Tell us how you REALLY feel about Argentina. :)



  • From this morning's automated package updates (emphasis mine):

    Version 2009n-0ubuntu0.9.04.1: 
    
    • Add argentinas-dst-2009.diff: Disable DST switch for Argentina tomorrow,
      as the Argentina government decided yesterday. Careful planning is boring.
      Thanks to Margarita Manterola for the patch! (LP: #453165)

    The real WTF is, apparently, the Argentine government.



  • According to Wikipedia they only switched TO daylight saving time in 2007, which makes it even worse.



  • @fennec said:

    The real WTF is, apparently, the Argentine government.

    You should look for comments like that on Venezuela's time zone. Plenty should have been written when the government decided it will be cool and "different" to invent a new timezone (-4:30 GMT I think), and make everything change a half an hour so "kids don't have to wake so early to go to school".

    I guess it was easier to do this, than make schools open half an hour later.



  • @fatdog said:

    @fennec said:
    The real WTF is, apparently, the Argentine government.

    You should look for comments like that on Venezuela's time zone. Plenty should have been written when the government decided it will be cool and "different" to invent a new timezone (-4:30 GMT I think),.

    If they were really cool they would have made it -4:37 GMT

     



  • @fatdog said:

    @fennec said:
    The real WTF is, apparently, the Argentine government.

    You should look for comments like that on Venezuela's time zone. Plenty should have been written when the government decided it will be cool and "different" to invent a new timezone (-4:30 GMT I think), and make everything change a half an hour so "kids don't have to wake so early to go to school".

    I guess it was easier to do this, than make schools open half an hour later.

    I'm sure a large part of the reason for UTC-0430 was because your fat, smelly buffoon of a President just wanted to flip the bird to the US and show how powerful he is by single-handedly dictating the time.  Maybe Chavez's best bud Obama will force the US onto UTC-0430 to show solidarity in revolution against the free market and the prosperity it creates.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I'm sure a large part of the reason for UTC-0430 was because your fat, smelly buffoon of a President just wanted to flip the bird to the US and show how powerful he is by single-handedly dictating the time.  Maybe Chavez's best bud Obama will force the US onto UTC-0430 to show solidarity in revolution against the free market and the prosperity it creates.

    Yes, that too. But the kid's excuse is really cute.

    Now stop distorting reality and go watch some Oliver Stone's or Michael Moore's documentary, that will teach you a thing or two.

    (I'd tell you to read a book, but the evil wild capitalist pigs do not know how to read.)



  • @fatdog said:

    and make everything change a half an hour so "kids don't have to wake so early to go to school".

    I guess it was easier to do this, than make schools open half an hour later.

     

    That's why I don't understand Daylight Savings. I once said something like "why don't you just get up an hour earlier?" and someone replied "would you like to wake up at 5 in the morning?" - If you normally wake at 6, in summer you ARE waking up at 5!

    My state has no DST and that's the way I like it!



  •  I'm with you, brother!

     Whenever people discuss DST, and the problems it causes, I like to quote the old joke about the grandparents driving in their car:

    [Passenger Grandmother] Remember way back then, when we used to sit real close while driving?

    [Driver Grandfather] I haven't moved.

     



  • @Zemm said:

    That's why I don't understand Daylight Savings. I once said something like "why don't you just get up an hour earlier?" and someone replied "would you like to wake up at 5 in the morning?" - If you normally wake at 6, in summer you ARE waking up at 5!

    My state has no DST and that's the way I like it!

     

    Well, you can change you're rythm more easily if the "whole" world changes it with you. Still I too think it's unnecessary. Also the much stated economic benefit isn't that clear at all since research suggests it causes more (traffic) incidents (especially at the change from winter time to DST), depression and general sleep deprivation causing people to work more unproductive for a little while.



  • Unnecessary?

    I live in Queensland, where because some farmers said "the cows would be confused if we switched to DST", we didn't switch. So now every morning at 5am, the sun has already risen, and every night when I knock off from work, it's already set.

    All this means I never see the sun for more than an hour or two every day. Total bullshit.



  • @The Wolf said:

    Unnecessary?

    I live in Queensland, where because some farmers said "the cows would be confused if we switched to DST", we didn't switch. So now every morning at 5am, the sun has already risen, and every night when I knock off from work, it's already set.

    All this means I never see the sun for more than an hour or two every day. Total bullshit.

