"IT Work $15 / hour" on the jobs board; is this in fucking Zimbabwe?



  • You guys are kidding right? I thought it was a non-WTF job board...



  • On second thought, they would require a tie in Zimbabwe.



  • What's wrong with $15/hr? How much are you expecting? What is a "normal" IT hourly pay over there? How much does a grocery salesman make? What is minimum wage?



  • Zimbabwe? I should hope not: Z$15 == US$0.002 ... for now. By tomorrow, expect that to be even less. You'd make more money scavenging for dropped bills on the streets.



  •  @rohypnol said:

    What's wrong with $15/hr? How much are you expecting? What is a "normal" IT hourly pay over there? How much does a grocery salesman make? What is minimum wage?

    If it was just a helpdesk position I would understand... BUT they also want you to know how to program in python, perl AND php.  I am willing to bet they are looking to lay off a few developers and saddle the new guy with a crapload of junk to maintain.  Either that or they want to hire someone from outside hawaii to avoid paying the local high living expenses.



  •  I got paid $15/hour during college to work help desk at an insurance company (part time).  That was pretty damn good money for somebody still in college



  • @rohypnol said:

    What is a "normal" IT hourly pay over there?

    As a student, I get paid $20/hr to do general computer repair, which is a bargain in comparison to people who actually do this stuff as a business.

    @rohypnol said:

    How much does a grocery salesman make?
    I've never worked at one, but people at the local HEB (cheap, generic grocery store, for people outside its realm) that I know have pay rates between $7 and $9 per hour.

    @rohypnol said:

    What is minimum wage?
    I'm not sure, but I think it's about $5.50/hr, but I hear our new president wants to raise it to $9 or so.



  • @AltSysrq said:



    Zimbabwe? I should hope not: Z$15 == US$0.002 ... for now. By tomorrow, expect that to be even less. You'd make more money scavenging for dropped bills on the streets.


    $0.002? Where have you been these last couple of years? An army private earns Z$30 trillion+board a month now, and hardly anyone in the private sector will touch the local currency at all.

    I hear they are looking for someone to convert their banking software to 64 bit, though.



  •  @_moz said:

    $0.002? Where have you been these last couple of years? An army private earns Z$30 trillion+board a month now, and hardly anyone in the private sector will touch the local currency at all.

    I hear they are looking for someone to convert their banking software to 64 bit, though.

    Better hope they did that before now or the government would overflow into the negative...not that there is much difference between that and the current regime...



  • @AltSysrq said:

    @rohypnol said:

    What is a "normal" IT hourly pay over there?

    As a student, I get paid $20/hr to do general computer repair, which is a bargain in comparison to people who actually do this stuff as a business.

    @rohypnol said:

    How much does a grocery salesman make?
    I've never worked at one, but people at the local HEB (cheap, generic grocery store, for people outside its realm) that I know have pay rates between $7 and $9 per hour.

    @rohypnol said:

    What is minimum wage?
    I'm not sure, but I think it's about $5.50/hr, but I hear our new president wants to raise it to $9 or so.

     

    Thank you for your answers. I was always curious about these things, but the "official" numbers are usually way off the truth.



  • @AltSysrq said:

    You'd make more money scavenging for dropped bills on the streets.
    I had a dream the other week, in which I collected a total of $10.20 by picking up dropped coins in a mall.  Odd.



  • @Eternal Density said:

    I had a dream the other week, in which I collected a total of $10.20 by picking up dropped coins in a mall.  Odd.

     

     Maybe you need to be more observant in your life because you are missing chances for easy money?  Then again, I wouldn't trust any interpretation of my own dreams as they are rather messed up.  I certainly wouldn't be wanting to fight off toasters and vacuum cleaners coming to life to exact their reveng on the human race.

     



  • I've heard of Fucking, Austria but not Fucking Zimbabwe.




  • I once passed through this town in Germany.  The road signs on the entrance and exit to town were amusing.

    http://maps.google.co.uk/.....

     



  •  @Eternal Density said:

    I had a dream the other week, in which I collected a total of $10.20 by picking up dropped coins in a mall.  Odd.
    I'll do one better... I once found about 5 quid in a coke vending machine. It turns out that if your coin gets stuck inside the machine, a lot of punching and kicking will return not only your money but everyone else's that simply walked away. I guess being easily irritated can have its advantages. Just be careful not to have the machine fall on you.



  • @bighusker said:

     I got paid $15/hour during college to work help desk at an insurance company (part time).  That was pretty damn good money for somebody still in college

     

    I got paid $10.50/hour during college to load trucks for UPS (part time). That was in 1972!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     



  •  Ummm, that's not that little.

