Why is Everybody so clueless on the importance of Desktop Search to the Masses?



  • Post 700!

     

    W000T!!!



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    It's pretty easy to take existing code that works and is as simple as this is and port it
    to another language and OS.
     

    No it is not. Do you really believe that your code, as it is, can be easily ported to some other programming language ? How ? 

     

    p.s. Convert it in Whitespace and I will be a devoted swampie for the next 2 years.

    p.p.s. http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/tutorial.php 




  • Dear Mr. Swamp.

    I would like to show you exactly how indexing is better than merging into a single text file and searching.

    A good, simple, naive, and fast search index would be a hash table with words as keys and lists of references to the original source of the word as values.  A hash table means that looking up a word always takes the same amount of time, no matter how big the index is.

    Indexing a file in this scheme would simply involve:

    1. Reading each line in the input file
    2. Storing a reference to the file and line for each word in the line

    Searching would simply involve looking up the list of references for that word.  You can do other fancy things, like finding how close the instances of multiple words are and weighting the results on that analysis.

    Now, let's talk about speed.  I'm not even going to bring big-O notation into this.

    Let's say that, hypothetically, indexing a huge file takes 10 seconds with my hash-table-based index, and then it takes 0.0001 seconds to search the index.

    SSDS takes only 2 second to search that same file.  Would you say SSDS is better right now?  2 seconds is definitely faster than 10.0001 seconds to search a single file!

    But what happens when we want to search more than once?  Let's say we want to search the same gigantic file 100 times.

    Now, my indexed search has spent 10 seconds indexing and only 0.01 seconds searching, for a grand total of 10.01 seconds.  SSDS would spend 2000, that's TWO THOUSAND seconds searching the same giant file 100 times.

    Do you get it now? 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    SDS could be changed to do the same. But this method
    is much faster. No directory overhead for the 2 and subsequent searches. This would have to be faster.
     

    Directory overhead is extraordinarly low, you know. I checked my C: drive, and it's got 28,116 directories. Even assuming that WDS/GDS scan the entire drive completely, it's still less than 1 millisecond to parse a directory and get all the files/sub-directories in it. I'll be generous and say it's exactly 1ms. With my almost 30,000 directories, that's 30 seconds to scan JUST the directory/file structure of my drive.

    Now let's look at scanning file conents. You stated previously that SSDS does 20,000,000 characters per second your computer. We'll not consider differences in CPU and Harddrive speeds, and take that as a global standard - all computers will run SSDS at the same speed. My C: drive has (as I write this) 50,001,691,561 bytes used. We'll round slightly and say it's 50 gigabytes.

    So, assuming SSDS has been modified to scan directory trees and all files. Then we've got 50gigabytes / 20megabytes/s = 2,500 seconds to scan the total content of my drive, plus 30 seconds to handle the directory/filename parsing.

    2,530 seconds to scan my computer with SSDS, for a single search

    Since SSDS doesn't do an index of any sort beyond what you provide, that 2,530 seconds will be repeated each time I do a search, because the whole drive will have to be scanned again and again for each search.

    Now let's look at Windows/Google Desktop Search. They have the overhead of building the index first. Let's say it takes twice as long for them to build the index as it does for SSDS to do a search, as they're going to parse all my files to build the index. So 5,060 seconds for indexing. After the index is complete, a full search will take perhaps 5 seconds.

    So now that we have some numbers, let's look at time comparisons between SSDS and W/GDS:

     

    Search # SSDS W/DGS
    1st 1 x 2,530 = 2,530 seconds 5,060 + 1x5 = 5,065 seconds
    2nd 2 x 2,530 = 5,060 seconds 5,060 + 2x5 = 5,075 seconds
    3rd 3 x 2,530 = 7,590 seconds 5,060 + 3x5 = 5,090 seconds
    4th 4 x 2,530 = 10,120 seconds 5,060 + 4x5 = 5,105 seconds
    5th 5 x 2,530 = 12,650 seconds 5,060 + 5x5 = 5,120 seconds
    ...
    20th 20 x 2,530 = 50,600 seconds (14 hours) 5,060 + 20x5 = 5,160 seconds (1 hour 26 minutes)
    ...
    34th 34 x 2,530 = 86,020 seconds (23 hours 54 minutes) 5,060 + 20x5 = 5,230 seconds (1 hour 27 minutes)
    35th 35 x 2,530 = 88,550 seconds (1 day 36 minutes) 5,060 + 20x5 = 5,230 seconds (1 hour 27 minutes)

    Do you see the problem here? By the time you do your 20th search of the day, SSDS has consumed a total of 14 hours of REAL TIME doing its searches. The other search engines have used only 1 hour 26 minutes. By the time you do your 34th search, you've wasted the entire day for the search to complete. W/DGS will have done those 30 searches in 2.5 minutes, and STILL have time left to do 16,268 MORE searches.

    The only way that SSDS would ever win is you only ever did 3 searches in your life. After that, it's an utter and complete waste of time. 

    Of course, SSDS and W/GDS don't search your entire drive, or index all the files, but still... It's a valid comparison. SSDS may be useful to you with your microscopic amount of data. But SSDS does NOT scale nicely with the amount of data. It scales HORRIBLY. For the rest of the world, keeping all those Word/Powerpoint/Excel/Whatever files, SSDS is a death sentence for productivity. You'll waste your entire life waiting for it to try and find what you need. 

    And no, changing the way we store files to match your demands is not an option. 

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    You'll really like this app. Freedom from computer geekerie

    No, it instead enslaves us to the computer, twiddling our thumbs waiting for not much of anything to happen every 2,530 seconds.



  • Porridge.



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    @Tachyon said:

    The
    idea of Open Source is that anyone can modify the code, not fix
    something that code that is 8-9 years out of date. You have to fix the
    code first I believe. Not many people are willing to download and then
    fix this (fix is relative in this case).

    The app looks like
    some kind of UI and command line combination gone wrong. How many other
    apps use inputs as message boxes, at least as much as this code does? I
    cant thing of any. There only seems to be one form in the code and no
    other ui, apart from all those message boxes (or whatever VB calls
    them). The code is vb 5, which no-one uses these days, so I doubt this
    is going to be ""fixed"". This is also a great example of the "mystery
    meat" pattern, your never quite sure what will happen with those
    commands.

     

    Oh come on! It should be easy to port this to Java or C++, and port it to each platform!

    The GOTOs will make it fun!

    Fun... like farting in a spacesuit.


    Or be really 1337 and port it to cobol.net as someone suggested.

    Fun... like farting in a spacesuit... with no oxygen

    				                    <p>&nbsp;</p>


  • You NEED this Desktop Search

    01-23-2008 7:17 AM
    wooter

    You do realise that in Windows Media Player, this amounts to clicking on the "random" button and clicking "play", right?
      - No I didn't realize they could do random. Can they start at a random point in the random video. Can they freeze on the
        last frame. How about slow motion? Can they assist you in moving and copying those video, music and pictures to another
        folder? Probably not.

    01-23-2008 7:22 AM
    belgariontheking

    And it begins snowballing.  Most are posting quicker than I can read them. - What about me. I'm trying to dream up smart answers
    to all this babble.

    01-23-2008 7:29 AM
    death
    utterly void of any practical uses other than educating the maker - Everybody needs a good portable, open source desktop search.
    The rest do not measure up to the features this one has. Forget the fluff called an interface.

