Facebook: Wednesday? Today? Yesterday?



  • I just looked at my Facebook page and noticed something strange. The status I set yesterday (ie Thursday morning) is marked as two different days, neither correct. In the screenshot I've hovered over the clock to show you the current date and time (this was taken almost 2 hours ago as I had a minor family emergency just after taking the screenshot.) The big red area is something unrelated to the status.

     

     It's like it takes the wrong timezone for the status but double-corrects for the offset in the feed, since I'm at +1000.

    Yes, me being dressed up as a zombie is probably a WTF. So is Facebook confusing a "train" (as in public transport) with "training" (as in #1 Personal Trainer) in the ads.



  •  What's that taskbar?

    Oh wait, 7, right?



  • @dhromed said:

    What's that taskbar?

    Oh wait, 7, right?

    You're not on Win7 yet?



  • No.

    Why should I?



  • @dhromed said:

    No.

    Why should I?

    It's a real improvement over WinXP and WinVista (e.g. boot times are much lower. The whole feel is a lot snappier). I've upgraded all my machines at home and I have never looked back again.

    OTOH if you're on linux or OSX please carry on.

     

    EDIT: Added some examples why I think it's better



  • @dhromed said:

     What's that taskbar?

    Oh wait, 7, right?

     

    Still the RC. Also, with small icons. Every pixel is sacred.



  • @Zemm said:

    @dhromed said:

     What's that taskbar?

    Oh wait, 7, right?

     

    Still the RC. Also, with small icons. Every pixel is sacred.

    I didn't know the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster had considerations about pixels.



  • @bjolling said:

    boot times are much lower.
     

    Can 7 reduce BIOS load times?

     




  •  You'll pry XP out of my cold dead hands. Well... that or when they start publishing Win7 only games.



  • I get the impression with Facebook that it could well be quite WTF-y behind the scenes. I reckon it's a big ticking timebomb of WTF that will eventually implode under the amount of stuff they've had to add to keep people happy.

    So it doesn't surprise me to see they've got a few dates wrong!

    Re: Win7, I bought a new laptop a couple of weeks ago with Win 7 installed. I really like it - this coming from someone who's been using Linux for the past four years. Some real improvements on WinXP, not just cosmetic.



  • @PhillS said:

    real improvements on WinXP
     

    list plz!



  • @dhromed said:

    @PhillS said:

    real improvements on WinXP
     

    list plz!

    • Triggered services, Windows Services can be configured to start on certain conditions (only start wifi service when a wifi device is detected or start some service when you insert a usb device) reducing the startup time.
    • Improved Windows search (indexing service)
    • More stuff moved to GPU (improved DWM)
    • More features that can be removed (you can remove IE8, wmp,...)
    • Libraries allow you to group different folder under the same category (public/my pictures, ...)
    • Notification area allows you to define which icons you want to see and which one's should show messages
    • Better SSD support (no defragging, less writing,...)
    • Native VHD support to mount them as drives and even boot from them
    • Bitlocker for usb drives
    • RDP 7.0, better multimonitor support, 3d rendering using host card (you can use Aero over remote desktop)
    • Powershell 2.0
    • .NET 3.5 SP1
    • XP Mode to run applications in a XP VM but still look to be a normal app (it only shows the app)




      New Features


  • @XIU said:

    (you can use Aero over remote desktop)

    Bought!



  • @derula said:

    @XIU said:
    (you can use Aero over remote desktop)

    Bought!

    Check out kb969084.

    It seems to depend on the remote connection which features are supported, but I tried it already with a Win7 client to Win7 host.



  • @XIU said:

    Filed under: Aero good, Compiz bad

    What about KWin?



  • @dhromed said:

    Can 7 reduce BIOS load times?
    Does Suspend count?



  • You go to all the trouble redacting half the screen but still leave your ugly face for us to see?



  •  Proof that nobody can ever work out QLD time zones :p



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    You go to all the trouble redacting half the screen but still leave your ugly face for us to see?

