Hotlinking stylesheet



  • It's amazing when someone steals your website and are stupid enough to leave the style sheet linked to your own site.  You can have a lot of fun with that one.  I sure did, finally settled on the attached.




  • That is so fucking beautiful.  I salute you.



  •  What's the site (both yours and theirs)?



  •  Their site:

     http://www.findfreightloads.com/available-truck-loads.php

    The site they stole is actually an old one, we've done a redesign since then.  They stole our google analytics code with the site which is how I noticed them (of course they ignored our requests to remove the code), I didn't realize that they had hot linked our style sheet until we redesigned the site and I started getting errors for requests to a style sheet we had removed.



  • Needs more goatse.



  •  A multi-layered WTF: they use HTTPS...for their navbar tab images...with an expired certificate.



  •  Also - I tried to contact them through their "contact" page.  There are fields on the page, but it's not a form.



  • @jdavidbakr said:

    Their site:

     http://www.findfreightloads.com/available-truck-loads.php


    Have they fixed it just now? As I clicked the link, the background still said "No hotlinking please" (but not anything else) and moments later the background was also fixed.

    However, great way of stopping them!



  •  I toned it back ... I decided that the background would be enough.  But boy did I have some fun in the mean time.

     BTW, not all the pages link to the stylesheet.  As of right now it's still pulling my background.



  • @Sunstorm said:

    Needs more goatse.
    I don't really see that happening, as the css file in question resides on the website for a church.



  •  Hopefully they'll see this page as a referrer in their stats.



  • @Thief^ said:

    Hopefully they'll see this page as a referrer in their stats.
    They wouldn't, unless someone made an actual hyperlink.

    And why would we hope that they would anyway?



  • @jdavidbakr said:

     BTW, not all the pages link to the stylesheet.  As of right now it's still pulling my background.


    I get it now. Clicking login will bring up a different site, which does not use the stylesheet. Clicking another link doesn't actually take you back, thus I was in the impression that the actual site had changed.



  • the message should be more damning, like "We're stealing this web page."

    edit: or better yet, "You shouldn't be doing business with us."



  • @belgariontheking said:

    @Sunstorm said:
    Needs more goatse.
    I don't really see that happening, as the css file in question resides on the website for a church.

    Hey! ChurchOnTheMove? I've visited that church some years ago. I live in Denmark :-)



  • @dmu said:

    @belgariontheking said:
    @Sunstorm said:
    Needs more goatse.
    I don't really see that happening, as the css file in question resides on the website for a church.
    Hey! ChurchOnTheMove? I've visited that church some years ago. I live in Denmark :-)
    It's probably not there anymore.  It could have moved all the way to Russia by now!  or Japan!



  • @jdavidbakr said:

     I toned it back ... I decided that the background would be enough.

    Why? They're blatantly stealing from you. Why on earth would you let them continue at all, even a little bit?



  •  If it wasn't a church site they were hotlinking from, I would be doing a lot more.  Trust me.



  • @dcardani said:

    @jdavidbakr said:

     I toned it back ... I decided that the background would be enough.

    Why? They're blatantly stealing from you. Why on earth would you let them continue at all, even a little bit?

    Ohh ohh I know! o/ Send them an email with an image tag which points to a non existent image but at your domain. Then you can work out what ISP they likely use. Then for stylesheet requests from all other addresses, set the background image to a medium sized tiled swastika.

    Or set up a site that lets anybody change the url of the background image used.




  • @belgariontheking said:

    @Sunstorm said:

    Needs more goatse.
    I don't really see that happening, as the css file in question resides on the website for a church.

    Hotlink it!



  • I haven't tested it, but I had something like this in mind.

    body {
    display: none;
    text-before: (insert amusing text here)
    };
    I don't remember exactly how text-before (or whatever it's called) works or if it'll work on a hidden element, but you get the idea.



  • @lolwtf said:

    I don't remember exactly how text-before (or whatever it's called) works or if it'll work on a hidden element, but you get the idea.

     

    I believe it works like this:

    identifier::before
    {
    content: "Insert your quasi-funny stuff here";
    }

    Were identifier can ofcourse be a tag name, an #id, a class etc.

    Not sure if IE supports it though



  • @jdavidbakr said:

     If it wasn't a church site they were hotlinking from, I would be doing a lot more.  Trust me.

    Why would that make a difference?  Why do churches get special treatment (or are you a god botherer?)



