Why is Everybody so clueless on the importance of Desktop Search to the Masses?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    It's not that bad. Your skills are still useful in some circles.
         But the rest of the masses don't need all the computer knowledge burden.
     

    But your application requires the user to know all sorts of technical things (random syntax, how to export files to .txt, merging of files etc.), google, wds etc. require you to be able to type the word(s) you are searching for and nothing else - how can your application be better for the end user?

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    John Doe won't have to remember anything I'm going to do short short videos of everything     No visit to Spectate Swamp Shack required.

    Why should the end user even need to watch a video (and please use a screen capture program so it is in focus for more than a second at a time) when other search tools simply require them to type a word (or words)  they are looking for?

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    cryptic command line. No doubt. But not that much to pick up 6 or 8 main commands. With clear
         understanding of what is going on in the background. Because I'll check the code. Can't any of you
         even get a glimmer of what's going on in the program. It's called SEARCH. Like get a Clue.

         their job consists of playing random video files. Your job should consist of some video. It's going
         to take over. This app will help make it enjoyable. You'll see.


    As I said yesterday most people expect a search program to search for files not search inside a single file! I do not want to waste my time manually exporting and building an index (even though you say you do not use an index that is effectively what your large text files are), I just want to be able to search and find the original documents in their original location.

    Also I would love to know what job has a skill requirement of 'must be able to play random video files'

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    They get results with context. They get index jibberish. Not the real data.

    Every other search tool uses the index to get you the real data, but this is done behind the scenes! The users do not need to even be aware that an index is being used. They certainly do not get the index contents displayed and they are most definitely not expected to maintain the index themselves.

     

    Please try to answer some of the many, many questions posted yesterday - you asked for questions and when you get them you simply say

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    I'm not looking at yesterday's questions. This forum was way way more clueless than I could have imagined. But that's OK. I'm in the right spot.

    at least read them before dismissing them.

     



  • @spenk said:

    (entire text)

    You notice something, Swamp? We're all asking for the same things here. And you've not been able to provide any answers...

    @rc_pinchey said:

    I think he's
    just a slightly (completely?) mad person who we're all shouting at...
    and that makes me feel a little mean.  :-(

    Well, to be honest, I'm convinced he's a mad person. But that doesn't keep me from shouting at him. I don't feel mean anymore. In the beginning, yes, but not anymore. Type "SpectateSwamp" in Google and read through some of the results. You'll see that he's used to being shouted at, banned, ignored, etc. but still keeps going and going and going...

    By the way, what's that SourceForge-address now?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    With a camcorder you got slow motion, sound, action, movement, changing
         perspectives, random and freeze frame. 

    And still it is like comparing apples and oranges. 

    @SpectateSwamp said:

         cryptic command line. No doubt. But not that much to pick up 6 or 8 main commands. With clear
         understanding of what is going on in the background. Because I'll check the code. Can't any of you
         even get a glimmer of what's going on in the program. It's called SEARCH. Like get a Clue.

         their job consists of playing random video files. Your job should consist of some video. It's going
         to take over. This app will help make it enjoyable. You'll see.

     

    1. I don't do Visual Basic, at least not for a thing that could be replaced by a simple shell script.

    2. I don't do that much video, but even if I did, I could just use a few lines of shell scripting todo the exactly same goddamn thing your "search" does.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    . Me go video. Not Worry.

     




    UH! Me caveman! Me use SSDS!


  • @rc_pinchey said:

    After reading this whole thread, that video is without doubt one of the finest things I've ever seen in my life. You've made an application that can, after entering arbitrary commands on 10 successive screens, show you 8-second chunks of video randomly selected from political debates and hunting trips.
     

    I already answered his challenge on the Channel9 forum for his 'search'.

    http://www.mediafire.com/?bjudcl2lmo2

    That is a video of  notepad doing the same thing his 'search' does. Only better. (yeah, I know, large avi file. I didn't exactly put a lot of thought or time into this. Sorry.)

    If someone could throw together a similar video in Windows Media player of the shuffle function, I would love to see it and hear his reaction.

    We all know it is easy to do. Throw it together and show him. I am trying to throw something together myself, but quickly finding out I have no 'safe for work' (or really anywhere) videos on my laptop.



  • Swampies NEEDED


    01-22-2008 9:31 AM
    spenk

    Why limit the search criteria to six? It was 3 at one time. That was just too few. I seldom seldon
    need 6 search items. It works for me. Extend it if you like?

    with WDS I can enter Project1 OR Project2 NOT. You bet it can. But I hardly ever use it. The 'ss'
    option at prompt #2 makes it so.

    fitting seamlessly into my daily use. On projects I kept lots of text notes. And screen captures. The
    app was used to display the cataloged jpgs'. Use it to check an extract from one of your large databases.
    It has a couple fun features. Like "f" at prompt #2. This mode will show everything on the screen until
    a match is found. A waste of resources but FUN.