     

    You don't know which of those three faces are mine! 😉



  • @Nyquist said:

     Proof that nobody can ever work out QLD time zones :p

     

    Yes, because NOT changing your clocks twice a year is so confusing.



  • @Zemm said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    You go to all the trouble redacting half the screen but still leave your ugly face for us to see?

     

    You don't know which of those three faces are mine! 😉

    Well, the one in the middle looks just like your avatar!



  • @bjolling said:

    (e.g. boot times are much lower. The whole feel is a lot snappier)
     

    Are you comparing fresh installs of the operating systems, or a fresh install of 7 against a five-year-old cruft-addled XP? Or for that matter a fresh install of XP against a five-year-old cruft-addled 7?



  • @Watson said:

    @bjolling said:

    (e.g. boot times are much lower. The whole feel is a lot snappier)
     

    Are you comparing fresh installs of the operating systems, or a fresh install of 7 against a five-year-old cruft-addled XP? Or for that matter a fresh install of XP against a five-year-old cruft-addled 7?

    How would you even get a five-year-old version of 7 to compare it to?



  • @PhillS said:

    I get the impression with Facebook that it could well be quite WTF-y behind the scenes. I reckon it's a big ticking timebomb of WTF that will eventually implode under the amount of stuff they've had to add to keep people happy.

     

    Yep, pretty much anything Facebook is a WTF. You have a point, whenever you add a new feature just to make a client happy, you can bet there will be a WTF somewhere. If it's not bad enough that the client becomes unhappy, then you'll just move on to more important things.



  • @Zemm said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    You go to all the trouble redacting half the screen but still leave your ugly face for us to see?

     

    You don't know which of those three faces are mine! 😉

    You underestimate our deductive reasoning skill. Your profile says you're married. There's one female in the picture. There's one guy with his arm through said female's. Common sense would dictate... well, you know the rest.

    So yeah - TRWTF is the redaction 😛



  •  TRWTF is you using Facebook.

     

     



  • @El_Heffe said:

     TRWTF is you using Facebook.

     

     

     

    I was going to be very disappointed if I'd gotten to the end of the comments without someone mentioning this.



  • @PeriSoft said:

    @El_Heffe said:

     TRWTF is you using Facebook.

     

     

     

    I was going to be very disappointed if I'd gotten to the end of the comments without someone mentioning this.

     

    Well, it was mentioned twice before that so you must be content.  You were the first one to bring it up too...



  • @XIU said:

    Triggered services, Windows Services can be configured to start on certain conditions (only start wifi service when a wifi device is detected or start some service when you insert a usb device) reducing the startup time.
    ...xinetd on windows? Took them long enough.



  • @DescentJS said:

    How would you even get a five-year-old version of 7 to compare it to?

    I have set my clock to 2014 and Windows 7 is still snappy.



  • @XIU said:

    I have set my clock to 2014 and Windows 7 is still snappy.
     

    Office Humor achievement unlocked!

    you win 1 lals.



  • @bob171123 said:

    @PeriSoft said:

    @El_Heffe said:

     TRWTF is you using Facebook.

     

     

     

    I was going to be very disappointed if I'd gotten to the end of the comments without someone mentioning this.

     

    Well, it was mentioned twice before that so you must be content.  You were the first one to bring it up too...

     

    As far as I can tell, facebook itself being a wtf was mentioned, but not the OP's using facebook being a wtf.



  • @Watson said:

    @bjolling said:

    (e.g. boot times are much lower. The whole feel is a lot snappier)
     

    Are you comparing fresh installs of the operating systems, or a fresh install of 7 against a five-year-old cruft-addled XP? Or for that matter a fresh install of XP against a five-year-old cruft-addled 7?

