Why is Everybody so clueless on the importance of Desktop Search to the Masses?



  • @MarcB said:

    Your only tool is a hammer (SSDS), so everything looks like a nail (textfile).  I've got an entire toolbox filled with useful stuff, only one of which is a hammer (grep). I use the appropriate tool for the job, so if I've got a screw, I'll use a screwdriver. You'll just pound in the screw with your hammer and claim the screw is really just a nail.

    Even worse - he's got lug nuts, screws, washers, brackets, and all kinds of metal objects that may be more useful than nails in certain situations.  What does he do? Melt them all down into nails (convert everything to plain text).



  • SSDS is the manifestation of mankind's sin

    The mind control powers of SpectateSwamp are fearsome indeed. 39 pages of pure drivel based on one of the worst ideas for *anything* I have ever seen. I was even considering rewriting the crapplication myself just to make it go away. But I realise it's never going away. The dreams of ProjectGutenberg.txt won't stop. Make it go away.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Every company could use Swamp search to help them share data. The potential is incredible.
     

    As opposed to the numerous technologies and collaboration tools they can already use? I think not.

     @SpectateSwamp said:

    You did good I'll make a comment on my email archiver rather than cut
    and paste into inmail.txt and outmail.txt I'll use this great extract.

    Now I can search for anything in the above line and have the
    information at my fingertips. I don't care how big this file gets.
    Swamp search just soaks it up.

    Regardless of how yu do it, storing your e-mail in one large file that looses attachments and doesn't provide an easy way to track conversation threads is dumb, MPS has saved you a bit of the time it takes you to be dumb, that is all. You can now do dumb things faster, are you proud?

      @SpectateSwamp said:

    That won't happen untill SSDS has met and Crushed the challenge from
    GDS CDS WDS and YDS. Then you'll see lots of our little app. People
    already have it in their hands. I'm sure some of you are far smarter
    than me and can take this program a long way.

    SSDS is not comparable to any of the search tools you just listed - they all search for files, ssds only searches inside of files. They search multiple formats, ssds searches plain text. They work with the data in it's current location and build any required indexes automatically, ssds requires me to put data into a single file and build any indexes by hand.

    People may have it in their hand, but only because you have to pick something up before you can throw it a long way.

     @SpectateSwamp said:

    When I display the last screen of a file I just read the line with no
    action then the next and next until the end of file and do it a second
    time. Starting the display right before the end of file. I can't make
    it read any faster than that.

    You are reading the file twice then? The second time you are benfitting from the fact the first time loaded the entire file into the OS' cache. This is the reason we know you are producing videos that have been pre-loaded. Also could you not just open the file and simply seek (i.e. move the current read position in the file to the end) to get the last info ratherthan doing two full reads?

     

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    When I display the last screen of a file I just read the line with no action then the next and next until the end of file and do it a second time. Starting the display right before the end of file. I can't make it read any faster than that.
     

    See? As I said before. You're reading the file twice to find the line. That is reading to memory. That is what Copernic does (you complained about it). And you're doing it TWICE! And that is why when comparing Copernic to SSDS you need to do it with a cleanly started SSDS instance (not preload the file).



  • Re: Swamp Search will be a big failure.

    @spenk said:

    Regardless of how yu do it, storing your e-mail in one large file that looses attachments and doesn't provide an easy way to track conversation threads is dumb, MPS has saved you a bit of the time it takes you to be dumb, that is all. You can now do dumb things faster, are you proud?
     

    Please re-read the thread. I didn't give him anything,



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @spenk said:

    Regardless of how yu do it, storing your e-mail in one large file that looses attachments and doesn't provide an easy way to track conversation threads is dumb, MPS has saved you a bit of the time it takes you to be dumb, that is all. You can now do dumb things faster, are you proud?
     

