Talk me about bonuses



  • Lately we have been working our asses off with a lot of overtime. This was going to be a temporary thing when business kind of boomed upa couple of months ago. But now this shit has become the norm.

    This company has written in stone policy that says that no "extra hours" will ever be payed. EVER. Otherwise the owners will transform into Killer Gargoyles and will unleash mayhem on Earth.

    We have decided to not work overtime unless it's our fault, or something Extremely Urgent. (It almost never is).

    I have managed to get the sales teams and account excecutives to coordinate, prioritize and filter all requests to us through one "official" channel, so things are a little better. But still, there is not enough time, and we have management complaining to us about missed deadlines, when all delays are because of impossible deadlines set by the sales team, or a total clusterfuck of changes and specifications done by a bunch of post-teen-blackberry-bearers-ma-look-I-wear-a-suit excecutive wannabes.

    So, I told management my team's position, and unless we get some kind of compensation we are not doing overtime. So their options are:

    1. Hire more peple (not going to happen any time soon. In commie land it's getting too expensive to hire (or fire) employees).

    2. Hire contractors or outsource for bigger new projects. (Not going to happen unless the project is really large, and most projects are not)

    3. We get payed for overtime (Gargoyles)

    4. We (or I ) get fired. (Not possible right away. At least not this year).

    5. Everything stays behind schedule.

    6. We get some kind of bonus or compensation.

    So, upper management told me to come up with a bonus or compensation plan.

    So what forms of bonuses or compensation have worked for you?

    Raises and any kind of periodicall payment are out of the question because as usual, all the commie bullshit trying to protect the people, ends up fucking them (us) up.



  • Good to hear from you, commie.

    I really have nothing else to say.  I would tell you about my company's bonus system, but we're a consulting company so it wouldn't really be the same.

    Oh fuck it.

    It's a points system.  The top 10% get the biggest bonus, and on down.  Only the top 50% get a bonus.  This obviously wouldn't work for you guys because everyone's been working overtime and thus, everyone should get a bonus.  We get points for helping sales, having a high bill rate, and getting training.  This also wouldn't work for you.  Maybe if you figured out a good pay scale and point system, it could work.

    Otherwise, just institute the "Rico Point System" where everyone has to ask you how many points they have and you make up a number on the spot.



  •  They will pay bonuses but not overtime?  The solution seems simple: distribute the total amount of bonus monies according to overtime hours worked.  You'll just have to find some way to obfuscate this.



  • @fatdog said:

    impossible deadlines set by the sales team, or a total clusterfuck of changes and specifications done by a bunch of post-teen-blackberry-bearers-ma-look-I-wear-a-suit excecutive wannabes

    God I hate those people. "Let's redo everything from scratch to cater for this particular niche case so that I can get my commission". Fuck 'em.

    That said, profit sharing is the way we've gone. I doubt it'll work everywhere, and it's not that easy to implement, but if sales do well we do well.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

     They will pay bonuses but not overtime?  The solution seems simple: distribute the total amount of bonus monies according to overtime hours worked.  You'll just have to find some way to obfuscate this.

    I don't know yet if they will pay bonuses or not. And since there are currently no bonuses, there is nothing to distribute

    When I brought up that we are not working overtime unless being compensated, and since paying overtime by the hour is out of the question. They asked me to present a proposal on how should we be compensated.

    I thought of free blowjobs and cocaine, but I don't think they'll accept that.

    Getting a day off for every X amounts of overtime worked is a good idea, but there are legal burocratic communist issues with this.

    Since we can never know beforehand how many overtime hours needs to be worked on a certain project, and knowing the owners around here, we need to give at least one proposal that includes "closed" figures in advance. This is how they charge most of the clients anyway.

    As in: $XXXX per project, or X% of the total cost of the project, or if you finish XX% of projects on time, you'll get $XXX at the end of the year.

    I can see problems with each of these option, though I'm leaning towards the second one.

    We might not make as much as if we were being actually payed overtime by the hour, but the point here is to make the company know that their "do whatever the client asks" system, should have a profit penalty if they don't plan ahead and charge accordingly. Also we need to be motivated to make an extra effort to fix the other motherfuckers mistakes and lack of planning. And the only thing that motivates me is money, blowjobs and cocaine.



  • @fatdog said:

    They asked me to present a proposal on how should we be compensated.
    If they want to keep you all there, shouldn't they be the ones drawing up the proposals? Anyways..

