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Moving Firefox to a faster 4-week release cycle – Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog
Building and releasing a browser is complicated and involves many players. To optimize the process, and make it more reliable for all users, over the years we’ve developed a phased ...
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@El_Heffe Trying to out-Chrome Chrome. WCGW.
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@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
Soon there will be two Chromes
That seems like fewer Chromes than we have now.
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@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@loopback0 said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
That seems like fewer Chromes than we have now.
E_DOES_NOT_COMPUTE
Opera is Chrome, Edge is Chrome, Vivaldi and all the other special browsers with like 7 users each are Chrome. Many Chromes.
(For this purpose Chrome == Chromium)
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@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@loopback0 I was under impression that Edge will be closer to Chrome than to Chromium?
You really thing Microsoft will allow Google that close to the internals of their browser?
Well obviously they will because chromium, but integrating with actual chrome type code? You know the stuff Google doesn't put in the open source chromium repo?
If they were willing to Rename Edge to Chrome I'm sure Google would be happy to accept stacks of cash from Microsoft to bundle their browser.... beyond that.... yeah it'll just be yet another skin on top of Chromium.
And if i'm wrong i'll eat @abarker's hat.
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@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
closer to
@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
[the] Edge
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@levicki Downboated for that.
(You’re used to it, but I don’t usually downvote you)
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@Vixen said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
And if i'm wrong i'll eat @abarker's hat.
Hey! Keep my hats out of this!
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@abarker said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@Vixen said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
And if i'm wrong i'll eat @abarker's hat.
Hey! Keep my hats out of this!
Eeh. don't worry about it. I'm not going to lose the bet, and even if I do, I'll eat like your third best Sunday hat.
you know the one your aunt gave you that you hate, but can't come up with an excuse to throw away.
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@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@levicki Downboated for that.
Let me return a favor. Btw, I stand by what I said -- Linkin Park is emo-rock trash.
The "my music > your music" thread is
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@loopback0 said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@El_Heffe Trying to out-Chrome Chrome. WCGW.
And yet somehow they're all inferior to Minecraft, which has a new snapshot every week.
Look, if even the shittiest Java app in the world can deliver a release every week, why can't you chromium do the same?
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@loopback0 said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@loopback0 said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
That seems like fewer Chromes than we have now.
E_DOES_NOT_COMPUTE
Opera is Chrome, Edge is Chrome, Vivaldi and all the other special browsers with like 7 users each are Chrome. Many Chromes.
(For this purpose Chrome == Chromium)
Guild Wars 2 is also Chrome
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@ben_lubar VS Code is Chrome, for some reason.
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@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@loopback0 said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@El_Heffe Trying to out-Chrome Chrome. WCGW.
And yet somehow they're all inferior to Minecraft, which has a new snapshot every week.
Look, if even the shittiest Java app in the world can deliver a release every week, why can't you chromium do the same?
Doesn't firefox have nightlies?
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I dunno who came up with this fixed release schedule brainworm but said person needs a cluebat to the reproductive organs, along with everyone blindly following it. Release shit WHEN NEEDED and WHEN READY, not releasing for the sake of releasing shit every n amount of days!
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@Atazhaia said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
I dunno who came up with this fixed release schedule brainworm but said person needs a cluebat to the reproductive organs, along with everyone blindly following it. Release shit WHEN NEEDED and WHEN READY, not releasing for the sake of releasing shit every n amount of days!
Wow, you're seriously behind the times. I think you need the Kool-Aid directly infused into your veins to have any chance to catch up with the latest fads.
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@topspin :deathstare:
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@loopback0 said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@loopback0 said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
That seems like fewer Chromes than we have now.
E_DOES_NOT_COMPUTE
Opera is Chrome, Edge is Chrome, Vivaldi and all the other special browsers with like 7 users each are Chrome. Many Chromes.
(For this purpose Chrome == Chromium)
Look carefully at the default user agent strings: all browsers are Mozilla (Whattheyreallyare).