    Why on earth would I replace my camera with a camcorder. I felt the same way about the reverse. Using my
    camera when I had a camcorder. During the trapline posts. Some viewers said they were on low speed telephone
    connections and that the video was almost impossible to upload. I started taking pictures then. A full camera
    every day (72 or so) Even I can learn from discussions. But won't admit it here.

    01-22-2008 9:32 AM
    Nelle
    Cleaning up the code would not help it, redesign would. You bet it could. I'd tell you the things I'd leave out
    as hindsight is 20/20. It's pretty easy to take existing code that works and is as simple as this is and port it
    to another language and OS.

    01-22-2008 9:48 AM
    derula
    This program shows elapsed time and hit counts. See how fast your new drive is with this program. If you don't
    have a few large text files hanging around. Use the Merge to merge and remerge a whole lot of text files as a test.
    Run multiple versions. Run from your backup DVD's Don't worry you won't have to know much. Just watch the video
    and hit pause now and then. I move fast with this app.

    01-22-2008 9:58 AM
    emurphy
    text-based online game. Good going. I have a friend that did similar. In a paragraph or 2 what are you doing
    data wise and decision / logic wise. This search would allow you to search out the raw data.

    The common man needs you to draw him a goddamn picture. Not really. I've been working with the common man / woman
    for well over 30 years in IT. You underestimate them. On a far more complex system. I had my users help me debug
    data problems in a 2,000,000 line plant management system. When an error was found. They would allow me the time
    to create a program to identify the (pointer situation) the record was in. I could then find any more that were
    like it. and do a weekly search for such culprits. I'd let the users run them as well.


    01-22-2008 11:15 AM
    MarcB

    That's way more than me or my Swampies need to know. All this techie stuff gives me headaches.

    01-22-2008 11:35 AM
    belgariontheking
    make it EASIER for newbies. There are so many packages and apps to have and understand that it is overwhelming
    to the Man / Woman on the street. Learn a few simple commands and in a short while some wonderful person will be
    comming out with a nice GUI edition. Big hugs for who-ever that will be.

    01-22-2008 12:18 PM
    belgariontheking
    anybody got a torch? Too late. The code is out there. There could be more Swampies out there than even I could Imagine...

    01-22-2008 12:34 PM
     superjer

    burn down to eliminate SSDS? Resistance is futile. It's opensource code now. Moving changing, morphing into something even better.

    01-22-2008 2:15 PM
    NeoMojo
    a quagmire of nonsense (realised or not). Believe it or not you have come a long way NeoMojo. Try it. Don't be afraid to learn
    the last piece of important software you need to know.

    01-22-2008 2:31 PM
    MarcB

    a few (bajillion) random results. The moment you start using random for display of your pictures, screen captures
    video and music you become hooked. For some strange strange reason techies resist this feature. Maybe it's because
    their favorite search engine doesn't do it? Maybe?

    SS is a total visionary... No. More like a Luddite. Striving hard to keep computing simple in my live. And it is
    allowing me to make real use of computers. Even if it is just Clueing this group in.

    01-22-2008 4:42 PM
    Cap'n Steve

    says something like "Merge Files"? I make one tiny mistake and you pick it up. It wasn't "gf" option to merge it
    is "merge" my mind was a couple curves ahead. Sorry about the mistake.

    What if I my search term has a slash in it. The "/" search key seperator is a command file element. cmd(6)
    in control.txt Change it with notepad. I used it because it was close to the home position on the keyboard.
    It is very handy to enter the " ???/??? " spaces before and after characters if you don't know how to spell
    the word, but just parts of it. Searching for SPACES is important for search.

    01-22-2008 6:23 PM
    Renan_S2

    So what if I don't have a copy of VB. Maybe you could send Your code changes to a friend that has VB
    they could send you back the exe. I did that for a friends computer that behaved differently when closing
    out than any of mine.

    just a badly-done grep clone. It was always search to me not grep. Since the mid 80's. Geeze they picked
    a horrible name for grep. Worse than some of my prompts way way worse.

    01-22-2008 6:28 PM
    rc_pinchey
    application that's so complicated even the programmer can't use it. It has so many possibilities I forget some
    of them myself. Just this morning. I found that the "gf" option resets the "random" control element to "norandom" cmd(49)
    control.txt line #49. Somehow I must have got tired of cataloging video. and seeing random right off.
    There is a lot in this program. Simple stuff and the more complex. It's got it all.

    01-22-2008 6:53 PM
    boomzilla

    powerful text and file manipulation specialized language. Simple tools are sometimes the best. This is the "Hammer"
    of computing. Don't worry it's simple in approach.

     01-22-2008 8:40 PM
    Quinnum
    Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. Some of the code has already left the planet. Now it's
    the most powerful program in our galaxy.

    01-23-2008 3:55 AM
    wooter

    You got some documentation. I'll try and do video documentation. Maybe if you looked at the code you could
    help your dad out a bit like a good boy. And thankyou for doing so.

    01-23-2008 6:04 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware

    cannot send or receive email, and is utterly useless. The other search engines can't either. What a stupid stupid feature request.