     @fatdog said:

    As in: $XXXX per project, or X% of the total cost of the project, or if you finish XX% of projects on time, you'll get $XXX at the end of the year.

    I can see problems with each of these option, though I'm leaning towards the second one.

     Start at a number that's equivilant to 40 hours of labour, per team member, and see how high you can keep them?

     

    Incidentally, what's the job market round where you live/where you could move to? I seem to recall you missing out

    7. Threaten to leave if management don't sort out the situation. And be prepared to.



  • @PJH said:

    If they want to keep you all there, shouldn't they be the ones drawing up the proposals? Anyways..

    Yes, but I'm not quite sure how much they want to keep us all here. Maybe they are testing to see how much can they squeeze us. I don't want to risk my job quite yet and turn this into a union struggle, so I'll concede for now.

    @PJH said:

     Start at a number that's equivilant to 40 hours of labour, per team member, and see how high you can keep them?

    This seems like a good starting point to come up with a plan.

    @PJH said:

     

    Incidentally, what's the job market round where you live/where you could move to? I seem to recall you missing out

    7. Threaten to leave if management don't sort out the situation. And be prepared to.

    The job market is not as bad as other areas, and I'm pretty sure I could land a new job quite fast. I also can make a decent living just freelancing, so when and if the time comes, I'm not afraid to throw an ultimatum.

    But right now, the pros outweight the cons, and I'm feeding my resumé with a nice "Director" position and a lot of cool challenging projects.



  •  In jobs where extra payment has not been an option I've often settled for flex-time or time off in lieu.



  • @fatdog said:

    Getting a day off for every X amounts of overtime worked is a good idea, but there are legal burocratic communist issues with this.

    Ha ha ha, loser!  I'm so glad I live in a free country where the government doesn't interfere with the private sector and where people would rebel if the government tried to own and run businesses!



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @fatdog said:

    Getting a day off for every X amounts of overtime worked is a good idea, but there are legal burocratic communist issues with this.

    Ha ha ha, loser!  I'm so glad I live in a free country where the government doesn't interfere with the private sector and where people would rebel if the government tried to own and run businesses!

    That would never happen here.



  • @fatdog said:

    total clusterfuck of changes and specifications done by a bunch of post-teen-blackberry-bearers-ma-look-I-wear-a-suit excecutive wannabes
    There's a solution for that, but it involves dark alleys and piano wire.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Ha ha ha, loser!  I'm so glad I live in a free country where the government doesn't interfere with the private sector and where people would rebel if the government tried to own and run businesses!

    ok


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    You're proposing on relying on bonuses for overtime compensation? That's perhaps the worst idea in the history of employment.

    If they want you to work OT and don't want to pay for it outright, in conventional moneyz that you're GUARANTEED to get, don't work OT. Ever. What happens with bonuses is that they'll pay out until they make their first loss, and you'll never see it again. In the mean time, they'll have left your normal pay exactly as is and rolled everything up in your bonuses to make you more apt to work overtime - and the minute a red number appears on that balance sheet, you're back to where you started, but with the expectation that you're going to work tons of overtime.

    If they push the issue, leave. This is a classic symptom of management trying to treat developers as a free resource, and every time someone gets away with it, it makes it that much harder for the rest of us in the industry to get paid fairly.



  • Bonuses are something the company dangles in front of you to work harder, but then when the time comes to pay them out, the company says they don't have the money for it, and maybe next year.  You need to ask for a raise, not a bonus.



  • I appreciate all the advice on what we should, or need to do.

    But that's not what I was asking. I was asking for examples of possible bonuses systems.

    You don't know how the situation is here, and why there is no overtime paying, or why a raise is out of the question in the near future, or why management asked us to come with a proposal, instead of proposing it themselves.

    We can choose not work overtime. Nothing serious is going to happen anytime soon. We have been doing this for a couple of weeks

    But if we have a chance to make extra money to give that little "extra" it takes to finish shit on time, why blow it?

    We might go Socialist Union on their asses, or keep asking for more raises, or burn the place down and run with the stapler, whatever. That time might come sooner than later. In the meantime we are trying to make some extra money on shit we are most likely going to do anyway.

    Also not everyone in my team is willing to lose their job security over this.



  • @fatdog said:

    I appreciate all the advice on what we should, or need to do.

