Search Engine Shennanigans



  • I mostly use IE6 still. Somehow I found myself using a computer with the new IE (version 8 I guess?) this morning, and I ran into something that reminds me why I still use IE6 in spite of the haters.

    When using the little "search" textbox near the top right corner of the browser window, one is directed to "Bing" instead of Google. This is the default search site (instead of Google, the obvious default choice). In fact, there are no other options unless one clicks a tiny "Find Other Providers..." link buried at the bottom of a deeply-nested settings dialog. Free-form typing of GOOGLE.COM is not allowed. The link provided instead directs to a slooooow Microsoft website where one can indeed find a "Google" selection, although even here it is buried among irrelevant listings for Lycos, AskJeeves, etc. 

    I hate this. Someone really trying to make a good browser would default the search to Google, or at least provide it as a real option. But Microsoft can't make a browser without allowing its ulterior motives to show.

    And I hate the way all of this is couched in a quasi-helpful user interface which blithely pretends to be helping you make it through some kind of selection process for search engines. Sorry, Bill, the selection process is already over, and you lost. 

    I run into a lot of flack for using IE6. Supposedly certain software won't run right in IE6. I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for that, though. My end users upgraded from IE6 (directly to IE8, I think) and they didn't have any problems whatsoever. I heard about it after the fact in passing.

    I propose a clean room effort to recreate the functionality of IE6 and deliver its wholesome goodness to the world in public domain form.I further propose that the resultant product should be unencumbered by copyleft restrictions, so that businesses can customize, repackage, and redistribute the product on a for-profit basis. That's where the future lies.

     



  • Obvious troll is obvious.



  • @bridget99 said:

    I ran into something that reminds me why I still use IE6 in spite of the haters.
    A severe brain injury?

    @bridget99 said:

    I propose a clean room effort to recreate the functionality of IE6 and deliver its wholesome goodness to the world in public domain form.I further propose that the resultant product should be unencumbered by copyleft restrictions, so that businesses can customize, repackage, and redistribute the product on a for-profit basis. That's where the future lies.
    Yup, brain injury.



  • @bridget99 said:

    I mostly use IE<snip>
    Well, there's your problem



  • @DOA said:

    @bridget99 said:

    I mostly use IE<snip>
    Well, there's your problem

     

    At least it doesn't try and trick me into using "Bing." 

    Seriously, do these people have any business plan other than "tricking Grandma?" Or is that all there is left?



  • @bstorer said:

    @bridget99 said:

    I ran into something that reminds me why I still use IE6 in spite of the haters.
    A severe brain injury?

    @bridget99 said:

    I propose a clean room effort to recreate the functionality of IE6 and deliver its wholesome goodness to the world in public domain form.I further propose that the resultant product should be unencumbered by copyleft restrictions, so that businesses can customize, repackage, and redistribute the product on a for-profit basis. That's where the future lies.
    Yup, brain injury.

    You got trolled, son.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @bstorer said:

    @bridget99 said:

    I ran into something that reminds me why I still use IE6 in spite of the haters.
    A severe brain injury?

    @bridget99 said:

    I propose a clean room effort to recreate the functionality of IE6 and deliver its wholesome goodness to the world in public domain form.I further propose that the resultant product should be unencumbered by copyleft restrictions, so that businesses can customize, repackage, and redistribute the product on a for-profit basis. That's where the future lies.
    Yup, brain injury.

    You got trolled, son.

    Nah, I just enjoy a really pathetic troll now and then.  I'm dying to see where the hell he can go with this.



  • You could upgrade to Firefox.

     



  • We've been over this before.  It defaults to Bing because they have confidence in their product and want to promote it.  They default to bing for the same reason Chrome defaults to Google.

    Additionally, I did not experience the resistance that you experienced when trying to switch, presumably because don't live in my parents' basement reading Slashdot's RSS feed obsessively.

    You basically have about 200 words of "OMG GOOGLE IS TEH BEST WHY WOULDN'T THEY USE IT WTFWTF ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!!!111ONE"

    Have you met zzo38 or jspenguin?  I think you would get along.  