    01-23-2008 6:34 AM
    taylonr

    I don't have any emails that are of importance that are more than maybe 1 year old. Keeping the all just makes
    it easier. One huge file. and no need to make the should I or shouldn't I keep the email. I find lots of friends
    I have almost forgotten over time. The total amount of text someone will collect in a lifetime of reading. It tiny tiny.

    the "average" user who spends a couple hours per night has even less need. If they got digital video. They will leap-frog
    you with their computer use. Just like me...ha ha ha

    01-23-2008 6:49 AM
    belgariontheking

    No two sentences make sense. come on belgariontheking you can do it. I'll make more video. Soon your computer worries will be gone.

     01-23-2008 6:50 AM
    belgariontheking
    EULA that states that they own my emails. Maybe not but they are interested. Spectate swamp search isn't. Too complex a task for
    old swampie. Maybe the new Swampies will want to use it for that. But you can TRUST me.

     01-23-2008 6:54 AM 
    belgariontheking

    She's not computer savvy. Help her a bit by looking at the code like a good son. Allow her to be digital video
    savvy and not to worry about the details. If she wants to know. You tell her what's going on.

    01-23-2008 6:59 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware

    Your app also DEFINITELY does not run as a 'background job'. Oh yes it does. It just doesn't communicate back with the initial search.
    that wouldn't be hard to add. Just some common file created by the (sub search) and checked by the initial one.

    Could easily be done. You do it.

    01-23-2008 7:08 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware

    Your plain text method loses all attachments, appointments, contacts and tasks. I can manually store any attachments if I like. But
    I'm far far more interested in my own stuff than what others might send me. Unless it was a very powerful program like this one.
    Then I would definitely save it. To a special area. Very special

     

     

     

     



  • Where are answers to our questions? Read your own stuff - you keep repeating empty phrases but giving no real answers.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    01-22-2008 6:28 PM
    rc_pinchey
    application that's so complicated even the programmer can't use it. It has so many possibilities I forget some
    of them myself. Just this morning. I found that the "gf" option resets the "random" control element to "norandom" cmd(49)
    control.txt line #49. Somehow I must have got tired of cataloging video. and seeing random right off.
    There is a lot in this program. Simple stuff and the more complex. It's got it all.
     

    It does so many things that you forget them, and sometimes the application does things in an unexpected, unpredictable way? 

    THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING. 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    But won't admit it here.

     This explains everything. You won't admit you are plain wrong, your software is an useless wheel-reinventing... In fact, just give up and admit you're a loser.  

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    EULA that states that they own my emails.
     

     Where? Please show me this.

     @SpectateSwamp said:

    It was always search to me not grep. Since the mid 80's. Geeze they picked
    a horrible name for grep. Worse than some of my prompts way way worse.

    grep IS a "search" program. And it is MUCH more usable than your prompts.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    This is the "Hammer" f computing. Don't worry it's simple in approach.

    Simple and that destroys everything. 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    01-23-2008 6:59 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware

    Your app also DEFINITELY does not run as a 'background job'. Oh yes it does. It just doesn't communicate back with the initial search.
    that wouldn't be hard to add. Just some common file created by the (sub search) and checked by the initial one.

    Could easily be done. You do it.

     

    That doesn't even make sense. Again, please go do a little research and make intelligent arguments.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    01-23-2008 7:08 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware

    Your plain text method loses all attachments, appointments, contacts and tasks. I can manually store any attachments if I like. But
    I'm far far more interested in my own stuff than what others might send me. Unless it was a very powerful program like this one.
    Then I would definitely save it. To a special area. Very special

    This doesn't make sense either. It is obvious you use email like a caveman. In outlook, click find, type in your search phrase, you have emails pop up. Double click them, you have your emails, any replies, and attachments right there.Your app has none of these features.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    01-23-2008 6:04 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware

    cannot send or receive email, and is utterly useless. The other search engines can't either. What a stupid stupid feature request.

    The other 'search engines'(which is not a fair comparison, since you don't actually search anything) don't claim to be the only program you will ever need, like you do with SSDS.

    Just another of your claims that doesn't come close to the truth.

     

    And please learn to use the proper quoting technique... 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Why limit the search criteria to six? It was 3 at one time. That was just too few. I seldom seldon
    need 6 search items. It works for me. Extend it if you like?

     

    I might need more than 6 terms but for an end user the suggestion to change the code, e-mail it to a friend who has vb6, get them to compile it and reply with a new .exe isn't really a valid option. Seriously it isn't.

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    with WDS I can enter Project1 OR Project2 NOT. You bet it can. But I hardly ever use it. The 'ss'
    option at prompt #2 makes it so.


    If you can perform a search similar to 'Project1 OR Project2 NOT author:spenk' please show us how, saying ss makes it so isn't proving this or giving us any idea of just how simple an operation this is in SSDS.