    01-23-2008 7:38 AM
     death
    Whats your excuse for being an all out p???? - Great I'm not the only one pissing off people.
    No doubt correcting peoples spelling would get you in big trouble in a bar. And lose you some friends.
    Some people are not as smart as they think.

    01-23-2008 7:56 AM
    Renan_S2

    while I learn to use your grep pseudo-implementation - Anything you want explained. You got it. I might have to check the source
    just to be sure

    01-23-2008 8:01 AM
    belgariontheking
    I think he's copy-pasting emails into a text document - You bet I cut and paste emails. If you check the code, I make a stab at extracting emails.
    There is too much data to strip out. So I moved on. Cutting and pasting 8 or 10 emails every week. Not a big deal at all. But I have them since 1996. Where is your email?
    I'm sure there are a number of handy email export utilities?

    01-23-2008 8:03 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware
    SpectateSwamp is advocating just saving the emails. Not the attachments - I only save incomming emails that are significant, I keep all my outmail. If there is an attachment that I'm interested in
    and there haven't been many. Then I'd keep them with my jpgs or mpg. But in formats that I can't view or use. (DELETE)

    01-23-2008 8:56 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware
    explain him using a 'search' to expose the POs? - I think I created a quickie search. For po lines of a given status and containing a search string they enter. But that was over 10 years ago. I could
    check my notes. But I won't.


    01-23-2008 9:00 AM
    taylonr
    solves-all-problems software takes 4 hours to learn. - Not a real big investment in time. If it will do all the things I have told you about. No other computer knowledge needed PERIOD.
    By needed I mean. You can get by without. Once you really use Search. You'll want it bad.

    01-23-2008 9:05 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware
    it requires you to meet this moron in person. - Most morons are kind and shy. Most smart asses are just that.

    01-23-2008 9:13 AM
    aythun
    Storing emails as plain text does not lose any information - Right. I got all the info I want. I use the (forward) option so I can cut and paste the email address along with the subject and message info
    It would be nice to have a dump program. Doing it manually takes me 7 or 8 seconds per email. I don't have that many that I want to keep. Way more are deleted than kept. Some people send me mostly jokes so
    they get deleted.

    Don't take any of the nastiness to heart. They took the wrong side of an argument and are trying to defend it. Puts them in a bad mood. Losing sleep etc.

    01-23-2008 10:06 AM
    emurphy
    (It was one of his retarded misuses of "security".)  - Security is nuts in business. And a non issue for the common man. As I have explained don't put damaging info on your computer and keep a good backup.


    01-23-2008 10:15 AM
    MarcB

    do realize that Thunderbird stores all your emails in PLAIN TEXT files - Yahoo. I'm going to get me a ThunderBird. A program after my own heart. THANKS MarcB

    01-23-2008 10:24 AM
    PJH
    one huge useless text file - I'd much rather see 1 inmail file and 1 outmail file than the thousands and thousands of emails I have by now. How messy. How can you see and find the emails for the emails.

     



  • @MarcB said:

    Search # SSDS W/DGS
    1st 1 x 2,530 = 2,530 seconds 5,060 + 1x5 = 5,065 seconds
    2nd 2 x 2,530 = 5,060 seconds 5,060 + 2x5 = 5,075 seconds
    3rd 3 x 2,530 = 7,590 seconds 5,060 + 3x5 = 5,090 seconds
    4th 4 x 2,530 = 10,120 seconds 5,060 + 4x5 = 5,105 seconds
    5th 5 x 2,530 = 12,650 seconds 5,060 + 5x5 = 5,120 seconds
    ...
    20th 20 x 2,530 = 50,600 seconds (14 hours) 5,060 + 20x5 = 5,160 seconds (1 hour 26 minutes)
    ...
    34th 34 x 2,530 = 86,020 seconds (23 hours 54 minutes) 5,060 + 20x5 = 5,230 seconds (1 hour 27 minutes)
    35th 35 x 2,530 = 88,550 seconds (1 day 36 minutes) 5,060 + 20x5 = 5,230 seconds (1 hour 27 minutes)

     Alright Swampy, I for one want you to address this. You've just been slapped in the face by some maths, and quite frankly I'll be shocked if you can come up with any persuasive argument against these numbers.



  • @rc_pinchey said:

    Alright Swampy, I for one want you to address this. You've just been slapped in the face by some maths, and quite frankly I'll be shocked if you can come up with any persuasive argument against these numbers.
     

     

    Won't work.  He thinks slower than his program searches, so for him it isn't a problem.

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    No I didn't realize they could do random. Can they start at a random point in the random video. Can they freeze on the
        last frame. How about slow motion? Can they assist you in moving and copying those video, music and pictures to another
        folder? Probably not.
     

    Of course you didn't realize that. You are obviosuly blind to the rest of the world around you.

    Yes, you can start and skip and stop anywhere in a video or music file.

    Can Windows Media Player assist you in moving the files? No, that would not be it's purpose. But then again, neither would SSDS. 

     @SpectateSwamp said:

    Not the attachments - I only save incomming emails that are significant, I keep all my outmail. If there is an attachment that I'm interested in
    and there haven't been many. Then I'd keep them with my jpgs or mpg. But in formats that I can't view or use. (DELETE)

    Has it occurred to you that the rest of us save ALL of our emails, and attachments, and they are quickly accessible using our built in searches? You don't have to like it, or even use it, but we are all happy with it. Your app would only make this a nightmare.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Most morons are kind and shy. Most smart asses are just that.

    So you are agreeing that you are a moron... Ok then. Admitting you have a problem is a step closer to a solution.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    - I'd much rather see 1 inmail file and 1 outmail file than the thousands and thousands of emails I have by now. How messy. How can you see and find the emails for the emails.

    Ok, so you have 2 files.... I have one, with all my incoming and outgoing email in a searchable application, with all attachments. How are your 2 plain text files better?



  • I claim movie rights to a full length motion picture based on this thread,



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    If it will do all the things I have told you about. No other computer knowledge needed PERIOD.
     

    Oh really? Let us think for a moment. You're saying all that should be done with a computer is video, pics and so on. For somebody totally computer illiterate this is hard, advanced stuff and there's a lot for them to learn (in their opinion) if they want to import some video from their camcorder, like:

    • What cable did I need to use again?
    • Where did I have to plug it in?
    • What's the tool I had to run in order to do the recording on my PC?
    • What the hell is an MPEG file?

    You know, most people have camcorders using video tapes, so that's what they need to know if they want self-made video on their PC. So most people don't do that at all, they just keep their tapes and plug the camera right into their TV to show their video - PERIOD. My father-in-law for example: He's been around the world doing TONS of video and only after I instructed him for 2 hours and showed him what he could do he even CONSIDERED recording to his PC!

    So how's your "great tool" going to be any help for people like that? Does it assist them in ANY way? No! See, people need at least the same computer knowledge as they would need if they completely ignored your tool - PERIOD. And with your tool, they'd even need to know more:

    • What's a text file?
    • Oh yeah, I need to edit this with Notepad, right? Why can't I do it in Word? I'm doing Word all the time!
    • How do I enter keywords there? And what the hell is a keyword? Oh! It's needed for indexing? What's an index???
    • How do I manually enter the full path to my - what the hell is an MPEG file???
    • What was the fucking command I needed to type at prompt #129 to find my - huh? MPEG File????
    • etc., etc., etc.