    Take your pick. On my machines:

    Dell Latitude D630: I had a fresh WinXP, moved to fresh install Windows Vista, now running a fresh install of Windows 7 Ultimate

    Dell Dimension 8300 (5 year old machine): fresh install WinXP + SP3, in place upgrade to Windows Vista, in place upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate

    Acer Aspire Idea 500: OEM Windows XP MediaCenter Edition 2005, in place upgrade to Windows Vista, fresh install Windows 7 Ultimate

    Medion with Intel Core i5 Processor: OEM Windows 7 Home Premuim

     

    I can know: Windows 7 really IS snappier than Windows XP. Windows Vista is just horribly slow. The only machine Win7 didn't install on was my 10 year old AMD K6 because it didn't have enough memory. That one currently is running Ubuntu but I really should throw that thing out.



  • @dhromed said:

    @bjolling said:
    boot times are much lower.
    Can 7 reduce BIOS load times?
    Nitpicker. I was talking about the time between me pressing the Power button and the desktop actual being ready to start working/gaming/....



  •  

    @bjolling said:

    @dhromed said:

    @bjolling said:
    boot times are much lower.
    Can 7 reduce BIOS load times?
    Nitpicker. I was talking about the time between me pressing the Power button and the desktop actual being ready to start working/gaming/....

    I'm not nitpicking. The BIOS is the longest, most significant part of my total startup time. If Win7 can't reduce my BIOS time, it can't significantly reduce total time.



  • @dhromed said:

     I'm not nitpicking. The BIOS is the longest, most significant part of my total startup time. If Win7 can't reduce my BIOS time, it can't significantly reduce total time.

    Really?  Is your bios set to do memory checks or has "quick boot" disabled?  I haven't had a computer in years that took more than 5 seconds to make it through bios.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Really?  Is your bios set to do memory checks or has "quick boot" disabled?  I haven't had a computer in years that took more than 5 seconds to make it through bios.
    Then you probably haven't had a motherboard with add-on IDE/SATA controller, or motherboard with ICH7/8/9 in AHCI mode (both of which take 5-10 seconds to detect drives; interestingly, ICH10 removed this delay, and doesn't actually appear to use it's own BIOS to detect drives anymore). However, I did see some computers with AMI BIOS that has a turbo function, which'll normally start booting off your hard drive less than a second after you power the machine on (which can be a real pain if you need to get into BIOS, or select a different boot device).



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Is your bios set to do memory checks or has "quick boot" disabled?
     

    Interesting.

    I'll look into it.



  • @ender said:

    Then you probably haven't had a motherboard with add-on IDE/SATA controller, or motherboard with ICH7/8/9 in AHCI mode (both of which take 5-10 seconds to detect drives; interestingly, ICH10 removed this delay, and doesn't actually appear to use it's own BIOS to detect drives anymore).

    Obviously; it's a laptop.  Now, my colo'd server with SAS RAID10 takes 4 minutes to even get to the OS.

     

    @ender said:

    However, I did see some computers with AMI BIOS that has a turbo function, which'll normally start booting off your hard drive less than a second after you power the machine on (which can be a real pain if you need to get into BIOS, or select a different boot device).

    Honestly, boot time isn't that important to me.  I actually restart my laptop once a month, at most.  Coming up from S3 is snappy, which I do several times a day.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Obviously; it's a laptop.  Now, my colo'd server with SAS RAID10 takes 4 minutes to even get to the OS.
    Yeah, laptops are usually fast. As for servers, we recently sold an IBM server which uses UEFI instead of BIOS, which needs about 2 minutes before it'll let you turn it on after you connect power, and once you do that, it takes around 6 minutes before it even starts initializing the ROMs for various devices (RAID controller, network cards, remote management). 8 minutes to get to the OS bootloader.



  • @ender said:

    an IBM server which uses UEFI instead of BIOS, which needs about 2 minutes before it'll let you turn it on after you connect power, and once you do that, it takes around 6 minutes before it even starts initializing the ROMs for various devices (RAID controller, network cards, remote management). 8 minutes to get to the OS bootloader.
    So what's the upside of all this?



  • @belgariontheking said:

    @ender said:

    an IBM server which uses UEFI instead of BIOS, which needs about 2 minutes before it'll let you turn it on after you connect power, and once you do that, it takes around 6 minutes before it even starts initializing the ROMs for various devices (RAID controller, network cards, remote management). 8 minutes to get to the OS bootloader.
    So what's the upside of all this?

