Copying the Copyright



  • My coworker spotted this gem:

    http://darwinawards.com/slush/new/pending20071112-211531.html

    It's a reader submission, copied from a news site, and it ends with:

    "Copyright 2007 by Local10.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed."
     

    Triple WTF?
      1) Local10.com has webpages that can't be published or broadcast.
      2) Someone copied the webpage and posted it on darwin, copyright included. (yeah, it cites source, and it's probably fair use)
      3) Darwin isn't filtering its submissions for plagiarism.
     



  • Just the icing on the cake. To win a Darwin award, you have to do something which prevents you from being eligible for further reproduction.



  • @The Vicar said:

    Just the icing on the cake. To win a Darwin award, you have to do something which prevents you from being eligible for further reproduction.

    Which is why beer manufacturers should start lacing their beer with spermicide, small enough traces so occasional drinkers will not be affected, but enough to cause retards to quickly die out. If you really care make open source beer (forgot link, sorry).



  • @The Vicar said:

    Just the icing on the cake. To win a Darwin award, you have to do something which [b]prevents you from being eligible for further reproduction[/b].

    @TFA said:

    A man who allegedly was fleeing police was [b]attacked and [u]killed[/u][/b] by an alligator

    Did I miss something? 



  • @vt_mruhlin said:

    @The Vicar said:

    Just the icing on the cake. To win a Darwin award, you have to do something which [b]prevents you from being eligible for further reproduction[/b].

    @TFA said:

    A man who allegedly was fleeing police was [b]attacked and [u]killed[/u][/b] by an alligator

    Did I miss something? 

    @TFA said:

    If an alligator either digests or kills a person it's a state law through Florida Fish and Wildlife that it be destroyed

    I guess The Vicar just assumed he was digested, but not killed, since apparently they are mutually exclusive.



  • @Pap said:

    @vt_mruhlin said:

    @The Vicar said:

    Just the icing on the cake. To win a Darwin award, you have to do something which [b]prevents you from being eligible for further reproduction[/b].

    @TFA said:

    A man who allegedly was fleeing police was [b]attacked and [u]killed[/u][/b] by an alligator

    Did I miss something? 

    @TFA said:

    If an alligator either digests or kills a person it's a state law through Florida Fish and Wildlife that it be destroyed

    I guess The Vicar just assumed he was digested, but not killed, since apparently they are mutually exclusive.

    No, I'm making a pun about how copyrighted material is not supposed to be reproduced. If you read the fine print, the Darwin Awards are for people who prevent their own reproduction through stupidity. You don't have to be dead to win one, although generally the candidates who do not die probably wished they were dead at some point in the story -- I hope I don't have to draw you a picture.



  • @The Vicar said:

    No, I'm making a pun about how copyrighted material is not supposed to be reproduced. If you read the fine print, the Darwin Awards are for people who prevent their own reproduction through stupidity. You don't have to be dead to win one, although generally the candidates who do not die probably wished they were dead at some point in the story -- I hope I don't have to draw you a picture.

    When mummy photocopier and daddy document love each other very much... 



  • @Otterdam said:

    @The Vicar said:

    No, I'm making a pun about how copyrighted material is not supposed to be reproduced. If you read the fine print, the Darwin Awards are for people who prevent their own reproduction through stupidity. You don't have to be dead to win one, although generally the candidates who do not die probably wished they were dead at some point in the story -- I hope I don't have to draw you a picture.

    When mummy photocopier and daddy document love each other very much... 

     

    lol.  daddy document.

    i'd imagine a daddy document would be a parternity test result printout.

     



  • @misguided said:

    @Otterdam said:

    @The Vicar said:

    No, I'm making a pun about how copyrighted material is not supposed to be reproduced. If you read the fine print, the Darwin Awards are for people who prevent their own reproduction through stupidity. You don't have to be dead to win one, although generally the candidates who do not die probably wished they were dead at some point in the story -- I hope I don't have to draw you a picture.

    When mummy photocopier and daddy document love each other very much... 

     

    lol.  daddy document.

    i'd imagine a daddy document would be a parternity test result printout.

     

    Oh no... I hope this doesn't start another a=a frenzy.

