Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ?



  • Maybe this guy is a fake? I don't know.

    What I do know is I found this entertaining and I thought I'd share this with those of you who might not have stumbled upon this Jerry Lee Cooper character before. 

    You are kidding arent you ?

     

    Are you saying that this
    linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As
    in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?

    That sounds preposterous to me.

    If
    it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling
    computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there
    must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that
    windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the
    computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to
    acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.

    Microsoft just spent
    $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound
    reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence
    overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive
    effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money
    developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to
    create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and
    moved to Intel and Microsoft.

    Its just not possible that a
    freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs
    the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the
    more critical parts of windows. Not possible.

    I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.

    [ Original ZDNet Talkback post ]

    [ More here ] In particular:

    Vista is the Future


    Its clearly evident that vista is the future.
    One only has to watch TV for a short period of time and see the advertising.

    WOW !!

    I
    personally love the part where the young man is taking a stroll in the
    delightful snow covered streets, and sees firsthand a young deer with a
    gleefull glint in its eye. It sends a shiver down my spine. WOW is all
    I can say.

    Vista is clearly the future of enterprise computing.



  • This is someone's joke character, not something someone really believes.  The line about OS/2 proves it.  Anyone computer-literate enough to have heard of OS/2 couldn't make this mistake.



  • @seaturnip said:

    This is someone's joke character, not something someone really believes.  The line about OS/2 proves it.  Anyone computer-literate enough to have heard of OS/2 couldn't make this mistake.

    I don't know... have you met dlikhten?



  • @seaturnip said:

    This is someone's joke character, not something someone really believes.  The line about OS/2 proves it.  Anyone computer-literate enough to have heard of OS/2 couldn't make this mistake.

    And Iowans would never choose a Republican presidential candidate who didn't believe in basic science. Never underestimate the power of stupidity. 



  • @seaturnip said:

    This is someone's joke character, not something someone really believes.  The line about OS/2 proves it.  Anyone computer-literate enough to have heard of OS/2 couldn't make this mistake.

    I dunno, it could be one of the MS shills - they're known to frequent zdnet in large numbers. Gets kinda hard to tell the difference between them and the regular crazies at times.



  • This guy's obviously a paid shill. His grammar and spelling is correct but his sentences make no sense.


     



  • Okay, don't laugh but I work on VMS.  Yes, VMS that ran on Vaxes in the 1980's from Digital Equipment.  Not many people know that VMS has outlived the Vax and now runs on Alpha and Integrity platforms.  It was passed on as a company asset when Compaq bought DEC and then again when HP bought Compaq.  Not long after that final company purchase, I had to log a support call with HP.  As part of the usual info-gathering, the rep asked me what OS I was using.  I told him VMS.  Next question:  does that run on Unix?

    Umm, NO!



  • @jetcitywoman said:

    Okay, don't laugh but I work on VMS.  Yes, VMS that ran on Vaxes in the 1980's from Digital Equipment.  Not many people know that VMS has outlived the Vax and now runs on Alpha and Integrity platforms.  It was passed on as a company asset when Compaq bought DEC and then again when HP bought Compaq.  Not long after that final company purchase, I had to log a support call with HP.  As part of the usual info-gathering, the rep asked me what OS I was using.  I told him VMS.  Next question:  does that run on Unix?

    Umm, NO!

    SpectateSwamp is looking for you...  Better hide. He might want to take you back to his shack...

    http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/141396.aspx



  • I'm pretty sure I've seen that troll on slashdot before.



  • This guy is probably a troll, but I think that a lot of people might have trouble grasping the "Windows is NOT my computer" idea.  Linux is pretty unheard of.  Apple limits OS X to Mac hardware so I think most people might jump to the conclusion that somehow the operating system is forever bound to the hardware, and that OS X and Windows are somehow embedded deep within the CPU or something.



  • @jetcitywoman said:

    Okay, don't laugh but I work on VMS.  Yes, VMS that ran on Vaxes in the 1980's from Digital Equipment.  Not many people know that VMS has outlived the Vax and now runs on Alpha and Integrity platforms.  It was passed on as a company asset when Compaq bought DEC and then again when HP bought Compaq.  Not long after that final company purchase, I had to log a support call with HP.  As part of the usual info-gathering, the rep asked me what OS I was using.  I told him VMS.  Next question:  does that run on Unix?

    Umm, NO!

    You called the wrong number. You want to call 800-633-3600 (the replacement for the storied 800-354-9000).