    After that, all programs seem to run really fast.



  • @belgariontheking said:

    @ender said:

    an IBM server which uses UEFI instead of BIOS, which needs about 2 minutes before it'll let you turn it on after you connect power, and once you do that, it takes around 6 minutes before it even starts initializing the ROMs for various devices (RAID controller, network cards, remote management). 8 minutes to get to the OS bootloader.
    So what's the upside of all this?

    Big Iron does a lot of shit and it has to do it right.  It takes awhile to initialize a RAID controller with a gig of battery-backed RAM, 16 cores, 128gb of ECC RAM and a quad-port Infiniband card.



  • @ender said:

    an IBM server which uses UEFI instead of BIOS, which needs about 2 minutes before it'll let you turn it on after you connect power, and once you do that, it takes around 6 minutes before it even starts initializing the ROMs for various devices (RAID controller, network cards, remote management). 8 minutes to get to the OS bootloader.
     

    😮 Suddenly my 33sec BIOS and 22sec Windows load don't seem to require any sort of optimization anymore.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Big Iron does a lot of shit and it has to do it right.  It takes awhile to initialize a RAID controller with a gig of battery-backed RAM, 16 cores, 128gb of ECC RAM and a quad-port Infiniband card.
    The 6 minute wait is before it starts initializing the hardware (which in that particular server consists of a LSI SAS RAID controller with 6 disks, 2 Broadcom network cards and IBM's version of iLo; btw, that RAID controller has the most awful configuration I've seen so far - you have a choice between command-line interface and a web interface [yes, during bootup], both of which seem to have been made specifically to get in your way of configuring anything).



  • @ender said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    Big Iron does a lot of shit and it has to do it right.  It takes awhile to initialize a RAID controller with a gig of battery-backed RAM, 16 cores, 128gb of ECC RAM and a quad-port Infiniband card.
    The 6 minute wait is before it starts initializing the hardware (which in that particular server consists of a LSI SAS RAID controller with 6 disks, 2 Broadcom network cards and IBM's version of iLo; btw, that RAID controller has the most awful configuration I've seen so far - you have a choice between command-line interface and a web interface [yes, during bootup], both of which seem to have been made specifically to get in your way of configuring anything).

    Right, but it's doing something during that 6 minutes.  Probably testing RAM or CPU.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Right, but it's doing something during that 6 minutes.  Probably testing RAM or CPU.

    For example, the old Sun Ultra Enterprise 450s would be dead to the world, other than lighting up the screen and blinking some lights, for the first 5 minutes of boot time.  *Unless*, of course, you booted it in debug mode.

    People needing to boot it in debug mode are advised to have two things:

    - A serial console, which is connected to another computer; said other computer is saving all of the stuff that's going to fly by.

    - At least half an hour to kill.

    Debug mode revealed it was performing very thorough checks on every chip on the motherboard.  It's possible it would also check things on some expansion boards also.  And, it did all of this with all memory caches disabled (except, of course, for purposes of being tested), just in case the fact that they passed their tests (at the start of this testing process for the L1 cache, and in the middle for L2) was a fluke.



  • I'm the one person on Earth who actually liked Vista, so Windows 7 is just a incremental update for me. From XP, it's a huge leap.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    I'm the one person on Earth who actually liked Vista, so Windows 7 is just a incremental update for me. From XP, it's a huge leap.

    I thought Vista was okay.  I don't love it, but it works.  Definitely better than OS X.



  •  I wouldn't say Vista was definitely better than OS X. Vista worked but it was a resource hog with all the flashy aero effects turned on, and OS X had it beat in terms of flashy effects, but in terms of price, Vista was the obvious choice. What is certain is that Windows 7 just blows OS X out of the water. Windows 7 is not a resource hog even with all the flashy aero effects turned on, and this time 7 beats X in terms of flashy effects. And, M$ even provided free 7 upgrades to people who bought certain laptops this past summer, as well as providing a 7 upgrade for just $30 to college students. Windows 7 just wins.


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