The Official Website of Beijing 2008



  • Viewed in FF, it's full of misaligned tables, overlapping text, hyperlinks that spawn new windows/tabs, and pages like this:



  • Right you are, sir! I, for one, find their markup and lack of standards observance completely preposterous!



  • seems ok in my FF (3.0.1)



  • And I have no problem in Safari - which can be very pedantic at times.



  • I usually don't give a shit about web standards Nazis, but pop-ups should be used sparingly as they are more often than not a UI sin.  As far as that screenshot goes, it looks like assholes. 



  • @TunnelPound said:

    Right you are, sir! I, for one, find their markup and lack of standards observance completely preposterous!
     

     

     I think it's more along the lines of the fact that their 2.15 / 7'1" is 115m tall.



  • @OzPeter said:

    And I have no problem in Safari - which can be very pedantic at times.

    The snapshot is
    http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/Team/9990792.shtml
    which looks the same in my Safari (3.0.4) as in my FF (2). It looks better on IE.

    That's just one example, however. The whole site looks slapped together by Hu Jintao's nephew, which I find rather disconcerting for an organization that grossed about five billion dollars in revenues on the opening ceremony alone.



  • @JvdL said:

    The snapshot is
    http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/Team/9990792.shtml
    which looks the same in my Safari (3.0.4) as in my FF (2). It looks better on IE.

    That's just one example, however. The whole site looks slapped together by Hu Jintao's nephew, which I find rather disconcerting for an organization that grossed about five billion dollars in revenues on the opening ceremony alone.

    Now I see the exact page I agree that it is shit. I poked around in various other pages with tables and didn't see any problems. Given the way the data is laid out on that particular page it looks like someone screwed up when pulling data from the DB. Perhaps its the page trying to cope with missing data that has it all upset?


  • @JvdL said:

    http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/Team/9990792.shtml

    well, yeah, this one looks a little funny (table about five times wider than my monitor)..



  • @JvdL said:

    The snapshot is
    http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/Team/9990792.shtml
    which looks the same in my Safari (3.0.4) as in my FF (2). It looks better on IE.

    I just got around to looking at it in IE 7 and it works fine there ... surprise!



  • In FF3 with scripts disabled the table is really wide, with scripts enabled the text overlaps.



  • It's applying float:left toTDs, which may be choking FFX(3) and Opera.

    IE7 and 8 ignore the declaration, which one might assume is the sane thing to do, because IT'S A TABLE CELL.



  • FF(3.0) with IE Tab works just fine... they must've only tested it in IE.



  • I'm surprised it's running on Apache. I thought all Chinese websites ran on illegal copies of Windows + IIS. 🙂 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    I usually don't give a shit about web standards Nazis...

     

    That seemed to be the opinion of the creators of the Sydney 2000 Olympics website too, but they only got fined $20,000 for that. It seems that wasn't enough to encourage the Chinese to listen to the, umm, Nazis.

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/soa/Olympic-Web-site-told-to-pay-AU-20-000/0,139023165,120106727,00.htm
     



  •  In communist china, web standards complies to IE6.



  • @gutch said:

    That seemed to be the opinion of the creators of the Sydney 2000 Olympics website too, but they only got fined $20,000 for that. It seems that wasn't enough to encourage the Chinese to listen to the, umm, Nazis.

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/soa/Olympic-Web-site-told-to-pay-AU-20-000/0,139023165,120106727,00.htm

    Yeah, but it's $20k AUD, which is like $5 of real money.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Yeah, but it's $20k AUD, which is like $5 of real money.

    Oh so you mean like Euros??



  • @OzPeter said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    Yeah, but it's $20k AUD, which is like $5 of real money.

    Oh so you mean like Euros??

     by placing only a "$" he could have meant any number of currencies.  However, Euros is not one of them.  it has it's own symbol which is so unimportant that it's not even on my keyboard!

     



  • @tster said:

    by placing only a "$" he could have meant any number of currencies.  However, Euros is not one of them.  it has it's own symbol which is so unimportant that it's not even on my keyboard!

    You're right (and unfortunately for my posting the US $ has risen above the $CAD - so I can't use that one any more), but I went with the emotional statement of real money, by which I think the Euro currently wipes the $US.