  • Sorry, I think i had a stroke reading that... Snow causes vista to be good? YAY!

    Linux can't run w/o windows underneath it sounds like a Bill O Reily momemt.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @seaturnip said:

    This is someone's joke character, not something someone really believes.  The line about OS/2 proves it.  Anyone computer-literate enough to have heard of OS/2 couldn't make this mistake.

    I don't know... have you met dlikhten?

    Whats OS/2? 



  • @dlikhten said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @seaturnip said:

    This is someone's joke character, not something someone really believes.  The line about OS/2 proves it.  Anyone computer-literate enough to have heard of OS/2 couldn't make this mistake.

    I don't know... have you met dlikhten?

    Whats OS/2? 

    Exactly.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @dlikhten said:
    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @seaturnip said:

    This is someone's joke character, not something someone really believes.  The line about OS/2 proves it.  Anyone computer-literate enough to have heard of OS/2 couldn't make this mistake.

    I don't know... have you met dlikhten?

    Whats OS/2? 

    Exactly.

    Wow man, you REALLY troll it up on this forum... O well. I would put money on the fact that linux can't run without windows is a quote comming straight out of your mouth. Weasel away all you want, you can't fool me!



  • Wow(tm). I've seen a person who doesn't even know what a hard drive is have a better grasp of the concept of Linux.

    Seems likely "jerry" is a troll - especially since he claims hippies on drugs are the only people who understand Linux. 



  • @dlikhten said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:
    @dlikhten said:
    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @seaturnip said:

    This is someone's joke character, not something someone really believes.  The line about OS/2 proves it.  Anyone computer-literate enough to have heard of OS/2 couldn't make this mistake.

    I don't know... have you met dlikhten?

    Whats OS/2? 

    Exactly.

    Wow man, you REALLY troll it up on this forum... O well. I would put money on the fact that linux can't run without windows is a quote comming straight out of your mouth. Weasel away all you want, you can't fool me!

    Right...  Want to try again on that sentence?



  • @dlikhten said:

    Wow man, you REALLY troll it up on this forum... O well. I would put money on the fact that linux can't run without windows is a quote comming straight out of your mouth. Weasel away all you want, you can't fool me!

     Wherever there's a forum, trolls are not far behind.
     



  • @Mal1024 said:

    Wow(tm). I've seen a person who doesn't even know what a hard drive is have a better grasp of the concept of Linux.

    Seems likely "jerry" is a troll - especially since he claims hippies on drugs are the only people who understand Linux. 

    In all fairness, I'm a hippy on drugs, and I understand linux...maybe he's onto something here. I wonder if we'll ever get rid of spam/trolls on the internet, if only there was a way... 



  • @Mal1024 said:

    @dlikhten said:

    Wow man, you REALLY troll it up on this forum... O well. I would put money on the fact that linux can't run without windows is a quote comming straight out of your mouth. Weasel away all you want, you can't fool me!

     Wherever there's a forum, trolls are not far behind.
     

    It don't matter though, I needed the laugh from this post. By god I still am having a hard time believing someone would say that.

    Sounds like Bill O Reily talking about... anything. Just somone talking to the uninformed making it sound like he's right. But he did it on slashdot. So my assumption has to be:

    The poster is either: 

    a) Joking

    or

    b) The most ignorant geek in existence. 

     

    Edit: Whopse forgot my linux needs windowz tags :)  



  • @kaamoss said:

    @Mal1024 said:

    Wow(tm). I've seen a person who doesn't even know what a hard drive is have a better grasp of the concept of Linux.

    Seems likely "jerry" is a troll - especially since he claims hippies on drugs are the only people who understand Linux. 

    In all fairness, I'm a hippy on drugs, and I understand linux...maybe he's onto something here. I wonder if we'll ever get rid of spam/trolls on the internet, if only there was a way... 

    Well all trolls are people.  Get rid of people and you take care of the trolls.

    You might say "get rid of the internet."  That would accomplish nothing, as people can troll in real life.  Seriously, I work with a guy who has no respect for anyone.  Just walks around and tries to start shit and watch the carnage ensue.



  • @belgariontheking said:

    @kaamoss said:
    @Mal1024 said:

    Wow(tm). I've seen a person who doesn't even know what a hard drive is have a better grasp of the concept of Linux.

    Seems likely "jerry" is a troll - especially since he claims hippies on drugs are the only people who understand Linux. 

    In all fairness, I'm a hippy on drugs, and I understand linux...maybe he's onto something here. I wonder if we'll ever get rid of spam/trolls on the internet, if only there was a way... 

    Well all trolls are people.  Get rid of people and you take care of the trolls.

    You might say "get rid of the internet."  That would accomplish nothing, as people can troll in real life.  Seriously, I work with a guy who has no respect for anyone.  Just walks around and tries to start shit and watch the carnage ensue.

    I would smudge some wine on his desk tip :P When he has the nice and bright shirt on. 



  • @dlikhten said:

    @belgariontheking said:

    Well all trolls are people.  Get rid of people and you take care of the trolls.

    You might say "get rid of the internet."  That would accomplish nothing, as people can troll in real life.  Seriously, I work with a guy who has no respect for anyone.  Just walks around and tries to start shit and watch the carnage ensue.

    I would smudge some wine on his desk tip :P When he has the nice and bright shirt on. 

    What I would do is get some strange/disturbing porn, load it onto his machine, hidden, while he's at lunch or something. Wait a few weeks, then submit an anonymous tip to HR that he's looking at pr0n at work. Problem solved. 



  • @kaamoss said:

    @dlikhten said:
    @belgariontheking said:

    Well all trolls are people.  Get rid of people and you take care of the trolls.

    You might say "get rid of the internet."  That would accomplish nothing, as people can troll in real life.  Seriously, I work with a guy who has no respect for anyone.  Just walks around and tries to start shit and watch the carnage ensue.

    I would smudge some wine on his desk tip :P When he has the nice and bright shirt on. 

    What I would do is get some strange/disturbing porn, load it onto his machine, hidden, while he's at lunch or something. Wait a few weeks, then submit an anonymous tip to HR that he's looking at pr0n at work. Problem solved. 

    I don't know. I like the approach of taking a screen shot on his machine of a really nasty site. Than set the screenshot as the wallpaper (complete with some desktop icons in the background). When they come back... Hilarity ensues.

    Click

    Click

    "Oh shit!"

    Power

    look around to make sure no one is looking

    restart

    "Oh shit!"

     



  • @kaamoss said:

    @dlikhten said:
    @belgariontheking said:

    Well all trolls are people.  Get rid of people and you take care of the trolls.

    You might say "get rid of the internet."  That would accomplish nothing, as people can troll in real life.  Seriously, I work with a guy who has no respect for anyone.  Just walks around and tries to start shit and watch the carnage ensue.

    I would smudge some wine on his desk tip :P When he has the nice and bright shirt on. 

    What I would do is get some strange/disturbing porn, load it onto his machine, hidden, while he's at lunch or something. Wait a few weeks, then submit an anonymous tip to HR that he's looking at pr0n at work. Problem solved. 

    That would work, but that is if he does not lock his comp. And you gota be quick or be dead :P 



  • @kaamoss said:

    @dlikhten said:
    @belgariontheking said:

    Well all trolls are people.  Get rid of people and you take care of the trolls.

    You might say "get rid of the internet."  That would accomplish nothing, as people can troll in real life.  Seriously, I work with a guy who has no respect for anyone.  Just walks around and tries to start shit and watch the carnage ensue.

    I would smudge some wine on his desk tip :P When he has the nice and bright shirt on. 

    What I would do is get some strange/disturbing porn, load it onto his machine, hidden, while he's at lunch or something. Wait a few weeks, then submit an anonymous tip to HR that he's looking at pr0n at work. Problem solved. 

    If it is dlikhten, you could just change the owner on a Windows file, and watch him have to restart into Linux. 



  • @belgariontheking said:

    Well all trolls are people.  Get rid of people and you take care of the trolls.

    You might say "get rid of the internet."  That would accomplish nothing, as people can troll in real life.  Seriously, I work with a guy who has no respect for anyone.  Just walks around and tries to start shit and watch the carnage ensue.

    This is why I never use the word 'troll'.  People have gotten confused about what it means.

    A troll, in the original meaning, means someone who pretends to believe things he doesn't in order to stir up responses.  It's not an asshole or idiot.  It's a clever bad-faith manipulator.  And no, nobody trolls in real life.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    I don't know. I like the approach of taking a screen shot on his machine of a really nasty site. Than set the screenshot as the wallpaper (complete with some desktop icons in the background). When they come back... Hilarity ensues.

    Plus if you're caught, you're fired. A safer prank is to screenshot his regular desktop, then make that the wallpaper, then hide all the icons.

    Or associate a program with the .exe extension. Preferably one that is itself extensioned .com and does something like plays a (text-to-speech generated) voice message.