    Please re-read the thread. I didn't give him anything,

     

    I gave him the link to the Outlook Express archiver, because I got tired of hearing him whine that email clients "hold your data hostage" because they cannot export to plain text.  He moaned that he'd wasted hours of his life (7 seconds per email) copying and pasting.  When I suggested he should incorporate the functionality into SSDS (after all, it does EVERYTHING) he belligerently challenged this forum to write the program for him.

    I used a simple Google search to find that program.  It took me a few seconds.  I thought that would've humbled Swamp a little bit.  Guess that shows how stupid I am.

    In fact, I'd bet he isn't using that program at all.  He probably still finds it "easier" to copy and paste, because the slightest change in his working routine is anathema to that man.



  • Large font scrolling text Example

     Large font scrolling text example.

     

    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6694888655631894126 

     

     

     



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    It sould be nice to see your grep results hi-lited.

    You mean like this?

     

    Those are Great numbers Greps are tremendous No file size limits for Greps. Confirmed and at speeds even faster that 20,000,000 

    So large file sizes and search speeds are not a problem. For grepplers like MarcSwamp and Me

    But you clearly aren't using grep.  For the record, I've tried your program.  I can't even begin to get results as quickly as grep did it.  Hell, with the file bible.txt, it chokes for minutes.  I can't even say how long the search would eventually take, because I give up after a couple minutes.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    That new fangled 6 too many changes for me.
     

    Hilarious.  VB6 came out, what, ten years ago?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Hail Satan!

    You asshole!  Satan killed my grandma and ran over my dog!  I hope a milk truck full of baboons crashes into your house. 



  • Grepplers do hilites

    @bstorer said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    It sould be nice to see your grep results hi-lited.

    You mean like this?

    Better much better. Search without hilites is NG


  • @bstorer said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    That new fangled 6 too many changes for me.
     

    Hilarious.  VB6 came out, what, ten years ago?

     

    VAX. I was Yellowhead in '93.  Extract Sort Report.   Camcorder.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Hail Satan!
    Somehow I strongly doubt SS is a satanist, as the first of their eleven sins is stupidity, and he seems to be in a perpetual state of sinning.



  • ONLY ONE HUNDRED MORE! Can this thread make it? Can it reach the new record heights of two THOUSAND replies?

    Who would have suspected such a lightweight thread can go such a distance. We just might see history in the making!

    (BTW why can't I use the up/down arrows to scroll through my text in editor? Doh)



  • @dlikhten said:

    (BTW why can't I use the up/down arrows to scroll through my text in editor? Doh)
     

    Because you touch yourself at night.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @bstorer said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    It sould be nice to see your grep results hi-lited.

    You mean like this?

    Better much better. Search without hilites is NG

    Yes, grep is much better.  Which is why I wouldn't use your search for anything other than a laugh.



  •  @bstorer said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    That new fangled 6 too many changes for me.
     

    Hilarious.  VB6 came out, what, ten years ago?

    In all seriousness, you are talking about a man who misses line numbers (in programming) so much, that he re-implemented them using labels.



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @dlikhten said:

    (BTW why can't I use the up/down arrows to scroll through my text in editor? Doh)
     

    Because you touch yourself at night.

     

    Actually my wife and my girlfriend touch me at night... But thanks for asking.

    Comon asshat you can come up with SOMETHING better than that... YOU CAN DO IT!



  • @dlikhten said:


    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    Because you touch yourself at night.

     

    Actually my wife and my girlfriend touch me at night... But thanks for asking.

    Comon asshat you can come up with SOMETHING better than that... YOU CAN DO IT!

     

    You are absolutely right. I am clearly a victim of your superior intellect and wit.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    @CodeSimian said:

    Maybe Swamp has ADD? Except his problem is so acute he cannot remember what he was saying 5 minutes ago.

    Thats why I keep lots of notes and have a search that can show me them. [...] A lapse in memory isn't that much of a problem, if you have a good Search for your notes.

    That didn't work for Sammy Jankis or Leonard Shelby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_%28film%29). So why should it work for you?