    Your program, Swamp, is totally useless to the masses, as it requires them to LEARN things. The masses don't want to LEARN things, they just want three simple steps:

    1. turn on PC
    2. use PC
    3. turn off PC 

    They can do that when using Google Desktop or Windows Search or whatever. They can NOT do this with SSDS.

    Why not just accept the fact that us "techies" know far better than you about software the masses would consider using? Why don't you take your notebook, go out to some mall and try to convince people that your tool is great?  What would happen: They'd say "Oh, sure, great...". You'd think: "Ha! I was right - those techies were wrong!", but you'd fail to see (and probably have in the past) that "Oh, sure, great..." means "Fuck off. I'm not even interested in your shit, leave me alone - I'm just being polite...".

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Once you really use Search. You'll want it bad.

    I think this sentence should have read: "I've only used Search once, and I'd really wish it wasn't that bad"... 

     



  • Double / Triple Whammy - 2 or 3 random videos at ONCE.

     

    01-23-2008 10:28 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware

    that huge useless text file - Only if your all your info is useless. Attachments are handled manually. Maybe I want them. Mostly I don't even want the email it comes attached to.
    you make too much of your attachments to be part of the Masses.(sorry) This app is not for you. You'll never get IT.

    01-23-2008 10:35 AM
    PJH
    playing the resultant mess as a random movie - Worse I could play 2 or 3 sets of the random movie (at the same time!!!!) Double - Tripple Whammy.
    That will be todays video. More showing off. I know it won't be a problem to upload with my nice NEW modem.


    01-23-2008 12:02 PM
    boomzilla

    Not that any of this justifies anything that SS did. - There was some resentment towards Purchasing and their out of control. Controlled Purchase order system. There was far less, after the quick fix. What purchasing didn't know didn't hurt them. Maybe even helped a bit.
    You did explain the situation. Hitting the nail on the head. Top marks.

    01-23-2008 12:25 PM
    MasterPlanSoftware
    notify purchasing dept of the discrepency - And they did. With the po number and the agent who was in charge of the PO. Information they didn't have before. Everybody was much happier. Receiving loved the app and I got on well with them. Moron or not?

    01-23-2008 1:08 PM
    boomzilla

    and this may be the only useful thing SS has ever done - The most useful thing I did there was listen to a stores clerk. He knew of slow moving inventory. By the amount of dust collected. A pulp and paper mill can be a dusty place. The system had no means of finding these items.
    He pointed out 1 or 2 that had high dollar value. My solution was to create a new field on each inventory item. 10 years by 12 months by 2 elements Issues and Returns. I went through the available transaction files to load these elements and has operations put up the older info needed to finish the task
    I ran a simple program to find slow turn items with high total Dollars. D Harkle's (stores guy) items came in 4 or 5 on my list of many. That info was also added to a hard copy printout I created for each stores item. Previous they would look at 6 or 8 screens to get the same info. With no printout.

    I was there a number of years and I listened a lot. I could go on and on about this job. Really smart people don't have to talk to the peons. Thankfully I'n not that Smart.
    I think my greatest there was keeping the last 10 po#'s, inventory#'s, workorder#, vendor#, ... by userid. When the user switched between sessions. They could call up the # from the previous screens by entering a '.' for the po, inventory, workorder. They loved that a lot.
    The data was stored in PLAIN text files that were opened and read and updated at the various points in the system ie s_swamp_invent.txt s_swamp_po.txt.

    01-23-2008 1:16 PM
    MasterPlanSoftware

    I elect you to be newest SSDS developer - You bet I'd like somebody that has business experience like BOOmzilla. (I know you hate capitals) sorry.
    01-23-2008 2:14 PM
     boomzilla
     I can definitely see the benefit. - And there was. I did a number of small tasks for receiving after that one. They knew I could help.

    01-23-2008 2:23 PM
    MasterPlanSoftware
    no good would come from something like giving receiving more access. - Good grief man. The delivery drive and the suppliers secretary had more info than the receiving department. That is the end result of SECURITY.


    01-23-2008 11:36 PM
    death

    this Desktop Search is solving a long solved solved problem in a WTF way. - Thanks. More or less reviving a solution I used in the Mid 80's. The Vax / Digital Equipment "search" not "grep"

    01-24-2008 1:49 AM
    derula
    Ever thought about starting a career as a comedian - Life is funny. Laughing is good. Don't anybody take my meanness to heart.

    01-24-2008 3:54 AM
    DigitalXeron


    not for those who want to get anything done - Have you ever audited your system. This search can do it. If you can do a text dump. And don't tell me that's impossible. I've done nearly 50 telco/cable system conversions. They all came as PLAIN text files. Every one of them. From all kinds of different OS types.

    benchmarks of different sized text files - How many times do I have to tell you a lifetimes reading is less than 5 gig. Why archive and search text you have never read. Any talk of speed and computers is completely misleading. Get this straight. Computers are fast.

    quality that the clientel wants. Not what the developer wants. - In this case I was the clientel. I know more about search than just about anybody.

    you're pushing it worse than most salesmen - You keep comming back. Don't you. Obviously not wanting to be left behind. The ClueLessNess is lifting.


    01-24-2008 4:41 AM
    tdittmar

    you had registered with SourceForge - Project declined. What the H. Is one of you behind this SourceForge refusal. Fess up.

    01-24-2008 4:45 AM
    DrPhil
     (SS) is going to ignore everything you said anyway - Seems the other side is resistant to Desktop Search. Few here are listening.

    01-24-2008 7:26 AM 
    tdittmar

    your way of searching is actually EASIER and QUICKER - I can see my last page of notes and be closed out in under 3 seconds. For the masses easier is about a lot more that just entering a search term. Learning a few basic commands will allow them to do mpg video like nobody on the planet. With very little computer knowledge.

    Camcorders are for VIDEO. You know there is a difference, right - What about those cameras that shoot multiple stills all at once. This app can play those pics back as fast as they were taken. That's like old time movies. Not much difference. But better.
     
    many things you can do with a photo camera which you can not do with a video camera - And audio isn't one of them. You have no use for audio or action? Strange.

    "video in my screen" thing? - I'm having so much trouble explaining things to this group. Even poor video demonstrations is an improvement. It's a quick and low tech approach. And angers many.

    01-24-2008 8:01 AM
    emurphy

     it'll only index that first 75K - 75M or somewhat larger. I did run some tests. Good point though. I will do a video showing the text file size limits for the others. They don't tell people of these limits. Data just doesn't show up in the results. How much other data is lost with these indexers. SSDS to the rescue. Find out what gets missed.

    01-24-2008 8:09 AM
    emurphy
    he's been blinded to is "security against data theft".  - For me people taking my info without my permission is another form of Sharing. Take my pictures, Take my video. I'll share.


    01-24-2008 8:18 AM
    rc_pinchey

    mad person who we're all shouting at... and that makes me feel a little mean. - Don't be worry. I have a thick skin. They hate me worse on the video forums.

    I'm done up to the end of page 13. Now to do that Double/Triple video displays at a time demonstration.

     

     



  • @tster said:

    I claim movie rights to a full length motion picture based on this thread,

     

    Could you send me an advance copy before you release it?  If it's going to represent this thread, it needs to move me to tears like the square-wheeled bike did several pages ago.