     

    rofl. I've actually heard a caller on a talk radio station arguing with the host that it was cruel to farm animals to switch to DST each year. She really believed they had to get up an hour earlier.



  • @dtech said:

    general sleep deprivation causing people to work more unproductive for a little while.
     

    That seems unlikely, given that it's just a single hour.

    @dtech said:

    lso the much stated economic benefit isn't that clear
     

    That rings true.

    The reason for DST is to balance power usage from lights, so that there's a net benefit. I'm not sure who made that up, as light is a fraction of the energy cost of a normal work day. How about my 400W PSU and my 100W monitor? Compare that to the puny 50W bulb that's on for only a few hours each day.

    Livestock farmers have a habit of going against DST, as they live on their animals' time, which don't give a shit about our clocks.



  • @Zemm said:

    That's why I don't understand Daylight Savings. I once said something like "why don't you just get up an hour earlier?" and someone replied "would you like to wake up at 5 in the morning?" - If you normally wake at 6, in summer you ARE waking up at 5!

    Which would be true if your body operated on a precise, digital clock.  However, our bodies are instead made to function in sync with the rising and setting of the sun, which in most populated areas occurs at different times every single day.  So in the summer 0800 is later in the day (according to your body) because the sun has been up for longer.  Hence the need to recalibrate social time to more closely match natural time.  Whether or not this is an important consideration in modern times is a different debate altogether, but your point is completely wrong.  If someone wakes up at the same natural time every day of the year (say, 1 hour after dawn) the civilian time they awake will vary dramatically.



  • @dhromed said:

    The reason for DST is to balance power usage from lights, so that there's a net benefit. I'm not sure who made that up, as light is a fraction of the energy cost of a normal work day. How about my 400W PSU and my 100W monitor? Compare that to the puny 50W bulb that's on for only a few hours each day.

    This argument comes from the first WWI, where DST was first implemented to conserve oil by making daylight extend to a later civilian time.  It's completely wrong for modern times, where power consumption is primarily concentrated in the middle of the day.  Even if it does save some off-peak electricity, that's hardly a net gain because peak demand doesn't drop and it creates more disparity which results in heaps of other problems.  Some farmers might still favor it, but that's not likely either.  For one thing, most farming is done on "corporate" farms which have less need to worry about civilian and natural time aligning.  Even for small farmers, it's hardly a necessity anymore to wake up with the sun and the rest of society and the economy is flexible enough that waking up a few hours before most people will be the inconvenience it once was.

     

    I really have no idea what the modern justification for sticking with DST is.  However, I really don't want to be stuck on standard time (sun up at 0345 during the summer, sun down by 1600 during the winter).  Why don't we just make DST the standard time so we can have later hours during the summer and winter?  As it is, it's usually dark when I get up in the winter anyway so I don't care if it's darker for a bit longer into my day, but I'd love to have an extra hour of daylight at the end of the day; having the sun go down at 4 PM is just depressing.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    having the sun go down at 4 PM is just depressing.
     

    Hey, it's normal here, one gets used to it, and only only happens in mid winter.

    I too prefer more light at the end rather than the start of the day.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I really have no idea what the modern justification for sticking with DST is.  However, I really don't want to be stuck on standard time (sun up at 0345 during the summer, sun down by 1600 during the winter).  Why don't we just make DST the standard time so we can have later hours during the summer and winter?  As it is, it's usually dark when I get up in the winter anyway so I don't care if it's darker for a bit longer into my day, but I'd love to have an extra hour of daylight at the end of the day; having the sun go down at 4 PM is just depressing.

    This function of DST is just a result of how our rhythm has crept later and later until it's so screwed up that we go to sleep in the middle of night and wake up well into the day. There's something in the human psyche that resists state change even in mundane things like going to bed or waking up, regardless of the position of the big ball of fire in the sky. We could just adjust everything to be 3 hours earlier and the problem would be solved. I bet it wouldn't take all that long for people to get used to getting up at 4am and going to bed at 8pm. Would solve the energy usage problem as well, as the standard workday would end at 2pm with plenty of daylight left.



  • Now stop distorting reality and go watch some Oliver Stone's or Michael Moore's documentary

    No thanks. I would just be participating in the corrupt capitalist system by sending my money to a rich, fat, white man if I bought a ticket.



