Oh God, I just noticed they mispelled (or forgot to localize) "navigator" in the tab at the top. Christ.

    Again, I remind you, this screenshot is intended to sell the product.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    Here's a screenshot intended to sell their product:
    Why is the courier blushing?



    Could it because of the badly randomly aligned text that's being randomly chopped off in random boxes?



    I couldn't possibly thing of any other reason.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    Oh God, I just noticed they mispelled (or forgot to localize) "navigator" in the tab at the top. Christ.

    Again, I remind you, this screenshot is intended to sell the product.

    Um.

    Those tabs look like some sort of development environment. Where, ya know, the developers come up with cute names for the stuff they're doing until it gets 'comitted' to something the public can see?

    If the developers are French, then the names will be 'cute.'



    Please tell me I'm very, very, very wrong with my train of thought here, and they've made a minor mistake with the occasional screenshot.



    I'm assuming they're advertising a (nearly) finished product to Anon.Co. or some company they already have a contract/relationship with rather than relying on this to generate new custom?



  • @PJH said:

    Those tabs look like some sort of development environment. Where, ya know, the developers come up with cute names for the stuff they're doing until it gets 'comitted' to something the public can see?
     

    Uh, that screenshot is on the public website.

    @PJH said:

    Please tell me I'm very, very, very wrong with my train of thought here, and they've made a minor mistake with the occasional screenshot.

    You're very, very, very wrong. That screenshot is what they use to sell this product on their public website. Visit the URL I gave above, it's not behind a password or anything.

    And the mistake isn't with the screenshot, the mistake is with the product. Unless you're suggesting that the product itself looks fine, and they purposefully made the screenshot look like shit?

    @PJH said:

    I'm assuming they're advertising a (nearly) finished product to Anon.Co. or some company they already have a contract/relationship with rather than relying on this to generate new custom?

    No, this is on their public website, and our Anon. Co. didn't have a relationship with them until long after this website was put up.

    The only correct conclusion to draw is that this company doesn't give a flying crap about the quality of their product.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    Unless you're suggesting that the product itself looks fine, and they
    purposefully made the screenshot look like shit?
    You appear to have missed my other post about the blushing courier.



  •  Bonus points for still using the web 0.01 "javascript:go(-1)" anti pattern. Thanks a lot guys. If I should ever forget where I put my back button, I'll think of you.



  • @PJH said:

    Those tabs look like some sort of development environment.
     

    Looks like Eclipse to me. Or is that a standard Java UI? (I use Eclipse for its plugins and don't do any Java at all)

    @blakeyrat said:

    Oh God, I just noticed they mispelled (or forgot to localize) "navigator" in the tab at the top. Christ.

    Maybe that's why the boxes are "text-align: random", they could have centered the text using spaces (in French), then translated without changing the alignment. (Just a suggestions, I don't parlez vous Francias...)

    Still sloppy work for the general public to be able to view.



  • @Zemm said:

    Or is that a standard Java UI?
     

    Azureus used to look the same, so I'm guessing it's a standard thing.



  • @PJH said:

    You appear to have missed my other post about the blushing courier.
     

    I saw it but first you were making fun of them and then you were defending them and then I got confused. :(



  •  I think that actually for a Java interface, it looks quite good.

     There's also things like PCGen: http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/PCGen-Screenshot-123749.html

    (a good application, but suffering from Java UI)



  • @blakeyrat said:

    It's always FOSS and Java apps that look like this. I'm not sure if Aspies code Java apps, or if Java just has a Godawful toolkit that makes decent GUI apps impossible.

    The latter.

    Also that screenshot looks like it was made in MS Paint or Visio. I have to say that I'm impressed - I really didn't believe apps still exist that could fuck up text alignment as badly as this.

    Also also, your new dev manager is a dumbass; as someone who's already been forced to go the FOSS path by my "superiors", I can say this with conviction. Make him prove that this new product will provide a long-term benefit - not just money-wise, but productivity wise - before you allow him to implement it and turn everyone's lives into a flaming ball of fuckup. And when he bitches about Microsoft, politely remind him that people use Microsoft software for a reason... BECAUSE IT WORKS.



  • @The_Assimilator said:

    I really didn't believe apps still exist that could fuck up text alignment as badly as this.

    Yah, stupid me, I thought "centering text" was a solved problem... at least my 1988 Mac never had any problems with it.

    @The_Assimilator said:

    Also also, your new dev manager is a dumbass; as someone who's already been forced to go the FOSS path by my "superiors", I can say this with conviction. Make him prove that this new product will provide a long-term benefit - not just money-wise, but productivity wise - before you allow him to implement it and turn everyone's lives into a flaming ball of fuckup. And when he bitches about Microsoft, politely remind him that people use Microsoft software for a reason... BECAUSE IT WORKS.
     

    I know. They get pissy about the cost of the licenses, but they never look at the total cost of the operation. For us, for example, the cost of a few MS SQL Server licenses is absolutely nothing compared to the gigantic SAN we have to purchase and maintain to store the data in the first place... I mean they're talking about saving, what, $750 bucks on a $75k purchase? Drop in the bucket. Plus God knows how much they paid these Talend guys, both for their product and the full week training session on it.

    If we worked in graphics, we'd have no problem getting Adobe Photoshop licenses, and that costs significantly more. (Since each desktop needs a copy and not just servers.) If you do graphics, the Photoshop license is just the cost of business... if you do data, the SQL Server license is just a cost of business.



  • @PSWorx said:

     Bonus points for still using the web 0.01 "javascriptgo(-1)" anti pattern. Thanks a lot guys. If I should ever forget where I put my back button, I'll think of you.

     

    Oh joy, another mindless lemming who wants to make sure everyone knows he read that AntiPatterns book. Woo woo, ur so l33t dude.



  • TRWTF is that this person uses KDE. KDE fails.



  • @Indrora said:

    TRWTF is that this person uses KDE. KDE fails.

    Why? Because Konqueror's mascot doesn't have a fur?

    You know that Firefox does run under KDE?



  • @derula said:

    Why? Because Konqueror's mascot doesn't have a fur?
     

    All of Lunix has a penguin furry mascot. Do birds count as furries?



  •  @Zylon said:

    Oh joy, another mindless lemming who wants to make sure everyone knows he read that AntiPatterns book. Woo woo, ur so l33t dude.

    Oh joy, another script kiddy who can't be bothered to rely on the knowledge of others, because he "knows better, anyway".

    Honestly, though, it's probably not a real anti pattern but it annoys me every time I see it because it makes browsing harder. Tell me why its use here is justified and we can talk again.

    @blakeyrat said:

    All of Lunix has a penguin furry mascot. Do birds count as furries?

    Yes. Yes, they do.

    :3

     


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