    Also, everyone who's been ignoring the videos that SpectateSwamp puts up needs to go watch them.  The first video nearly killed me.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    benchmarks of different sized text files - How many times do I have to tell you a lifetimes reading is less than 5 gig. Why archive and search text you have never read. Any talk of speed and computers is completely misleading. Get this straight. Computers are fast.
     

    5G isn't an awful lot when the items you want to search include images, mp3s, various documents, source code, reference material etc. If these items aren't in one single file then your application is useless to many people. When people have large amounts of data speed is important, again you may not care but other people do, this is an application that suits you and your way of doing things and nobody else.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    "video in my screen" thing? - I'm having so much trouble explaining things to this group. Even poor video demonstrations is an improvement. It's a quick and low tech approach. And angers many.

    Poor and out of focus video demonstrations are a total waste of time and bandwidth, you constantly harp on about how good your app is and how brilliant your way of doing video is and yet we see nothing other than badly framed and out of focus videos of your app failingto do anything people are asking you to demonstrate. I really admire your way of combining two failures into one - really saves us the effort of having to be bugged by you twice.

    If your application was intuitive (like all the other desktop search applications people are mentioning) the users wouldn't even need to watch the videos to figure out how the application works! Have you considered that you failure to explain things to this group (and the other programming group, or the video groups or why dead animals should be on a wildlife group etc.) that the failing might just be with you, your attitude and your total failure to grasp what a desktop search is (clue - not a single file search, not a video randomiser) or what makes an interesting video (good editing, good shot composition, keeping things in focus etc.)

     



  • @stolen_username said:

    Also, everyone who's been ignoring the videos that SpectateSwamp puts up needs to go watch them.  The first video nearly killed me.
    Are you trying to cause a genocide here or something?



  •  Would anyone be interested in the suppliment that came with today's paper?

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  • @ender said:

    @stolen_username said:
    Also, everyone who's been ignoring the videos that SpectateSwamp puts up needs to go watch them.  The first video nearly killed me.
    Are you trying to cause a genocide here or something?
     

    That video is pure genius, auto focus keeps losing it and even when it isn't changing focus you still can't read a single thing on the screen.



  • Hi Mister Swamp,

    I just started on my own implementation of your great piece of software in the latest VB.NET version. Now I'm new in VB I so please be gentle on my coding style. I couldn't get it to sourcefourge so is used an alternate method of opening/securing teh codez.

    Here it is

    Steps to make it work are really simple just start a new project and paste teh codez add a new search input file as a resource file to the project add a new item called "TRWTF" paste your index in the Value column. I started with the following index.




  • @Tommie said:

    I just started on my own implementation of your great piece of software in the latest VB.NET version. Now I'm new in VB I so please be gentle on my coding style. I couldn't get it to sourcefourge so is used an alternate method of opening/securing teh codez.

    Here it is

    Wow, your implementation is great! It is so much less code, and I was actually able to understand the complete code from the beginning, although I've never worked with VB.NET.

    However, I got a feature request. Please work with object oriented more. Object oriented is the future. See my signature. It is soo much easier and faster. You could e.g. make each search result an object, and then you don't need to search any more, instead you ask the results whether they apply to the search!! It is like communicating with your video.



  • Slow down with the Questions

    01-24-2008 8:20 AM
    spenk


    search and find the original documents in their original location - It does for pics, music, video and my non merged text files. Ie my notes are a work in progress.
    It shouldn't be hard to add the feature to what ever format you like. If it has an excel extension then open excel and pass it the file path. The code has examples of this for other file formats. ie text and notepad...


    what job has a skill requirement of 'must be able to play random video files' - they all should. Having your computer randomly display some of your work info as a screen saver. Refreshes some old and new ideas.

    Every other search tool uses the index - Every other search evolved from Net Search. where they needed indexing. On a personal or company level, indexing is over-kill and unreliable.
    Desktop Search and Net Search are from opposite ends of the search spectrum.

    01-24-2008 8:28 AM
    tdittmar
    what's that SourceForge-address now? - That SourceForge.net site is CRAP. They don't know the power of Desktop Search and Video.

    01-24-2008 8:39 AM
    Renan_S2

    I don't do that much video - I've done lots. If your shell scripting could do what this search can for video. I'd give it a spin. put it on SourceForge.net. I'll check it out.

    01-24-2008 8:43 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware
    a video of  notepad doing the same thing his 'search' does. Only better. - I'll have to check that video. NotePad beatins SSDS for text. Impossible.
    You do get a well deserved attaboy for doing video (of any kind). You are back on my favorites list MPS

    If someone could throw together a similar video in Windows Media player of the shuffle function, - It would just get trumped by my Double shuffle video from today.

    quickly finding out I have no 'safe for work' (or really anywhere) videos on my laptop - I know what you mean. A number of people have confronted me about doing video at open forums. I left never to come back when the Mayor asked me not to film open town council meetings.
    cities and towns and law enforcement use video. I claim the same priviledges. I don't often take NO for an answer.

    01-24-2008 9:09 AM
    tdittmar
    Where are answers to our questions? - Easy easy. ClueLessNess isn't something that can be cured in a day. For the really really clueless, a trip to Spectate Swamp Shack may be required.

    01-24-2008 9:25 AM
    rc_pinchey

    sometimes the application does things in an unexpected, unpredictable way - You know things are going well, when your own program surprises you. The scrolling text thing was so easy to do and so much fun to watch. This program has lots more potential than even I realize.

    01-24-2008 9:26 AM
    Renan_S2
    Where? Please show me this. - I didn't recall saying those exact words "EULA that states.." they own your data. But they do treat it that way. I know this search doesn't fiddle with your info. It's yours.

    01-24-2008 9:27 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware

    Your app has none of these features - These features are useless to me. The Master of Search Software. The key features you fail to see are simplicity and portability and usability and video fun...

    please learn to use the proper quoting technique - No. This is easier for me. From now on when I want to check what I said. I just look for those long long posts.

    01-24-2008 9:33 AM
    spenk
    get them to compile it and reply with a new .exe isn't really a valid option - For real search Swampies Everything is an option. Come on somebody help our friend here.

    If you can perform a search similar to 'Project1 OR Project2 NOT author:spenk' - It can. Check the "noshow" logic in the source.txt file. You might have pics or video you don't want popping up when your Mum is around. I'll do a video demo of that. Thanks.

    what compelling reason is there for me to switch to SSDS - You don't have to switch. Just use SSDS to Audit audit audit. Dump a text file, do some hit counts. Check em from month to month. That's security. Easy access and backups and audits. Random or no. Setting my DVD video backups to autorun displaying various parts of random videos. Is the most fun way to AUDIT the video integrity.

    I can search.jpg metadata - This app does it for mp3. I should put the code in for jpg as well. I have always felt putting text into picture and video files is pure wrong and silly. Another layer of confusion for the masses. What program inserts this info. Do I have to learn how to operate that?