    But that's not what I was asking. I was asking for examples of possible bonuses systems.

    You don't know how the situation is here, and why there is no overtime paying, or why a raise is out of the question in the near future, or why management asked us to come with a proposal, instead of proposing it themselves.

    We can choose not work overtime. Nothing serious is going to happen anytime soon. We have been doing this for a couple of weeks

    But if we have a chance to make extra money to give that little "extra" it takes to finish shit on time, why blow it?

    We might go Socialist Union on their asses, or keep asking for more raises, or burn the place down and run with the stapler, whatever. That time might come sooner than later. In the meantime we are trying to make some extra money on shit we are most likely going to do anyway.

    Also not everyone in my team is willing to lose their job security over this.

    Given the limited information you've decided to/are able to give, I think you've had all the answers you're likely to get from here.

    Any further answers are going to be rehashes of previous ones, including the ones expecting more detail on why other suggestions are not valid.

    Or bad suggestions for bonus schemes. Here's one:

    Give bigger bonuses to those who create more lines of code. Or another:

    Bonuses to those who fix more bugs. (Not sure I saw the abuse of this one on here, but it would be abused.)

    To which the post I quote appears to be an reply to requests for information, but answers nothing.

    You've been given (new, I hope) ideas - time to take them to a union representative (or equivilent) or a legal service (CAB in the UK is a free one, I'm assuming you're not in the UK, but have similar services where you are.)



  • @PJH said:

    You've been given (new, I hope) ideas - time to take them to a union representative (or equivilent) or a legal service (CAB in the UK is a free one, I'm assuming you're not in the UK, but have similar services where you are.)

    He lives in Venezuela (it's the crappy country with lots of oil... no, not Iraq... no, not Saudi Arabia... it's the one in South America... it owns Citgo and has a fat President who doesn't bathe...).

     

    The idea of programmers/IT folk being unionized seems absurd and far-fetched, even for Commie Land.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    it's the crappy country with lots of oil... no, not Iraq... no, not Saudi Arabia...
    Oh, you mean Alaska?

    @morbiuswilters said:

    it's the one in South America...
    Yep, definitely Alaska.



  • @bstorer said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    it's the crappy country with lots of oil... no, not Iraq... no, not Saudi Arabia...
    Oh, you mean Alaska?

    Don't be an idiot, the oil would be nothing but frozen chunks in Alaska's subzero temperatures.  Alaska does produce many things, like that movie about the guy who was friends with bears until they ate him up, tons of dead moose to support our moose-foreskin-backed currency* and Sarah Palin (see previous).

     

    @bstorer said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    it's the one in South America...
    Yep, definitely Alaska.

    It's a shame we have to import dead moose and Sarah Palin from a hostile foreign nation when there's perfectly good moose to be killed here in America, along with an abundance of people in the Minnesota-ish area (gestures vaguely at map of Canada) with accents just like Palin's.  Given the right leadership, I think we could be freed of our dependence on foreign moose and hot-yet-slightly-goofy politicians.

     

    * I'm not too sure why we're now backing our currency with moose foreskin, but Bernanke seems to think it's a good idea and it's certainly a better investment than Citigroup or Chrysler.  At least you can actually eat moose foreskin.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @bstorer said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    it's the crappy country with lots of oil... no, not Iraq... no, not Saudi Arabia...
    Oh, you mean Alaska?

    Don't be an idiot, the oil would be nothing but frozen chunks in Alaska's subzero temperatures. 

    I call bullshit.  Look at Alaska; it's way the fuck down there south of Texas.  There's no way it has subzero temperatures:

    @morbiuswilters said:

     

    * I'm not too sure why we're now backing our currency with moose foreskin, but Bernanke seems to think it's a good idea and it's certainly a better investment than Citigroup or Chrysler.  At least you can actually eat moose foreskin.

    Leading economists warn that if we keep printing money, the supply of moose with foreskin left to harvest could dwindle, resulting in crippling hyperinflation.  That's why I favor a move to the Cockroach Genitalia Standard.  Let's not forget what happened to Zimbabwe when they needed to exceed peak wildebeest scrotum production.