    I second pesto's "brain damage" explanation.



  • @DOA said:

    @bridget99 said:

    I mostly use IE<snip>
    Well, there's your problem

     

    By the way, even though we don't agree, I really appreciate your willingness to stick out your metaphorical neck and express an unpopular opinion. Years from now, when everyone else has, like you, realized the backwardness of IE6, you will perhaps be celebrated as a visionary, even a hero; a sort of Patrice Lamumba of hypertext. Until then, you stand alone, backed by only a billion or so other fanboy visionaries, against the juggernaut of IE6 users that threatens to overwhelm the internet.

    Is it cold up there on your majestic pedestal? Do you stand so high on it that the faraway flutter of angel wings sometimes interrupts your erudite thoughts? Such is the life of the lonely champion of a noble but forgotten cause, DOA. It's not easy being an IE6 hater.

    Take solace in the strengths of the others who have gone before you: the lonely Michael Jordan fans, the elite few who really "got" The Matrix, the hard-bitten cadre of motorists who cling to their Toyotas while everyone else laughs. Alone they suffer, these saints of unconventionality, and you, DOA, have been called to their number. 



  • @dtobias said:

    You could upgrade to Firefox.

    Fool!  Firefox is a memory hog and lacks the basic flaws functionality IE6 provides!



  •  I like ponies.



  • Obviously a troll, but for the benefit of others that haven't used IE8 I'll point out the factual inaccuracies.

    Changing the provider can be done from the drop down button right next to the search button where it appears at the top level. No need to go through lots of settings dialogs. Typing google.com into the search box takes you to the search results page where google is the top result. Typing it into the address bar takes you straight to google.

    Pretty much all as you'd expect. Nothing to see here, move along.

     



  • @bridget99 said:

    @DOA said:

    @bridget99 said:

    I mostly use IE<snip>
    Well, there's your problem

     

    By the way, even though we don't agree, I really appreciate your willingness to stick out your metaphorical neck and express an unpopular opinion. Years from now, when everyone else has, like you, realized the backwardness of IE6, you will perhaps be celebrated as a visionary, even a hero; a sort of Patrice Lamumba of hypertext. Until then, you stand alone, backed by only a billion or so other fanboy visionaries, against the juggernaut of IE6 users that threatens to overwhelm the internet.

    Meh, I've seen epic trolling. This isn't even close. Although +1 for eloquence.



  • @bridget99 said:

    @DOA said:

    @bridget99 said:

    I mostly use IE<snip>
    Well, there's your problem

     

    By the way, even though we don't agree, I really appreciate your willingness to stick out your metaphorical neck and express an unpopular opinion. Years from now, when everyone else has, like you, realized the backwardness of IE6, you will perhaps be celebrated as a visionary, even a hero; a sort of Patrice Lamumba of hypertext. Until then, you stand alone, backed by only a billion or so other fanboy visionaries, against the juggernaut of IE6 users that threatens to overwhelm the internet.

    Is it cold up there on your majestic pedestal? Do you stand so high on it that the faraway flutter of angel wings sometimes interrupts your erudite thoughts? Such is the life of the lonely champion of a noble but forgotten cause, DOA. It's not easy being an IE6 hater.

    Take solace in the strengths of the others who have gone before you: the lonely Michael Jordan fans, the elite few who really "got" The Matrix, the elite cadre of motorists who cling to their Toyotas while everyone else laughs. Alone they suffered, these saints of unconventionality, and you, DOA, have been called to their number. 

    See, morbs?  Wasn't this totally worth it?  It's like a work of post-modern art.  He probably thought of one line first and built the rest of it over the course of weeks.  It was probably the "Patrice Lumumba of hypertext" part.  I'd love to see the revision history on the text file where he's been working on this.  My guess at the progression is Ghandi (too obvious) -> Crispus Attucks (not esoteric enough) -> Patrice Lumumba.



  • @Mithious said:

    Changing the provider can be done from the drop down button right next to the search button where it appears at the top level.