    What have you done!? 



  • @The Vicar said:

    Just the icing on the cake. To win a Darwin award, you have to do something which prevents you from being eligible for further reproduction.

    Too bad the Awards aren't restricted to those who've NEVER reproduced before becoming Darwin recipients. If the whole point is to eliminate yourself from the genepool to prevent your stupidity gene from propagating, it should be done BEFORE you have ANY offspring. It's all fine if you off yourself via stupid stunts, but if you've already got Stupid Jr. running around, you haven't improved things.

    Genetically speaking, once you've got offspring, you're dead weight and should go line up at the Soylent plant's receive dock.
     



  • @MarcB said:

    @The Vicar said:

    Just the icing on the cake. To win a Darwin award, you have to do something which prevents you from being eligible for further reproduction.

    Too bad the Awards aren't restricted to those who've NEVER reproduced before becoming Darwin recipients. If the whole point is to eliminate yourself from the genepool to prevent your stupidity gene from propagating, it should be done BEFORE you have ANY offspring. It's all fine if you off yourself via stupid stunts, but if you've already got Stupid Jr. running around, you haven't improved things.

    Genetically speaking, once you've got offspring, you're dead weight and should go line up at the Soylent plant's receive dock.

    No. Even if you've reproduced you can still reproduce MORE. And any children already had should fall into one of two groups:

    * Have the stupid gene and may well win an award themselves

    * Have better genes from the other parent

    Even after reproductive age (and this only applies to women, who make up a minority of winners in any case), one can still consider cultural influences.

    More pragmatically, checking whether awardees have reproduced or not and can reproduce or not would just be too much trouble. Frozen eggs or sperm are ignored too. You win if after it you are unable to reproduce - ie death or sterility. Whether injury to genitals that prevents natural reproduction, but you are still able to reproduce with the assistance of medical technology, counts, I don't know. Lifestyle choices do NOT count - the Catholic priesthood cannot win a Darwin Award.



  • @Lingerance said:

    Which is why beer manufacturers should start lacing their beer with spermicide, small enough traces so occasional drinkers will not be affected, but enough to cause retards to quickly die out.

    sure, beer manufacturers will surely recognize the value of evolution selecting for people who drink LESS beer.



  • @lanzz said:

    @Lingerance said:
    Which is why beer manufacturers should start lacing their beer with spermicide, small enough traces so occasional drinkers will not be affected, but enough to cause retards to quickly die out.

    sure, beer manufacturers will surely recognize the value of evolution selecting for people who drink LESS beer.

    Also, it would spoil the taste. 



  • @m0ffx said:

    Lifestyle choices do NOT count - the Catholic priesthood cannot win a Darwin Award.

    lol, 

    Just as well too, otherwise given the repeated stupidity perpetrated by the catholic church they would just win every year.



  • @element[0] said:

    lol, 

    Just as well too, otherwise given the repeated stupidity perpetrated by the catholic church they would just win every year.

    You insensitive prick.  Let's just go ahead and ignore the great efforts that the Catholic church has put forth, probably in your own neighborhood.  Furthermore, let's call them stupid.  Furthermore, let's go ahead and say that everything they do is stupid.

    The point was made about Catholic priests, not the Catholic church.  The Catholic church has done nothing to remove themselves from the gene pool.

    Every day, the Church is winning (and growing) hearts.  What are you doing?  You want to argue the existence of God, we had a thread for that.  Don't go around saying things are stupid when you know nothing of them.  You FAIL

    I'm not even Catholic, I just have great respect for the Church. 



  • @belgariontheking said:

    @element[0] said:

    lol, 

    Just as well too, otherwise given the repeated stupidity perpetrated by the catholic church they would just win every year.

    You insensitive prick.  Let's just go ahead and ignore the great efforts that the Catholic church has put forth, probably in your own neighborhood.  Furthermore, let's call them stupid.  Furthermore, let's go ahead and say that everything they do is stupid.

    The point was made about Catholic priests, not the Catholic church.  The Catholic church has done nothing to remove themselves from the gene pool.

