Idiocy by proxy



  • This is an on-going discussion with a client and their 'SEO expert' and one of our developers.... Top message is most recent. The instructions provided I could paste here, but they're piteous and boilerplate enough that they're easily identifiable.

    Hello,

    Please find the attached optimization instructions. You will find 4
    separate attachments.

    1. Sitemap.xml - This needs to be uploaded to your home directory.
    2. Googlesitemapinstructions.txt - Instructions on how to implement the Google sitemap.
    3. www.maggiescosmetics.com _Instructions.txt - Search engine optimization
      instructions for the website.

    Please let us know when the above is complete.

    We will await your reply.

    Sincerely,

    Customer Support
    http://www.enroleverywhere.com

    On 28 May 2008, at 13:21, info@maggiescosmetics.com wrote:

    Hi Bob
    Please advise.
    Thanks
    Margaret

    Bob writes :

    Hi Margaret,

    I contacted you about this shortly after they contacted us - I'm
    afraid we can't do the integration work free of charge, as most of
    their requests are fairly general 'please SEO the site' type   requests,
    and will require some time to integrate. As I previously said,  we're
    perfectly happy to give them access to make the changes  themselves -
    they need only email at the start of their business day with  their IP
    address and we'll give them FTP access.

    Thanks,

    Bob

    SEO Experts ::

    Hi Margaret,

    We created custom on-site optimization instructions because we  were  told
    they would be implemented to the site. We normally would charge our
    hourly fee, but we didn't. Now we are being told we wasted our  time...

    We would be perfectly happy to do the re-optimization of the  site  again
    at no charge whatsoever, but they need to open up the firewall.  As we
    have explained previously, we have DYNAMIC IP addresses. At a  simple
    refresh of our browser we could get another IP address and not be  able
    to upload due to their firewall.

    Sincerely,

    Customer Support
    http://www.enroleverywhere.com

    Hi Bob
    As you can see from the response we have arrived at a stalemate  - any suggestions?
    Regards
    Margaret

    Bob writes::

    Hi Margaret,

    They won't get a new IP address each time they refresh their  browser -
    DHCP simply does not work this way. Dynamic IPs are typically leased
    for the duration of a connection, plus a buffer window in order to
    cater for connections dropped for short periods, so unless they
    restart their router in between every page load, their IP should be
    static for the entire duration of their connection - if their IP
    shifted randomly throughout their internet session it would make
    virtually any internet usage impossible.

    As I said, they're welcome to email with their IP address when they
    start their internet connection up in the morning, as I take it they
    shut it down overnight, and I'll open up the firewall for them.
    There's absolutely no way we can open up the firewall to all traffic
    for an extended period, as it would put both your site and other
    client sites at risk.

    Thanks,

    Bob

    ----- Forwarded message from support@enroleverywhere.com -----
     Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:05:06 -0700
     From: "enroleverywhere.com" support@enroleverywhere.com
    Reply-To: "enroleverywhere.com" support@enroleverywhere.com
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: maggiescosmetics.com - on-site optimization   instructions
       To: info@maggiescosmetics.com

    Hi Margaret,

    Although we appreciate bob's opinion on the matter, but he is
    completely mistaken. The whole point of a DYNAMIC IP is you simply  don't
    know for how long the IP will remain in place. It can change with a
    simple refresh as we explained. Our network runs on 6 different  DYNAMIC
    IP addresses as such there is no guarantee whatsoever they will remain
    in place by the time they add our IP to their firewall. Please note,  we
    tried this system twice already and our IP address had changed both
    times they added it to the firewall.

    For the most part they just need to copy and
    paste. It should take no more than 45 minutes to complete our
    instructions.

    Sincerely,

    Customer Support
    http://www.enroleverywhere.com

    Hi Margaret,

    Unfortunately, he's mistaken about my being mistaken - I spent three
    years developing thin-client trading software and architecting
    networks for the financial industry - the only possible scenario that
    would describe his situation would be if he's on a pooled connection
    with some kind of outgoing round robin DNS, although such a setup
    would be extremely improbable. If he has 6 dynamic IPs, it's
    absolutely not a problem for me to add each of them to the apf setup -
    also, if there's a specific netblock his IPs will lie within, I can
    add that if he can provide it in CIDR notation.

    Thanks,

    Bob

    Hi Bob
    This is the response I got:
    "This morning just on the machine I am on alone the DYNAMIC (not static)
    IP address has changed 3 times..."

    I can't see an end to this situation!

    Margaret

    Hi Margaret,

    I can send him an archive of the complete site structure, which he can then amend, re-archive, and I'll upload, if that suits him.