  • @LoztInSpace said:

    @jdavidbakr said:

     If it wasn't a church site they were hotlinking from, I would be doing a lot more.  Trust me.

    Why would that make a difference?  Why do churches get special treatment (or are you a god botherer?)
    It would be pretty scandalous if someone found goatse or tubgirl on a church's website.  Or even a reference to it.  Imagine if you were a member of the church and your kid saw that on the church's website.  Wouldn't you want the webmaster's head on a platter?  I bet the OP would feel almost the same way if it were a company website.  He could get fired for putting that kinda stuff on the company website.

    Also, there's this little quip from the bible.[quote user="NIV"]But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.[/quote]



  •  My motivation for doing anything at all is just to get them to stop hot linking (which they finally did).  I would never want to do anything scandelous, especially given that this was just a stupid web-illiterate (probably the owner's son who is still in junior high) designer who opened our page in Dreamweaver and changed the content.  I guess I'm just too nice of a guy, or it's the teacher in me, I didn't want to ruin his business or his reputation, just wanted to let him know that what he was doing was stupid and get him to stop, and hopefully think twice before doing something like that again.  If it was my own site I would have done enough to make the page completely unusable, but not anything to destroy either of our reputations... but I'm having to represent my employer here, and so there is a line that I can't cross.

     At any rate, they got rid of the link.  And I had some fun in the mean time.  Now, the idea of having a different stylesheet that only shows up for them - that's brilliant.  I wish I had thought of that...



  • @LoztInSpace said:

    @jdavidbakr said:

     If it wasn't a church site they were hotlinking from, I would be doing a lot more.  Trust me.

    Why would that make a difference?  Why do churches get special treatment (or are you a god botherer?)

     

    The folks who visit that site don't deserve to be goatsed because they're not hotlinking.



  • @LoztInSpace said:

    @jdavidbakr said:

     If it wasn't a church site they were hotlinking from, I would be doing a lot more.  Trust me.

    Why would that make a difference?  Why do churches get special treatment (or are you a god botherer?)

    Right, because it is justifiable to spew obscenities at church-going people for violating a bit of web etiquette.  If it was a Synagogue, he should have had images of swastikas and concentration camp victims.



  • @operagost said:

    The folks who visit that site don't deserve to be goatsed because they're not hotlinking.

    Sure they do.  It's their fault for having principles and for hiring a web designer who goofed up and hotlinked an external style sheet.  They should be like us: perverts hardened by many years of being exposed to the most digusting stuff the Internet has to offer.  If you don't giggle when shown photos of the mutilated corpses of children or of grotesque sex acts or videos of cats being baked alive in an oven, then you have a psychological problem.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

     If you don't giggle when shown photos of the mutilated corpses of children or of grotesque sex acts or videos of cats being baked alive in an oven, then you have a psychological problem.

     

     

     Truth.



  • @jdavidbakr said:

     At any rate, they got rid of the link.  And I had some fun in the mean time.  Now, the idea of having a different stylesheet that only shows up for them - that's brilliant.  I wish I had thought of that...
     

    It's still hotlinked on a few pages. I also love how they are apparently an authorised merchant, but clicking the button brings up:




    Unable to Verify Merchant




    November 12, 2008 21:59 PM

    			</td>															
    		</tr>
    		<tr>				
    			<td class="MainHeaderFont">						
    				Unable to verify this site as an Authorize.Net merchant.						
    				<hr>						
    			</td>											
    		</tr>
    		<tr>				
    			<td>
    				Please try to verify the authenticity of the site by contacting the merchant directly. 
    				</td></tr></tbody></table><p>&nbsp;</p>


  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @LoztInSpace said:

    @jdavidbakr said:

     If it wasn't a church site they were hotlinking from, I would be doing a lot more.  Trust me.

    Why would that make a difference?  Why do churches get special treatment (or are you a god botherer?)

    Right, because it is justifiable to spew obscenities at church-going people for violating a bit of web etiquette.  If it was a Synagogue, he should have had images of swastikas and concentration camp victims.

    C'mon.  Where's your usual impeccable logic?

    @jdavidbakr said:

     If it wasn't a church site they were hotlinking from, I would be doing a lot more.  Trust me.

    Apparently there is something about church goers that means they don't get the treatment that jdavidbakr would normally like to dish out.  Why is this?  What would be the case if it were a synagogue instead of a church?  What if it were the KKK, some bizzarro sheep molesting organisation or a group that asserts that cheese is better than grapefruits?  Why does anything calling itself a religion get treated with kid gloves when it is no different from rhetoric spouted from a nutter with other unsubstantiated, random assertions?