    Edit: I can feel he'll reply "They didn't have SSDS"



  • @dlikhten said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:
    @dlikhten said:
    <rhetorical question>
    <acerbic comment>
    <defensive flame>
    <attempt to defuse> 



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    Large font scrolling text example.

    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6694888655631894126

    Where do you see any text scrolling in this video? I only see some text slowly appearing and then disappearing...


  • @Everbody else said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    @rc_pinchey said:

    @dlikhten said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:
    @dlikhten said:
    <rhetorical question>
    <acerbic comment>
    <defensive flame>
    <attempt to defuse>

    <nonsensical statement somehow turning this conversation into justifcation for SSDS>

    THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE YOU RETARD




  • @derula said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    @CodeSimian said:

    Maybe Swamp has ADD? Except his problem is so acute he cannot remember what he was saying 5 minutes ago.

    Thats why I keep lots of notes and have a search that can show me them. [...] A lapse in memory isn't that much of a problem, if you have a good Search for your notes.


    That didn't work for Sammy Jankis or Leonard Shelby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_%28film%29). So why should it work for you?



    Edit: I can feel he'll reply "They didn't have SSDS"
     

    Clearly, the solution is for Spectate to tattoo his SSDS flowcharts all over his body.  If you do that, Spectate, maybe you'll convince everyone here that you're not Gee-Hawing us.  Otherwise, this thread is just a giant boondoggle.



  • There wasn't much talking in this video. What happened 😞



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

     Large font scrolling text example.
     

    That's not scrolling text. That' "draw a page of text, erase it, draw another page". Scrolling is when the text moves UP the screen. The top line vanishes, the remaining text moves up, and a new line is drawn at the bottom.

    But that's just being pedantic. More importantly: by god that's slow. I can get a marker and draw text on the screen faster than that. How long does it take for your cut 'n paste of this thread take to "scroll" by? I'm guessing a couple hours, minimum. You know that most programs have the ability to increase font sizes dynamically, right? In Firefox it's CTRL-plus and CTRL-minus. In IE it's View -> Text Size. And when the font size increases, scrolling speed doesn't slow down. We don't have to go messing around in a control.txt file and restart the program to change sizes.

    Oh, and congrats for making it onto SourceForge.

     Specatate Swamp Search on Source Forge

    Too bad you mispelled your project name. "specAtateswamp" (note the text in the URL, and the "Project UNIX Name"). How is anyone supposed to find it if you can't even spell the name right? It's a non-linear editor? That's the category it's filed in. I thought this was a search utility, not a video editor. You're quite religiously opposed to any sort of video editing, and this is where you file the project?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

     Large font scrolling text example.

     

    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6694888655631894126 

    By the way, I noticed something when reading this thread late night on my laptop. It's an age-old laptop that doesn't like these newfangled memory-hungry web browsers (even Opera is kind of a big bite), so I usually use some superlight browsers like Dillo or even text-based browsers like elinks or...

    ...actually, reading this forum is pain in elinks because it renders the pages too wide. So I usually use Lynx. (In case you are wondering, Lynx looks a lot like what you have pasted on those files. Hold on a moment, I'm getting to it.)

    Now, it's pretty hard to tell from your video what text was quoted and what was originally posted, because the quotation indents aren't evident. There's a same problem with Lynx, actually.

    I believe we have the same problem: It takes a little bit of guessing to see where the quotation from another post ends. How do you handle it? I think this is even more important to you since you care so much about the context - I don't care about it that much myself, since I'm merely reading the stuff in order...



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @MarcB said:

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    How could I possibly be doing anything to slow down my reads by half?

    You're using Visual Basic. And version 5 at that. It's not a "fast" language. Even if it does come as a .exe, it's still interpreted line-by-line by the visual basic runtime (all those .dlls you have to install just to be able to run your .exe). And then your code is, to put it very very mildly, highly unoptimized. Just because you can read a line of text using one line of visual basic code doesn't imply AT ALL that what's happening in the background is efficient. VB is a piece of highly stinky diarrhea for anything that requires high performance. Your one line of code is actually a few hundreds or thousands of lines of code inside VB's guts.