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    fitting seamlessly into my daily use. On projects I kept lots of text notes. And screen captures. The
    app was used to display the cataloged jpgs'. Use it to check an extract from one of your large databases.
    It has a couple fun features. Like "f" at prompt #2. This mode will show everything on the screen until
    a match is found. A waste of resources but FUN.

    that was kind of my point - it suits your working style but not my working style - what compelling reason is there for me to switch to SSDS based on that argument? As an aside - if my information is in a database that supports the full ANSI SQL syntax why would I want to export it to .txt to perform searches? If I can search.jpg metadata directly why would I want to export it (or catalogue it myself) before being able to search it?

     @SpectateSwamp said:


    Why on earth would I replace my camera with a camcorder. I felt the same way about the reverse. Using my
    camera when I had a camcorder. During the trapline posts. Some viewers said they were on low speed telephone
    connections and that the video was almost impossible to upload. I started taking pictures then. A full camera
    every day (72 or so) Even I can learn from discussions. But won't admit it here.

     

    Cameras take still shots, camcorders do not. These are two fundamentally different things (a bit like searching and randomly displaying things really). If I want a movie I will use a camcorder (unless it is a movie showing computer usage in which case I would use a screen capture program - that was a hint by the way), if I want still pictures I will use a camera - this is not an either / or situation each tool suits a differernt job! If I want to search a pdf I will search the pdf and not video the entire pdf while making notes about what words appear however many seconds into the out of focus movie.

    Finally - could you please, please, please give a single example that shows how having to remember even one or two commands (and at which prompt to type them) is easier than just typing the search terms into a textbox and getting the results immediately. I'll even ignore the whole automatic / manual indexing thing on this question - I will be happy to see just the search being easier. if you are going to video this then please don't make it another out of focus camcorder movie though - they are not helping your case.

     



  • @PJH said:

    @DigitalXeron said:
    Your product from what you've shown us only serves you
    I think you would have been better off stopping there.

    But then, he wouldn't have been able to tag it as "☢"



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    come on belgariontheking you can do it. I'll make more video. Soon your computer worries will be gone.

    I've found three sentences in a row that cannot make sense in any configuration. 

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    EULA that states that they own my emails. Maybe not

    I thought so.@SpectateSwamp said:

    She's not computer savvy. Help her a bit by looking at the code like a good son. Allow her to be digital video
    savvy and not to worry about the details. If she wants to know. You tell her what's going on.

     

    How is me looking at the code to your piece of shit going to help her be more computer savvy. 

    She has Google Desktop on her computer.  I've never heard her say "Man, if only this could work slower, require me to build my own index, and play random video.  Not to mention require me to learn all these new things.  Then I would be set for life!"  ...

    Actually I just called her and asked her if she would want that to be a part of her search and she said she couldn't think of a reason anyone would. 



  • Portable BackedUp data is a Beautiful thing

    Complicated not really. Just the basics and a few more less basic capabilities.

    The Prime directive of computing was "Extract, Sort AND Report"
    This app does the "Extract"
    Every OS has a "Sort" (no need to try compete with them)
    Now with SSDS there is no need for a "Report" (view the data on the screen. no physical report required)

    If text file changes are needed use a NotePad type plain text editor OR the SSDS option for LARGE file
    search and replace 'rrr' at prompt #2

    Portable BackedUp data is a Beautiful thing.
    --------------------------------------------
    Moving to another system/OS that doesn't support SSDS. No Big deal. Your text, jpg and other common formats
    will move easily and still have search value on the NEW system. But for sure you will miss this FUN Search.

     




  • Hi Mr Spectate Swamp,

    I am very much interested in your Desktop Search! I have begun work on a unix port, please review my preliminary work below. This is just a basic design plan, we will need to add in additional arguments and video capabilities in later, but in the spirit of True OpenSource here it is:

    #!/bin/bash
    

    find / -print | xargs cat >> ~/ssds.out

    function ssds() {
    grep $1 ~/ssds.out
    }

    Please, in the interest of secrecy, do not share the codes yet. We must refine the codes before allowing the Critics here to bring us down.



  • @MurfWTF said:


    Hi Mr Spectate Swamp,

    I am very much interested in your Desktop Search! I have begun work on a unix port, please review my preliminary work below. This is just a basic design plan, we will need to add in additional arguments and video capabilities in later, but in the spirit of True OpenSource here it is:

    #!/bin/bash
    

    find / -print | xargs cat >> ~/ssds.out

    function ssds() {
    grep $1 ~/ssds.out
    }

    Please, in the interest of secrecy, do not share the codes yet. We must refine the codes before allowing the Critics here to bring us down.

     

     kind sir--

    plz email teh codes.

    kthxbye



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    The Prime directive of computing was "Extract, Sort AND Report"
     

    WRONG again.  The orignal prime directive of computing was to calculate mortar shell trajectories.  Try a third time.



  • @belgariontheking said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    The Prime directive of computing was "Extract, Sort AND Report"
     

    WRONG again.  The orignal prime directive of computing was to calculate mortar shell trajectories.  Try a third time.

     

    I thought the prime directive was you cannot hurt or arrest OCP employees.

    No?



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @belgariontheking said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    The Prime directive of computing was "Extract, Sort AND Report"
     

    WRONG again.  The orignal prime directive of computing was to calculate mortar shell trajectories.  Try a third time.