    My point, as well you know, is that why hold back from doing something you think you should because you might offend some specific group as opposed to anyone else.



  • @LoztInSpace said:

    Apparently there is something about church goers that means they don't get the treatment that jdavidbakr would normally like to dish out.  Why is this?  What would be the case if it were a synagogue instead of a church?  What if it were the KKK, some bizzarro sheep molesting organisation or a group that asserts that cheese is better than grapefruits?  Why does anything calling itself a religion get treated with kid gloves when it is no different from rhetoric spouted from a nutter with other unsubstantiated, random assertions?

    My point, as well you know, is that why hold back from doing something you think you should because you might offend some specific group as opposed to anyone else.

    The KKK is not comparable to a church or a synagogue, that is simply absurd.  Religious organizations form the basis of morality in Western Civilization.  They aren't treated with "kid gloves", but with the respect that is due to them.  They aren't always right and it's impossible to verify many of their claims, but most people consider churches to be an important and sacred part of society.  It seems you are the random nutter spouting unsubstantiated assertions.



  • @LoztInSpace said:

    Apparently there is something about church goers that means they don't get the treatment that jdavidbakr would normally like to dish out.  Why is this?  What would be the case if it were a synagogue instead of a church?  What if it were the KKK, some bizzarro sheep molesting organisation or a group that asserts that cheese is better than grapefruits?  Why does anything calling itself a religion get treated with kid gloves when it is no different from rhetoric spouted from a nutter with other unsubstantiated, random assertions?

    My point, as well you know, is that why hold back from doing something you think you should because you might offend some specific group as opposed to anyone else.

     

     Think of it this way: if you were running a business site, and a potential customer did this, would it be worth losing the sale to "teach them a lesson?"  If it was my web design site they stole, I don't think they are a likely candidate for becoming a customer, obviously they are too cheap, so I'd be more likely to make the pages nearly impossible to use.  But from the church perspective, we're not only representing our church but we are also representing Christianity in general - and there's already plenty of bad press about Christians.  And a church is held to a higher moral and ethical standard - and rightly so.  So it is my responsibility to uphold this standard.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Religious organizations form the basis of morality in Western Civilization.  They aren't treated with "kid gloves", but with the respect that is due to them.  
     

    The respect that is due to them?  They deserve no more respect than any other group out there.  Let's look at  The Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, and Child Molestation (many many more could be listed) and then decide what type of "respect" is due to these organizations.  They haven't earned any respect in my eyes that would warrent treating them differently. 



  • @amischiefr said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    Religious organizations form the basis of morality in Western Civilization.  They aren't treated with "kid gloves", but with the respect that is due to them.  
     

    The respect that is due to them?  They deserve no more respect than any other group out there.  Let's look at  The Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, and Child Molestation (many many more could be listed) and then decide what type of "respect" is due to these organizations.  They haven't earned any respect in my eyes that would warrent treating them differently. 

    Find me an organization as big and long-lived as Christianity that hasn't had members do some fucked-up stuff.  It doesn't excuse it, but it shouldn't overshadow the positive accomplishments of the majority of Christians.  Christianity has been a major force in shaping the moral fabric of Western Civilization.  We owe quite a bit of our happiness, freedom and justice to Christianity and ignoring that simply because some jackasses committed immoral acts in its name is short-sighted.  It's also worth nothing that we consider those acts immoral because they violate tenets of Christianity.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @amischiefr said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    Religious organizations form the basis of morality in Western Civilization.  They aren't treated with "kid gloves", but with the respect that is due to them.
     

    The respect that is due to them?  They deserve no more respect than any other group out there.  Let's look at  The Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, and Child Molestation (many many more could be listed) and then decide what type of "respect" is due to these organizations.  They haven't earned any respect in my eyes that would warrent treating them differently. 

    Find me an organization as big and long-lived as Christianity that hasn't had members do some fucked-up stuff.  It doesn't excuse it, but it shouldn't overshadow the positive accomplishments of the majority of Christians.  Christianity has been a major force in shaping the moral fabric of Western Civilization.  We owe quite a bit of our happiness, freedom and justice to Christianity and ignoring that simply because some jackasses committed immoral acts in its name is short-sighted.  It's also worth nothing that we consider those acts immoral because they violate tenets of Christianity.

    I agree with Morbs. Christianity is probably the greatest influencing factor on the entire western world, in law and culture at least. My own beliefs are weird and a little complicated, but my basic view on christianity is that they did some good stuff, although that may be for the wrong reasons, and did some bad stuff. Other people and organisations have a mixture of acts to their name; look at Churchill. A brilliant speaker, and probably the best prime minister we could have had during WWII. But the guy invented concentration camps while he was in charge of the navy in WWI, an idea picked up on by Hitler later on. However i still believe him to be among the greatest people to have ever lived. The basis of christianity maybe a little shaky (the more fantastical stuff is a WTF of its own) but Jesus was probably a genuinely wise person, who had some good things to say. Just not the son of god.

    Oh and amischeifr, I really wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition



  • What? Churchill invented concentration camps in WWI? Mustn't tell that to Kitchener, he'd be furious to be thus ignored.

     

    And although the things share the name, they're hardly comparable to Germany's concentration camps.



  • Shit, sorry. I can't tell if this is a faulty memory or a faulty history teacher. Time for some soul-searching. And possibly electro-shock treatment. I've always wandered what a screaming history teacher sounds like.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @amischiefr said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    Religious organizations form the basis of morality in Western Civilization.  They aren't treated with "kid gloves", but with the respect that is due to them.  
     

    The respect that is due to them?  They deserve no more respect than any other group out there.  Let's look at  The Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, and Child Molestation (many many more could be listed) and then decide what type of "respect" is due to these organizations.  They haven't earned any respect in my eyes that would warrent treating them differently. 

    Find me an organization as big and long-lived as Christianity that hasn't had members do some fucked-up stuff.  It doesn't excuse it, but it shouldn't overshadow the positive accomplishments of the majority of Christians.  Christianity has been a major force in shaping the moral fabric of Western Civilization.  We owe quite a bit of our happiness, freedom and justice to Christianity and ignoring that simply because some jackasses committed immoral acts in its name is short-sighted.  It's also worth nothing that we consider those acts immoral because they violate tenets of Christianity.

    It is very possible to have standards, morals and ethics that align with [the good bits of] Christianity without being a Christian.  Anyone with a basic education, a sense of worth who lives in a supportive society will tend to behave quite reasonably under most situations.

    Of course there is that strange bit of the brain that gets flipped when you mention god, vi/emacs Windows/Linux where everything gets thrown out the window, taking the good stuff with it.



  • @LoztInSpace said:

    It is very possible to have standards, morals and ethics that align with [the good bits of] Christianity without being a Christian.  Anyone with a basic education, a sense of worth who lives in a supportive society will tend to behave quite reasonably under most situations.

    Who said you had to be a Christian?  If you aren't going to make an effort to read and comprehend what I am saying I'm not going to waste my time on you.  My point was that Christianity is intimately linked with Western Civilization and the values thereof.  We would not have the values that align with Christianity with having Christianity to begin with.  Of course it has its ups and downs (as does any worthwhile human endeavor) but I think it has overall been positive.  I'm not even trying to say that Christianity is the only way to achieve decency and morality, just that religion tends to form a solid base for the ethics and morals of a society.  I show respect to the United States government even with the mistakes that have been made in its name.  I may not agree with everything my government does, but I'm not about to spew vile and hateful nonsense at it.  Christianity also forms a very important part of my country and society and I consider showing it due respect to be the decent thing to do.  I'm not saying anyone should be goatse'd, but you would have to be a real asshole to do that to a church and you would have to be a real dimwit to claim that churches do not deserve respect in our society.



  • @stewieatb said:

    Jesus was probably a genuinely wise person, who had some good things to say. Just not the son of god.
    Because claiming to be the son of God and getting cruicified is such a genuinely wise plan :o



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    We would not have the values that align with Christianity with having Christianity to begin with. 

    My point is that I don't think that is necessarily true - I believe we would have got there, or close to there anyway.

    @morbiuswilters said:

     

    Christianity also forms a very important part of my country and society and I consider showing it due respect to be the decent thing to do....you would have to be a real dimwit to claim that churches do not deserve respect in our society.

    True.  Any organisation may be due respect because of their actions.  This is no different from superb leaders, charity workers, volunteer firefighters, doctors, community groups, cops, army etc.  My view is that respect should not be given by default simply because it is a relegion and as such we must respect their strange beliefs , which is the implication of this:

    @jdavidbakr said:

      

     If it wasn't a church site they were hotlinking from, I would be doing a lot more.  Trust me.