     

    Oh come on! I am hardly a fan of VB5 or 6 but you saying SSDS is slow OR a piece of crap because of VB is just ignorant. SSDS is a piece of crap because an idiot coded it. He could achieve comparable speeds by not 'reading' and processing every line in a file and not having AWFUL code strewn all over like he has.

    Anyone here should be able to pick up VB5 or VB6 and write an algorithm with output comparable to your results.

    Agreed. And by the way, VB5 has (had?) the ability to generate native code, as opposed to P-code, although I don't know which one is the default (which SS undoubtedly uses). Also P-code is hardly "interpreted line-by-line".

    @MarcB said:

    Here's the script I used to generate the swamp.txt test file. It's very easy.
    A VB expert like you can no doubt reproduce it in only a few years:

    #!/usr/bin/perl

    open($fh, '>swamp.txt');
    for $x (1 .. 20000000) {
            print $fh "This is line $x. Here's some more text to make the file even bigger, even though this text is repeated every line\n";
    }
    close($fh);

     

    Aww, you're just mean! Here, Swampy, I made you a deathbirthday present by converting it to VBScript. You only need to figure out how to run it!

    Option Explicit
    
    Dim fso, file, x
    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set file = fso.CreateTextFile("swamp.txt", True)
    For x = 1 to 20000000
      file.WriteLine("This is line " & CStr(x) & ". Here's some more text to make the file even bigger, even though this text is repeated every line")
    Next
    file.Close
    </pre
    
    And joys, it actually illustrates a good programming practice!


  • @MarcB said:

    I thought this was a search utility, not a video editor. You're quite religiously opposed to any sort of video editing, and this is where you file the project?
     

     Video editing. Is Evil. Unless you edit. To cut out crime.

    http://www.daniweb.com/forums/thread74992.html 

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    You won't be videoing long before you catch someone, doing something

    illegal. Editing those out can save a lot of hassle. The laws make

    almost everything illegal; from seat-belts to rolling stops. Resulting

    in some very good video, that will never be shown.

    Using an editor.  Is also good. To look at digital artifacts up close.  Birds can see. Video artifacts.

    @SpectateSwamp said:


    You can download the originals and take a more serious look if

    you have video editing software. Somebody out there should be

    able to explain this stuff away. Can't they. Anyway the tips are:

    How to capture video artifacts of your own. Sorta like a strange art

    Shoot clouds and sky with the sun at your back. Like in the video.

    If you have a bird put it in the video. You'll capture more of them.

    Because the birds seem to have the ability to see them too.

     



  • @rc_pinchey said:

    @dlikhten said:

    @MasterPlanSoftware said:
    @dlikhten said:
    <rhetorical_question />
    <acerbic_comment />
    <defensive_flame />
    <attempt_to_defuse /> 

    <fixed that="for you" />



  • @MarcB said:

    Oh, and congrats for making it onto SourceForge.

     Specatate Swamp Search on Source Forge

     

    I like how its dev status is: 5 - Production/Stable 

    Time to start submitting bugs! 



  • @MarcB said:

    Too bad you mispelled your project name. "specAtateswamp" (note the text in the URL, and the "Project UNIX Name").
     

    Is anyone surprised that Spectate cannot spell his own name?

    @MarcB said:

    How is anyone supposed to find it if you can't even spell the name right?

    To locate the SSDS SourceForge Project.  Simply fire up. Your copy of SSDS.  Oh...waitaminute.

     



  • @djork said:

    I like how its dev status is: 5 - Production/Stable 

    Time to start submitting bugs! 

     

    Oddly enough I am actually tempted to download SSDS again, just to submit valid bug reports... 



  • @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    @dlikhten said:


    @MasterPlanSoftware said:

    Because you touch yourself at night.

     

    Actually my wife and my girlfriend touch me at night... But thanks for asking.

    Comon asshat you can come up with SOMETHING better than that... YOU CAN DO IT!

     

    You are absolutely right. I am clearly a victim of your superior intellect and wit.

     

    Master "Bates" Software: I must say at this point you just make laugh!

     

    In any case I must check out SS's desktop search because I feel like making that software super-stable though good QA testing and after many hrs of SS fixing it realizing that nobody freaken' uses it for anything! Its just too compelling! Anyone care to make a bug-report bot?



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

     Large font scrolling text example. 

    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6694888655631894126

     

    Better large font scrolling text example.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9208042853406032110&hl=en 

     



  • @dlikhten said:

    In any case I must check out SS's desktop search because I feel like making that software super-stable though good QA testing and after many hrs of SS fixing it realizing that nobody freaken' uses it for anything! Its just too compelling! Anyone care to make a bug-report bot?
     

    Oh, no.  He got to you, didn't he?



  • @bstorer said:

    @dlikhten said:

    In any case I must check out SS's desktop search because I feel like making that software super-stable though good QA testing and after many hrs of SS fixing it realizing that nobody freaken' uses it for anything! Its just too compelling! Anyone care to make a bug-report bot?
     

    Oh, no.  He got to you, didn't he?

     

    Which "he", SS?

    Honestly I am not in the least bit inclined to use SS's software simply because I don't know WTF its about, mainly caz I didn't follow about 1700 of the posts on this thread. I need a quick recap. I just have the distinct feeling that its completely useless and not in the least bit interesting. If its searching though my desktop I have this COOL tool that does things like regular expression matching in files... actually its GNU licensed... wait maybe an acronym...grep?



  • @MarcB said:

    Oh, and congrats for making it onto SourceForge.
     

    Spectate Swamp Desktop Search, Bug #1894605: "Cannot Locate Files"

     

    Awesome. 



  • @bstorer said:

    Better large font scrolling text example.
     

    but... but... that's... GASP SEQUENTIAL! aieeeeeee You should know by now that the only possible way to read text is to Randomize it, and Flash it up for 0.05 second Intervals.

    Worst. example. EvaR!

     

    </sarcasm></randomcapitalization>



  •  @bstorer said:

    DOT DOT DOT

    Comon guys!!!! Were almost at that 2000 mark! Just a few hundred thousand more posts and we can make it big!

    SS: Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to continue to blindly make your desktop search application which everyone seems to think is the biggest waste of time.

    Everyone else: You task (and you have no choice here) is to keep making fun of SS!

    Ready...

    GO!

    looks around for Master "Bates" Software expecting some scrutiny



  • @dlikhten said:

    Everyone else: You task (and you have no choice here) is to keep making fun of SS!

    Boy that spectateswamp sure is a card! He really loves lasagna!



  • @dlikhten said:

     @bstorer said:

    DOT DOT DOT

    Comon guys!!!! Were almost at that 2000 mark! Just a few hundred thousand more posts and we can make it big!

    SS: Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to continue to blindly make your desktop search application which everyone seems to think is the biggest waste of time.

    Everyone else: You task (and you have no choice here) is to keep making fun of SS!

    Ready...

    GO!

    looks around for Master "Bates" Software expecting some scrutiny

     

     

    frankly the beard makes fun of itself... with that and 'yellowhead yellowhead yellowhead' and 'data processing data data processing' i think all that we need to do is watch.. and occaisionally nudge towards more video..

     

    that was a hint, spectate. i want more video with lots more muttering and weirdness, they make my day! 



  • @CodeWhisperer said:

    It's going to be a long boring slog to post 2000.

    I was wrong, it wasn't long...  (or won't be, rather).

    -cw



  • @CodeWhisperer said:

    @CodeWhisperer said:

    It's going to be a long boring slog to post 2000.