    Bob

    Hi Margaret,

    If you recall, we already tried giving it to them on 2 different
    occasions.
    Download is not possible because our IP is changing. Each time, by
    the time they added it to the firewall our IP address had changed. So we
    are confused as to the disbelief on dynamic IP addresses and how they
    work...

    Sincerely,

    Customer Support
    http://www.enroleverywhere.com



  • GAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! "Sir, we've detected a giant wall of text at 12 o'clock!" "Hard to port!"



  • GAHH!! My eyes!!! TL;DNR!



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  • The forum software is the real wtf...

    FFS.



  • @vonNeumann said:

    The forum software is the real wtf...

    FFS.

     

    We all do fine with it... Must be you.



  • Screwed up line ends i guess. here's my go at it, copied from pagesource:


    This is an on-going discussion with a client and their 'SEO expert' and one of our developers.... Top message is most recent. The instructions provided I could paste here, but they're piteous and boilerplate enough that they're easily identifiable.
    
    Hello,
    
     Please find the attached optimization instructions. You will find 4
     separate attachments.
    
     1) Sitemap.xml - This needs to be uploaded to your home directory.
     2) Googlesitemapinstructions.txt - Instructions on how to implement the Google sitemap.
     3) www.maggiescosmetics.com _Instructions.txt - Search engine optimization
     instructions for the website.
    
    
     Please let us know when the above is complete.
    
     We will await your reply.
    
     Sincerely,
    
     Customer Support
     http://www.enroleverywhere.com
    
    
    On 28 May 2008, at 13:21, info@maggiescosmetics.com wrote:
    > Hi Bob > Please advise. > Thanks > Margaret Bob writes : Hi Margaret, I contacted you about this shortly after they contacted us - I'm afraid we can't do the integration work free of charge, as most of their requests are fairly general 'please SEO the site' type   requests, and will require some time to integrate. As I previously said,  we're perfectly happy to give them access to make the changes  themselves - they need only email at the start of their business day with  their IP address and we'll give them FTP access. Thanks, Bob SEO Experts :: Hi Margaret, We created custom on-site optimization instructions because we  were  told they would be implemented to the site. We normally would charge our hourly fee, but we didn't. Now we are being told we wasted our  time... We would be perfectly happy to do the re-optimization of the  site  again at no charge whatsoever, but they need to open up the firewall.  As we have explained previously, we have DYNAMIC IP addresses. At a  simple refresh of our browser we could get another IP address and not be  able to upload due to their firewall. Sincerely, Customer Support http://www.enroleverywhere.com Hi Bob As you can see from the response we have arrived at a stalemate  - any suggestions? Regards Margaret Bob writes:: Hi Margaret, They won't get a new IP address each time they refresh their  browser - DHCP simply does not work this way. Dynamic IPs are typically leased for the duration of a connection, plus a buffer window in order to cater for connections dropped for short periods, so unless they restart their router in between every page load, their IP should be static for the entire duration of their connection - if their IP shifted randomly throughout their internet session it would make virtually any internet usage impossible. As I said, they're welcome to email with their IP address when they start their internet connection up in the morning, as I take it they shut it down overnight, and I'll open up the firewall for them. There's absolutely no way we can open up the firewall to all traffic for an extended period, as it would put both your site and other client sites at risk. Thanks, Bob ----- Forwarded message from support@enroleverywhere.com -----  Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:05:06 -0700  From: "enroleverywhere.com" Reply-To: "enroleverywhere.com" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: maggiescosmetics.com - on-site optimization   instructions    To: info@maggiescosmetics.com Hi Margaret, Although we appreciate bob's opinion on the matter, but he is completely mistaken. The whole point of a DYNAMIC IP is you simply  don't know for how long the IP will remain in place. It can change with a simple refresh as we explained. Our network runs on 6 different  DYNAMIC IP addresses as such there is no guarantee whatsoever they will remain in place by the time they add our IP to their firewall. Please note,  we tried this system twice already and our IP address had changed both times they added it to the firewall. For the most part they just need to copy and paste. It should take no more than 45 minutes to complete our instructions. Sincerely, Customer Support http://www.enroleverywhere.com Hi Margaret, Unfortunately, he's mistaken about my being mistaken - I spent three years developing thin-client trading software and architecting networks for the financial industry - the only possible scenario that would describe his situation would be if he's on a pooled connection with some kind of outgoing round robin DNS, although such a setup would be extremely improbable. If he has 6 dynamic IPs, it's absolutely not a problem for me to add each of them to the apf setup - also, if there's a specific netblock his IPs will lie within, I can add that if he can provide it in CIDR notation. Thanks, Bob Hi Bob This is the response I got: "This morning just on the machine I am on alone the DYNAMIC (not static) IP address has changed 3 times..." I can't see an end to this situation! Margaret Hi Margaret, I can send him an archive of the complete site structure, which he can then amend, re-archive, and I'll upload, if that suits him. Bob > Hi Margaret, > > If you recall, we already tried giving it to them on 2 different > occasions. > Download is not possible because our IP is changing. Each time, by > the time they added it to the firewall our IP address had changed. So we > are confused as to the disbelief on dynamic IP addresses and how they > work... Sincerely, Customer Support http://www.enroleverywhere.com