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@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@Atazhaia said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
I dunno who came up with this fixed release schedule brainworm but said person needs a cluebat to the reproductive organs, along with everyone blindly following it. Release shit WHEN NEEDED and WHEN READY, not releasing for the sake of releasing shit every n amount of days!
Wow, you're seriously behind the times. I think you need the Kool-Aid directly infused into your veins to have any chance to catch up with the latest fads.
Nah, people used to do fixed release date all the time. It's only you silly software industry who insists that your product will be updated whenever you feel like it.
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@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@Atazhaia said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
I dunno who came up with this fixed release schedule brainworm but said person needs a cluebat to the reproductive organs, along with everyone blindly following it. Release shit WHEN NEEDED and WHEN READY, not releasing for the sake of releasing shit every n amount of days!
Wow, you're seriously behind the times. I think you need the Kool-Aid directly infused into your veins to have any chance to catch up with the latest fads.
Nah, people used to do fixed release date all the time. It's only you silly software industry who insists that your product will be updated whenever you feel like it.
I never bought a car that needed a first day patch.
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@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@Atazhaia said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
I dunno who came up with this fixed release schedule brainworm but said person needs a cluebat to the reproductive organs, along with everyone blindly following it. Release shit WHEN NEEDED and WHEN READY, not releasing for the sake of releasing shit every n amount of days!
Wow, you're seriously behind the times. I think you need the Kool-Aid directly infused into your veins to have any chance to catch up with the latest fads.
Nah, people used to do fixed release date all the time. It's only you silly software industry who insists that your product will be updated whenever you feel like it.
I never bought a car that needed a first day patch.
Early car models have more design and systematic issues that later models. And once you start tuning a car, it becomes delicate and easy to have issues.
It's always funny when people claim that cars are like something with magically less bugs than software, because that's simply not true. If users can get around getting used to quirks of their car, why can't you do the same for softwares? Oh wait, typical users does get used to inconveniences, it's only you snowflakes who complain about every tiniest details
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@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@Atazhaia said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
I dunno who came up with this fixed release schedule brainworm but said person needs a cluebat to the reproductive organs, along with everyone blindly following it. Release shit WHEN NEEDED and WHEN READY, not releasing for the sake of releasing shit every n amount of days!
Wow, you're seriously behind the times. I think you need the Kool-Aid directly infused into your veins to have any chance to catch up with the latest fads.
Nah, people used to do fixed release date all the time. It's only you silly software industry who insists that your product will be updated whenever you feel like it.
I never bought a car that needed a first day patch.
Early car models have more design and systematic issues that later models. And once you start tuning a car, it becomes delicate and easy to have issues.
It's always funny when people claim that cars are like something with magically less bugs than software, because that's simply not true. If users can get around getting used to quirks of their car, why can't you do the same for softwares? Oh wait, typical users does get used to inconveniences, it's only you snowflakes who complain about every tiniest details
So after you bought that car and try to go for your first trip you have to wait 5 hours for updates to download? Didn't think so.
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@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@Atazhaia said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
I dunno who came up with this fixed release schedule brainworm but said person needs a cluebat to the reproductive organs, along with everyone blindly following it. Release shit WHEN NEEDED and WHEN READY, not releasing for the sake of releasing shit every n amount of days!
Wow, you're seriously behind the times. I think you need the Kool-Aid directly infused into your veins to have any chance to catch up with the latest fads.
Nah, people used to do fixed release date all the time. It's only you silly software industry who insists that your product will be updated whenever you feel like it.
I never bought a car that needed a first day patch.
Early car models have more design and systematic issues that later models. And once you start tuning a car, it becomes delicate and easy to have issues.
It's always funny when people claim that cars are like something with magically less bugs than software, because that's simply not true. If users can get around getting used to quirks of their car, why can't you do the same for softwares? Oh wait, typical users does get used to inconveniences, it's only you snowflakes who complain about every tiniest details
So after you bought that car and try to go for your first trip you have to wait 5 hours for updates to download? Didn't think so.
That's why for any sensible update procedure you can schedule the updates to be performed when you're sleeping or definitely aren't using the thing in question.