    I would use a screen capture program - that was a hint by the way) - I'm as bad as the rest of you for using new software. A ruff ruff video of you using it would get me going. Really.

    many seconds into the out of focus movie - an assistant of any kind would have made a great difference. For the screen video. I held the camcorder in one hand. Reached under to enter the odd command. then go from there. My next approach to this problem. May just be the large large font option. Even blurry you can read it.

    how having to remember even one or two commands - The SSDS remembers the defaults for you. Run as many flavors of SSDS as you want. run Search1 through Search99 if you like. Setting the various control functions you want for that search. Ie noshow items change. Have seperate searches for each project you work on. So that the last 20 search items are relevant to that work. It has lots of defaults and holding your finger down on the ENTER key can surprise you at various points in the program.

    01-24-2008 9:47 AM
     belgariontheking

    your piece of shit going to help her be more computer savvy. - She doesn't have to be more computer savvy. This search eliminates the need for computer literacy. Gone. Poof.

    she said she couldn't think of a reason anyone would. - That's a good Mum sticking up for her boy even when he is wrong.

    01-24-2008 10:07 AM
     MurfWTF
     
    I am very much interested in your Desktop Search - Your joined the discussion. I'm sure you are. My next video will be with 2 sessions of the search running. It could just as easily be 10 or more. That way there will be no problems, resulting from 1 hand holding the camera and other entering commands. It's not that easy making bad video. Try it alone.

     01-24-2008 10:46 AM

    MasterPlanSoftware
    maybe we should stop picking on SpectateSwamp - Hey hold it hold it. It's me picking on you. Starting out by calling you ClueLess and all.

     01-24-2008 12:09 PM

    tdittmar
    Does it? I thought it does the "Search" - Extract is a handy feature for any search. Viewing and copying a file to another folder is another form of extract. SSDS does this. I'll demo that too.
    provide a sample of how to sort your monolith text file content with Windows standard software - I extracted email addresses from my outmail.txt file based on a "Subject:???" and used sort to put them in order. I used notepad to check for duplicates and delete them. A small prog would be quicker for that step. I'll video demo that use for sure.

    What if I do need a physical report? - The masses don't need hard copy reports. But you do. If I were you I would use the screen capture software and display them all. Use that video and catalog them or not. They would be easily available with this program and start to use a little of the humunbus Disks that are now available.

    01-24-2008 12:25 PM
    PJH

    What happened to it playing the random video - It does random video just fine. But it appears the cataloging function of "gf" turns random off. Way back when I must have got tired of seeing random. So after each 'gf' you will need to re-enter "rand" to have random display. Either way it's not all that great of a situation.

    01-24-2008 12:37 PM
    Tachyon
    Not many people are willing to download and then fix this - Not many are needed just a few 8 or 10. There isn't much that really needs fixing. Extending it a bit maybe. Demonstrating it and evangelize it a bit better.

    The app looks like some kind of UI and command line combination gone wrong - Again I can't thank you enough for looking at the code. Play with it a bit. activate some of the display elements inside the line wrap and data hi-lite section. See what's going on in the flowcharts I provide. That code should move easily.

    01-24-2008 1:04 PM
    MasterPlanSoftware

    The GOTOs will make it fun! - I knew the GoTos would catch your attention. Look beyond the GoTos and you'll find the clues.

     01-24-2008 1:45 PM
    tdittmar
    Do you (or anybody else) know this site's record as to the number of replies? - Its gotta be MasterPlanSoftware. Just gotta be.

     01-24-2008 2:28 PM 
    wooter
    what happens if the "common man" doesn't have techie offspring? - You don't have to be real techie. Just an interest in search. I'll video demo some of the debugging lines being reactivates. It helps to follow through some of the logic. My programming style is change it and jam it. Change it and jam it. with a few prints along the way.

    01-24-2008 3:27 PM
    elgate
    photoshopped an image for y'all. Looks like a poster you'd see beside an interstate - You're great. When I was out planting my election signs as Ole YellowHead. There were lots of honks.

    01-24-2008 4:26 PM
    DrPhil
    Lets see SS do that with his Camcorder and SSDS - DrPhil thanks for asking. I just came across an old auto-run backup of election questions. I'll upgrade it to have scrolling text and demo it to you. Maybe even upload the associated control file and text file.

    01-24-2008 5:02 PM
    Joe Luser
    waste of time and bytes that this thread represents - The ClueLess can't resist. Desktop Search. It won't be long until you see what a wonderful world search and video open up.

    01-24-2008 7:36 PM
    elgate
    BTW yes, it is a scan - but I didn't scan it, Swampie did - You deserve the credit for layout and humor. Now look at that code dammit.

    01-24-2008 11:20 PM
    wooter

    Show how my dad in one click and typing one word is being able to search any document on his computer - Even better. With no search running. and the shortcut icon hi-lited just hold your finger down on the enter command and watch it go. If the preset defaults are for video. You'll witness speed. The computer usage will soar.

    01-24-2008 11:40 PM
    PJH
    I quite like "The Grinch who used GoTos" one - Me too. No better way to learn than with some humor mixed in.

    01-25-2008 12:53 AM
    tdittmar

    Having a boring desktop background. Booooo - It's a good start. SSDS started with pics then random pics then random pics with context on top. THEN Video. Give them time they'll get there.

    01-25-2008 6:56 AM
    tdittmar
    I don't need to move my little finger for the index to get updates - Indexers can't run for DVD's SSDS can show you your backup videos any way you like them.

    it's stupid to have information that can result in legal penalties - But everything is a legal no-no of some form or another. Digital video and the Net will help to expose the legal tangles and those responsible for implementing it. Lawyers judges police and politicians. They will be under the video microscope from now on. The tables have turned with video.

    because you would have forgotten all those cryptic commands you need - You are right. I should create an auto run DVD that has "play this if you can't remember what to do" Good point.

    Yes, I'm doing MPEG video myself - Come on give it a try. After a quick catalog with the "gf" option. Then at prompt #2 tt8 (8 second play length) rand (random mpg selection) randa (random start point) thumb (so that it only plays 8 seconds and not the remainder of the vid) WW to start the show. Prompt #3 photo (default) every catalog line has this string. There is more you can do, but this is enough for now.

    01-25-2008 7:03 AM
    td888

    So I downloaded his desktop-thingie and tried it..... - Good going. I'll have to show you all the video possibilities. You'll change your mind. It's not crap. It's control of your data.
    video in a handwritten cook book. GoTo any page. Pause the video whatever. I'll show you how.

     01-25-2008 7:09 AM 
    belgariontheking

    Probably, but I'm still "back in the dark ages" doing powerpoint. - For me powerpoint would be more difficult to learn. This search can get complex if you try the logic flow navigation. I'll demo that last.
    If you like powerpoint then you should have a ball with this option.

    01-25-2008 7:22 AM
    spenk
    Prove a merge is faster, show me some figures - Common sense is proof enough. One of you swampies step forward and help spenk. I'm busy doing Clueing.
     
    in under 10 minutes without driving cpu usage above 1% - Nope the computer cpu is pinned. I do allow for other processes Using "DoEvents" throughout. Try running a couple of these directories at the same time. The kitchen lights would probably dim.

    have you done any performance bench marking - Again some swampie run a random video, random music, random pics at the same time. If you have any problems with this. I'll demo how. Give it to them. They want to see performance. SSDS delivers. It will drain your computer dry if you want it to.

    What learning treadmill is involved - The half day course will show you how to make computers useful in your life. With the minimum computer knowledge. My people will know less than your people. Guaranteed.