  • Improved version:



    Thisisanon-goingdiscussionwithaclientandtheir'SEOexpert'andoneofourdevelopers....Topmessageismostrecent.TheinstructionsprovidedIcouldpastehere,butthey'repiteousandboiler

    plateenoughthatthey'reeasilyidentifiable.Hello,Pleasefindtheattachedoptimizationinstructions.Youwillfind4separateattachments.1)Sitemap.xml-Thisneedstobeuploadedtoyourhome

    directory.2)Googlesitemapinstructions.txt-InstructionsonhowtoimplementtheGooglesitemap.3)www.maggiescosmetics.com_Instructions.txt-Searchengineoptimizationinstructions

    forthewebsite.Pleaseletusknowwhentheaboveiscomplete.Wewillawaityourreply.Sincerely,CustomerSupporthttp://www.enroleverywhere.comOn28May2008,at13:21,info@maggie

    scosmetics.comwrote:>HiBob>Pleaseadvise.>Thanks>MargaretBobwrites:HiMargaret,Icontactedyouaboutthisshortlyaftertheycontactedus-I'mafraidwecan'tdotheintegrationworkf

    reeofcharge,asmostoftheirrequestsarefairlygeneral'pleaseSEOthesite'typerequests,andwillrequiresometimetointegrate.AsIpreviouslysaid,we'reperfectlyhappytogivethemaccesstoma

    kethechangesthemselves-theyneedonlyemailatthestartoftheirbusinessdaywiththeirIPaddressandwe'llgivethemFTPaccess.Thanks,BobSEOExperts::HiMargaret,Wecreatedcustomon-s

    iteoptimizationinstructionsbecauseweweretoldtheywouldbeimplementedtothesite.Wenormallywouldchargeourhourlyfee,butwedidn't.Nowwearebeingtoldwewastedourtime...Wew

    ouldbeperfectlyhappytodothere-optimizationofthesiteagainatnochargewhatsoever,buttheyneedtoopenupthefirewall.Aswehaveexplainedpreviously,wehaveDYNAMICIPaddresses.Ata

    simplerefreshofourbrowserwecouldgetanotherIPaddressandnotbeabletouploadduetotheirfirewall.Sincerely,CustomerSupporthttp://www.enroleverywhere.comHiBobAsyoucanseefro

    mtheresponsewehavearrivedatastalemate-anysuggestions?RegardsMargaretBobwrites::HiMargaret,Theywon'tgetanewIPaddresseachtimetheyrefreshtheirbrowser-DHCPsimplydoesno

    tworkthisway.DynamicIPsaretypicallyleasedforthedurationofaconnection,plusabufferwindowinordertocaterforconnectionsdroppedforshortperiods,sounlesstheyrestarttheirrouterinbet

    weeneverypageload,theirIPshouldbestaticfortheentiredurationoftheirconnection-iftheirIPshiftedrandomlythroughouttheirinternetsessionitwouldmakevirtuallyanyinternetusageimpossib

    le.AsIsaid,they'rewelcometoemailwiththeirIPaddresswhentheystarttheirinternetconnectionupinthemorning,asItakeittheyshutitdownovernight,andI'llopenupthefirewallforthem.There's

    absolutelynowaywecanopenupthefirewalltoalltrafficforanextendedperiod,asitwouldputbothyoursiteandotherclientsitesatrisk.Thanks,Bob-----Forwardedmessagefromsupport@enrolever

    ywhere.com-----Date:Wed,04Jun200814:05:06-0700From:"enroleverywhere.com"Reply-To:"enroleverywhere.com"Subject:Re:Fwd:Re:maggiescosmetics.com-on-siteoptimizationinst