  • @operagost said:

    Now stop distorting reality and go watch some Oliver Stone's or Michael Moore's documentary

    No thanks. I would just be participating in the corrupt capitalist system by sending my money to a rich, fat, white man if I bought a ticket.

    I've long realized the hypocrisy of Commie pieces of shit like Moore and Stone, but your comment just gave me an insight: these are fat, white, rich men who are lying for the sake of consolidating more power for themselves and their ilk.  My God, they are The Man.




  • The point of DST (Which, personally can be kind of fun to hack, telling someone to get up at 5MST on the swiching day) is to adjust or logical time system to that of the SUNS. anyone saying that "its cruel to animals" obviously does not understand that we have embedded within ourselves a time-sense that goes against the daily routine of the sun.



  • @Indrora said:


    The point of DST (Which, personally can be kind of fun to hack, telling someone to get up at 5MST on the swiching day) is to adjust or logical time system to that of the SUNS. anyone saying that "its cruel to animals" obviously does not understand that we have embedded within ourselves a time-sense that goes against the daily routine of the sun.


    WTF?  Why did you make this in reply to my Michael Moore/Oliver Stone post?

     

    And what you are saying is exactly what I said above.  Are you sure you weren't meaning to reply to someone else entirely?



  • @Indrora said:

    The point of DST is to adjust our logical time system to that of the SUN
     

    No, DST is not a correction for cosmic inaccuracies compared to our timekeeping. It is a correction for human folly, producing other human folly. The benefits are tenuous and statistically indemonstrable; the drawbacks are manifold. In other words, It doesn't do any good [anymore] and it's just another annoyance of modern life.

     

    Let's blame this guy. >: (

    shakes fist

    Also, this is amusing.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    I'm surprised no-one's linked to the Snopes article about DST.

    Or to linked to the same stuff (in the letter they discuss) presented as serious fact.

    Google 'snopes daylight savings' for those interested - copy/paste isn't working here. (A WTF I've commented on previously.)

     



  • Why do we have timezones in the first place? Why not just stick with GMT so the whole world is on the same clock? 

    My brother said "because it would be too weird - you'd go to bed at 7:00 am and wake up at  3:00 pm" - but so what? The current time is nothing more than a number. Just because we've gotten used to one system shouldn't be a reason not to switch to a better, less complicated system. "We've always done it this way" is the reason why Americans still aren't on the metric system!



  • @Huf Lungdung said:

    "We've always done it this way" is the reason why Americans still aren't on the metric system!
    No, that's because the metric system blows.



  • @dhromed said:

    @dtech said:

    general sleep deprivation causing people to work more unproductive for a little while.
     

    That seems unlikely, given that it's just a single hour.

    @dtech said:

    lso the much stated economic benefit isn't that clear
     

    That rings true.

    The reason for DST is to balance power usage from lights, so that there's a net benefit. I'm not sure who made that up, as light is a fraction of the energy cost of a normal work day. How about my 400W PSU and my 100W monitor? Compare that to the puny 50W bulb that's on for only a few hours each day.

    Livestock farmers have a habit of going against DST, as they live on their animals' time, which don't give a shit about our clocks.

    The psu likely isn't drawing all 400 watts
    most of the time. I've got an 800w and some high-end equipment, but if my ups is accurate it's normally using only around 160 watts. Not sure about the monitor though. But I'd bet most businesses and homes are running more than 50 watts of lighting.



  • @bstorer said:

    @Huf Lungdung said:

    "We've always done it this way" is the reason why Americans still aren't on the metric system!
    No, that's because the metric system blows.

    Blow is measured in metric.

    At least the american drug dealers and cops know better



  • @fatdog said:

    @bstorer said:

    @Huf Lungdung said:

    "We've always done it this way" is the reason why Americans still aren't on the metric system!
    No, that's because the metric system blows.

    Blow is measured in metric.

    At least the american drug dealers and cops know better

    No, the drug dealers referred to it in metric units because the law enforcement had no idea what it meant.  "Chief, we got a report that they're bringing in a hundred kilos of cocaine tonight."  "How much is that?  Like a pound?  Enough to fill a baseball stadium?"  "No clue, I was hoping you'd know."

    Nowadays the cops have caught on enough to enter "100 kilos in pounds" into Google.  The dealers still use it because they think it's some sort of cool street slang.