    01-25-2008 8:02 AM
    Nelle
    Can you do stickers ... - Everybody wants somebody else to do this. Prove that. Come on Nelle. You do it and show elgate how. that's sharing.

     01-25-2008 9:17 AM 
     elgate

    I'm just grateful SS decided to scan his photos before he figured out he could "video them in". - I should have done both. at the same time. I'll show you some of my oldies in a future video demo. lots and lots.

    Where's the link to the SourceForge project - We'll have to find an alternative. or Somebody else sneak it in. Maybe YOU?

     01-25-2008 9:57 AM 
    Balthazaar

    I've tried to avoid commenting  - All comments are gratefully accepted.
    Many times, the "fancy text and formatting" is just as important as the specific words of text - I call Gee-Haw this is BS for the most part.

    No, your method isn't faster. Really. Do a comparison - Remember faster isn't always better when the difference is less than a second. It's the results that count. Flexibility portability and others are far more important than a fraction of nothing.

    they simply type what they are looking for and PRESTO-BINGO - It's no presto-bingo if it is their jpg metadata. That data has to be input somehow. The key features over-ride the minor interface problems. Interfaces are computer fluff.

    with intuitive controls and displays - A few short videos should make up for what is lacking in this area. I hope.

    afraid that you're some kind of psycho - My swampies have remained silent for the same reason. There is nothing more meaner than a Guru psycho

    I'm glad to say some of you are starting to get clued in. Good going all.



  • Thanks!

    @derula said:

    It is so much less code
     

    That is true but there's a lot more to come. I'm working on the Random stuff now. Pretty complicated because I'm trying to randomize my code first before doing random video extracts.



  •  @Tommie said:

    Pretty complicated because I'm trying to randomize my code first before doing random video extracts.

    I have a great idea. Use Spectate Swamp Searchto randomize your code. Video your code. Then enter "ww" to activate the screen saver mode. Then random segments of the code will show up. Just put the source code in the order SSSearch displays it. It's that easy. You don't have to care about whether SSSearch displays a wrong segment of code. Because you don't use functions. That wouldn't be possible if you used function.

    Tag: OMG. I just entered swampling as tag. Then I wanted to remove it. So I hit Shift+Home. And then it said "Swampling Stickers". Yeah, that's definitely what the world needs: Swampling Stickers. Anyone wanna Photoshop some?

    PS: How do you like my writing style. Do I sound like Swampy already.



  • That would be a great idea. If I index all my other projects I would be able to extract all the great features they have implemented and put it into this great Search. That way I do random online shopping too!

    So if any one has a feature request which you programmed youself just add them to the online repository and I'll be able to add them (randomly) into the Search. 

    @derula said:

    PS: How do you like my writing style. Do I sound like Swampy already
     

    I dunno.. I haven't asked any questions yet did I? 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    spenk


    search and find the original documents in their original location - It does for pics, music, video and my non merged text files. Ie my notes are a work in progress.
    It shouldn't be hard to add the feature to what ever format you like. If it has an excel extension then open excel and pass it the file path. The code has examples of this for other file formats. ie text and notepad...


    what job has a skill requirement of 'must be able to play random video files' - they all should. Having your computer randomly display some of your work info as a screen saver. Refreshes some old and new ideas.

    Every other search tool uses the index - Every other search evolved from Net Search. where they needed indexing. On a personal or company level, indexing is over-kill and unreliable.
    Desktop Search and Net Search are from opposite ends of the search spectrum.

     

    So you mean it doesn't do these other file formats? How does it search text files that haven't been added to your main text file? 

    Indexes are not specific to internet search, they are a well established way of performing quicker searches than brute force searching. How can you say indexing is overkill when it works just fine?

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    spenk
    get them to compile it and reply with a new .exe isn't really a valid option - For real search Swampies Everything is an option. Come on somebody help our friend here.

    Hardly user friendly though is it? Most users expect software to work - they do not expect to learn a programming language and edit code to get even the most basic functionality to work.

     @SpectateSwamp said:

    If you can perform a search similar to 'Project1 OR Project2 NOT author:spenk' - It can. Check the "noshow" logic in the source.txt file. You might have pics or video you don't want popping up when your Mum is around. I'll do a video demo of that. Thanks.

    I really can't be arsed trying to decipher anything in that spaghetti you call source code - Just show me it working, I'll settle for just the steps I would need to perform (I would prefer this to an out of focus video).

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    what compelling reason is there for me to switch to SSDS - You don't have to switch. Just use SSDS to Audit audit audit. Dump a text file, do some hit counts. Check em from month to month. That's security. Easy access and backups and audits. Random or no. Setting my DVD video backups to autorun displaying various parts of random videos. Is the most fun way to AUDIT the video integrity.

    I can search.jpg metadata - This app does it for mp3. I should put the code in for jpg as well. I have always felt putting text into picture and video files is pure wrong and silly. Another layer of confusion for the masses. What program inserts this info. Do I have to learn how to operate that?

    You keep on insisting on this 'dump a text file' nonsense - why should I when no other sodding search program requires this, I can just search files as they are now without any extra effort - this is the whole point everyone keeps stating and you are ignoring it completely. Also out of a general sense of confusion wtf does AUDI the video integrity even mean?

    The metadata in jpegs is generally inserted by things like the camera you used to take the photo (automatic - no user effort), or the editing software, or windows itself (Vista lets you do this direct from explorer - no bit fiddling or complex operations / terminology involved). This is not another layer of confusion - the ability to title and associate keywords with images is very useful and completely straight forward.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    spenk
    Prove a merge is faster, show me some figures - Common sense is proof enough. One of you swampies step forward and help spenk. I'm busy doing Clueing.
     

     No 'Common Sense' is not proof enough, that simply means you believe it is and can't prove it. Other people here have given estimated timings required to perform all these merges and you have failed to refute any of them - prove how quick you can do the merge or stop claiming it is faster. Also I doubt thee are any other 'Swampies' out there as nobody else is stepping up to defend your software.

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    in under 10 minutes without driving cpu usage above 1% - Nope the computer cpu is pinned. I do allow for other processes Using "DoEvents" throughout. Try running a couple of these directories at the same time. The kitchen lights would probably dim.

    have you done any performance bench marking - Again some swampie run a random video, random music, random pics at the same time. If you have any problems with this. I'll demo how. Give it to them. They want to see performance. SSDS delivers. It will drain your computer dry if you want it to.

    I did this and those were the figures I monitored, it did not pin the cpu or drive high usage, the indexing is a background task that required no intervention on my part and quietly did it's work. As to running a couple of these directories at the same time - that makes no sense as the indexer is indexing multiple directories over multiple disks during this task.

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    What learning treadmill is involved - The half day course will show you how to make computers useful in your life. With the minimum computer knowledge. My people will know less than your people. Guaranteed.

    A half day course to learn how to search - other search programs require oyou to type the terms you are searching for and nothing else - again this is another point you seem capable of understanding.

    Please download,  WDS or Google Desktop or any of the others and try them. Even video them failing to find things, video your utter confusion when you can type a search term without having to remember to use gf or merge or which prompt you should type each at. You are utterly failing to prove your point(s) and poor video clips do not prove it either. Your software would have looked ugly about twenty years ago and been considered barely functional then, these days it is truely appalling and I really think you are in complete denial about the whole thing.