    ructionsTo:info@maggiescosmetics.comHiMargaret,Althoughweappreciatebob'sopiniononthematter,butheiscompletelymistaken.ThewholepointofaDYNAMICIPisyousimplydon'tknowfor

    howlongtheIPwillremaininplace.Itcanchangewithasimplerefreshasweexplained.Ournetworkrunson6differentDYNAMICIPaddressesassuchthereisnoguaranteewhatsoevertheywillremainin

    placebythetimetheyaddourIPtotheirfirewall.Pleasenote,wetriedthissystemtwicealreadyandourIPaddresshadchangedbothtimestheyaddedittothefirewall.Forthemostparttheyjustneedto

    copyandpaste.Itshouldtakenomorethan45minutestocompleteourinstructions.Sincerely,CustomerSupporthttp://www.enroleverywhere.comHiMargaret,Unfortunately,he'smistakenabo

    utmybeingmistaken-Ispentthreeyearsdevelopingthin-clienttradingsoftwareandarchitectingnetworksforthefinancialindustry-theonlypossiblescenariothatwoulddescribehissituationwouldb

    eifhe'sonapooledconnectionwithsomekindofoutgoingroundrobinDNS,althoughsuchasetupwouldbeextremelyimprobable.Ifhehas6dynamicIPs,it'sabsolutelynotaproblemformetoaddeacho

    fthemtotheapfsetup-also,ifthere'saspecificnetblockhisIPswillliewithin,IcanaddthatifhecanprovideitinCIDRnotation.Thanks,BobHiBobThisistheresponseIgot:"Thismorningjustonthemachine

    IamonalonetheDYNAMIC(notstatic)IPaddresshaschanged3times..."Ican'tseeanendtothissituation!MargaretHiMargaret,Icansendhimanarchiveofthecompletesitestructure,whichhecanthe

    namend,re-archive,andI'llupload,ifthatsuitshim.Bob>HiMargaret,>>Ifyourecall,wealreadytriedgivingittothemon2different>occasions.>DownloadisnotpossiblebecauseourIPischanging.Eac

    htime,by>thetimetheyaddedittothefirewallourIPaddresshadchanged.Sowe>areconfusedastothedisbeliefondynamicIPaddressesandhowthey>work...Sincerely,CustomerSupporthttp://w

    ww.enroleverywhere.com



    It takes even less space!



  • Fail.



  • mewin!
    the software is detecting the html tags in the text block (&gt;) and switches to html mode, meaning line ends get screwed/are ignored. using pre tags helps.



  • Aside from the lack of breaks, it's also missing breaks in-between the e-mails, so it's hard to determine the separation point. Therefore, the whole damn thing reads like this:



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  • Better version:

    This
    is
    an
    on-going
    discussion
    with
    a
    client
    and
    their
    'SEO
    expert'
    and
    one
    of
    our
    developers....
    Top
    message
    is
    most
    recent.
    The
    instructions
    provided
    I
    could
    paste
    here,
    but
    they're
    piteous
    and
    boilerplate
    enough
    that
    they're
    easily
    identifiable.
    Hello,
    Please
    find
    the
    attached
    optimization
    instructions.
    You
    will
    find
    4
    separate
    attachments.
    1)
    Sitemap.xml
    -
    This
    needs
    to
    be
    uploaded
    to
    your
    home
    directory.
    2)
    Googlesitemapinstructions.txt
    -
    Instructions
    on
    how
    to
    implement
    the
    Google
    sitemap.
    3)
    www.maggiescosmetics.com
    _Instructions.txt
    -
    Search
    engine
    optimization
    instructions
    for
    the
    website.
    Please
    let
    us
    know
    when
    the
    above
    is
    complete.
    We
    will
    await
    your
    reply.
    Sincerely,
    Customer
    Support
    http://www.enroleverywhere.com
    On
    28
    May
    2008,
    at
    13:21,
    info@maggiescosmetics.com
    wrote:
    >
    Hi
    Bob
    >
    Please
    advise.
    >
    Thanks
    >
    Margaret
    Bob
    writes
    :
    Hi
    Margaret,
    I
    contacted
    you
    about
    this
    shortly
    after
    they
    contacted
    us
    -
    I'm
    afraid
    we
    can't
    do
    the
    integration
    work
    free
    of
    charge,
    as
    most
    of
    their
    requests
    are
    fairly
    general
    'please
    SEO
    the
    site'
    type
    requests,
    and
    will
    require
    some
    time
    to
    integrate.
    As
    I
    previously
    said,
    we're
    perfectly
    happy
    to
    give
    them
    access
    to
    make
    the
    changes
    themselves
    -
    they
    need
    only
    email
    at
    the
    start
    of
    their
    business
    day
    with
    their
    IP
    address
    and
    we'll
    give
    them
    FTP
    access.
    Thanks,
    Bob
    SEO
    Experts
    ::
    Hi
    Margaret,
    We
    created
    custom
    on-site
    optimization
    instructions
    because
    we
    were
    told
    they
    would
    be
    implemented
    to
    the
    site.
    We
    normally
    would
    charge
    our
    hourly
    fee,
    but
    we
    didn't.
    Now
    we
    are
    being
    told
    we
    wasted
    our
    time...
    We
    would
    be
    perfectly
    happy
    to
    do
    the
    re-optimization
    of
    the
    site
    again
    at
    no
    charge
    whatsoever,
    but
    they
    need
    to
    open
    up
    the
    firewall.
    As
    we
    have
    explained
    previously,
    we
    have
    DYNAMIC
    IP
    addresses.
    At
    a
    simple
    refresh
    of
    our
    browser
    we
    could
    get
    another
    IP
    address
    and
    not
    be
    able
    to
    upload
    due
    to
    their
    firewall.
    Sincerely,
    Customer
    Support
    http://www.enroleverywhere.com
    Hi
    Bob
    As
    you
    can
    see
    from
    the
    response
    we
    have
    arrived
    at
    a
    stalemate
    -
    any
    suggestions?
    Regards
    Margaret
    Bob
    writes::
    Hi
    Margaret,
    They
    won't
    get
    a
    new
    IP
    address
    each
    time
    they
    refresh
    their
    browser
    -
    DHCP
    simply
    does
    not
    work
    this
    way.
    Dynamic
    IPs
    are
    typically
    leased
    for
    the
    duration
    of
    a
    connection,
    plus
    a
    buffer
    window
    in
    order
    to
    cater
    for
    connections
    dropped
    for
    short
    periods,
    so
    unless
    they
    restart
    their
    router
    in
    between
    every
    page
    load,
    their
    IP
    should
    be
    static
    for
    the
    entire
    duration
    of
    their
    connection
    -
    if
    their
    IP
    shifted
    randomly
    throughout
    their
    internet
    session
    it
    would
    make
    virtually
    any
    internet
    usage
    impossible.
    As
    I
    said,
    they're
    welcome
    to
    email
    with
    their
    IP
    address
    when
    they
    start
    their
    internet
    connection
    up
    in
    the
    morning,
    as
    I
    take
    it
    they
    shut
    it
    down
    overnight,
    and
    I'll
    open
    up
    the
    firewall
    for
    them.
    There's
    absolutely
    no
    way
    we
    can
    open
    up
    the
    firewall
    to
    all
    traffic
    for
    an
    extended
    period,
    as
    it
    would
    put
    both
    your
    site
    and
    other
    client
    sites
    at
    risk.
    Thanks,
    Bob
    -----
    Forwarded
    message
    from
    support@enroleverywhere.com
    -----
    Date:
    Wed,
    04
    Jun
    2008
    14:05:06
    -0700
    From:
    "enroleverywhere.com"
    Reply-To:
    "enroleverywhere.com"
    Subject:
    Re:
    Fwd:
    Re:
    maggiescosmetics.com
    -
    on-site
    optimization
    instructions
    To:
    info@maggiescosmetics.com
    Hi
    Margaret,
    Although
    we
    appreciate
    bob's
    opinion
    on
    the
    matter,
    but
    he
    is
    completely
    mistaken.
    The
    whole
    point
    of
    a
    DYNAMIC
    IP
    is
    you
    simply
    don't
    know
    for
    how
    long
    the
    IP
    will
    remain
    in
    place.
    It
    can
    change
    with
    a
    simple
    refresh
    as
    we
    explained.
    Our
    network
    runs
    on
    6
    different
    DYNAMIC
    IP
    addresses
    as
    such
    there
    is
    no
    guarantee
    whatsoever
    they
    will
    remain
    in
    place
    by
    the
    time
    they
    add
    our
    IP
    to
    their
    firewall.
    Please
    note,
    we
    tried
    this
    system
    twice
    already
    and
    our
    IP
    address
    had
    changed
    both
    times
    they
    added
    it
    to
    the
    firewall.
    For
    the
    most
    part
    they
    just
    need
    to
    copy
    and
    paste.
    It
    should
    take
    no
    more
    than
    45
    minutes
    to
    complete
    our
    instructions.
    Sincerely,
    Customer
    Support
    http://www.enroleverywhere.com
    Hi
    Margaret,
    Unfortunately,
    he's
    mistaken
    about
    my
    being
    mistaken
    -
    I
    spent
    three
    years
    developing
    thin-client
    trading
    software
    and
    architecting
    networks
    for
    the
    financial
    industry
    -
    the
    only
    possible
    scenario
    that
    would
    describe
    his
    situation
    would
    be
    if
    he's
    on
    a
    pooled
    connection
    with
    some
    kind
    of
    outgoing
    round
    robin
    DNS,
    although
    such
    a
    setup
    would
    be
    extremely
    improbable.
    If
    he
    has
    6
    dynamic
    IPs,
    it's
    absolutely
    not
    a
    problem
    for
    me
    to
    add
    each
    of
    them
    to
    the
    apf
    setup
    -
    also,
    if
    there's
    a
    specific
    netblock
    his
    IPs
    will
    lie
    within,
    I
    can
    add
    that
    if
    he
    can
    provide
    it
    in
    CIDR
    notation.
    Thanks,
    Bob
    Hi
    Bob
    This
    is
    the
    response
    I
    got:
    "This
    morning
    just
    on
    the
    machine
    I
    am
    on
    alone
    the
    DYNAMIC
    (not
    static)
    IP
    address
    has
    changed
    3
    times..."
    I
    can't
    see
    an
    end
    to
    this
    situation!
    Margaret
    Hi
    Margaret,
    I
    can
    send
    him
    an
    archive
    of
    the
    complete
    site
    structure,
    which
    he
    can
    then
    amend,
    re-archive,
    and
    I'll
    upload,
    if
    that
    suits
    him.
    Bob
    >
    Hi
    Margaret,
    >
    >
    If
    you
    recall,
    we
    already
    tried
    giving
    it
    to
    them
    on
    2
    different
    >
    occasions.
    >
    Download
    is
    not
    possible
    because
    our
    IP
    is
    changing.
    Each
    time,
    by
    >
    the
    time
    they
    added
    it
    to
    the
    firewall
    our
    IP
    address
    had
    changed.
    So
    we
    >
    are
    confused
    as
    to
    the
    disbelief
    on
    dynamic
    IP
    addresses
    and
    how
    they
    >
    work...
    Sincerely,
    Customer
    Support
    http://www.enroleverywhere.com
    