    Every day, the Church is winning (and growing) hearts.  What are you doing?  You want to argue the existence of God, we had a thread for that.  Don't go around saying things are stupid when you know nothing of them.  You FAIL

    I'm not even Catholic, I just have great respect for the Church. 

    Go learn about the impact of the Catholic Church's absolute opposition to condoms on Africa's AIDS epidemic. Then come back here with your "great respect for the Church".

    (And note that to REALLY learn about something is going to take a decent amount University-level study. So come back in a month or so.)


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @m0ffx said:

    @belgariontheking said:
    @element[0] said:

    lol, 

    Just as well too, otherwise given the repeated stupidity perpetrated by the catholic church they would just win every year.

    You insensitive prick.  Let's just go ahead and ignore the great efforts that the Catholic church has put forth, probably in your own neighborhood.  Furthermore, let's call them stupid.  Furthermore, let's go ahead and say that everything they do is stupid.

    The point was made about Catholic priests, not the Catholic church.  The Catholic church has done nothing to remove themselves from the gene pool.

    Every day, the Church is winning (and growing) hearts.  What are you doing?  You want to argue the existence of God, we had a thread for that.  Don't go around saying things are stupid when you know nothing of them.  You FAIL

    I'm not even Catholic, I just have great respect for the Church. 

    Go learn about the impact of the Catholic Church's absolute opposition to condoms on Africa's AIDS epidemic. Then come back here with your "great respect for the Church".

    (And note that to REALLY learn about something is going to take a decent amount University-level study. So come back in a month or so.)

    Didn't you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases ?



  • @m0ffx said:

    Go learn about the impact of the Catholic Church's absolute opposition to condoms on Africa's AIDS epidemic. Then come back here with your "great respect for the Church".

    (And note that to REALLY learn about something is going to take a decent amount University-level study. So come back in a month or so.)

    How about I've taken a decent amount of study at the university level.  I minored in Comparative Religion in college.  One of the classes was nothing but Catholic Church.

    How about the millions of people who were able to eat last night because of relief efforts by the Catholic Church.

    How about tens of thousands of youth groups across the world, giving teens something to be excited about.

    How about kids growing up with a sense of morality.

    How about a 2000 year old organization that has survived longer and is larger than any existing nation.

    The priests not marrying is an issue, and one that I believe will be dealt with in our lifetime.  This issue leads directly to the mentioned catholic priest sex abuse.  I believe that nothing could teach one how to lead a church than learning how to lead a family.  Furthermore, the "actions" are ones that has been condemned by the Church worldwide, no matter what you saw on South Park.

    The opposition to condoms, seriously, you can't say that the entire church is bunk because of that.  I don't know much about this issue, but it seems pretty simple.  Church opposes condoms.  Condoms prevent AIDS.  Lots of Catholics in Africa.  Person A acquired HIV previous to marrying person B.  I should point out that the primary way for person A to acquire AIDS before marriage (sex outside of matrimony) is condemned by the Church too.  Many other ways, but that's the primary way.

    Enough for ya?
     



  • @belgariontheking said:

    The priests not marrying is an issue, and one that I believe will be dealt with in our lifetime.  This issue leads directly to the mentioned catholic priest sex abuse.  I believe that nothing could teach one how to lead a church than learning how to lead a family.  Furthermore, the "actions" are ones that has been condemned by the Church worldwide, no matter what you saw on South Park.


    Maybe you can tell me tell me if what I've been telling people for a while is true.

    I heard that many years ago, catholic priests were allowed to marry, and on top of that, unmarried priests were not allowed to work specifically with children.  This seems like a very good policy, in my opinion.  Celibacy as a sacrifice for God became popular, however, with many members of the church, and eventually became an official rule.  The church has before stepped back from some official stances, like limbo for babies, maybe its time to admit that this change was a bad idea in the long run.


     



  • @Jetts said:

    @belgariontheking said:

    The priests not marrying is an issue, and one that I believe will be dealt with in our lifetime.  This issue leads directly to the mentioned catholic priest sex abuse.  I believe that nothing could teach one how to lead a church than learning how to lead a family.  Furthermore, the "actions" are ones that has been condemned by the Church worldwide, no matter what you saw on South Park.

    Maybe you can tell me tell me if what I've been telling people for a while is true.

