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  • @dhromed said:

    There is no such thing as "Medical Science".

    The scientific method is based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning, the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.

    Observing the effects of a drug in falsifiable experiments is science.

    Science does not concern the why - that is the subject of religion.



  • @Pap said:

    Agree. They still don't know how Tylenol (acetaminophen) works. No joke.

    To that I say, "WHO CARES?? JUST GIMME THE STUFF!!"

    Sure they do.  It works pretty well, thanks. 



  • @dhromed said:

    There is no such thing as "Medical Science".

    There is, we just don't bother doing it because there's no money in it. 



  • @JvdL said:

    @dhromed said:

    There is no such thing as "Medical Science".

    The scientific method is based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning, the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.

    Observing the effects of a drug in falsifiable experiments is science.

    Science does not concern the why - that is the subject of religion.

    Science does not concern the reason & the why, but it had damn well concern itself with the most exact and precise how that it can attain. In medicine, we seem to merely have a shadow of that how.

    I don't dispute the scientific method, naturally. But big-S Science only begins at the method, and medicine, for whatever reason, is largely guesswork and not knowing how things will turn out. Medicine is a big misty area in which nobody really knows for certain
    what would happen if you do X to person Y in situation Z.



  • @dhromed said:

    Big-S Science only begins at the method, and medicine, for whatever
    reason, is largely guesswork and not knowing how things will turn out.

    Big-$ science? How about four billion dollars worth of guesswork that nobody knows how it will turn out.

    As Richard Feynman put it: If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand it at all.



  • @JvdL said:

    @dhromed said:

    Big-S Science only begins at the method, and medicine, for whatever
    reason, is largely guesswork and not knowing how things will turn out.

    Big-$ science? How about four billion dollars worth of guesswork that nobody knows how it will turn out.

    As Richard Feynman put it: If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand it at all.

     

    If you know how it'll turn out, why bother doing it? 



  • @asuffield said:

    @dhromed said:

    There is no such thing as "Medical Science".

    There is, we just don't bother doing it because there's no money in it. 

    The United Citizens of America spend roughly per year:

    600 billion dollars on invading small countries,
    650 billion on information technology,
    1.4 trillion on energy...

    ...and a whopping 1.8 trillion dollars on health care.



  • @PeriSoft said:

    @JvdL said:
    @dhromed said:

    Big-S Science only begins at the method, and medicine, for whatever
    reason, is largely guesswork and not knowing how things will turn out.

    Big-$ science? How about four billion dollars worth of guesswork that nobody knows how it will turn out.

    As Richard Feynman put it: If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand it at all.

    If you know how it'll turn out, why bother doing it? 

    Science is about finding out how things work, with a goal of making useful predictions about them.

    Engineering is about doing things and knowing how they will turn out. Nobody builds a bridge to find out if it'll stay up, they build it after having made damn sure that it's going to stay up. 



  • @JvdL said:

    @dhromed said:

    Big-S Science only begins at the method, and medicine, for whatever
    reason, is largely guesswork and not knowing how things will turn out.

    Big-$ science? How about four billion dollars worth of guesswork that nobody knows how it will turn out.

    My bad,

    Capital-S science.

    And that  LHC, yes, goddamnit that's one big wad of cash in a circle. I'm somewhat amazed, but not unhappy, it actually got funding.

    @JvdL said:

    @asuffield said:

    There is, we just don't bother doing it because there's no money in it. 

    The United Citizens of America spend roughly per year:

    600 billion dollars on invading small countries,
    650 billion on information technology,
    1.4 trillion on energy...

    ...and a whopping 1.8 trillion dollars on health care.

    Which means what?

     



  • @JvdL said:

    @asuffield said:

    @dhromed said:

    There is no such thing as "Medical Science".

    There is, we just don't bother doing it because there's no money in it. 

    The United Citizens of America spend roughly per year:

    600 billion dollars on invading small countries,
    650 billion on information technology,
    1.4 trillion on energy...

    ...and a whopping 1.8 trillion dollars on health care.

    Health care != medical science. 



  • @asuffield said:

    @JvdL said:
    @asuffield said:

    @dhromed said:

    There is no such thing as "Medical Science".

    There is, we just don't bother doing it because there's no money in it. 

    The United Citizens of America spend roughly per year:

    600 billion dollars on invading small countries,
    650 billion on information technology,
    1.4 trillion on energy...

    ...and a whopping 1.8 trillion dollars on health care.

    Health care != medical science. 

    Follow the money.

    Science in is funded by companies and government. Health care companies, the world's #1 industry, are more likely to fund medical research than, say, Gary the amazing frame IT professor. Government spends more or less what makes voters tick. Some people vote with their wallet, some with their heart (not many with their brains). Health usually pops up in polls as the #1 thing they care about. The above statistic shows it's also their #1 expenditure. So funding medical science appeals to both types of voters.

    More statistics: the total number of degrees (PhD) earned all science and engineering per year in US is below 25,000 and dropping. Medical degrees top 35,000 and are rising.
     


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