  • @AbbydonKrafts said:

    GAHH!! My eyes!!! TL;DNR!



    lern2<br>
    I did a view source to view it with the supposed line breaks, and it's not much better.  gets boring pretty quickly.



  • @ab2283 said:

    mewin!
    the software is detecting the html tags in the text block (&gt;) and switches to html mode, meaning line ends get screwed/are ignored. using pre tags helps.
     

    You lose. Learn to use the editor.



  • I seriously doubt that there is a great deal to SEO that couldn't be achieved by any webdeveloper with just a little bit of reading, so I'm already suspicious of people who claim to be SEO experts.

    But seriously,  if you're going to claim to be an expert on any sort of web technology, you should at least have the faintest clue about how TCP/IP works.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    You lose. Learn to use the editor.


    Oh really? looks like the only readable version on this page to me...

    [img]http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1456/meckoy4.png[/img]



  • @ab2283 said:

    Oh really? looks like the only readable version on this page to me...
     

    And you failed copying and pasting. That is excellent.



  • What's your issue?
    Below my last message is a screenshot of my original post with readable text.
    I think you really should read properly before making a fool out of yourself while trying to make fun out of other people.
    Thanks for nothing.



  • @ab2283 said:

    What's your issue?
     

    How about people who complain about the forum software when the issue is a PEBKAC?

    That would be my issue.



  • Now where exactly did you see me complain about the forum software?



  • @ab2283 said:

    Below my last message is a screenshot of my original post with readable text.
    Except for the part where the long lines go out to the right, without the ability to scroll. Also, you must've edited that post before you took a screenshot, because it originally looked worse than that.



  • bstorer: That's interesting. Now the first line's too long for me as well; it wasn't before. Something else on the page must messing with that text's rendering.

    Oh and nope, I didn't edit the post before taking the screenshot.



  • I'll just interject and apologize for my poorly formatted original which seems to have sparked the above flamewar - but there isn't an 'editor' in Safari at all - just a text box that doesn't specify its input (bbcode/html/plaintext etc.)



  • @vonNeumann said:

    The forum software is the real wtf... FFS.
    Seems like you got the famous 'tinyMCE' error I get every once in a while. If you can't see the editor, you're typing in raw HTML, and it will show up as a fugly hunk of text with no line breaks. Ugh!

    Just reload, and reload, and reload ... untill the actual thing works as it should.

    TRWTF is Javascript.



  • I'm just seeing a textbox as well, using Opera 9.5. I suppose it isn't supported....



  • @ab2283 said:

    bstorer:

    Learn to use the goddamned forum software.

     

    @ab2283 said:

    Now the first line's too long for me as well; it wasn't before. Something else on the page must messing with that text's rendering.

    Maybe just maybe the Aliens are trying to warn us about a future Nuclear disaster or it could be the Medicine Stones that brought about this display?  A warning for all to see.  Or it might just be that you are a n00b who can't work the forum editor.

     

    @ab2283 said:

    Oh and nope, I didn't edit the post before taking the screenshot.

    Yes, you did.  Your post was incorrectly formatted before.  Many of us saw it independently.  You went back and edited it.  Stop being a lying douchebag.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Yes, you did.  Your post was incorrectly formatted before.  Many of us saw it independently.  You went back and edited it.  Stop being a lying douchebag.
    Good. I'm glad to see I wasn't imagining things.



  • @ab2283 said:

    I'm just seeing a textbox as well, using Opera 9.5. I suppose it isn't supported....

    Here's a nickel: buy a better browser a single bullet and drive it into your skull with a hammer.

     

    FTFM. 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @ab2283 said:

    bstorer:

    Learn to use the goddamned forum software.

    Please, oh please, is it possible to bring Occam's Razor to this fora? Is it truly possible that only two users are able to use the forum software without problems because of their abilities?

    I've done as much as six reloads at one time, and all of them gave me the dreaded 'tinyMCE not defined' Javascript error. This is on different PC's, so it isn't the clientside configuration. There's something wrong with the forum software, maybe some browsers can handle it, some others might not handle them. Get it?



  • @ab2283 said:

    I'm just seeing a textbox as well, using Opera 9.5. I suppose it isn't supported....
     

    You could always use a real browser.



  • @danixdefcon5 said:

    There's something wrong with the forum software
     

    Nope. Works fine for everyone else.

    @danixdefcon5 said:

    maybe some browsers can handle it, some others might not handle them. Get it?

    Or perhaps you need to get a real browser. 



  • @danixdefcon5 said:

    Please, oh please, is it possible to bring Occam's Razor to this fora? Is it truly possible that only two users are able to use the forum software without problems because of their abilities?

    I've done as much as six reloads at one time, and all of them gave me the dreaded 'tinyMCE not defined' Javascript error. This is on different PC's, so it isn't the clientside configuration. There's something wrong with the forum software, maybe some browsers can handle it, some others might not handle them. Get it?

    What browser are you using?  Also, what is your connection speed?  Finally, are you clicking anything on the page before you wait for it to load?  TinyMCE is a very good package and is used in tons of web software.  Obviously, given the nature of what it tries to do, it is not perfect. 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    What browser are you using?  Also, what is your connection speed?  Finally, are you clicking anything on the page before you wait for it to load?

    http://www.speedtest.net/result/281875862.png 

    That's at work, with IE6. At home, same IE6 with 1Mbps (1024 Kbit/s).

    @morbiuswilters said:

    TinyMCE is a very good package and is used in tons of web software.  Obviously, given the nature of what it tries to do, it is not perfect. 

    I doubt it is TinyMCE on itself failing. It might be how the page's loaded, as sometimes Javascript tends to load in awkward ways if the page is big enough. I've heeded advice on not clicking anything on the page to avoid triggering premature Javascript, but it still happens every now and then.



  • I don't get why you people have to go crazy about this.

    I signed up just for this, because I thought I could help by posting a readable copy. Now I'm a 'lying douchebag'?

    Wow, that's mature and shows how professional you really are. If you're really keen on learning The Truth ™ - ask the admin for a changelog.
    Maybe I am a lying douchebag. It might be possible I get a kick out of it... who knows?

    Maybe you need an editor with builtin arrogance detection.

    Anyway, you managed to get rid of me in a few hours. Congratulations! I'm sure the TDWTF Forums will be a better place without me.



  • @ab2283 said:

    I am a lying douchebag
     

    Agreed.



  • @danixdefcon5 said:

    It might be how the page's loaded, as sometimes Javascript tends to load in awkward ways if the page is big enough.
    Don't worry, the pages on the forum are plenty big. We've seen to that.



  • @ab2283 said:

    Anyway, you managed to get rid of me in a few hours. Congratulations!