  • @shadowman said:

    The psu likely isn't drawing all 400 watts
    most of the time. I've got an 800w and some high-end equipment, but if my ups is accurate it's normally using only around 160 watts. Not sure about the monitor though. But I'd bet most businesses and homes are running more than 50 watts of lighting.

    Lighting is probably only a fraction of your energy consumption, though.  In my home alone, lighting is dwarfed by heating/cooling, electronics and lights for my plants.



  • @bstorer said:

    No, the drug dealers referred to it in metric units because the law enforcement had no idea what it meant.  "Chief, we got a report that they're bringing in a hundred kilos of cocaine tonight."  "How much is that?  Like a pound?  Enough to fill a baseball stadium?"  "No clue, I was hoping you'd know."

    Nowadays the cops have caught on enough to enter "100 kilos in pounds" into Google.  The dealers still use it because they think it's some sort of cool street slang.

    I thought "kilo" was cool street slang, but it's actually short for "kilometer"??

     

    You mean to tell me this whole time I've been buying drugs I've actually been using the metric system?!  Motherfucker.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I thought "kilo" was cool street slang, but it's actually short for "kilometer"??

     

    You mean to tell me this whole time I've been buying drugs I've actually been using the metric system?!  Motherfucker.

    That's allways been part of the plan. Sell the gringos drugs, and in the process, make them start using the metric system, then they will choose a black socialist president...

    It's just like a little crack on the dam of Evil Capitalist Empire.

    Soon it will collapse on it's own weight.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @shadowman said:

    The psu likely isn't drawing all 400 watts
    most of the time. I've got an 800w and some high-end equipment, but if my ups is accurate it's normally using only around 160 watts. Not sure about the monitor though. But I'd bet most businesses and homes are running more than 50 watts of lighting.

    Lighting is probably only a fraction of your energy consumption, though. 

    Almost definitely.  For example, have you seen the power consumption numbers for flat-screen TVs?
    @morbiuswilters said:
    In my home alone, lighting is dwarfed by heating/cooling, electronics and lights for my plants.
    Right... lights for your "plants"... 



  • @PJH said:

    Google 'snopes daylight savings' for those interested - copy/paste isn't working here. (A WTF I've commented on previously.)
     

     

    from snopes.com:

    document.onmousedown=disableselect

     



  • @shadowman said:

    But I'd bet most businesses and homes are running more than 50 watts of lighting.

    I agree with this statement as it's written.  However, as it *should* be written - per employee, there's quite a few companies which are running less than 50 watts of lighting, thanks to the efficiencies of florescent lighting.  Of course, if the shop has twelve florescent lights on for just a couple of employees, like sometimes happens, they're still over 50 watts per employee.

    That having been said, I feel the need to point out that my employer, and just about every other business I've visited recently, turns on the lights at the start of the work day, and leaves them on throughout the day, regardless of how much light they get from the sun.  If we advanced our clocks by 12 hours, so that the peak of our day was around midnight, when cooling's cheaper, we wouldn't spend any more on lighting than we do now.

    (Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting a 12 hour shift would be a good plan.  Thanks to seasonal disaffective disorder, some people could not cope with that very well.  I'm just saying.)



  • @tdb said:

    This function of DST is just a result of how our rhythm has crept later and later until it's so screwed up that we go to sleep in the middle of night and wake up well into the day. There's something in the human psyche that resists state change even in mundane things like going to bed or waking up, regardless of the position of the big ball of fire in the sky. We could just adjust everything to be 3 hours earlier and the problem would be solved. I bet it wouldn't take all that long for people to get used to getting up at 4am and going to bed at 8pm. Would solve the energy usage problem as well, as the standard workday would end at 2pm with plenty of daylight left.

    If it keeps on creeping, maybe we'll react synchronicity with UTC someday! That would be useful.

    Also, Swatch Internet Time would have been useful if they'd actually synced it with UTC instead of being all "the meridian passes through the company headquarters" as a marketing gimmick. Universal, metric time would be handy to have someday.



  • DST in modern times is useful for hosting companies.  It creates a non-existent hour when going from summer to winter time in which server admins can do whatever the hell it is that they do to servers, without it counting against the downtime. Added benefit, you also don't have to pay them for that hour. 

    At least that's a story I've heard at some point.



  • @stratos said:

    DST in modern times is useful for hosting companies.  It creates a non-existent hour when going from summer to winter time in which server admins can do whatever the hell it is that they do to servers, without it counting against the downtime. Added benefit, you also don't have to pay them for that hour. 