     

    I thought the prime directive was you cannot hurt or arrest OCP employees.

    No?

     

    I thought it was something about not messing around with people on other planets? 



  • @rc_pinchey said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @belgariontheking said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    The Prime directive of computing was "Extract, Sort AND Report"
     

    WRONG again.  The orignal prime directive of computing was to calculate mortar shell trajectories.  Try a third time.

     

    I thought the prime directive was you cannot hurt or arrest OCP employees.

    No?

     

    I thought it was something about not messing around with people on other planets? 

     

    Then maybe we should stop picking on SpectateSwamp? Or does that not carryover to alternate planes of reality?



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @rc_pinchey said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @belgariontheking said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    The Prime directive of computing was "Extract, Sort AND Report"
     

    WRONG again.  The orignal prime directive of computing was to calculate mortar shell trajectories.  Try a third time.

     

    I thought the prime directive was you cannot hurt or arrest OCP employees.

    No?

     

    I thought it was something about not messing around with people on other planets? 

     

    Then maybe we should stop picking on SpectateSwamp? Or does that not carryover to alternate planes of reality?

    This went over my head and I had to google "prime directive" to get the joke.  hands in his geek license



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    This app does the "Extract"
     

    Does it? I thought it does the "Search"

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Every OS has a "Sort" (no need to try compete with them)
     

    Please provide a sample of how to sort your monolith text file content with Windows standard software.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Now with SSDS there is no need for a "Report" (view the data on the screen. no physical report required)

    That's your point of view. What if I do need a physical report? How can you dictate the way people need to process their data? Or is it just the fact that you don't know how to implement physical reports?

    What's the SourceForge-URL for your project again? I'd like to take a look how your little adventure into the OpenSource world is working out.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @tdittmar said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    This app does the "Extract"
     

    Does it? I thought it does the "Search"

    What happened to it playing the random video?



  • The idea of Open Source is that anyone can modify the code, not fix something that code that is 8-9 years out of date. You have to fix the code first I believe. Not many people are willing to download and then fix this (fix is relative in this case).

    The app looks like some kind of UI and command line combination gone wrong. How many other apps use inputs as message boxes, at least as much as this code does? I cant thing of any. There only seems to be one form in the code and no other ui, apart from all those message boxes (or whatever VB calls them). The code is vb 5, which no-one uses these days, so I doubt this is going to be ""fixed"". This is also a great example of the "mystery meat" pattern, your never quite sure what will happen with those commands.



  • @Tachyon said:

    The idea of Open Source is that anyone can modify the code, not fix something that code that is 8-9 years out of date. You have to fix the code first I believe. Not many people are willing to download and then fix this (fix is relative in this case).

    The app looks like some kind of UI and command line combination gone wrong. How many other apps use inputs as message boxes, at least as much as this code does? I cant thing of any. There only seems to be one form in the code and no other ui, apart from all those message boxes (or whatever VB calls them). The code is vb 5, which no-one uses these days, so I doubt this is going to be ""fixed"". This is also a great example of the "mystery meat" pattern, your never quite sure what will happen with those commands.

     

    Oh come on! It should be easy to port this to Java or C++, and port it to each platform!

    The GOTOs will make it fun!

    Fun... like farting in a spacesuit.



  •  1000 posts, here we come!



  • @belgariontheking said:

     1000 posts, here we come!

     

    Do you (or anybody else) know this site's record as to the number of replies? 




  • @belgariontheking said:

     1000 posts, here we come!

    FRIST!!!!!1!!!!!111!!!!!

    I mean.... damnit... nevermind.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Maybe if you looked at the code you could
    help your dad out a bit like a good boy. And thankyou for doing so.

    Well, I remember some VB, so I could do that.  Except, the code isn't really readable, you know...  So, why spend half a day's of my dad's time ánd half a day of my time to have one "common man" being able to use your application?

     And what happens if the "common man" doesn't have techie offspring?

     



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:


    @belgariontheking said:

     1000 posts, here we come!

    FRIST!!!!!1!!!!!111!!!!!

    I mean.... damnit... nevermind.

    that was fucking hilarious.  I loled here in my office ... err, well semi-office (I share it with one person) ... I mean cubicle which I share with three people.



  • Although we all know he won't listen and we'll just get a response along the lines of "If you spent half an hour at the love swamp shack you'd get raped fall in love with the program", that has got to be one of the best posts on this entire forum. Well done DigitalXeron. You expressed so well what we all tried to. 

     

    In other news, I photoshopped an image for y'all. Looks like a poster you'd see beside an interstate.

    Spectate Swamp Desktop Search - All You'll Never Need



  • @elgate said:

    In other news, I photoshopped an image for y'all. Looks like a poster you'd see beside an interstate.

     

    Man, that's gonna cause some accidents.  Maybe the 11 o'clock news could play random clips of car wrecks in tribute. 



  • Wow, that 'roadsign' is awesome.  Lets see SS do that with his Camcorder and SSDS. 