    Shit, normally the idiots stay around and argue for a few weeks before going home to cry.  Maybe our skills are sharper now.

     

    @ab2283 said:

    I'm sure the TDWTF Forums will be a better place without me.

    QFT. 



  • OMFG, all of you suck, I can't believe you all use the standard html editor instead of typing in binary, piping the output to your favorite notepad.exe application, and then printing it to a file printer which will then use image scanning software to get text and paste it into your text-based web browser. What is wrong with you all?



  • @dlikhten said:

    OMFG, all of you suck, I can't believe you all use the standard html editor instead of making horribly humorless posts with no concept of spelling, grammar or punctuation.
     

    FTFY.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @ab2283 said:

    I am a lying douchebag
     

    Agreed.

    Epimenides said "all douchebags are liars."



  • @jaykay said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @ab2283 said:

    I am a lying douchebag
     

    Agreed.

    Epimenides said "all douchebags are liars."

    Yeah, well, thanks for that. I believe it was Archimedes who said, "Nobody fucking cares." Or maybe it was Plato.


  •  Another thread killed by the troll squad forum police. Thank you very much.

    As for the e-mails, it looks like the SEOs have no idea how TCP works. Which does make this a WTF, even if it's not a rare one. As for dynamic IPs, didn't AOL empoy some kind of nightmare technique called "rotating proxy" a few aears ago that would ACTUALLY assign a different IP adress for each TCP connection? I might be wrong though.



  •  39 replies.

    1 comment on OP

    38 comments bitching and moaning about forum software and copy-pasting practices.

    FAIL. 



  • @DOA said:

     39 replies.

    1 comment on OP

    38 comments bitching and moaning about forum software and copy-pasting practices.

    FAIL. 

    I see you haven't counted your own post in the bitching and moaning category.



  • @DOA said:

     39 replies.

    1 comment on OP

    38 comments bitching and moaning about forum software and copy-pasting practices.

    FAIL. 

     

    make that 39.  whoops 40



  • @PSWorx said:

     Another thread killed by the troll squad forum police. Thank you very much.
     

    Actually, I believe it was killed by the various walls of text the OP posted, and his insistence it was the forum's fault.



  • @DOA said:

    FAIL. 
     

    Agreed. Posting walls of text and then complaining that the editor sucks is FAIL.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @PSWorx said:

     Another thread killed by the troll squad forum police. Thank you very much.
     

    Actually, I believe it was killed by the various walls of text the OP posted, and his insistence it was the forum's fault.

    Also by you being a relentless dick.

    I suppose we should be used to that by now. 



  • @Zylon said:

    Also by you being a relentless dick.
     

    Why, because I defended the editor?

    I would say it is because we had two idiots who decided to tell us all about how they cannot figure out how to use a simple editor on a forum.

    @Zylon said:

    I suppose we should be used to that by now. 

    Probably. Just like we should be used to idiots coming in at the end of a thread to explain to us all what I did wrong.



  • @PSWorx said:

     Another thread killed by the troll squad forum police. Thank you very much.

     

    The real WTF is the forum software after all.  It fails to let me block those less insightful posters.

    Actually, the subject of the original post was also a WTF (once I was able to read it).   Some one skilled in modifying web sites ought to know more about IP address allocation.  But I don't think I'd want them mucking around in my html anyway, so blocking access is a good thing.



  • @PSWorx said:

     Another thread killed by the troll squad forum police. Thank you very much.

    As for the e-mails, it looks like the SEOs have no idea how TCP works. Which does make this a WTF, even if it's not a rare one. As for dynamic IPs, didn't AOL empoy some kind of nightmare technique called "rotating proxy" a few aears ago that would ACTUALLY assign a different IP adress for each TCP connection? I might be wrong though.

    Heh. Damn I was lured by the trolling. Yes, in fact I laughed when I actually read the (correctly formatted) WTF: these SEO's had no idea of what could be going wrong. It isn't DHCP, of course, but my explanation would be simple: they've got one of those "round-robin" balanced gateways.

    They mentioned outright that they have six dynamic IPs. Their problem isn't that the six IPs switch every time they refresh, the problem is that every time they initiate a connection, the router sends it from a different IP at the external interface level, which wouldn't matter if everyone had a public routeable IP address. However, if they use NAT, and said NAT is implemented in the same "round-robin router", this means all requests are coming from different IPs.

    I once tried to implement something like this, and ended up with a worse situation ... the round-robin did its "balancing" at the packet level, without taking in mind TCP states. So I ended up with a lot of NAT errors in the gateway, and finally opted to throw away the "round-robin" solution.


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