    I heard that many years ago, catholic priests were allowed to marry, and on top of that, unmarried priests were not allowed to work specifically with children.  This seems like a very good policy, in my opinion.  Celibacy as a sacrifice for God became popular, however, with many members of the church, and eventually became an official rule.  The church has before stepped back from some official stances, like limbo for babies, maybe its time to admit that this change was a bad idea in the long run.

    I don't know the exact answer to your question.  My studies didn't extend that far.  I do know that married priesthood is one of Luther's 95 theses that he posted on the door to the Church.  Each one of those theses has been dealt with in their own right.  The only one that hasn't been outright adopted is married priesthood. 

    I put a query into a friend of mine about the exact answer to your question.  My feelings are that it's probably true.  I'm fairly sure that priests were allowed to marry a long time ago.

    There are exceptions today about married priesthood.  For instance, if you're married and ordained in another denomination, you're allowed to keep your wife and kids.  Not sure about if you're a married Catholic who becomes ordained.  It would seem silly to not allow that too.



  • @belgariontheking said:

    How about kids growing up with a sense of morality.

    Abstinence is not the same as morality. Shame is not the same as morality.

    @belgariontheking said:

    How about a 2000 year old organization that has survived longer and is larger than any existing nation.

    A number of major religions are that old or older. Why does that make a religion good?



  • @belgariontheking said:

    @element[0] said:

    lol, 

    Just as well too, otherwise given the repeated stupidity perpetrated by the catholic church they would just win every year.

    You insensitive prick.  Let's just go ahead and ignore the great efforts that the Catholic church has put forth, probably in your own neighborhood.  Furthermore, let's call them stupid.  Furthermore, let's go ahead and say that everything they do is stupid.

    The point was made about Catholic priests, not the Catholic church.  The Catholic church has done nothing to remove themselves from the gene pool.

    Every day, the Church is winning (and growing) hearts.  What are you doing?  You want to argue the existence of God, we had a thread for that.  Don't go around saying things are stupid when you know nothing of them.  You FAIL

    I'm not even Catholic, I just have great respect for the Church. 

    Get off my case you prick, you know absolutely nothing of my experience with the catholic church.  I find the catholic church's discrimination against homosexuals and women incredibly offensive as well as their constant interference in federal politics which seeks to enforce their own misguided "morals" onto me.  There are also the constant lies told about the effectiveness of condoms which costs thousands of lives, i know they do some good stuff too but they also do a whole lot of bad, very destructive things as well which could easily be avoided by a change in their completely abhorrent world view.  And don't even get me started on protecting known paedophiles.  Maybe do some research and think of things from someone else's point of view(maybe one of the groups the catholic church actively discriminates against) before you shoot your mouth off like a dickhead.

     

    P.S. if the catholic church had it's way it would probably ban the Belgariad(which i'm assuming your screen name is a reference to) series as promoting witch craft just as they do in catholic schools with harry potter

     




  • @belgariontheking said:


    How about I've taken a decent amount of study at the university level.  I minored in Comparative Religion in college.  One of the classes was nothing but Catholic Church.

    I spent six years at a christian school 

    @belgariontheking said:


    How about the millions of people who were able to eat last night because of relief efforts by the Catholic Church.

    Think about the thousands of native cultures which have been destroyed at the hands of missionaries 

    @belgariontheking said:

     

    How about tens of thousands of youth groups across the world, giving teens something to be excited about.

    Excited about the church?  Sounds like you had some pretty boring teen years.  I don't know where you grew up but man it must have been boring

    (i have actually attended christian youth groups on several occasions and i wouldn't recommend it) 

    @belgariontheking said:

      

    How about kids growing up with a sense of morality.

    You can be a nice person and not christian you arrogant prick, and what are the morals you're talking about, the hating homosexuals and athiests one, or the tampering with little kids and covering it up ones? 

     @belgariontheking said:

      

    How about a 2000 year old organization that has survived longer and is larger than any existing nation.

    I think you'll find china is older

     @belgariontheking said:

     

    The priests not marrying is an issue, and one that I believe will be dealt with in our lifetime.  This issue leads directly to the mentioned catholic priest sex abuse.  I believe that nothing could teach one how to lead a church than learning how to lead a family.  Furthermore, the "actions" are ones that has been condemned by the Church worldwide, no matter what you saw on South Park.