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@_P_ Good morning! We installed some updates last night, so just enter your disk encryption password and after we've finished up the update process (about 30 minutes) we're all good to go on the latest version.
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@PleegWat said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@_P_ Good morning! We installed some updates last night, so just enter your disk encryption password and after we've finished up the update process (about 30 minutes) we're all good to go on the latest version.
Guess what proportion of users actually use disk encryption? It's almost as if you're those 1% snowflakes who uses weird, non-orthodox setups and expect others to cater to you, or else they're
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@_P_ Private phone and work laptop. But the work laptop's set to do its updates at the strike of noon, meaning having to turn everything off in the middle of the work day to accommodate it.
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@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@Atazhaia said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
I dunno who came up with this fixed release schedule brainworm but said person needs a cluebat to the reproductive organs, along with everyone blindly following it. Release shit WHEN NEEDED and WHEN READY, not releasing for the sake of releasing shit every n amount of days!
Wow, you're seriously behind the times. I think you need the Kool-Aid directly infused into your veins to have any chance to catch up with the latest fads.
Nah, people used to do fixed release date all the time. It's only you silly software industry who insists that your product will be updated whenever you feel like it.
I never bought a car that needed a first day patch.
Early car models have more design and systematic issues that later models. And once you start tuning a car, it becomes delicate and easy to have issues.
It's always funny when people claim that cars are like something with magically less bugs than software, because that's simply not true. If users can get around getting used to quirks of their car, why can't you do the same for softwares? Oh wait, typical users does get used to inconveniences, it's only you snowflakes who complain about every tiniest details
So after you bought that car and try to go for your first trip you have to wait 5 hours for updates to download? Didn't think so.
That's why for any sensible update procedure you can schedule the updates to be performed when you're sleeping or definitely aren't using the thing in question.
No one uses @error_bot at 3am CDT.
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@PleegWat said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@_P_ Private phone and work laptop. But the work laptop's set to do its updates at the strike of noon, meaning having to turn everything off in the middle of the work day to accommodate it.
Well, then that's the real issue. Either the config was
, or it can't be configured in the first place, which is a lack of feature.In any case, scheduled update or not, there are ways to not inconvenient the users. Not doing the established practices is
.
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@topspin After you bought that car, its already due for its inspection...
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@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
So after you bought that car and try to go for your first trip you have to wait 5 hours for updates to download? Didn't think so.
I don't think I've ever waited 5 hours for updates to download on anything.
Generally if I bought a car that required a software update I'd need to take it to the dealer and wait around for someone else to download the update.
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@loopback0 said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
So after you bought that car and try to go for your first trip you have to wait 5 hours for updates to download? Didn't think so.
I don't think I've ever waited 5 hours for updates to download on anything.
Every game I bought the last decade. (Which is like 3)
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@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@loopback0 said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
So after you bought that car and try to go for your first trip you have to wait 5 hours for updates to download? Didn't think so.
I don't think I've ever waited 5 hours for updates to download on anything.
Every game I bought the last decade. (Which is like 3)
Updates to every game you bought in the last decade or the initial download of every game you bought in the last decade?
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@loopback0 said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@loopback0 said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
So after you bought that car and try to go for your first trip you have to wait 5 hours for updates to download? Didn't think so.
I don't think I've ever waited 5 hours for updates to download on anything.
Every game I bought the last decade. (Which is like 3)
Updates to every game you bought in the last decade or the initial download of every game you bought in the last decade?
Yes, both.
(Game shipped on disc on release date -> install -> wait for updates)
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@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
Look, if even the shittiest Java app in the world can deliver a release every week, why can't you chromium do the same?
Because it takes almost that long to compile it? (seriously, on a fairly high powered system, it takes about 6 to 7 hours to build)
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@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
Guess what proportion of users actually use disk encryption?
100% of users with company laptops?
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@dcon said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
Guess what proportion of users actually use disk encryption?
100% of users with company laptops?
I bought a Surface Book 2 at retail and it came with BitLocker encryption enabled out-of-the-box.
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@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
(Game shipped on disc on release date -> install -> wait for updates)
Oh I remember that with Half-Life 2 and World of Warcraft but that was.... longer ago than a decade (and longer ago than I think I want to lookup).