  • @bstorer said:

    I call bullshit.  Look at Alaska; it's way the fuck down there south of Texas.  There's no way it has subzero temperatures:

    No, you idiot: the world is a giant ball, so if you keep going far enough south eventually you end up north.  That gray boundary between western Texas and northeastern Alaska is known as the "Bearing Straight" and it's hot on one side and cold on the other.  lern2geography

     

    @bstorer said:

    Leading economists warn that if we keep printing money, the supply of moose with foreskin left to harvest could dwindle, resulting in crippling hyperinflation.  That's why I favor a move to the Cockroach Genitalia Standard.  Let's not forget what happened to Zimbabwe when they needed to exceed peak wildebeest scrotum production.

    When will you people wake up to the wisdom of William Jennings Bryan and embrace Free Silver?  You want to crucify mankind on a cross of Cockroach Genitalia!



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @bstorer said:

    I call bullshit.  Look at Alaska; it's way the fuck down there south of Texas.  There's no way it has subzero temperatures:

    No, you idiot: the world is a giant ball, so if you keep going far enough south eventually you end up north.  That gray boundary between western Texas and northeastern Alaska is known as the "Bearing Straight" and it's hot on one side and cold on the other.  lern2geography

    Ah, but you're discounting all the heat generated by the volcanoes in nearby Hawaii.  It's so hot in Alaska that they have cool themselves down with those snowmachines Todd Palin loves so much.

     @morbiuswilters said:

    When will you people wake up to the wisdom of William Jennings Bryan and embrace Free Silver?  You want to crucify mankind on a cross of Cockroach Genitalia!
    Oh, please.  The only useful thing William Jennings Bryan ever did was to win the Scopes Trial, thus freeing us all from the evils of evolution forever.



  • @bstorer said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    @bstorer said:

    I call bullshit.  Look at Alaska; it's way the fuck down there south of Texas.  There's no way it has subzero temperatures:

    No, you idiot: the world is a giant ball, so if you keep going far enough south eventually you end up north.  That gray boundary between western Texas and northeastern Alaska is known as the "Bearing Straight" and it's hot on one side and cold on the other.  lern2geography

    Ah, but you're discounting all the heat generated by the volcanoes in nearby Hawaii.  It's so hot in Alaska that they have cool themselves down with those snowmachines Todd Palin loves so much.

     

    You're forgetting that heat travels up.  Ergo, Arizona and southern California are desert wastelands because of Hawaiian volcanoes.

     

    @bstorer said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    When will you people wake up to the wisdom of William Jennings Bryan and embrace Free Silver?  You want to crucify mankind on a cross of Cockroach Genitalia!
    Oh, please.  The only useful thing William Jennings Bryan ever did was to win the Scopes Trial, thus freeing us all from the evils of evolution forever.

    As if that weren't reason enough to celebrate the man!  The court injunction he won stopped that miserable, limey bastard Charles Darwin from tampering with the DNA of Americans, once and for all.  Even as we speak, the traitorous liberals who run our schools are trying to subvert the minds of our children into accepting Evolution as fact, in the hopes that one day activist Supreme Court justices will green light a DNA-tampering device of our own, just like the Large Hadron Collider in Communist Europe.



  • All right moderfoqers, I'm off to war.

    Gotta fight for my right make more monies...

    Long live the Savage Inhuman Capitalism.



  • @fatdog said:

    All right moderfoqers, I'm off to war.

     

    May your bayonet be stained with the blood of a hundred capitalist pig-dogs!  Viva la revolucion!



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @fatdog said:

    All right moderfoqers, I'm off to war.

     

    May your bayonet be stained with the blood of a hundred capitalist pig-dogs!  Viva la revolucion!

    Holy shit!  They get war parrots?!  I want a war parrot!



  • @bstorer said:

    Holy shit!  They get war parrots?!  I want a war parrot!

    Want a parrot? Join the party.

    Just don't teach it english words, or the other parrots might think it's a spy and gang rape it.



  • @fatdog said:

    @bstorer said:

    Holy shit!  They get war parrots?!  I want a war parrot!

    Want a parrot? Join the party.

    Just don't teach it english words, or the other parrots might think it's a spy and gang rape it.

    I love you.



  • @fatdog said:

    @bstorer said:

    Holy shit!  They get war parrots?!  I want a war parrot!

    Want a parrot? Join the party.

    Just don't teach it english words, or the other parrots might think it's a spy and gang rape it.

    I would kill a thousand capitalist pigs for a parrot.  I'd kill 1400 for a penguin.  There's a whole chart, if you're curious.  It's a lot like those fundraisers in elementary school.  You know, something like this:

    Prize Brochure



  • @bstorer said:

    I would kill a thousand capitalist pigs for a parrot.

    Does that price include the beret, or is that extra?



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @bstorer said:

    I would kill a thousand capitalist pigs for a parrot.

    Does that price include the beret, or is that extra?

    I didn't really pay attention during the assembly where they covered this stuff, but I think the parrot has to do its own killing for the beret.



  • @bstorer said:

    I didn't really pay attention during the assembly where they covered this stuff, but I think the parrot has to do its own killing for the beret.

    I can hook you up with a true Killer Parrot for a small fee, (worth about two months of your ration book)



  • @fatdog said:

    @bstorer said:

    I didn't really pay attention during the assembly where they covered this stuff, but I think the parrot has to do its own killing for the beret.

    I can hook you up with a true Killer Parrot for a small fee, (worth about two months of your ration book)

    That killer parrot doesn't have a beret, thus negating my entire theory.  This just proves how little attention I was paying at that assembly.  I guess it's six months in the reeducation camps for me.


  •  Too bad someone thought it was a good idea to elect a killer parrot as President of the United States.



  • @bob171123 said:

     Too bad someone thought it was a good idea to elect a killer parrot as President of the United States.

    Oh no you did not!... just... write that!

    How dare you hijack my serious thread with all your pollitical ignorance?

    Just... don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. 

     

    Obama! Obama!

    Obama! Obama!



  •  Watch what you're posting dude. Chavez might arrest you for that.



  • @bob171123 said:

     Watch what you're posting dude. Chavez might arrest you for that.

    nah don't worry man. I'm actually a cuban G2 agent infiltrating the enemy lines to do some counterintelligence for the new US socialist regime.
    Pretty soon we will make true Simon Bolívar's dream of a Unified America and Marx's dream of a New Man.
    (There is some Muslim dream to be thrown in there, but I don't think the leaders have figured yet how to mix Islam with Communism.)

    Just watch, it will be fun to tell your grandkids about the Revolution

    BTW, my intelligence sources just told me this thread has been flagged by the NSA, CIA, FBI, IRS, NRA, PETA and Fox News. So watchout or you'll be the one arrested/dissapeared



  • @fatdog said:

    (There is some Muslim dream to be thrown in there, but I don't think the leaders have figured yet how to mix Islam with Communism.)

    The mass murder, desperate poverty and boring culture aren't enough?



  • @fatdog said:



    (There is some Muslim dream to be thrown in there, but I don't think the leaders have figured yet how to mix Islam with Communism.)

     

    You'll need to pray in the direction of the White House five times a day for Obama to shower you with prosperity. If you're lucky enough he'll give you forty virgins when you die.



  • @bob171123 said:

    he'll give you forty virgins when you die.
     

    "I prefer forty slutty broads who know what the hell they're doing."



  • @dhromed said:

    @bob171123 said:

    he'll give you forty virgins when you die.
     

    "I prefer forty slutty broads who know what the hell they're doing."

     

    You gotta go to ACORN for that. It's theorized that Obama and ACORN still have a link but so far both deny it.



  • Back on Topic, here's one approach from the blackberry-toting-look-ma-i-wear-a-suit crowd:

    int bonus = 1024 + (1024 * ( percent_done_on_time * number_hours_overtime_worked) );

    Make sense? a constant amount of money ($1024) plus a variable amount, given the percent projects done on time times the number of overtime hours worked. So if you work 12 overtime hours a week, do 12 weeks total, and 10% of your projects' subprojects get done on time, thats 144/10 = 14, 14*1024 = 14336; so 15,360 total end bonus. Adjust values to make managment happy, this in essense is overtime pay based on project completion. Management might like int bonus = 1024 + (512 * ( percent_done_on_time * number_hours_overtime_worked / number_days_overtime_taken ) ); better, so just adjust your numbers accordingly. And keep a clipboard (by the front door, or near one of the entrances into Cube-Land, if thats what your company does) that lets those of you who work overtime note who they are and when they finally left (a sort of honor system. Its what Boeing uses, and it apparently worked quite nicely for long-haul projects, as people were inclined to work long hours but be honest about it because hey, there are other people in accounting that have to tally this shit up. Plus, the doors auto-locked at 8:00 and the alarm system kept track of doors. Collating the data was easy enough.)