    Only after the pubilic found out, they knew for a lot longer 

     

     @belgariontheking said:

      

    The opposition to condoms, seriously, you can't say that the entire church is bunk because of that.  I don't know much about this issue, but it seems pretty simple.  Church opposes condoms.  Condoms prevent AIDS.  Lots of Catholics in Africa.  Person A acquired HIV previous to marrying person B.  I should point out that the primary way for person A to acquire AIDS before marriage (sex outside of matrimony) is condemned by the Church too.  Many other ways, but that's the primary way.

    Enough for ya?
     

    trying to force your own irrational superstitions on people in direct contradiction to all current scientific evidence issn't a very cool thing to do

     

    Enough for ya?



  • TRWTF is that this post about copyright turned into a post about religion,

    i do not apologise for what i said in my previous posts but i do apologise for my original post which was obvious flame bait. 

    You know sometimes you do it just to see who gets narky.

    we could spend hours dicussing all the WTFs in religion but everyones been doing that for thousands of years and it's gotten nowhere so it's pointless and this isn't really the appropriate forum.

    So my bad, i won't post any additional comments on this thread, feel free to have the last word.



  • Wow, I had a post completely written, but didn't post it.  When I came back an hour later to read and post it, I just said "I don't care."


    P.S.  Good catch on the book reference.



  • yeah i thought the belgariad was a pretty good series, it was a while ago now that i read it but it was one of those fantasy series that i just couldn't put down, a bit like the "wheel of time" but i got to the end before he'd written the end of the series, although that was a while ago now he might have finished the last few books



  • Wow, a happy ending.  I'm glad you apologized because I was a little disappointed to see an established member skipping a joke (about priests) to go straight for a troll (about religion in general).



  • @element[0] said:


     @belgariontheking said:

      

    How about a 2000 year old organization that has survived longer and is larger than any existing nation.

    I think you'll find china is older

    Other notables are Japan (nominally 660 BC), Ethiopia (1000 BC) and Egypt (somewhere around 3000 BC). Also, India can trace its history back to the same era as Egypt.

    The population of China is 1.3bn. The members of the Catholic church number 1.1bn. Islam is hard to count, but is generally placed at 1.2-1.3bn. 



  • @element[0] said:

    yeah i thought the belgariad was a pretty good series, it was a while ago now that i read it but it was one of those fantasy series that i just couldn't put down, a bit like the "wheel of time" but i got to the end before he'd written the end of the series, although that was a while ago now he might have finished the last few books

    About the belgariad being a good series.  Never read Wheel of time.  Hear good things though.

    Definitely a good series, but it's hard to read a second time (unlike LotR) because it's just so LOOOONG (4000+ pages vs ~1200 pages).  This is why I've read the belgariad/malloreon/etc. once while reading LotR three times.  I always said I'd marry a girl named Ce'Nedra if I ever found one.  Just have to get my wife to change her name.

    In my post about the age of nations and religions, I was thinking in my mind "governments" and said "nations."  AFAIK, No nation has a government older than, say, 500 years.  China, Japan, India, etc. can stretch their lineage back, but the current form of government is not as old as the lineage.  Honest mistake, eh?

    About the apology:  As long as you accept that the first post was flamebait, we can have our differences.  I guess I'm the one that bit on it. 



  • @belgariontheking said:

    In my post about the age of nations and religions, I was thinking in my mind "governments" and said "nations."  AFAIK, No nation has a government older than, say, 500 years.  China, Japan, India, etc. can stretch their lineage back, but the current form of government is not as old as the lineage.  Honest mistake, eh?

    Ah, by that measure the Catholic Church isn't that old either - they've had two major restructurings, half a dozen minor ones, a couple of wars, and one Great Schism. While the current church can trace its lineage back that far, it's present structure and system of governance is about as old as those governments - the major events of the Mediaeval period are the origin of the whole lot. Depending on precise definitions, it's either the same age as the European governments founded around the 16th century, or the ones founded around the 12th century.