    Here, you can expect $10 - $13/hr for general computer repair skills (you know, reloading windows, virus cleanup, router setup) from any of the local computer hellholes.  High-end computer professionals get paid about $30/hr tops.  Most people with CS degrees are working for ~$20/hr.  Did I mention that'sall in $CDN?  It's pay like that that had me doing a stint as an Electrican Apprentice (Lucky for me I got hired by somewhere that pays decently, it's the only place in town that pays like this and we attract people who will drive 2 hours a day to work for the pay/environment).  For reference, minimum wage is $8.75 here and this town is one of the top five or so (we like to pretend we're #1, which is definitely BS) technology employers in this country.

    Just thought you Bush supporters down south should know before you come up here to live in Bush-lite (tm) land.





  • @shepd said:

    Just thought you Bush supporters down south should know before you come up here to live in Bush-lite (tm) land.

    Wow, it's like when one of those Japanese soldiers emerges from the jungle of some small uninhabited pacific island sixty years later and they still haven't heard that WWII is over.

    NEWSFLASH:  There was an election, dude!  V-USA day is here!  The revolution triumphed, the forces of evil have been vanquished and the population has been liberated from the grip of the tyrannical overlord!

    Or to put it another way: the whole of the USA is "Bush-lite-land" these days :-) :-) :-) 



  • @DaveK said:

    @shepd said:

    Just thought you Bush supporters down south should know before you come up here to live in Bush-lite (tm) land.

    Wow, it's like when one of those Japanese soldiers emerges from the jungle of some small uninhabited pacific island sixty years later and they still haven't heard that WWII is over.

    NEWSFLASH:  There was an election, dude!  V-USA day is here!  The revolution triumphed, the forces of evil have been vanquished and the population has been liberated from the grip of the tyrannical overlord!

    Or to put it another way: the whole of the USA is "Bush-lite-land" these days :-) :-) :-) 

     

    No, no, I guess I wasn't clear.

    USA = Obamaland.

    Canada = Bush-lite land (for now), as Harper (the Prime Minister) spent so much time up Bush's ass.  There was a (thank God failed) attempt at even instituting a DMCA here (but worse, actually...) and there's plenty more made-in-the-USA laws he keeps trying to implement for Bush.  Perhaps we'll be lucky and he'll just do whatever the current US president wants, so we might get some sanity after he speaks with Obama.  Or maybe he'll just keep doing what Bush wanted here.  We'll see...



  • @shepd said:

    Harper (the Prime Minister) spent so much time up Bush's ass.

    Did he meet our federal chancellor Merkel there? She has also lurked a lot up there. Dunno why. Didn't vote for her either.



  • @VibroKatana said:

    @Eternal Density said:

    I had a dream the other week, in which I collected a total of $10.20 by picking up dropped coins in a mall.  Odd.

     

     Maybe you need to be more observant in your life because you are missing chances for easy money?  Then again, I wouldn't trust any interpretation of my own dreams as they are rather messed up.  I certainly wouldn't be wanting to fight off toasters and vacuum cleaners coming to life to exact their reveng on the human race.

     

     

     It's ok, thats why they have power cords. It keeps them from chasing us.



  • @shepd said:

     Ummm, that's not that little.

    Here, you can expect $10 - $13/hr for general computer repair skills (you know, reloading windows, virus cleanup, router setup) from any of the local computer hellholes.  High-end computer professionals get paid about $30/hr tops.  Most people with CS degrees are working for ~$20/hr.  Did I mention that'sall in $CDN?  It's pay like that that had me doing a stint as an Electrican Apprentice (Lucky for me I got hired by somewhere that pays decently, it's the only place in town that pays like this and we attract people who will drive 2 hours a day to work for the pay/environment).  For reference, minimum wage is $8.75 here and this town is one of the top five or so (we like to pretend we're #1, which is definitely BS) technology employers in this country.

    Just thought you Bush supporters down south should know before you come up here to live in Bush-lite (tm) land.

     

    wow, I live in an $8/hr minimum wage area and I don't know any high-end computer professionals that get paid that little... except government workers!



  • @Rick said:

    @bighusker said:

     I got paid $15/hour during college to work help desk at an insurance company (part time).  That was pretty damn good money for somebody still in college

     

    I got paid $10.50/hour during college to load trucks for UPS (part time). That was in 1972!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

     

    Seriously.  I was paid $15/hr to do L1 help desk in 1997... and that was just what the consulting agency paid ME.  The customer was paying much more.

