Firefox alienating its users
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From the 64.0 release notes:
Oh yes, I'm sure that's exactly what people who use Firefox are after.
At least it (claims to) only affect US users, but I'm not downloading it just yet.I've found myself delaying updates a lot more recently, though that's probably because I'm just more cautious of this stuff now. I always relent because of the other features, typically to the web developer section.
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In other news, Ubuntu now comes preinstalled with Candy Crush.
Seriously, has Mozilla forgotten who actually uses Firefox?
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@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
In other news, Ubuntu now comes preinstalled with Candy Crush.
Source? Quick google doesn't show anything.
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@Gąska sarcasm
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@kazitor reminds me of that one episode of Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, where they took part in some sort of competition with million dollar price, and won. The organizer gave them tree fiddy instead, and when they complained that he promised something else, he said he was being sarcastic then.
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@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
In other news, Ubuntu now comes preinstalled with Candy Crush.
Ubuntu wants to become a mainstream and commercial system, so they'd actually love a deal like that.
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@pie_flavor He's Polish. They take turns with us to be invaded by Germany, so of course he's already internalized their sense of humour.
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@remi said in Firefox alienating its users:
@pie_flavor He's Polish. They take turns with us to be invaded by Germany
At least only half of their flag is white.
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Apparently the Mr. Robot fiasco wasn't enough of a shitshow...
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@kazitor if it's opt-out, meh. As long as you can actually opt out, no big deal I suppose. It's not transparent but I've grown quite jaded about these things. They used to have more corporate funding once upon a time, I guess they need the money to keep the machine going.
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@topspin said in Firefox alienating its users:
@remi said in Firefox alienating its users:
@pie_flavor He's Polish. They take turns with us to be invaded by Germany
At least only half of their flag is white.
<purposefully
'ing>
Well, only a third of ours is.
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@sweaty_gammon AFAIK it's a fork of a very old version and you're not going to get the latest Quantum-derived improvements.
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> window.navigator.userAgent "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.9) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/4.1 Firefox/60.9 PaleMoon/28.2.2"6 versions behind is "very old"?
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@sweaty_gammon I remember reading that Pale Moon is basically "old Firefox". UI-wise, they are still XUL-driven (I don't personally care). The engine does not incorporate the latest features, etc. I don't know whether what they take from new Gecko releases is substantial or not. And the user agent is not too reliable anyway.
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@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
If by "lessons" you mean: "Just breathe in and relax. Oh, and ignore the surgical scar on your head you'll wake up to in about two hours!" then you're perfectly correct.
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@Rhywden Germans and dodgy medical experiments on non-Aryans. Name a more iconic duo.
(Italians and military incompetence, I can smell it coming already).
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@admiral_p said in Firefox alienating its users:
(Italians and military incompetence, I can smell it coming already).
(English and governmental incompetence.)
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@admiral_p I'm sure you've already heard the story of the team of Italian engineers in charge of developing a new armoured vehicle? When demonstrating to the top brass, they proudly claim that their design has "6 reverse gears, and a forward one". When asked why a forward gear, they answer "well, what if the enemy comes from behind us?"
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@dkf said in Firefox alienating its users:
@admiral_p said in Firefox alienating its users:
(Italians and military incompetence, I can smell it coming already).
(English and governmental incompetence.)
Doesn’t count, that applies everywhere.
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@sweaty_gammon
Hmm. I'm currently using Waterfox (based on v56). At the time when I made the switch Pale Moon was based on v52. I see it has been updated, but I don't think I'll bother just for whatever fixes are there. It doesn't have Quantum techno-magically backported. Waterfox, if compared to Quantum, does run like a dog (and multiprocess tabs don't entirely work for me), butI'll have mah addonzthere is only XULand that's a final.
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@Applied-Mediocrity I use Opera with the usual "fuck off with your javascript tracking nonsense" plugins.
A lot of people I know at work are using Palemoon who are security concious so that was the first thing that came to mind.
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@kazitor said in Firefox alienating its users:
Oh yes, I'm sure that's exactly what people who use Firefox are after.
Indeed.
From what I've read this recommends Extensions related to sites you visit often. You can turn it off in Options under Browsing/"Recommend extensions as you browse". In theory there's a curated Domain->Extension Recommendation list that your browser downloads and uses to do all the work locally, but I turned it off anyway.
I doubt Mozilla will stop here; they love these sorts of recommendation features and Pocket-style services. I wonder how much of their 5%-of-all-browsing userbase gets some use out of them.
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@kazitor said in Firefox alienating its users:
At least it (claims to) only affect US users, but I'm not downloading it just yet.
GDPR related?
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@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
In other news, Ubuntu now comes preinstalled with Candy Crush.