     

    It's possible to access that "Find More Providers" site using the drop-down. There is certainly no "Google" entry there. This is marginally easier than the technique I outlined for changing search provider, assuming one is using a mouse and has very good aim. On my display that little drop-down is about 9 pixels wide.

    @Mithious said:

    Typing google.com into the search box takes you to the search results page where google is the top result. Typing it into the address bar takes you straight to google.

    Oh, so I can use Bing to search for Google? Wow, they've really added a lot of value there. Bing can't lead or follow, but it can (almost) get out of the way. 

    And it's nice of you to point out that typing Google.com into the address bar still works. Thank God for small favors. IE9 will probably take you to some kind of "reeducation wizard" instead.

     

     



  • @bridget99 said:

    It's possible to access that "Find More Providers" site using the drop-down. There is certainly no "Google" entry there.

    Eh... How about fourth line in the left column, right below Bing? Though it amuses me that there is still AOL search and ask.com.

     



  • @dtobias said:

    You could upgrade to Firefox.

     

    A person dedicated to IE6 is not interested in a feature-rich browser with all kinds of addons, and is therefore better off with a simple but modern one, such as Chrome. Firefox (3, 3.5) launches uncomfortably slow on machines that are older than 6 months and slightly not-so-well-maintained.

    I find that almost every little feature detail works better in FFX, but that's just me, no matter how many arguments I can spawn.



  •  @alegr said:

    @bridget99 said:

    It's possible to access that "Find More Providers" site using the drop-down. There is certainly no "Google" entry there.

    Eh... How about fourth line in the left column, right below Bing? Though it amuses me that there is still AOL search and ask.com.

     

    I am unable to locate Google in IE8. I clicked the blue dropdownbutton next to the search field, select "Find More Providers" (assuming it's the same option. I have a Dutch version), and there were 4 listed, sans Google. The default is Live Search, which actually goes to Bing.



  • @alegr said:

    @bridget99 said:

    It's possible to access that "Find More Providers" site using the drop-down. There is certainly no "Google" entry there.

    Eh... How about fourth line in the left column, right below Bing? Though it amuses me that there is still AOL search and ask.com.

     

    I meant that "Use Google" is not an option in the drop-down. Yes, it is on the "Find More Providers" page.

    I think that had they defaulted to Bing but left an easy way to use Google, people would have found this to be an acceptable, even democratic, approach. Even then, they would have succeeded in their goal of getting Bing some visibility. The way they've implemented this is just heavy-handed and offensive.



  • I mostly use IE8 still. Somehow I found myself using a computer with the new Firefox (3.5.2 I guess?) this morning, and I ran into something that reminds me why I still use IE8 in spite of the haters.

    When using the little "search" textbox near the top right corner of the browser window, one is directed to "Google" instead of Bing. This is the default search site (instead of Bing, the obvious default choice). In fact, there are no other options unless one visits this strange addon site whose link is hidden in a sub-dialog which can only be accessed by a confusing menu command. Free-form typing of BING.COM is not allowed. The link provided instead directs to a slooooow Mozilla website where one can indeed find a "Bing" selection, although even here it is buried among irrelevant listings for NoScript, FasterFox, FireSomething, etc.

    I hate this. Someone really trying to make a good browser would default the search to Bing, or at least provide it as a real option. But Mozilla can't make a browser without allowing its ulterior motives to show.

    And I hate the way all of this is couched in a quasi-helpful user interface which blithely pretends to be helping you make it through some kind of selection process for search engines. Sorry, Mitchell, the selection process is already over, and you lost.

    etc.



  • @dhromed said:

    @dtobias said:

    You could upgrade to Firefox.

     

    A person dedicated to IE6 is not interested in a feature-rich browser with all kinds of addons, and is therefore better off with a simple but modern one, such as Chrome. Firefox (3, 3.5) launches uncomfortably slow on machines that are older than 6 months and slightly not-so-well-maintained.

    I find that almost every little feature detail works better in FFX, but that's just me, no matter how many arguments I can spawn.

     

    Actually, I do use Firefox on my own computer. I installed Chrome as well, although I find the GUI to be a bit too spartan for my taste.

    The problem is that I spend equal time, if not more time, using other computers, typically with fresh installations of XP. And the out-of-the box configuration I have been running into lately contains IE8.

    There are a whole host of other nuisances associated with having to constantly use "brand new" PCs that I have to suffer pretty much by myself. Defaults are a big deal for me; many people only experience the default, out-of-the-box configuration every couple of years, and they don't understand how anyone can ever complain about a changeable default.

    My feeling is that the default should be reasonable, and easily changeable, and "Bing" in IE8 is neither.



  • @garyniger said:

    I mostly use IE8 still. Somehow I found myself using a computer with the new Firefox (3.5.2 I guess?) this morning, and I ran into something that reminds me why I still use IE8 in spite of the haters.

    When using the little "search" textbox near the top right corner of the browser window, one is directed to "Google" instead of Bing. This is the default search site (instead of Bing, the obvious default choice). In fact, there are no other options unless one visits this strange addon site whose link is hidden in a sub-dialog which can only be accessed by a confusing menu command. Free-form typing of BING.COM is not allowed. The link provided instead directs to a slooooow Mozilla website where one can indeed find a "Bing" selection, although even here it is buried among irrelevant listings for NoScript, FasterFox, FireSomething, etc.

    I hate this. Someone really trying to make a good browser would default the search to Bing, or at least provide it as a real option. But Mozilla can't make a browser without allowing its ulterior motives to show.

    And I hate the way all of this is couched in a quasi-helpful user interface which blithely pretends to be helping you make it through some kind of selection process for search engines. Sorry, Mitchell, the selection process is already over, and you lost.

    etc.

     

    Oooh! Do one with the "Gary the Frame Fairy" post!



  • @bridget99 said:

    IE8 is horrible, because in one of its new features, it defaults to a Microsoft service.

    I lol'ed.



  •  They did leave an easy way to use google. Go to google.com or make the two clicks to change your provider. If this is too complicated for you, then you probably do need to stick with IE6.



  • @derula said:

    @bridget99 said:
    IE8 is horrible, because in one of its new features, it defaults to a Microsoft service.

    I lol'ed.

     

    The little dog lulzed to see such sport...



  • @bridget99 said:

    @derula said:
    @bridget99 said:
    IE8 is horrible, because in one of its new features, it defaults to a Microsoft service.
    I lol'ed.
    The little dog lulzed to see such sport...

    ... And the IE8 ran away with the Bing?



  • But seriously, why does Bing even exist? Hadn't Google taken the (fundamentally somewhat lame) idea of text search and exploited it fully? The whole thing seems like an exercise in shameless
    "me too"-ism. There's been too much of that from Microsoft lately. Java prompted .NET. Flash prompted Silverlight. OSX prompted "Aero." It's hard for me to respect a company that behaves this way, or its apologists.



  • @derula said:

    @bridget99 said:
    @derula said:
    @bridget99 said:
    IE8 is horrible, because in one of its new features, it defaults to a Microsoft service.
    I lol'ed.
    The little dog lulzed to see such sport...

    ... And the IE8 ran away with the Bing?

     

    And Bill G. ran off with the girl that invented "Microsoft Bob."

    (Because she was the only person still in awe of his computer skills.)



  • @bstorer said:

    See, morbs?  Wasn't this totally worth it?  It's like a work of post-modern art.  He probably thought of one line first and built the rest of it over the course of weeks.  It was probably the "Patrice Lumumba of hypertext" part.  I'd love to see the revision history on the text file where he's been working on this.  My guess at the progression is Ghandi (too obvious) -> Crispus Attucks (not esoteric enough) -> Patrice Lumumba.

    I admit, referencing a long-dead Stalinist revolutionary shows a level of committment to trolling that is beyond the line of duty.  However, it's hard to be impressed after seeing SpectateSwamp and MPS.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @bstorer said:

    See, morbs?  Wasn't this totally worth it?  It's like a work of post-modern art.  He probably thought of one line first and built the rest of it over the course of weeks.  It was probably the "Patrice Lumumba of hypertext" part.  I'd love to see the revision history on the text file where he's been working on this.  My guess at the progression is Ghandi (too obvious) -> Crispus Attucks (not esoteric enough) -> Patrice Lumumba.