     @SpectateSwamp said:

    Many times, the "fancy text and formatting" is just as important as the specific words of text - I call Gee-Haw this is BS for the most part.

    No, your method isn't faster. Really. Do a comparison - Remember faster isn't always better when the difference is less than a second. It's the results that count. Flexibility portability and others are far more important than a fraction of nothing.

    they simply type what they are looking for and PRESTO-BINGO - It's no presto-bingo if it is their jpg metadata. That data has to be input somehow. The key features over-ride the minor interface problems. Interfaces are computer fluff.

    with intuitive controls and displays - A few short videos should make up for what is lacking in this area. I hope.

    For presentations etc. the formatting is important just choosing to ignore it doesn't make you correct.

    Faster is better when you are searching and want fast results, claiming the difference is less than one second when you refuse to give any benchmarks doesn't mean anything.

    See above for my comments about jpg metadata, being able to search for photos taken on a particular date, or over a range of dates without having to manually record all this stuff myself is a valuable feature - claiming things you do not understand as being just 'fluff' just proves your inability to actually compare things in a valid way.

    Intuitive controls and interfaces are what make computers useful for the masses, when everything required learning arcane commands and command line switches only techies stood a chance, those days are long gone.

    e.g. When my father has taken some photos on his digital camera he plugs the usb cable in and a wizard pops up displaying all the photos and lets him choose which to copy (all are selected by default), prompts for a title and any keywords he thinks might be relevant. Then it updates the metadata and copies them to his pc. The can then hit the start button and type any of those keywords into the textbox immediately above the start button and his photos will be found. He doesn't need to understand terms like metadata or indexes - from his point of view it just works. 

    Prove how your software is easier than that! 



  •  Sorry, I couldn't resist:

     Swampling Sticker



  • Wow! This would be a realy cool splash screen in my open source VB.NET 3.5 port! Can i use it? In other words: Is the image open source too?

     



  • My part of the image is open source... but I believe the Swampling image isn't (stole it from http://www.simon-the-sorcerer.com/), and for the Spectate Swamp logo, you'ld have to ask elgate.

    Sooo... will you include my enterprisey encryption algorythm?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    You know things are going well, when your own program surprises you
     

    No, that's when you know you've done it completely completely completely wrong. Also, please try to learn how to use the forum's "quote" facility, as it would make your gargantuan posts much easier to digest. 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    But they do treat it that way.

     How?

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    I know this search doesn't fiddle with your info. It's yours.
     

     Neither does any other desktop search. Seriously, man: quit the LSD before it's too late!

     @SpectateSwamp said:

    If your shell scripting could do what this search can for video.

    As I already said: I could probably throw something together with mplayer + some shell scripts, but I'm not arsed to.

     



  • @rc_pinchey said:

    No, that's when you know you've done it completely completely completely wrong. Also, please try to learn how to use the forum's "quote" facility, as it would make your gargantuan posts much easier to digest.

    I think he's exporting the whole thread to a text file and then navigating it via SSDS. He doesn't have the possibility to use the "quote" function. And I bet in his exported text file, quotes look exactly the same as the frightening blocks he shows to us. (But, he has SSDS to navigate them. We with our "graphical web browsers" have problems reading it, of course. We should be using SSDS)



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    A number of people have confronted me about doing video at open forums. I left never to come back when the Mayor asked me not to film open town council meetings.
     

    Does anyone else feel that this gives us a valuable insight into the life of Spectate Swamp?

    Some small town, somewhere in Canada, holds a council meeting to discuss car parking charges... in the public gallery, there's nothing but empty seats. Empty seats and a camcorder with a large beard behind it... and the beard's ALWAYS there, for every discussion, every meeting, no matter how mundane- always filming, never moving, occasionally shouting "boondoggle!". No-one knows who he is, but everyone is fealing the Fear- to the point where the Mayor himself is prompted into action. Taking a deep breath, he walks into the gallery one afternoon, and politely asks the beard to leave...

     

    Do you think the body's buried under the shack, or propped up on a chair in the attic wearing a dress? 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Having your computer randomly display some of your work info as a screen saver. Refreshes some old and new ideas.
     

    You realize that some people do have jobs? I don't see the screen saver on my desktop at all.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    That SourceForge.net site is CRAP. They don't know the power of Desktop Search and Video.

    Hold it! I'll take the plane to Canada, find me a nice Canadian log and slap you right in the face with it if you again call the best Open Source project site crap again! And no, being there I will not take any "how to use SSDS" lessons. For every time you suggest that I'll slap you in the face once more. Have you considered the fact that they realized your project is crap from the start? Search SourceForge for "Desktop Search" and you'll see why they denied your project. Other people are providing real software there, you know?

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    ClueLessNess isn't something that can be cured in a day.

    Yes, we've realized that already.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    For the really really clueless, a trip to Spectate Swamp Shack may be required.

    Yeah, they will end up like you. You'll have great Swamp parties. Maybe you'll meet Shrek and Fiona there?

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    I didn't recall saying those exact words "EULA that states.." they own your data. But they do treat it that way. I know this search doesn't fiddle with your info. It's yours.

    No, they don't treat my data in any way. They - whoever "they" are - provide me with a piece of software that helps me manage my data. Where's the difference to your software (except that your's does not work)?

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    I'm as bad as the rest of you for using new software

    Oh, we're not! We knew from the start:

    • Your source code is a pure WTF
    • Your program's features are of no use
    • Your program doesn't work at all
    • We already have better search software

    So why the hell should we use SSDS? 

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    The masses don't need hard copy reports. But you do. If I were you I would use the screen capture software and display them all.

    Bullshit. Printed stuff is needed all the time. What if the amount of data doesn't fit one screen? Do I need multiple screen shots? Oh boy...

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    I knew the GoTos would catch your attention.

    Oh yeah, like you did that on purpose... 

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Do you (or anybody else) know this site's record as to the number of replies? - Its gotta be MasterPlanSoftware. Just gotta be.

    I was referring to the "longest discussion thread". Just to make that clearer...

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Come on give it a try. After a quick catalog with the "gf" option. Then at prompt #2 tt8 (8 second play length) rand (random mpg selection) randa (random start point) thumb (so that it only plays 8 seconds and not the remainder of the vid) WW to start the show. Prompt #3 photo (default) every catalog line has this string. There is more you can do, but this is enough for now.

    Why? I edit the video with VideoDeluxe, create a DVD and that's it. After I'm done I move the project to my backup disk. I don't need my PC to watch video.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Common sense is proof enough.

    You do not have any common sense. Otherwise you would have left the forum in shame a week ago already.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    I do allow for other processes Using "DoEvents" throughout.

    I thought you were using a background thread? Threads don't need DoEvents. You realize that the phases between DoEvents lock up the CPU more than DoEvents helps? Please explain the way you made your search work as a background process.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Everybody wants somebody else to do this.

    Just a quick reminder:

    • You demand others to fix your code
    • You demand others to create a nice user interface
    • You demand others to do real benchmarking for you
    • You demand others to demonstrate stuff for you
    • You demand others to host your silly project, because SourceForge has turned you down
    • ...

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Interfaces are computer fluff.

    Bullshit. I thought your program was for the masses? The masses want nice interfaces (guess why people are buying macs and ipods and stuff)! Deny the need for "computer fluff" and you deny your search is for the masses.