But it's so easy to uninstall it from the GUI
# sudo apt-get --purge remove candycrush
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@topspin said in Firefox alienating its users:
@dkf said in Firefox alienating its users:
(English and governmental incompetence.)
Doesn’t count, that applies everywhere.
Have you looked at British government competence lately?
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Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package ubuntu-desktop depends on candycrush, which is being removed. The following packages will be REMOVED: [big-long-list-of-everything] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1792 to remove and 0 not upgraded. After this operation, 9.4 GB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 🐤
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@admiral_p said in Firefox alienating its users:
@sweaty_gammon I remember reading that Pale Moon is basically "old Firefox".
Technically, this is sort of true. They forked Firefox several years ago. However, they have continued to develop Palemoon. It's just as "up to date" as Firefox, it just doesn't have all the useless crap that nobody wants.
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@TwelveBaud said in Firefox alienating its users:
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 🐤
YI prefer KDE anyway
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@TwelveBaud I'm probably
ing but does Ubuntu really come preinstalled with Candy Crush Saga, and is it really a dependency for ubuntu-desktop?
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Or maybe it's the other way around. If you install Candy Crush, you also get Ubuntu.
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@El_Heffe said in Firefox alienating its users:
Or maybe it's the other way around. If you install Candy Crush, you also get Ubuntu.
Well that explains the Ubuntu VM on my Win 10 Pro machine.
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@admiral_p Definitely
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@kazitor said in Firefox alienating its users:
From the 64.0 release notes:
"Alienating its users" has been Mozilla's core business model for a few years now.
Alternating with "What stupid crap can we add today".
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@TimeBandit everything seems plausible to me. The idea of Ubuntu preinstalling some game and actually making it very inconvenient to uninstall is something I could really envisage.
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@admiral_p Since Ubuntu is trying to be Windows, it's plausible
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@admiral_p said in Firefox alienating its users:
@TimeBandit everything seems plausible to me. The idea of Ubuntu preinstalling some game and actually making it very inconvenient to uninstall is something I could really envisage.
No-one makes games for Linux though
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@loopback0 there is Tuxracer, you know.
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@admiral_p Oh yeah. I think I played the Windows port of that.
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@kazitor said in Firefox alienating its users:
I've found myself delaying updates a lot more recently
That's why I use Debian, with Firefox ESR from the debian repo. If anyone can be trusted at all these days, it's the debian maintainers.
Oh, and by the way - the Debian version of Firefox now supports ALSA again, so you can remove the Lennartware safely ;)
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@loopback0 said in Firefox alienating its users:
No-one makes games for Linux though
Yeah, they only make games for toy-OS
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@Gurth
Oh poor Brits. "Constipatedinconstant gardener"? And Corbyn sits there as if he is, in fact, constipated. There's the problem - everyone's constipated! If the once mighty Empire is so bent on being laughingstock of the known world, perhaps getting a court jester could help... enliven movement, so to speak. Take a lesson from Vladimir Volfovich...
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@El_Heffe said in Firefox alienating its users:
@admiral_p said in Firefox alienating its users:
@sweaty_gammon I remember reading that Pale Moon is basically "old Firefox".
Technically, this is sort of true. They forked Firefox several years ago. However, they have continued to develop Palemoon. It's just as "up to date" as Firefox, it just doesn't have all the useless crap that nobody wants.
Palemoon is far behind current Firefox when it comes to web standards. They still don't have HTML5 date input working, and no plans for WebAssembly.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Firefox alienating its users:
> window.navigator.userAgent "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.9) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/4.1 Firefox/60.9 PaleMoon/28.2.2"6 versions behind is "very old"?
Six versions of Windows behind is XP, if memory serves.
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@TimeBandit said in Firefox alienating its users:
@admiral_p Since Ubuntu is trying to be Windows, it's plausible
A very bad version of Windows
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@Tsaukpaetra the release cycles are very different
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@kazitor said in Firefox alienating its users:
Oh yes, I'm sure that's exactly what people who use Firefox are after.
Of course Firefox users want privacy-invading ads blasted at them. That's the exact reason people originally stayed with Firefox over chrome, because ff was the only one with privacy extensions and adblock extensions. Oh, wait...
I'm sure I could dig up several posts of mine from everyone Mozilla cock-jammed one of these anti-features into Firefox that say "this is where it's heading" to which people would reply "no way, it's a innocent feature you're being paranoid". Now who is laughing, you gaggle of butt-wagons?
Fwiw I've been very happy with palemoon.
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@anonymous234 said in Firefox alienating its users:
@pie_flavor said in Firefox alienating its users:
In other news, Ubuntu now comes preinstalled with Candy Crush.Ubuntu wants to become a mainstream and commercial system, so they'd actually love a deal like that.
It would make it the year of the Linux desktop!