  • (no subject)

     I'm not sure what is sadder - the waste of time and bytes that this thread represents, or that a bridge is lacking an anti-goat guardian.



  • @elgate said:

    In other news, I photoshopped an image for y'all. Looks like a poster you'd see beside an interstate.
     

    Looks great :) 



  • @elgate said:

    In other news, I photoshopped an image for y'all. Looks like a poster you'd see beside an interstate.
     

    I need some new desktop wallpaper.  Do you have a higher res scan? 



  • @belgariontheking said:

    I need some new desktop wallpaper.  Do you have a higher res scan? 
     

    Unfortunately, that's the resolution his photo was provided at. But who needs desktop wallpaper when you have SSDS?

    Just for fun, I did scale the canvas to 1024px wide: http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/elgate/?action=view&current=SSDS1_big.jpg - at least the text won't look interpolated. 

    BTW yes, it is a scan - but I didn't scan it, Swampie did.



  • Modem problems Gone.

    I got my new modem. Everything is fine now. Lots more demo video coming your way.

    Catalog and play/display music and pictures the same way the "gf" option video does "mpg" videos. (today's video demo)

    Thanks again to all the respondents for providing the tuff questions that needed answering. I will try and catch up with some more questions in the morning.

     

    Now my modem is working. I can do some "Special Request" videos. If there is any part of this Search you are interested in.



  •  The Grinch Who Used GoTos

    Larger (1024x768) image at http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/elgate/?action=view&current=GrinchtateSwamp_large.jpg 

     

    I'm enjoying this way too much.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Now my modem is working. I can do some "Special Request" videos. If there is any part of this Search you are interested in.
     

    Show how my dad in one click and typing one word is being able to search any document on his computer.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @elgate said:

    Just for fun, I did scale the canvas to 1024px wide: http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/elgate/?action=view&current=SSDS1_big.jpg - at least the text won't look interpolated. 
    I quite like "The Grinch who used GoTos" one.



  • @belgariontheking said:

    @elgate said:

    In other news, I photoshopped an image for y'all. Looks like a poster you'd see beside an interstate.
     

    I need some new desktop wallpaper.  Do you have a higher res scan? 

    Did you not learn anything from this thread? Grab your video camera, video the picture off the screen, look it up with SSDS - important: convert to text before - and then enjoy it displaying randomly! THAT's fun. Having a boring desktop background. Booooo.

    Man, you should really re-read this thread... 



  • Freedom from computer geekerie

    01-23-2008 7:09 AM
    MasterPlanSoftware
    Nobody. Your 'search' is useless and everyone hates it and you. - My question was who was using video.
    not who dislikes me and my program. Just answer the question. (who is doing video) Not MPS for sure.

    01-23-2008 7:10 AM 
    spenk

    I might keep them to base future presentations. - Don't destroy the originals. Back them up and after you
    have done screen captures and text extracts. You'll have data that is useful to others. Not just fancy
    text and formatting anymore. Useful data to all.

    Indexing takes virtually no time. - The first indexing takes more time. How can it index without reading all
    the data in all the files that are being indexed. Then fiddle to create the index. A merge just has to be
    faster. Has to be.

    Visual studio can search multiple files no problem. - SSDS could be changed to do the same. But this method
    is much faster. No directory overhead for the 2 and subsequent searches. This would have to be faster.

    why you are insistant that the best way for me. - Well maybe not for you but for the masses who don't want
    to spend the rest of their lives on the computer learning treadmill. I'd rather be videoing than guruing.

    01-23-2008 7:15 AM
    wooter

    stupid that he would have to travel from Europe to Canada to learn. - With the new demo videos. He won't have to come
    here. But it would be fun. I'm sure he will get the idea of this search. It seems the techies are the last ones
    to see the forrest for the trees. Plain text files that is read from start to finish looking for matches. If the
    next line is a picture. Display it. If a video or music, then play it. If just text then show it.
     
    my dad got going with it in 3 minutes - Your dad is smart like you. He'll get the idea of walking out the door
    with a DVD or external drive and having all his data and SSDS in hand. He'll be able to share it all with friends
    The rest don't share data like this. They like restricting you with their proprietary formatting. You are hooked
    to their application. With SSDS all your info is your info. Use the other search engines if you like to look at
    it. That's what your dad needs to know. He'll spend the few minutes required to look at Spectate_Swamp_01.mpt
    02.mgp and those that follow.

    Any questions Dad. I'll do a Video?

    01-23-2008 7:16 AM
    tdittmar

    talking about only about data availability all the time - You are right. Because for the Masses who want computers
    for video, pictures, music and keeping the odd note and phone number, that's all they really care about. Of course
    a good backup is a given and doesn't even need to be mentioned.

    if schools shared all their marks, students' and personnel data - I would never suggest that sensitive info be shared
    It's stupid to keep info on computers that can result in legal penalties. Keep the marks and personel info in a book
    or one single computer in a back room. Why risk the future of your employer or yourself. over a tiny amount of overall
    info. At one time it was illegal to ask for peoples Social Insurance Numbers. I've seen that in databases many times.
    Some dumb ass accountant is always making the requests. Not knowing there isn't a net connected computer on earth that
    can't be compromised.