    Of course I could always go further down your path and say "what's a Euro sign look like? There ain't none on my keyboard, so I'll just assume it looks like a $ sign"



  • @tster said:

    @OzPeter said:

    @morbiuswilters said:
    Yeah, but it's $20k AUD, which is like $5 of real money.

    Oh so you mean like Euros??

     by placing only a "$" he could have meant any number of currencies.  However, Euros is not one of them.  it has it's own symbol which is so unimportant that it's not even on my keyboard!

     

    The only reason the $ is on the keyboards of many countries that don't use it is because it is significant in certain programming languages (although it doesn't hold the same location over the four, it is usually more on the sidelines)



    And unless encoding messes with this, this should be the Euro symbol:







    Basically a C with two horizontal lines (as opposed to an S with two vertical ones.) Looked at a certain way it resembles a stylized E.



  • @OzPeter said:

    but I went with the emotional statement of real money, by which I think the Euro currently wipes the $US.
     

    I think you'll find that internationally speaking, the USD is still the most widely used currency in the world.  It's also most definitially the most important international currency.  Furthermore, while the recent declines in the dollar were substantial, it's 200+ year history, as well as the political stability of the United States government make it a better long term bet for a stable currency.  One problem with the Euro is that it is backed by a union of countries that have spent a good deal of recent history killing each other.  Anyways, I know that you were just joking around (as was I), but I thought it might be interesting to delve into this topic.



  • @tster said:

    Anyways, I know that you were just joking around (as was I), but I thought it might be interesting to delve into this topic.

    Oh... and GO AMERICA!



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Yeah, but it's $20k AUD, which is like $5 of real money.
     

    At least AUD notes feel like real money, unlike the papery USD which could have been printed on my inkjet! And don't get me started on being able to tell the different denominations apart...



  • @Zemm said:

    And don't get me started on being able to tell the different denominations apart...

    We invented this thing called "reading" to help us with that.  By printing various symbols on the bills, we can distinguish one denomination from the other*.  Then again, the US was able to invent reading because we weren't pre-occupied with roping kangaroos.

     

    * It also has the added bonus of making it easy to trick illiterate people into giving you more money than they intended to.



  • @Zemm said:

    And don't get me started on being able to tell the different denominations apart...

    I just wish they'd get rid of 1 cent pieces, as well as crappy $1 notes. On the coin side they generally have this informal, voluntary solution with these little "Give a penny, take a penny" trays placed near cash registers, but I really wish that they would formalize this system and do away with the damn devil spawn of a coin. And on the $1 note side - they actually have a 1$ coin in circulation, yet still use those crappy beat up $1 notes.

    @morbiuswilters said:

    By printing various symbols on the bills, we can distinguish one denomination from the other

    I'll have to mention that one to some blind people and see what they think. Oh .. I guess that people already know what they think

    @morbiuswilters said:

    It also has the added bonus of making it easy to trick illiterate people into giving you more money than they intended to.

    You forgot to mention having a $2 denomination note that which is so rare in circulation(*) that people working in stores have been known to call the cops when a customer presents such a note on the basis that it must be a forgery because no-one recognises it as real money.

    *Unless you visit Monticello, Jefferson's estate - where they give it out as change. Jefferson is the president whose pic is on a $2 note



  • @OzPeter said:

    I'll have to mention that one to some blind people and see what they think.

    That was cold, man.  Blind people shouldn't be spending money anyway, it just encourages shopkeepers to give them a cardboard box full of live snakes no matter what they purchase.  The shopkeeper then moves his store across town so the customer won't be able to find him.  This is a tragedy and to prevent it blind people shouldn't be allowed to purchase anything.  If you can't see the currency, you can't see if you're getting a bottle of Coke or a cardboard box full of angry rattlesnakes.

     

    @OzPeter said:

    You forgot to mention having a $2 denomination note that which is so rare in circulation(*) that people working in stores have been known to call the cops when a customer presents such a note on the basis that it must be a forgery because no-one recognises it as real money.

    I never understood why the stores don't just tell employees to refuse $2 bills.  It would inform the register workers that they exist but also prevent the store from having to deal with an odd currency that can't easily be grouped with others.

     

    @OzPeter said:

    *Unless you visit Monticello, Jefferson's estate - where they give it out as change. Jefferson is the president whose pic is on a $2 note

    This isn't a history class.  You're boring everyone.  Stop boring everyone.


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