    I read that as 'unconditional fear of god' type of reverence rather than 'they're a good bunch of blokes', so on reflection perhaps I got it wrong



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    My point was that Christianity is intimately linked with Western Civilization and the values thereof.  We would not have the values that align with Christianity with having Christianity to begin with.
    As opposed to, say, Christianity growing out of a society that had those values to start with?



  • @PJH said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    My point was that Christianity is intimately linked with Western Civilization and the values thereof.  We would not have the values that align with Christianity with having Christianity to begin with.
    As opposed to, say, Christianity growing out of a society that had those values to start with?

     

    Perhaps religion is more like a spec. You can do all sorts of good, but if it's written in a book it becomes so much easier to scale and distribute.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    We would not have the values that align with Christianity with having Christianity to begin with. 

     

    I have to dissagree with you on this point.  You are making a broad assumption that moral beliefs stem from religion rather than acknowledging the possibility that religeous beliefs might have been crafted / written down based on morals that already existed in society.  Maybe way before the old or new testiments were written, societies had general rules such as "thou shalt not kill".  shrug 



  • @stewieatb said:

    The basis of christianity maybe a little shaky (the more fantastical stuff is a WTF of its own) but Jesus was probably a genuinely wise person, who had some good things to say. Just not the son of god.

    I'm sorry, but that's just begging for a C.S. Lewis quote. Strangely enough I came across this quote earlier today in an article I was reading:

    <font><font class="f" size="2" color="#222222">I am trying here to prevent
    anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him:
    'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept
    His claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who
    was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a
    great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic -- on the level with
    the man who says he is a poached egg -- or else he would be the Devil
    of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the
    Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up
    for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can
    fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with
    any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has
    not left that open to us. He did not intend to. - Mere Christianity
    </font></font>



  • @PJH said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    My point was that Christianity is intimately linked with Western Civilization and the values thereof.  We would not have the values that align with Christianity with having Christianity to begin with.
    As opposed to, say, Christianity growing out of a society that had those values to start with?

    Which society had those values to begin with?  Judeo-Christianity was quite influential in the development of Western Civilization.  Of course, there were plenty of other influences that got integrated into Western Civilization and Christianity; I'm not implying all good came from Christianity.  However, it has long formed the basis of morality in the developed world.  Could we have developed similar morality to what we have today with another faith?  Sure, but we didn't, so it's all hypothetical. 



  • @amischiefr said:

    I have to dissagree with you on this point.  You are making a broad assumption that moral beliefs stem from religion rather than acknowledging the possibility that religeous beliefs might have been crafted / written down based on morals that already existed in society.  Maybe way before the old or new testiments were written, societies had general rules such as "thou shalt not kill".  shrug

    We know a pretty good deal about non-Judeo-Christian societies, so there is no need to speculate.  I'm not saying that morality must always come from religion, but to deny that the morality that is fundamental to Western Civilization did not come primarily from Judeo-Christianity is absurd.  Most societies have some sort of moral base (such as "thou shalt not kill"), simply because most people don't want to be killed.  However, many moral systems make exceptions to this.  The ancient Greeks were quite misogynistic and treated women as second-class citizens.  Women frequently died from forced abortions because the Greeks would simply cut the woman open and rip the fetus out with no concern for the life of the woman.  In fact, most primitive cultures other than Judaism had no concept of equal rights for women.  The few were women were treated well were often matriarchal paganism and worshiped women as the creators of life.  Judaism was pretty revolutionary in its concept of equality for all members of Israel.  They did not believe in human sacrifice and by-and-large maintained a society based on the rule of law.

     

    Christianity changed things even more by making charity and love of mankind central tenets of the faith.  Jesus primarily ministered to the poor, sick, downtrodden and sinful and he spoke truth to power by rejecting the authority of the Roman Empire.  In fact, one of the primary arguments of Nietzsche was that the profound influence Christianity had on Western Civilization was a bad thing.  He felt that Christianity venerated weakness and shunned strength and that society would rot from within unless there was a reversal in direction.  He was not fond of equality before the law, nor really even the rule of law.  One of his more famous statements (paraphrased because I am too lazy to look it up) was "God is dead, he has choked to death on his own compassion."  It's hard to deny that compassion, rule of law and equality are central pillars of Western Civilization and it's pretty clear that Judeo-Christianity is the single biggest reason for that.



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