    At least that's a story I've heard at some point.

    I find this highly dubious.  Customers would still complain and any attempt to weasel out of SLAs would almost certainly be illegal.  Besides, hosting companies usually work on UTC because they are hosting end-users all over the world.



  • DST in modern times is useful for hosting companies. It creates a non-existent hour when going from summer to winter time in which server admins can do whatever the hell it is that they do to servers, without it counting against the downtime. Added benefit, you also don't have to pay them for that hour.

    At least that's a story I've heard at some point.





    Someone doesn't have a grasp of the fact that DST happens at a SET hour, on the dot (usually 2am on a Sunday). Clock time changes for [b]everyone[/b] at that point. Unless sysadmins have also managed to master quantum theory and create a time machine where they can somehow regain that lost hour while everyone else changes their watches I don't think they'll be patching anything.


    Unless you're talking hosting in another country or time zone, but at the same time (pun intended) downtime is still downtime. It's just your perception of it on your wristwatch that has changed.


    Whateverthehellitiswedotoservers also often takes more than an hour. Unless sysadmins all work on the LOST island.




  • @Nyquist said:

    Whateverthehellitiswedotoservers also often takes more than an hour. Unless sysadmins all work on the LOST island.
     

    ... or they have a gun to the head and a blonde bimbo giving them head. in that case anything can be done in 60 seconds.



  •  You could believe something foolish like that, or you could try reading the real history/reasons behind it...

    http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/index.html



  •  Ahhh! I feel refreshed afterhaving an hour extra in bed after we switched back to GMT this morning from British Summer Time. Yay for me!

     My twin sons were up earlier (well, same time as they're concerned cos they can't tell time yet), but that means they'll be tired before their regular bedtime, so they'll be going to sleep earlier! Double yay! :-)

     



  • @morbiuswilters said:



    @stratos said:


    DST in modern times is useful for hosting companies.  It creates a non-existent hour when going from summer to winter time in which server admins can do whatever the hell it is that they do to servers, without it counting against the downtime. Added benefit, you also don't have to pay them for that hour.

    At least that's a story I've heard at some point.



    I find this highly dubious.  Customers would still complain and any attempt to weasel out of SLAs would almost certainly be illegal.  Besides, hosting companies usually work on UTC because they are hosting end-users all over the world.



    Well we are not talking very good hosting companies, because I would expect most hosting companies to be able to do maintenance without any down time. This is more a thing for the small hosting companies that mainly deal with local customers.
    But when they schedule the maintenance in this night they can say the servers will be down between 12:00 pm and 4:00 am. Which gives them 5 hours of time to work. No time machine necessary.

    And when we are talking about a company that schedules down time they most likely don't give SLA's with 5 9's up-time guarantee.

    But then again, I've not witnessed this, just heard it being told as an off-hand-comment at a cocktail party. So while I can see the benefit of doing maintenance in a night with one hour extra, I certainly don't have any proof that this actually happens.



  • @The Wolf said:

    All this means I never see the sun for more than an hour or two every day. Total bullshit.
     

    Then change your working hours. I used to work 9-6 and last summer I often went to the beach before work. Now my work has moved out of Surfers Paradise I can't really make it to the beach before work so I work 8-5 and get the afternoon sun. Effectively the same as DST without having to change clocks. With twilight it's still light after 7pm in summer. Check here.

    @The Wolf said:

    I live in Queensland, where because some farmers said "the cows would be confused if we switched to DST", we didn't switch. So now every morning at 5am, the sun has already risen

    I remember in the late 1980's there was a DST trial in Queensland. In October we had to wake up before dawn when a week earlier the sun was already up for wake-up time. That's bullshit when you are in primary school!



  •  @morbiuswilters said:

    @Zemm said:

    That's why I don't understand Daylight Savings. I once said something like "why don't you just get up an hour earlier?" and someone replied "would you like to wake up at 5 in the morning?" - If you normally wake at 6, in summer you ARE waking up at 5!

    Which would be true if your body operated on a precise, digital clock.  However, our bodies are instead made to function in sync with the rising and setting of the sun, which in most populated areas occurs at different times every single day.  So in the summer 0800 is later in the day (according to your body) because the sun has been up for longer.  Hence the need to recalibrate social time to more closely match natural time.  Whether or not this is an important consideration in modern times is a different debate altogether, but your point is completely wrong.  If someone wakes up at the same natural time every day of the year (say, 1 hour after dawn) the civilian time they awake will vary dramatically.