  • To me, this thing of playing 2 or 3 random videos at the same time its for watching pron

    YOU PERVERT!

    betcha u got lots of kiddie porn

    go away
    please!



  • @Tatiano said:

    To me, this thing of playing 2 or 3 random videos at the same time its for watching pron



    YOU PERVERT!



    betcha u got lots of kiddie porn



    go away

    PLEASE!!!



  • Wow that's some smart encryption scheme you got going there. It took me a while to figure it out. I will add it to the program when I get my modem fixed.

    The image will have to wait unfortunately. It must be open source you know in order for me to use it. But I hope you secured it somehow so I can add it later on.




  • Is it just me, or does SpectateSwamp sound like some religious fanatics?



  • To Mister SpectateSwamp:

    Can I use the logo in my open source
    VB.NET search for the masses
    ? And do you perhaps have some time so can you help me a
    little with my port to .NET?

    Because when we do the .NET prot it will
    also run on any Unix machine which has MONO installed.

     



  • I check back every few days to see if this nutter is still gibbering...and he is!

    I feel sort of sorry for him,really 



  • @method1 said:

    I feel sort of sorry for him,really

    You cannot feel sorry for someone with such a great beard, can you?

    @Tommie: Yeah, the code is a little confusing, but because of that its such a great encoding. You have to take care of that. When your program is open source, people can see the source code. They can see how encryption is done. That's why I had to write it so confusing and without comments, that no one can figure out how it works. You can't get more secure. I'll see if I can get a replacement for the Swampling image.



  •  (sort of) on the subject of Search, I have to use Windows at work &
    I found a freeware version of Unix/GNU linux's locate for windows - it seems to
    work quite well & just like the original its almost instant - the
    indexing took a minute or two for a couple of disks & network share. Its definitely open source , but I'm not sure of the licence.

    locate32.net 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    I left never to come back when the Mayor asked me not to film open town council meetings.

     

    What a great loss for the people of Whitecourt, Alberta.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    No I didn't realize they could do random. Can they start at a random point in the random video. Can they freeze on the
        last frame. How about slow motion? Can they assist you in moving and copying those video, music and pictures to another
        folder? Probably not.

    It can freeze every frame, up to the last one.  It can play in slow motion.  I can simply drag and drop to copy or move any track, video or picture in or out of mediaplayer.

    I can make playlists.  I can edit the metadata in the MP3 tags to display artist, album, track title, type of music or video, I can have EXIF data within any picture, or subtitles or another sound track for any video.  And I can use all that into my cellphone, car stereo and MP3 player which can read these metadata and show me the artist, album, track title, type, EXIF data, subtitles or other sound track for any video, music and pictures.  This metadata is also recognised by GDS and WDS, and as such I can also search on any artist name, track name, album name, EXIF data, video name, subtitle name or anything else available in the metadata.

     By typing "exchange 2007" in GDS, I get PDF ebooks on the subject of Exchange 2007, I get TechNet whitepapers on Exchange 2007, I get podcasts on Exchange 2007, I get presentations on Exchange 2007 and I get movie clips on Exchange 2007.

    My dad, the common man, does not look for "Exchange 2007" but is more interested in bike trails.  By typing in "bike trails" in GDS, he gets his recent bike trail folder PDF's, all bike trail pictures he took, a few bike trail video's he made and all Word documents he made of his own found and laid out bike trials.

    So, what can your application do?



  • @wooter said:

    By typing "exchange 2007" in GDS, I get PDF ebooks on the subject of Exchange 2007, I get TechNet whitepapers on Exchange 2007, I get podcasts on Exchange 2007, I get presentations on Exchange 2007 and I get movie clips on Exchange 2007.

    SwampSearch can do PDF, too. Just video it in. Put the video in a folder. And then start screen saver mode to show random Exchange 2007 or bike trail video. You can not only do it with pdf. You can also video in podcast. Play it with media player, if you like. Then take your camcorder and video it in. Then you can view random video. It's that easy. No need for a pdf reader. A web browser or a media player. Swamp Search can do it all. Everyone can do it. All you need is a camcorder and a day of training at the Swamp Shack.

    (I'm gonna do this professionally. Spactate Swamp imitator. It's a market gap. I'll earn much money. As a Swamp Shack Seeder. SSDS is big job opportunity.)



  • @Tommie said:

    I just started on my own implementation of your great piece of software in the latest VB.NET version. Now I'm new in VB I so please be gentle on my coding style. I couldn't get it to sourcefourge so is used an alternate method of opening/securing teh codez.

    Here it is

    Smooth...will you be running classes at your shack?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    I can search.jpg metadata - This app does it for mp3. I should put the code in for jpg as well. I have always felt putting text into picture and video files is pure wrong and silly. Another layer of confusion for the masses. What program inserts this info. Do I have to learn how to operate that?

    Yes because then the data and its associated metadata would always be in the same place and what kind of idiot would want that?

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    they simply type what they are looking for and PRESTO-BINGO - It's no presto-bingo if it is their jpg metadata. That data has to be input somehow. The key features over-ride the minor interface problems. Interfaces are computer fluff.

    So how does the metadata embedded into a JPG, MP3, etc. differ from the metadata in your index file, or whatever you call it? Surely it has to be input somehow? What program inserts this info? Do I have to learn how to operate that?



  • Not yet. I'm literally swamped developing the future do-it-all-exract-it-all search for masses. But I will be doing random classes in a month or two I think when the first release becomes available.

    But if there are other people who want to help out using the latest technologies and buzzwords. Hell we might even want to do XML.So XML experts are welcome too. Just add the stuff to the repository like derula did.

    And btw derula. You should be doing SSales man! 




  • @Tommie said:

    I'm literally swamped developing the future do-it-all-exract-it-all search for masses

     

    Y'need help, where do I sign up?  The last 15 pages/4weeks of posts have convinced me.  Of the uniquely useful qualities of this project.  To be a part of bringing.   Such powerful software.  To the masses.  To be in control of their DATA! 

    Do you think they'd like being called the masses?



  • @Tommie said:

    And btw derula. You should be doing SSales man!

    That's what I was thinking. I will cancel university. No one needs mathematicians anyway. That I'll build SwampShacks all over the country. We got a few Swamps here in Germany. Of course not as many as in canada, but it might work as well. Then I'll exercise Swamp Specialists who can train the masses. And qualify Swamp Spreaders who can convince the masses. And I'll need Swamp Shack Set-uppers. I think I'd better start hiring now.



  • @upsidedowncreature said:

    Do you think they'd like being called the masses?
     

    They prefer Masses. The Masses aren't interested in what they're called. It's just Gee-Haw. Boondoggle. Spectate Swamp Desktop Search is all they need. Take back your DATA. Us techs underestimate the power of SEARCH. But we will get Clued in.

    Has anyone seen that film. The Ring. I think this thread is like that. Once you read it. You become a Swampie. We should video it. Post it to the Masses. Bring them the power of SEARCH. Search can post itself. To the Masses. At prompt #1 enter "gf". At prompt #2 enter "o" for post. At prompt #3 enter "kk". 4-9 are defaults. Or you can type "randa" for random Policical Slogans. FUN. #10 leave blank. #11 type "ww". Then the POSTING starts. Spreading ClueNessLess to the Masses.

    I'll post a Video. Show you how. Common Sense. You'll have a ball. 


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