    Are IT services priced like technology goods now?  The latest models are expected to be faster and more feature packed, but sell for the same price?



  • @shepd said:

    No, no, I guess I wasn't clear.

    No, no, I guess I was dumb.  <goes for more coffee> 

    @shepd said:

    USA = Obamaland.

    Canada = Bush-lite land (for now), as Harper 

    Oh ghod, him.  Yeh, I forgot.  Sorry about that, you guys.  Better luck next time :-(

     



  •  @AltSysrq said:

    @rohypnol said:

    What is a "normal" IT hourly pay over there?

    As a student, I get paid $20/hr to do general computer repair, which is a bargain in comparison to people who actually do this stuff as a business.

    @rohypnol said:

    How much does a grocery salesman make?
    I've never worked at one, but people at the local HEB (cheap, generic grocery store, for people outside its realm) that I know have pay rates between $7 and $9 per hour.

    @rohypnol said:

    What is minimum wage?
    I'm not sure, but I think it's about $5.50/hr, but I hear our new president wants to raise it to $9 or so.

    www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/minimumwage.htm

    Federal minimum wage is $6.55/hour as of 2008. States can set higher levels.

     



  • @shepd said:

    No, no, I guess I wasn't clear.

    USA = Obamaland.

    Canada = Bush-lite land (for now), as Harper (the Prime Minister) spent so much time up Bush's ass.  There was a (thank God failed) attempt at even instituting a DMCA here (but worse, actually...) and there's plenty more made-in-the-USA laws he keeps trying to implement for Bush.  Perhaps we'll be lucky and he'll just do whatever the current US president wants, so we might get some sanity after he speaks with Obama.  Or maybe he'll just keep doing what Bush wanted here.  We'll see...

    The DMCA was enacted under President Clinton.  In general, the biggest supporters of DRM in the US are Democrats.  Bush and Obama are actually fairly close in terms of ridiculous economic policy.  The only difference is that Obama favors a cowardly foreign policy.  Regardless, your country is probably more fucked following Obama's lead than Bush's, sadly.  And considering the arrogance of both, don't be surprised when Obama starts forcing US policy on Canada. 



  • @DaveK said:

    NEWSFLASH:  There was an election, dude!  V-USA day is here!  The revolution triumphed, the forces of evil have been vanquished and the population has been liberated from the grip of the tyrannical overlord!

    Are you an idiot?  I mean, I know you are, but does your sense of shame not make you recoil from posting such retarded bullshit?  Or do you simply not have one? 



  • @_moz said:

    $0.002?

    That's exactly what I thought, but I assumed Yahoo! knew what they were doing when I fed Z$15 into their currency calculator to get USD... I just thought that maybe they had come out with the FOURTH dollar by now... I guess now the question is: How the heck does Yahoo! come up with that value?

    And, no, I have never been there.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @DaveK said:

    NEWSFLASH:  There was an election, dude!  V-USA day is here!  The revolution triumphed, the forces of evil have been vanquished and the population has been liberated from the grip of the tyrannical overlord!

    Are you an idiot?

    <aside> Oh, not again <enunciating very clearly and slowly> IS YOUR ALZHEIMER'S PLAYING UP AGAIN DEARIE?  WE MADE YOU THAT NICE SHEET OF NOTES, DO YOU REMEMBER?  HAVE YOU STILL GOT IT?  <aside> Oh, ewww, he's dribbled all over it...

    @Morb's cheat sheet of handy hints for remembering stuff said:

    [ ... ]

    4.  HOW TO RECOGNISE AN IDIOT

    Are you looking in a mirror?

    If YES,

        That's what one looks like.  Just try and remember it this time.

    if NO

        Please just do what the nice person tells you, you know you get a bit confused when you try and think for yourself.

    [ ... ]

     

    @morbiuswilters said:

    @DaveK said:

    NEWSFLASH:  There was an election, dude!  V-USA day is here!  The revolution triumphed, the forces of evil have been vanquished and the population has been liberated from the grip of the tyrannical overlord!

    Are you an idiot?  I mean, I know you are, but does your sense of shame not make you recoil from posting such retarded bullshit?  Or do you simply not have one? 

    U R SOOOO PWND!  Dance, clown, dance!  Foam at the mouth a bit more for me!



  • @DaveK said:

    4.  HOW TO RECOGNISE AN IDIOT

    Are you looking in a mirror?

    If YES,

        That's what one looks like.  Just try and remember it this time.