    I'd be more than happy to get up when my body feels like it. Social (or rather employer) requirements dictate that I get up when the Alarm Clock rings, not when my body feels relaxed enough to wake up. Therefore, DST really does affect me. Otherwise, I wouldn't give a damn.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I really have no idea what the modern justification for sticking with DST is.

    Just so that every inhabitant of a DST-enforcing country/state has this very same discussion for 2 to 3 weeks at each clock change. Thus they do not rant anymore on having a (black socialist|short white monarchic) president. Or whatever they rant about instead of trying to change What Is Really Bad.



  • @TheRider said:

     @morbiuswilters said:

    @Zemm said:

    That's why I don't understand Daylight Savings. I once said something like "why don't you just get up an hour earlier?" and someone replied "would you like to wake up at 5 in the morning?" - If you normally wake at 6, in summer you ARE waking up at 5!

    Which would be true if your body operated on a precise, digital clock.  However, our bodies are instead made to function in sync with the rising and setting of the sun, which in most populated areas occurs at different times every single day.  So in the summer 0800 is later in the day (according to your body) because the sun has been up for longer.  Hence the need to recalibrate social time to more closely match natural time.  Whether or not this is an important consideration in modern times is a different debate altogether, but your point is completely wrong.  If someone wakes up at the same natural time every day of the year (say, 1 hour after dawn) the civilian time they awake will vary dramatically.

    I'd be more than happy to get up when my body feels like it. Social (or rather employer) requirements dictate that I get up when the Alarm Clock rings, not when my body feels relaxed enough to wake up. Therefore, DST really does affect me. Otherwise, I wouldn't give a damn.

    Which has nothing to do with what I said.  For one thing, your complaint about having to get up applies to any modern society and has little to do with DST.  Additionally, without DST you'd probably be worse off if you are in sync with the sun, because the sun is going to be up for an extra hour before you would normally get up.  This will result in you waking up an hour earlier than you need to or feeling somewhat sluggish and like you over-slept if you get up at your normal time, due to the sun being significantly advanced in the sky.  Of course, none of this applies if you aren't in sync with the sun, but if that's the case why would you care?

     

    My reply to Zemm was sensible, although you seemed to miss the point.  If somebody wakes up when the sun is in the same relative position in the sky year-round, the civil time they wake up will vary dramatically.  Telling them to just "wake up an hour early" misses the point, because then that person has an extra hour in the morning before everyone else becomes active.  I'm not saying that some people having sensitive rhythms is a good reason to make everyone adjust the clock twice a year, but Zemm's "advice" just plain misses the point.



  • @Mithfindel said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    I really have no idea what the modern justification for sticking with DST is.

    Just so that every inhabitant of a DST-enforcing country/state has this very same discussion for 2 to 3 weeks at each clock change. Thus they do not rant anymore on having a (black socialist|short white monarchic) president. Or whatever they rant about instead of trying to change What Is Really Bad.

    It also fills the coffers of Big Daylight and the corporations that control everything.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    My reply to Zemm was sensible, although you seemed to miss the point.  If somebody wakes up when the sun is in the same relative position in the sky year-round, the civil time they wake up will vary dramatically.  Telling them to just "wake up an hour early" misses the point, because then that person has an extra hour in the morning before everyone else becomes active.  I'm not saying that some people having sensitive rhythms is a good reason to make everyone adjust the clock twice a year, but Zemm's "advice" just plain misses the point.

    That may make sense close to the equator, but here in Southern Finland (60°N) the difference between dawn at midsummer and midwinter is around 8 hours. One hour of DST doesn't matter much - if you're dependent on the sun, your rhythm is screwed anyway. Seven more degrees North and we hit the Arctic Circle, with the Sun not coming up at all in midwinter. There's no way that can be compensated for with DST.



  • @tdb said:

    That may make sense close to the equator, but here in Southern Finland (60°N) the difference between dawn at midsummer and midwinter is around 8 hours. One hour of DST doesn't matter much - if you're dependent on the sun, your rhythm is screwed anyway. Seven more degrees North and we hit the Arctic Circle, with the Sun not coming up at all in midwinter. There's no way that can be compensated for with DST.

    Oh, so that's why Finnish Vampires get fat in winter. Cool.


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