    I admit, referencing a long-dead Stalinist revolutionary shows a level of committment to trolling that is beyond the line of duty.  However, it's hard to be impressed after seeing SpectateSwamp and MPS.

    Oh, I readily acknowledge that, all in all, it has been a poor trolling experience, nowhere near epic.  He blew his wad on that one post and he didn't make good use of the goldmine that is the world's hatred of IE6, but for that one post, he was on top of his game and it was precious and beautiful.  We got to witness his magnum opus, and that ought to count for something.  Too bad it seems he's a one-hit wonder.



  • @bridget99 said:

    But seriously, why does Bing even exist? Hadn't Google taken the (fundamentally somewhat lame) idea of text search and exploited it fully? The whole thing seems like an exercise in shameless
    "me too"-ism. There's been too much of that from Microsoft lately. Java prompted .NET. Flash prompted Silverlight. OSX prompted "Aero." It's hard for me to respect a company that behaves this way, or its apologists.

    Keep trying.  Maybe if you start spelling it "Micro$oft" you can get someone to bite.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @bridget99 said:

    But seriously, why does Bing even exist? Hadn't Google taken the (fundamentally somewhat lame) idea of text search and exploited it fully? The whole thing seems like an exercise in shameless
    "me too"-ism. There's been too much of that from Microsoft lately. Java prompted .NET. Flash prompted Silverlight. OSX prompted "Aero." It's hard for me to respect a company that behaves this way, or its apologists.

    Keep trying.  Maybe if you start spelling it "Micro$oft" you can get someone to bite.

    CONVICTED MONOPOLIST!



  •  what was IE6's default search engine?

    let fire up this xp mode thing...

    type something random in the address bar...

    oh, hey, its bing.



  • @bridget99 said:

    I think that had they defaulted to Bing but left an easy way to use Google, people would have found this to be an acceptable, even democratic, approach.
    People have found that they can use bing, a search engine, and not bitch about it.  You are a small minority exception.

    @bridget99 said:

    Even then, they would have succeeded in their goal of getting Bing some visibility.
    This is not their goal. 



  • You know, reading this whole thread, I'm overwhelmed by the way the names "Bing" and "Google" make the whole discusion seem infantile. It's been 10 years or so since the whole 'nonsense aesthetics' thing peaked (referring here, of course, to DogPile.com). In fairness to Google, they selected their name at the height of 'nonsense aesthetics' and there actually is some sense to it, for anyone who actually know what a google is. But Microsoft is on the trailing edge here... kind of like a dorky kid just arrived from Utah who's still furiously impersonating Eric Cartman to the chagrin of his more jaded compatriots. Doesn't Microsoft know that nonsense names are passe? A better name would be something like "SuperSearch" or "Macrotext 5000"; that's more in keeping with the sensibilities of 2009.



  • @bridget99 said:

    there actually is some sense to it, for anyone who actually know what a google is.
    That would be nobody, because there is no such thing.  Some people probably know what a googol is, though.

    @bridget99 said:

    A better name would be something like "SuperSearch" or "Macrotext 5000"; that's more in keeping with the sensibilities of 2009.
    Now, I'm no fan of "Bing", but those names sound even more god-awful.  TRWTF, though, is bothering to advertise a search engine.  This isn't 1998 any more, guys.



  • @Mithious said:

    Obviously a troll, but for the benefit of others that haven't used IE8 I'll point out the factual inaccuracies.

    Changing the provider can be done from the drop down button right next to the search button where it appears at the top level. No need to go through lots of settings dialogs. Typing google.com into the search box takes you to the search results page where google is the top result. Typing it into the address bar takes you straight to google.

    Pretty much all as you'd expect. Nothing to see here, move along.

     

     

    IE 8 even asked me to pick a search provider when I installed it.  I was quite impressed with how painless it was.

    Still use Firefox mostly though.  What can I say, I fear change.