    I was wrong, it wasn't long...  (or won't be, rather).

    -cw

     

     

    may i humbly suggets that post 3000 may be rather more tedious? i am prepared for multiple thread-bumps by SS, including tins of food and shears to cut off my internet so i dont have to face it or think about it! 



  • Swamp search sinks the Opposition.

    @CodeSimian said:

    In all seriousness, you are talking about a man who misses line numbers (in programming) so much, that he re-implemented them using labels.

     I hated it when they took away line numbers. So I put them back in. I think the guy that eliminated line numbers,  was behind Canada going Metric. More efficient. WhatEver. Efficiency doesn't matter. computers are so fast.


  • Battle of the Scrolling Screens.

    @bstorer said:

    Better large font scrolling text example.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9208042853406032110&hl=en 

     

    Video of any kind I like. A screen reshoot would be more clear. If you got close close. I haven't done a screen reshoot of Cam Studio yet. StorerSwamp don't let any of the JackA**es and their mean comments, keep you from making more. You'll just get better and better. Like I did.


  • Swamp search keeps you on top of your Data

    @jakkle said:

    frankly the beard makes fun of itself... with that and 'yellowhead yellowhead yellowhead' and 'data processing data data processing' i think all that we need to do is watch.. and occaisionally nudge towards more video..
    It was pretty weird being YellowHead. I started getting a strange urge to run Yellow lights while driving about my YellowHead riding. The Kids at Sangudo school cheered my speech and my YellowHead wildly. Lots of horn honking when people spotted YellowHead putting up Election Signage. I learned more in 2 weeks running for Federal politics than the rest of my life. Man they cheat at the forums. Too bad. Thats why I video them. The organizers (usually the chamber of commerce) are the ones that don't want my camera there. Not the candidates.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    I hated it when they took away line numbers. So I put them back in. I think the guy that eliminated line numbers,  was behind Canada going Metric. More efficient. WhatEver. Efficiency doesn't matter. computers are so fast.
     

    Even in the U.S., scientists use metric, idiot.  Or do you really think dividing by 12 (converting feet to inches) is easier than dividing by 100 (converting metres to centimetres), for example.

    Physicists and engineers have to deal with "nerdy" stuff like rounding errors, significant digits, precision of measurements, and using metric avoids a lot of problems.  The reason is because the common man uses a base-10 counting system, and metric uses multiples of 10 when converting between units.  In base 10, when you divide or multiply by 10, all you have to do is move the decimal point.  No rounding errors or loss of precision there.

    Of course, you might've picked up "geeky" shit like that if you'd paid any attention past Grade 9.

    (BTW, if you think engineers and physicists are useless, just ask yourself: WHO DESIGNED YOUR LAPTOP AND CAMCORDER, WHICH YOU CLEARLY LOVE MORE THAN LIFE ITSELF?)



  • @dlikhten said:

    Master "Bates" Software: I must say at this point you just make laugh!
     

    You just make laugh?

    @dlikhten said:

    You task (and you have no choice here) is

    You task?

    @dlikhten said:

    Comon guys!!!!

    What? Common? Come on?

    @dlikhten said:

    mainly caz I didn't

    More baby talk? WTF? Why don't you go back to the java forums and tell everyone how great you are?

    Jesus... if you are going to make fun of people, how about you learn to speak? All this baby talk and dumb shit cheerleading is rather annoying.



  • @SpectateSwamp said:

    It was pretty weird being YellowHead. I started getting a strange urge to run Yellow lights while driving about my YellowHead riding.
     

    YOU ARE NOT FUNNY.  People are laughing AT you, not WITH you.

    @SpectateSwamp said:

    The Kids at Sangudo school cheered my speech and my YellowHead wildly. Lots of horn honking when people spotted YellowHead putting up Election Signage. 

    How'd that election go for you, again?   They cheered for you because you were a mascot, a joke.   When it was time to vote, the COMMON MAN chose a real candidate.

     


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