  • @Indrora said:

    Back on Topic, here's one approach from the blackberry-toting-look-ma-i-wear-a-suit crowd:

    int bonus = 1024 + (1024 * ( percent_done_on_time * number_hours_overtime_worked) );

    Make sense? a constant amount of money ($1024) plus a variable amount, given the percent projects done on time times the number of overtime hours worked. So if you work 12 overtime hours a week, do 12 weeks total, and 10% of your projects' subprojects get done on time, thats 144/10 = 14, 14*1024 = 14336; so 15,360 total end bonus. Adjust values to make managment happy, this in essense is overtime pay based on project completion. Management might like int bonus = 1024 + (512 * ( percent_done_on_time * number_hours_overtime_worked / number_days_overtime_taken ) ); better, so just adjust your numbers accordingly. And keep a clipboard (by the front door, or near one of the entrances into Cube-Land, if thats what your company does) that lets those of you who work overtime note who they are and when they finally left (a sort of honor system. Its what Boeing uses, and it apparently worked quite nicely for long-haul projects, as people were inclined to work long hours but be honest about it because hey, there are other people in accounting that have to tally this shit up. Plus, the doors auto-locked at 8:00 and the alarm system kept track of doors. Collating the data was easy enough.)

    Dude, you expect me to do all that complex algoritmic mathematics?
    I can hardly use a calculator, just imagine what would happen to management.
    ..... wait.. I get it now! it's a distraction tactic isn't it? It's like getting them drunk to sign.
    Genius...

    BTW negotiations are on standby. We got an extra month added to our 2 month salary "Xmas bonus". And will restart discussion after we come back from vacation on january.

    (Also, parragraphs are your friend).



  • @fatdog said:

    Dude, you expect me to do all that complex algoritmic mathematics?
    I can hardly use a calculator, just imagine what would happen to management.
    ..... wait.. I get it now! it's a distraction tactic isn't it? It's like getting them drunk to sign.
    Genius...
    Why don't you just ask for eco-passes for every x hours of overtime? You can buy ecological things and stuff 🙂



  • @bjolling said:

    Why don't you just ask for eco-passes for every x hours of overtime? You can buy ecological things and stuff 🙂

    Ha. Good idea.
    I think we can ask for stocks from"Ahmadinejad Eco Nucular Inc". I've heard these are going to get hot soon. They are trying to save the planet from the evil polluting petroleum.



  • @fatdog said:

    (Also, parragraphs are your friend).
    Really? Oh... Ship... Where'd my <p> tags go? They've been stolen!!!!111111



  • @fatdog said:

    @Indrora said:
    Back on Topic, here's one approach from the blackberry-toting-look-ma-i-wear-a-suit crowd:

    int bonus = 1024 + (1024 * ( percent_done_on_time * number_hours_overtime_worked) );

    Make sense? a constant amount of money ($1024) plus a variable amount, given the percent projects done on time times the number of overtime hours worked. So if you work 12 overtime hours a week, do 12 weeks total, and 10% of your projects' subprojects get done on time, thats 144/10 = 14, 14*1024 = 14336; so 15,360 total end bonus. Adjust values to make managment happy, this in essense is overtime pay based on project completion. Management might like int bonus = 1024 + (512 * ( percent_done_on_time * number_hours_overtime_worked / number_days_overtime_taken ) ); better, so just adjust your numbers accordingly. And keep a clipboard (by the front door, or near one of the entrances into Cube-Land, if thats what your company does) that lets those of you who work overtime note who they are and when they finally left (a sort of honor system. Its what Boeing uses, and it apparently worked quite nicely for long-haul projects, as people were inclined to work long hours but be honest about it because hey, there are other people in accounting that have to tally this shit up. Plus, the doors auto-locked at 8:00 and the alarm system kept track of doors. Collating the data was easy enough.)

    Dude, you expect me to do all that complex algoritmic mathematics?

     

    It's the same math Chavez uses to determine when you use too much water or electricity and too determine if you're getting too rich. Actually, his math is more complicated so that only he can understand and you don't need to worry about it.



  • @bjolling said:

    Why don't you just ask for eco-passes for every x hours of overtime? You can buy ecological things and stuff 🙂

    Wow, eco-passes!  Just like real money, except not worth anything!



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Just like real money, except not worth anything!
     

    Reminds me of the Zimbabwean_dollar .



  • @ammoQ said:

    Reminds me of the Zimbabwean_dollar .
     

    Political pith never fails!


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