  • @seaturnip said:

    @belgariontheking said:
    Well all trolls are people.  Get rid of people and you take care of the trolls.

    You might say "get rid of the internet."  That would accomplish nothing, as people can troll in real life.  Seriously, I work with a guy who has no respect for anyone.  Just walks around and tries to start shit and watch the carnage ensue.

    This is why I never use the word 'troll'.  People have gotten confused about what it means.

    A troll, in the original meaning, means someone who pretends to believe things he doesn't in order to stir up responses.  It's not an asshole or idiot.  It's a clever bad-faith manipulator.  And no, nobody trolls in real life.

    Isn't "Troll" in it's original meaning a verb, not a noun?  It's supposed to be a reference to fishing trollers, casting your net (post) to catch fish (responses) over a large distnace.  "Troll" the noun came from that, and unfortunately has gotten mixed up with the fantasy type of troll.



  • @seaturnip said:

    This is why I never use the word 'troll'.  People have gotten confused about what it means.

    A troll, in the original meaning, means someone who pretends to believe things he doesn't in order to stir up responses.  It's not an asshole or idiot.  It's a clever bad-faith manipulator.  And no, nobody trolls in real life.

    Sounds like a synonym for devil's advocate.  Yes, those exist in real life.  As I said, one works with me. 



  • @seaturnip said:

    @belgariontheking said:
    Well all trolls are people.  Get rid of people and you take care of the trolls.

    You might say "get rid of the internet."  That would accomplish nothing, as people can troll in real life.  Seriously, I work with a guy who has no respect for anyone.  Just walks around and tries to start shit and watch the carnage ensue.

    This is why I never use the word 'troll'.  People have gotten confused about what it means.

    A troll, in the original meaning, means someone who pretends to believe things he doesn't in order to stir up responses.  It's not an asshole or idiot.  It's a clever bad-faith manipulator.  And no, nobody trolls in real life.

    It's worth noting that this abuse of the term really says nothing more than "don't rock the boat" (or "stay the course") - it's an objection to any input that disrupts the way things are currently happening. That usually tells you something about the person who said it.



  • This was surely a simpler, purer age.


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    @coldandtired Yeah, so let's dig up its corpse and desecrate it!



  • @blek I wanted to see why fbmac likes it so much but I hardly got aroused at all :(



  • @coldandtired this one wasn't in the good point for consumption yet, you should have waited one more year


  • area_can

    I feel like our trolls have gotten much better since then



  • @fbmac said in Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ?:

    @coldandtired this one wasn't in the good point for consumption yet, you should have waited one more year

    Almost hit a decade there. Shame.



  • Guest said in Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ?:

    Its clearly evident that vista is the future.
    One only has to watch TV for a short period of time and see the advertising.
    WOW !!

    I remember the Vista ads.

    They showed the 3D window thing, and said "wow!!". That's all.

    No "this new Windows is better because X", no, all they showed was the 3D window switch, which Linux could already do better by the way, then "wow".

    Windows Vista Wow Ad – 01:03
    — Ron Heft

    It's almost insulting. "Look, we used a technology invented decades ago! That's as amazing as going to the moon! Right?"



  • @cartman82 I count in base 9.



  • @coldandtired so does Microsoft with Windows versions


  • :belt_onion:

    @coldandtired said in Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ?:

    @blek I wanted to see why fbmac likes it so much but I hardly got aroused at all :(

    Then stop doing it.

    I downvoted your "original post" for necroing!


    Filed under: Taking a stand



  • @bb36e said in Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ?:

    I feel like our trolls have gotten much better since then

    To be fair, this is some primo stuff:

    Then again, I might still be experiencing the glow of nostalgia that can only happen after consuming two bottles of 45 year old wine with good friends.

    Edit: is this archaeological evidence for early forms of Linux hardware?

    You see, the Unix was designed to run within the VHF to UHF spectra (much like a radio), which is all well and good until you consider that modern computers run in the microwave range, at which regular radio reception starts to have serious issues. If one were to use a UHF receiver to tune in to a quad-phased broadcast in the Microwave spectra, one would fail miserably.

    I would wager a bet that Ed Bott's computing apparatus was a more contemporary design utilizing a 3GHz central processor unit (or CPU). Under such frequencies, the linux would literally tear itself apart, its code lacking the internal cohesion to sustain this extreme environment. The Microsoft by comparison, is streamlined and engineered to withstand this Microwave environment, thanks no doubt to the forethought of its designers.

    And of this there is ample evidence, which one can easily do an msn-search for and witness first hand. All of this evidence is on the public record, and cannot be denied.


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