    (anybody can access your txt files). - Exactly and that's the way I like it. I can easily share with everybody in the
    office. Everybody on the Net. EVERYBODY. I could fall and take a nasty knock on the head forgetting everything. There
    would be no need to relearn many apps. Just the 1/2 day viewing SSDS demo videos.

    "A skin won't help" with "Oh, skinning is easy!". I don't really care about a skin. Or I would have done it. The poor
    interface is all I hear about in techie forums. It's what inside that counts. Beauty is often only skin deep.

    No, you have not answered any questions and it is not your turn at all. - It is my turn. Answer my questions.

    Is anybody doing Mpeg video out there. You'll really like this app. Freedom from computer geekerie


     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    The first indexing takes more time. How can it index without reading all
    the data in all the files that are being indexed. Then fiddle to create the index. A merge just has to be
    faster. Has to be.

    True, the first indexing takes some time. Nobody ever said it didn't. However, you can't count "fiddle to create an index" as extra time as this is done during indexing. As I said, I have some rather full hard disk and I let the indexer run while I was watching a movie before I went to bed - it was done in those 2 hours. How long would it take me to extract plain text from all my files and merge them into one? I bet I wouldn't be able to do it in under 2 hours. So why do the work when I can watch a movie on TV and have my PC do the work? Plus I don't need to move my little finger for the index to get updates. So no, a merge is not faster. Cannot be!

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    It's stupid to keep info on computers that can result in legal penalties. Keep the marks and personel info in a book
    or one single computer in a back room.

    No, it's stupid to have information that can result in legal penalties - it's not a matter of where you keep it. I doubt that most information would result in legal penalties. My bank doesn't get sued for storing my customer information, does it? And I'm not getting sued for keeping my tax notes on my PC. That information is confidential, still, it doesn't lead to legal penalties, right? It is stupid to not prevent anybody who is not authorized from accessing or publishing that information.

    You see, no matter whether I keep the marks and personnel information on a PC or in a book - I can get sued if I let unauthorized people access the information. But as long as I do my best to prevent people from unauthorized access, I'm on the safe side.

    So, if it doesn't matter if I use a book or a PC - I wonder which one I'd choose for quick access and easily changing data...

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    I could fall and take a nasty knock on the head forgetting everything. There ould be no need to relearn many apps. Just the 1/2 day viewing SSDS demo videos.

    If you can remember you made those videos, where you keep them and what you were talking about in them. But you would not be able to find the videos because you would have forgotten all those cryptic commands you need to use in your "search".

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    It is my turn. Answer my questions. Is anybody doing Mpeg video out there. You'll really like this app. Freedom from computer geekerie

    Yes, I'm doing MPEG video myself. I still absolutely dislike your application - not only for the poor user interface, but most of all for its inner not-workings. 

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Is anybody doing Mpeg video out there. You'll really like this app. Freedom from computer geekerie

    First I was under the impression SpectateSwamp was not one person, but after some googling and looking at his video's of video's, I think I was wrong. Then I thought he was either brilliant or a complete idiot. So I downloaded his desktop-thingie and tried it..... I "do" mpeg video, have about 250 gigs of home-made video and tried your app. Well, it's crap.....

     

     

     

     

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    It seems the techies are the last ones to see the forrest for the trees

    I think SS is racist agains techies

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    I could fall and take a nasty knock on the head forgetting everything.

    Anybody got a banana?

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Is anybody doing Mpeg video out there

    Probably, but I'm still "back in the dark ages" doing powerpoint.  Interesting point about Powerpoint and Word documents.  If someone likes what I wrote, they can copy it out and paste it into another document.  Can't do that with video.  I mean, they can't view it in slow motion or pause it, but that's a tradeoff I'm willing to take.  



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    spenk

    I might keep them to base future presentations. - Don't destroy the originals. Back them up and after you
    have done screen captures and text extracts. You'll have data that is useful to others. Not just fancy
    text and formatting anymore. Useful data to all.

    But what benefits are there in backing up the originals and exporting the content to text when I can currently search them without doing any extra effort? Why would I do a screen capture and extract text when I have the look and feel and the text in the original sodding document. You are seriously advocating that if I have a slideshow in powerpoint the best long term storage solution is photograph the screen and export the text to a different file which I then merge into another large text file? 

     @SpectateSwamp said:

    Indexing takes virtually no time. - The first indexing takes more time. How can it index without reading all
    the data in all the files that are being indexed. Then fiddle to create the index. A merge just has to be
    faster. Has to be.

    Prove a merge is faster, show me some figures.

    The initial index can take time I will agree but it isn't my time it's the spare cpu usage in the background. Before I posted this I deliberately reset the index on this PC to force a full rebuild (just to prove a point and no other reason) and all the while the indexer never used more than 1% cpu and never impacted my ability to do anything else. It managed to index over 10,000 individual items (source code, jpegs, mp3s, word, excel, powerpoint, pdfs) in about 10 minutes (still going though as before I deleted the index I had close to 40,000 items indexed).