  • @belgariontheking said:

    @element[0] said:

    yeah i thought the belgariad was a pretty good series, it was a while ago now that i read it but it was one of those fantasy series that i just couldn't put down, a bit like the "wheel of time" but i got to the end before he'd written the end of the series, although that was a while ago now he might have finished the last few books

    About the belgariad being a good series.  Never read Wheel of time.  Hear good things though.

    Definitely a good series, but it's hard to read a second time (unlike LotR) because it's just so LOOOONG (4000+ pages vs ~1200 pages).  This is why I've read the belgariad/malloreon/etc. once while reading LotR three times.  I always said I'd marry a girl named Ce'Nedra if I ever found one.  Just have to get my wife to change her name.

    In my post about the age of nations and religions, I was thinking in my mind "governments" and said "nations."  AFAIK, No nation has a government older than, say, 500 years.  China, Japan, India, etc. can stretch their lineage back, but the current form of government is not as old as the lineage.  Honest mistake, eh?

    About the apology:  As long as you accept that the first post was flamebait, we can have our differences.  I guess I'm the one that bit on it. 

     

    I always knew that Ce'Nedra was hot, but I think that given a choice, I'd have gone for Velvet, she seemed alot cooler :) Out of curiosity, did you ever read any of the series he wrote after the Malloreon? I read the Rendemption of Althalus, but thought it was a bit dull. It was a while back but for some reason I remember never really feeling like the main character could ever actually fail; like everything was stacked in his favour and it was a foregone conclusion that he'd win and the world would be saved and everyone would be happy ever after. Sort of spoiled the whole story for me. Are any of his other new things worth reading?

    As for the OP, I notice the thing is marked as "pending", maybe all submissions are automatically posted after some swear word checking, so no-one noticed yet? 


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Devi said:

     

    I always knew that Ce'Nedra was hot, but I think that given a choice, I'd have gone for Velvet, she seemed alot cooler :) Out of curiosity, did you ever read any of the series he wrote after the Malloreon? I read the Rendemption of Althalus, but thought it was a bit dull. It was a while back but for some reason I remember never really feeling like the main character could ever actually fail; like everything was stacked in his favour and it was a foregone conclusion that he'd win and the world would be saved and everyone would be happy ever after. Sort of spoiled the whole story for me. Are any of his other new things worth reading?

    Are you aware of the 'autobiographies' he wrote for Belgarath and Polgara?

    Or the Sparhawk series (The Elenium and The Tamuli)

    I've read all those, and would possibly reccommend them to those who liked the Belgariad, not read The Dreamers so couldn't comment.



  • @belgariontheking said:

    In my post about the age of nations and religions, I was thinking in my
    mind "governments" and said "nations."  AFAIK, No nation has a
    government older than, say, 500 years.  China, Japan, India, etc. can
    stretch their lineage back, but the current form of government is not
    as old as the lineage.  Honest mistake, eh?

     Granted, probably knew that in the back of my mind but was in pissy arsehole mode
     

    @belgariontheking said:

    About the apology:  As long as yeptou acc that the first post was flamebait, we can have our differences.  I guess I'm the one that bit on it. 

    Done, again apologies for that, you know when you're having a shitty day and you can't resist a bit of a troll.  Just hope i haven't made myself seem like a TunnelRat/CPound, this is one of the few forums i actually like/respect the opinions of its members(with a few obvious exclusions) ;-)



  • @PJH said:

    not read The Dreamers so couldn't comment.

    Don't bother. Eddings jumped the shark in the second book. The last two are dire. 



  • @asuffield said:

    @PJH said:

    not read The Dreamers so couldn't comment.

    Don't bother. Eddings jumped the shark in the second book. The last two are dire. 

     

    Yeah? That's a pity. I did read one of the other trilogies (the Elenium I think) and thought it was okay, though nothing to write home about. The Belgarath and Polgara books were fun, though they did kind of retread the same ground as each other in places. It might be an unfair thing to say, but my enjoyment of his books started to drop as soon as he started acknowledging his wife's contribution to the work, though all things considered that might just be coincidence. He wouldn't be the first author who's written something awesome at the beginning of his career and then failed to recapture that brilliance in their later works.


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