  • @bridget99 said:

    I propose a clean room effort to recreate the functionality of IE6 and deliver its wholesome goodness to the world in public domain form.I further propose that the resultant product should be unencumbered by copyleft restrictions, so that businesses can customize, repackage, and redistribute the product on a for-profit basis. That's where the future lies.

     

    If I thought that there was any legitimate chance -- not matter how small -- that you could pull this off, I would murder you.

    I'm not even joking. I would hunt you down and murder you.

    It would be easier than a career change at this point in my life and I would be guaranteed instant martyr status among down-trodden web developers everywhere.



  • Too Beaucoup?

    @bstorer said:

    @bridget99 said:
    A better name would be something like "SuperSearch" or "Macrotext 5000"; that's more in keeping with the sensibilities of 2009.
    Now, I'm no fan of "Bing", but those names sound even more god-awful.  TRWTF, though, is bothering to advertise a search engine.  This isn't 1998 any more, guys.

     

    OK, but I think I've got it now: "Microsoft presents Jack Black's LORD OF SEARCH." That would totally work, and it's at least 2007 vintage.

    Also, a moment ago while I was absent-mindedly picking the scabs off of my elderly neighbor's "missing" chihuahua, I had an unrelated (and hopefully less inflamatory) thought:

    Are there just too damn many programmers out there? Think about how many search tools there are: Bing; Google; Dogpile; Hotbot; Yahoo; Altavista; etc. I get the sense that there are too many workers chasing the same piece of the metaphorical pie and the result is a bunch of duplicated work. I think "synch" is another example of a fun-to-play-with problem foisted off onto excess programmers by their baby sitters, e.g. Ray Ozzie, Scott Guthrie, etc. And how many custom drag-and-drop conference room schedulers does a Fortune 500 company need, anyway? Not nearly so many as they've gotten, I'd venture to say.

    Consider, for example, the bundleware that came with my laptop: the stupid launch utility; the audio program with the horribly aliased icons; the back-door ActiveX  rootkit left by their tech support. Somebody wrote this stuff, and the whole time they were probably drawing a big salary and wasting time with sarcastic posts like the ones I se here. 

    I ask myself, "Is that most programmers? Are we (or 'they,' since I'm a Manager;or 'you,' since this is Reddit ) just a bunch of con artists?" Sadly, it is actually even worse than that. Those bundleware programmers are actually fairly elite, inasmuch as they get to write commerical software that's made it to production. A typical Java or .NET programmer, slaving away at some ill-defined task for a dyspeptic "internal customer," is even more of a surplus burden!

    Like I said, I was busy fooling with some stupid dog while I thought all of this up, so maybe it's not completely thought through.

     



  • @Master Chief said:

    IE 8 even asked me to pick a search provider when I installed it.  I was quite impressed with how painless it was.

    Still use Firefox mostly though.  What can I say, I fear change.

    I suspect it did that same for me as I don't remember ever changing it. I'm actually kinda hoping the bing eventually turns out to be good as I'm finding it harder and harder to find what I want these days on Google. The background noise seems to be getting to the level where the quality recognised website with exactly the solution I'm looking for (usually software development related) turns up only after 15 pages of rubbish that no one in their right minds would ever be interested in looking at.

    Until IE8 I was still using IE6 as I really don't like using Firefox. No version of it I've ever used has felt responsive or had a decent startup time. On my old XP machine I could open IE, get to the bbc site and read a couple of paragraphs of an article before Firefox finished loading. Opera, Safari and all other apps load fast so it's not like the machine is flaky. I once timed it (v3.0 iirc) at about 25-30 seconds (sit there and count that!).



  • @bridget99 said:

    or 'you,' since this is Reddit
    Trolling epic fail.



  • @bridget99 said:

    A moment ago while I was absent-mindedly picking the scabs off of my elderly neighbor's "missing" chihuahua, I had an unrelated (and hopefully less inflamatory) thought:

    Are there just too damn many programmers out there? Think about how many search tools there are: Bing; Google; Dogpile; Hotbot; Yahoo; Altavista; etc. I get the sense that there are too many workers chasing the same piece of the metaphorical pie and the result is a bunch of duplicated work. I think "synch" is another example of a fun-to-play-with problem foisted off onto excess programmers by their baby sitters, e.g. Ray Ozzie, Scott Guthrie, etc. And how many custom drag-and-drop conference room schedulers does a Fortune 500 company need, anyway? Not nearly so many as they've gotten, I'd venture to say.