    There is no fiddling on my part - the index is building in the background as we speak (or type). You show me your application merging over 10,000 files spread over sevreral directories and of varying formats in under 10 minutes without driving cpu usage above 1% and I'll back you up on any forum you care to mention.

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    Visual studio can search multiple files no problem. - SSDS could be changed to do the same. But this method
    is much faster. No directory overhead for the 2 and subsequent searches. This would have to be faster.

    could be changed means it can't do it now - and how would a typical user even know where to start making this change? Again though have you done any performance bench marking? If not how do you know what kind of performance issues 'directory overhead' causes or the requirement for subsequent searches. Either way there is less of my time spent building the index by hand every time I need to make a change.

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    why you are insistant that the best way for me. - Well maybe not for you but for the masses who don't want
    to spend the rest of their lives on the computer learning treadmill. I'd rather be videoing than guruing.

    What learning treadmill is involved with google desktop or wds or the others? You install them and they do the grunt work involved in indexing - the user doesn't need to learn anything or perform any other tasks, when they want to search they type into a text box - no remembering odd commands like ww or s or .tt or whatever else your app needs. Have you ever seen or used any of these search programs you claim to be better than? Why have you not managed to answer previous questions (like my one regarding searching two terms but not a third), or show an in focus video proving how easy your app is to find a keyword in a source file, or locate a jpeg based on a keyword or a chapter in a pdf...


     



  • @elgate said:

    In other news, I photoshopped an image for y'all. Looks like a poster you'd see beside an interstate.
     

    Can you do stickers ... I'm willing to pay for this beauty...



  • @Nelle said:

    Can you do stickers ... I'm willing to pay for this beauty...
     

    I have no problem with someone else doing something with the JPEGs, even if they profit from it, but I can't be bothered doing it myself. How does one go about setting such things up?

    Or did you mean specific sticker-sized things? Guess I could try and come up with something in that genre. I'm just grateful SS decided to scan his photos before he figured out he could "video them in". 

     Edit: SpectateSwamp, Where's the link to the SourceForge project?



  • @tdittmar said:

    Grab your video camera, video the picture off the screen
     

    Sorry, guys, I COMPLETELY FORGOT to do that important step to make it look more professional. 




  • I've tried to avoid commenting about this killer [of sanity] app, but couldn't resist any further. 

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Don't destroy the originals. Back them up and after you
    have done screen captures and text extracts. You'll have data that is useful to others. Not just fancy
    text and formatting anymore. Useful data to all.
    Many times, the "fancy text and formatting" is just as important as the specific words of text.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    The first indexing takes more time. How can it index without reading all
    the data in all the files that are being indexed. Then fiddle to create the index. A merge just has to be
    faster. Has to be.
    The first index of REAL desktop search apps takes time, but a helluva lot less time than creating your magical beans merge (index) file. Plus, in REAL search apps, the index is automatically built in the background in spare CPU time, whereas your app takes real man time and labor. It's pretty much de facto that your merge ABSOLUTELY takes more time than the automatic indexing that users won't really notice.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    SSDS could be changed to do the same. But this method
    is much faster. No directory overhead for the 2 and subsequent searches. This would have to be faster.
    No, your method isn't faster. Really. Do a comparison.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Well maybe not for you but for the masses who don't want
    to spend the rest of their lives on the computer learning treadmill. I'd rather be videoing than guruing.
    And yet, you've managed to create the most Rube Goldberg-esque treadmill of any computer application known to man. With REAL search apps, the masses don't need to waste time manually create a huge mess of a merge (index) file and scour sloppy code to try to figure out how to fill in some crappy prompts to find their data; they simply type what they are looking for and PRESTO-BINGO, there it is!

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    It seems the techies are the last ones
    to see the forrest for the trees.
    Everyone here and on the other forums are trying to show you that those aren't trees; they are cardboard cutouts made by first graders for some play.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    I don't really care about a skin. Or I would have done it. The poor
    interface is all I hear about in techie forums. It's what inside that counts. Beauty is often only skin deep.
    What's on the inside only counts as far as "does it work the way it's supposed to". When talking about an app for the masses, not only does it have to work the way the masses expect it to work (with intuitive controls and displays), but it also can't be an puss-vomiting eye sore.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    It is my turn. Answer my questions.
    No, it's not your turn.You asked for questions. They were asked. You failed to answer. Go directly to Jail. Do not pass Go. You may not play again until you answer the questions.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    Is anybody doing Mpeg video out there. You'll really like this app. Freedom from computer geekerie
    Yes, I do video, and no, I really abhor your app. Everyone abhors your app. Anyone who says otherwise is either being polite, or afraid that you're some kind of psycho. Your app doesn't provide any freedom; if anything, it shackles you to the daily drudgery of being a slave to the app to feed it raw text (merge files into your index file) instead of allowing the computer do what it does best.

     

     

     

     

     

     


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