    Mirrors refuse to reflect my physical form, so this advice only applies when I am anally-violating you in front of a reflective surface.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @DaveK said:

    4.  HOW TO RECOGNISE AN IDIOT

    Are you looking in a mirror?

    If YES,

        That's what one looks like.  Just try and remember it this time.

    Mirrors refuse to reflect my physical form,

    LOL, you and your euphemisms.

    @morbiuswilters said:

    My face is so fugly it shatters mirrors

    FTFY!

    @morbiuswilters said:

    so this advice only applies when I am anally-violating you in front of a reflective surface.

    You? LOL.  If you anally violated someone, how on earth would they even notice?
    <font color="#ffffff">(In b4 Morb's "your mom" lames)</font>



  •  in b4 lock



  • @TwelveBaud said:

     in b4 lock

     

    @TwelveBaud said:

    DaveK should be banned

    shrugs I think you'll notice it was Morbs who decided to take an irreverent exchange between two other people as an opportunity to launch into unrelated gratuitous personal flameage.



  • @rohypnol said:

    What's wrong with $15/hr?


    Its way undervalued for an IT professional in the US.

    How much are you expecting?

    I'm sure most IT pros expect 55-65k entry-level if they live in a major market (seattle, silicon valley, washington d.c. are major IT markets). Experienced IT pros would settle for nothing less than 100k per year... or in specific niches even higher... $100-250/hour.

    How much does a grocery salesman make?

    Probably about 5.75/hour

    What is minimum wage?

    I think its 5.75



  • @DaveK said:

    @shepd said:

    Just thought you Bush supporters down south should know before you come up here to live in Bush-lite (tm) land.

    Wow, it's like when one of those Japanese soldiers emerges from the jungle of some small uninhabited pacific island sixty years later and they still haven't heard that WWII is over.

    NEWSFLASH:  There was an election, dude!  V-USA day is here!  The revolution triumphed, the forces of evil have been vanquished and the population has been liberated from the grip of the tyrannical overlord!

    Or to put it another way: the whole of the USA is "Bush-lite-land" these days :-) :-) :-) 

    Reminds me of that Robin Williams joke: "Canada is like a loft apartment above a really cool party."



  • @DaveK said:

    shrugs I think you'll notice it was Morbs who decided to take an irreverent exchange between two other people as an opportunity to launch into unrelated gratuitous personal flameage.

    Hey, if I see stupidity I call it out.  You posted blatant, political flamebait that was embarrassing to anyone with a shred of intelligence.  Your comments were without value and surely you are intelligent enough to realize that they would be contentious to some of the people here.  This is an IT forum, not your political soapbox, so don't be surprised when you get flamed for making idiotic little political jabs that try to derail a thread.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @DaveK said:

    shrugs I think you'll notice it was Morbs who decided to take an irreverent exchange between two other people as an opportunity to launch into unrelated gratuitous personal flameage.

    Hey, if I see stupidity I call it out.  You posted blatant, political flamebait that was embarrassing to anyone with a shred of intelligence.  Your comments were without value and surely you are intelligent enough to realize that they would be contentious to some of the people here.

     

    You seem to be missing the point.  Your hugely emotional overreaction makes it pretty clear this is not about some high-and-mighty moral principled crusade of yours to ensure the "quality" of posts in the forum.

    If you really wanted that, you could double the average IQ in here just by leaving!

    @morbiuswilters said:

    This is an IT forum, not your political soapbox, so don't be surprised when you get flamed for making idiotic little political jabs

    No, not surprised, not surprised at all.  I can deal, after all; it's not me BAWWWing for a mod to come and netcop anyone out of here.

    @morbiuswilters said:

    try to derail a thread.

    "Derail a thread"!?  PKB of the highest order there, hypocrite. You're just as off-topic as often as anyone else.



  • @DaveK said:

    No, not surprised, not surprised at all.  I can deal, after all; it's not me BAWWWing for a mod to come and netcop anyone out of here.

    When the hell did I say anything about mods?  I just derided you for posting blatant political flamebait.

     

    @DaveK said:

    "Derail a thread"!?  PKB of the highest order there, hypocrite. You're just as off-topic as often as anyone else.

    My semi-off-topic humor is not the same as the flamebait you posted.  Please stop arguing and let the thread die, you hideous little retard: the only excuse for your worthless posts is an abortion doctor with an unsteady hand that failed to complete the process of scrambling your foetal brains.  There is no point in me wasting my valuable time insulting a pathetic little fool that God has already made a sufficient mockery of.  Doubly so when there is still cold beer.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    My semi-off-topic humor is not the same as the flamebait you posted.
     

    I disagree.

    End.


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