    Consider, for example, the bundleware that came with my laptop: the stupid launch utility; the audio program with the horribly aliased icons; the back-door ActiveX  rootkit left by their tech support. Somebody wrote this stuff, and the whole time they were probably drawing a big salary and wasting time with sarcastic posts like the ones I se here. 

    I ask myself, "Is that most programmers? Are we (or 'they,' since I'm a Manager;or 'you,' since this is Reddit ) just a bunch of con artists?" Sadly, it is actually even worse than that. Those bundleware programmers are actually fairly elite, inasmuch as they get to write commerical software that's made it to production. A typical Java or .NET programmer, slaving away at some ill-defined task for a dyspeptic "internal customer," is even more of a surplus burden!

    Like I said, I was busy fooling with some stupid dog while I thought all of this up, so maybe it's not completely thought through.

    That's a really good question and I'm glad it's out there. But are you even halfway serious about that Chiwhahua? The thing about Chiuhahuhas is that the surface area of their skin is very small. Even a small wound, inflicted "absentmindedly" as you described it, can prove fatal for such a small dog. Hopefully you are just kidding....?



  • @bridget99 said:

    My feeling is that the default should be reasonable, and easily changeable, and "Bing" in IE8 is neither.

     

    Microsoft doesn't make it easy to switch from their product to their primary competition's!?  ANTI-TRUST!!!  MONOPOLYYYYY!!!!



  • @Aaron said:

    @bridget99 said:

    My feeling is that the default should be reasonable, and easily changeable, and "Bing" in IE8 is neither.

     

    Microsoft doesn't make it easy to switch from their product to their primary competition's!?  ANTI-TRUST!!!  MONOPOLYYYYY!!!!

     

    I never said that. I just said that IE8 is not a very good browser, and I went on to say that I didn't see the big problem with IE6. I think that "upgrading your browser" has become something like "electrolytes" in the movie Idiocracy. It's a universally held point-of-view, which was surreptitiously hand-tailored by Microsoft and then disseminated amongst people too stupid to form opinions of their own. Give me a cogent reason of why IE8 is better... or, for that matter, how or why .NET is better than Java or C++, or why I should even consider using the ridiculous hotplate-disguised-as-a-useful-computer they call a search engine. Microsoft is the business equivalent of a stock car driver who wins the Winston cup by coming in 3rd or 4th in every single race... i.e. they should be reviled as snivelling toadies and the rules should be revised to allow for a more optimal outcome. 

     

     



  • Pop culture reference, NASCAR reference, .NET bashing.  Yawn.

    As long as we're doing clever analogies, your trolling skills are the equivalent of a 72-year-old man without his little blue pills.  Most of the time, they don't work at all, and when they do work, they seem to fizzle out before it can really get interesting.



  • @Aaron said:

    @bridget99 said:

    My feeling is that the default should be reasonable, and easily changeable, and "Bing" in IE8 is neither.

     

    Microsoft doesn't make it easy to switch from their product to their primary competition's!?  ANTI-TRUST!!!  MONOPOLYYYYY!!!!

    You got trolled, son.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    You got trolled, son.

     

    I know.  I was hoping that I could extract as good a response as bstorer.  As I sort of expected, the result was disappointing.  I guess he has to spend a few more hours recovering before he can rub another one out.



  • @Aaron said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    You got trolled, son.

     

    I know.  I was hoping that I could extract as good a response as bstorer.  As I sort of expected, the result was disappointing.  I guess he has to spend a few more hours recovering before he can rub another one out.

    Maybe bing isn't giving him any good results for "obscure Communist revolutionaries".



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Maybe bing isn't giving him any good results for "obscure Communist revolutionaries".

     

    Based on his most recent post, I'd wager that he was frenetically searching for "semi-popular sporting event championships".


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