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@dcon said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
Because it takes almost that long to compile it? (seriously, on a fairly high powered system, it takes about 6 to 7 hours to build)
Why does it take so… oh, it's probably in C++? That explains it.
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@dkf said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@dcon said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
Because it takes almost that long to compile it? (seriously, on a fairly high powered system, it takes about 6 to 7 hours to build)
Why does it take so… oh, it's probably in C++? That explains it.
No, it's in C. (the C++ interface is tacked on the side)
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@levicki but we already know you're a snowflake, no need to prove it again
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@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
Embedded car software is written by following strict MISRA guidelines.
Yeah. Just like no major IT company would ever grossly neglect security and get hacked as a result, right?
Have you read the technical analysis of the Toyota embedded software that was done when they had "unexpected acceleration" problems several years ago?
Or chatted with someone who does this for a living?
Or just read the multiple articles about how easy it is to hack connected cars?
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@Zerosquare said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
Embedded car software is written by following strict MISRA guidelines.
Yeah. Just like no major IT company would ever grossly neglect security and get hacked as a result, right?
Have you read the technical analysis of the Toyota embedded software that was done when they had "unexpected acceleration" problems several years ago?
Or chatted with someone who does this for a living?
Or just read the multiple articles about how easy it is to hack connected cars?
@levicki: IoT devices are
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also @levicki: embedded car softwares are designed and written by professional guidelines!Man, we really need a levicki vs levicki thread where it's nobody but him arguing with himself.
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@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
I hear that some people are also happy eating junk food instead of lamb roast. Guess why? It's because they don't know better
Do you mean they don't know roast lamb exists, or that they have had both, prefer junk food and are therefore Wrong
?Because either argument is nonsense
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@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@Jaloopa said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
I hear that some people are also happy eating junk food instead of lamb roast. Guess why? It's because they don't know better
Do you mean they don't know roast lamb exists, or that they have had both, prefer junk food and are therefore Wrong
?What's the difference? In both cases they obviously don't know better and if they do they don't care. If don't knowing things could be better or knowing but not caring enough to ask for a change is what you aspire to in life then I have nothing further to add except that I don't belong to that group and that such mentality is what lead to current USA political situation.
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@levicki said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
What's the difference? In both cases they obviously don't know better and if they do they don't care. If don't knowing things could be better or knowing but not caring enough to ask for a change is what you aspire to in life then I have nothing further to add except that I don't belong to that group and that such mentality is what lead to current USA political situation.
"What's the difference? They either don't know better, or they do and don't care. Either way, they don't care enough for a change.
If this is what you aspire to in life, then I have nothing further to add; except that I don't belong to this group; and that this sort of mentality is what has lead to the current political situation in the US."
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@Zecc said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
If this is what you aspire to in life, then I have nothing further to add; except that I don't belong to this group; and that this sort of mentality is what has lead to the current political situation in the US."
I have nothing further to add; but I'm going to keep talking; even though I have nothing to talk about; I'll keep this sentence going on forever if I have to.
Filed under: WTDWTF Filibuster
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I agree with whatever levicki just said.
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@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@_P_ said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@topspin said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
@Atazhaia said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
I dunno who came up with this fixed release schedule brainworm but said person needs a cluebat to the reproductive organs, along with everyone blindly following it. Release shit WHEN NEEDED and WHEN READY, not releasing for the sake of releasing shit every n amount of days!
Wow, you're seriously behind the times. I think you need the Kool-Aid directly infused into your veins to have any chance to catch up with the latest fads.
Nah, people used to do fixed release date all the time. It's only you silly software industry who insists that your product will be updated whenever you feel like it.
I never bought a car that needed a first day patch.
My truck came with missing maps, despite navigation being a feature. Wheee!!!!
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@Zerosquare said in Firefox - More Crap Faster!:
Have you read the technical analysis of the Toyota embedded software that was done when they had "unexpected acceleration" problems several years ago?
I totally forgot to read it myself. Links?
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@Tsaukpaetra Links? Chains:
