Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?
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Microsoft is building a Chromium-powered web browser that will replace Edge on Windows 10
Microsoft is throwing in the towel with Edge and is building a new web browser for Windows 10, this time powered by Chromium.
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Ten bucks on "adding their own neo-ActiveX". Maybe something Java-ish this time.
Five bucks on baking in a version of Flash Player that is several versions out of date.If the Flash Player one is a hit, then 20 more bucks say that it can't be disabled.
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Saw this going around the sites last night, all of it sourced back to Windows Central. Not sure how much to believe there, but it hasn't even been a day.
Personally, dumping EdgeHTML for Chromium isn't going to make me want to use it. I've already got Chromish browsers I like. It might get a couple people to not install another browser on their new computer, but overall I doubt much will change in the market share department. We've got our one major and couple of minor platforms.
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I don't know how much this will even affect the market share. Other than a couple of tiny issues, which every engine runs into sooner or later, I didn't hear many complaints about Edge's HTML engine. Now, internally, yeah, that'll mean they won't have to deal with that as well, but 99.7% of the users don't give a shit about the rendering engine, they care about extensions and window chrome (
).While using WebKitBlinkIum, whatever it's called this week, will help with the former (if MS decided to go with the existing APIs that is), I doubt the latter will change in any meaningful way, which probably means I won't use it anyway, because I don't like it myself
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@Onyx said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
I didn't hear many complaints about Edge's HTML engine
People can't complain if they're not using it
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@Onyx said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
99.7% of the users don't give a shit about the rendering engine, they care about extensions and window chrome
I still have to support users who don't understand the difference between Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer. I don't dare even mention the phrase "rendering engine" around them.
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@TimeBandit said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@Onyx said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
I didn't hear many complaints about Edge's HTML engine
People can't complain if they're not using it
Since when?
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Oh great we are going to have a mono-culture of browser engines.
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@hungrier said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@TimeBandit said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@Onyx said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
I didn't hear many complaints about Edge's HTML engine
People can't complain if they're not using it
Since when?
See, and then people don't believe me I, for example, played some games I ranted for ages about afterwards just so I can shit on them properly instead of just shitting on them because I've been told they suck. Many people do just that instead.
And no, I didn't spend any money on those, I grabbed them when they were free on a promotion or they were just parts of a bundle I got for other stuff.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
Oh great we are going to have a mono-culture of browser engines.
Speak for yourself, I'll use browsh!
Ok, it's FF's engine, but still!
Ooooh, chunky!
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@mott555 said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@Onyx said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
99.7% of the users don't give a shit about the rendering engine, they care about extensions and window chrome
I still have to support users who don't understand the difference between Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer. I don't dare even mention the phrase "rendering engine" around them.
I hear people saying that they like at least V6 but honestly a modern 4-cylinder can be just fine for normal driving.
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@Onyx said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@sweaty_gammon said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
Oh great we are going to have a mono-culture of browser engines.Speak for yourself, I'll use browsh!
Ok, it's FF's engine, but still!
Ooooh, chunky!
I've used that as well.
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@boomzilla said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
I hear people saying that they like at least V6 but honestly a modern 4-cylinder can be just fine for normal driving.
The only time I like the 6 over the 4 is when towing over CA152. (For you non-CAians, we have some pretty good sized hills to get over when leaving the Bay area.)
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@dcon said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@boomzilla said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
I hear people saying that they like at least V6 but honestly a modern 4-cylinder can be just fine for normal driving.
The only time I like the 6 over the 4 is when towing over CA152. (For you non-CAians, we have some pretty good sized hills to get over when leaving the Bay area.)
I wouldn't do that with less than a V8 myself.
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@boomzilla said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@dcon said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@boomzilla said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
I hear people saying that they like at least V6 but honestly a modern 4-cylinder can be just fine for normal driving.
The only time I like the 6 over the 4 is when towing over CA152. (For you non-CAians, we have some pretty good sized hills to get over when leaving the Bay area.)
I wouldn't do that with less than a V8 myself.
For some towing jobs you need a 1200HP Rolls Royce!
Ernie got stuck! – 03:44
— krugtech
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@boomzilla said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@mott555 said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@Onyx said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
99.7% of the users don't give a shit about the rendering engine, they care about extensions and window chrome
I still have to support users who don't understand the difference between Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer. I don't dare even mention the phrase "rendering engine" around them.
I hear people saying that they like at least V6 but honestly a modern 4-cylinder can be just fine for normal driving.
I love 4-cylinders. Especially when you take two of them, put them at a 90-degree angle, and have them share a crankshaft.
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@boomzilla But V6 has a much longer address space.
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@Onyx said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
I didn't hear many complaints about Edge's HTML engine. Now, internally, yeah, that'll mean they won't have to deal with that as well
In the same way Apple doesn’t have to deal with KHTML and Google doesn’t have to deal with WebKit, right?
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Silverlight Core.
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@Gurth said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@Onyx said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
I didn't hear many complaints about Edge's HTML engine. Now, internally, yeah, that'll mean they won't have to deal with that as well
In the same way Apple doesn’t have to deal with KHTML and Google doesn’t have to deal with WebKit, right?
All I'm talking about is developing stuff from scratch and adding support for stuff on their own. Whether they'll muck around with it additionally or not is up to them. AFAIK, neither Opera nor Vivaldi make any real changes to the core engine, they just let stuff get fixed upstream. Is it possible that MS will make their own changes? Sure. But it's not a given.
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@boomzilla said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@mott555 said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@Onyx said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
99.7% of the users don't give a shit about the rendering engine, they care about extensions and window chrome
I still have to support users who don't understand the difference between Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer. I don't dare even mention the phrase "rendering engine" around them.
I hear people saying that they like at least V6 but honestly a modern 4-cylinder can be just fine for normal driving.
That would depend on where you live and what you need to overtake.
My current has 3 cylinders and 1.0l displacement. The roads here are twisty, for the most part, so usually I can't overtake a damn tractor. Just not enough acceleration to get past it within the section of the road that I can see (i.e. safely).
My previous car was a 6-cylinder with a 2.5l displacement. With that one I once overtook 3 semi trucks in a go, in steep uphill.Reason for this particular car swap was reproduction, with the subsequent need for Isofix hardpoints.
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@acrow said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
My current has 3 cylinders and 1.0l displacement.
You drive a motorcycle?
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@TimeBandit said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@acrow said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
My current has 3 cylinders and 1.0l displacement.
You drive a motorcycle?
Sounds more like this:
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@acrow You have a Geo Metro? Those are the only 3 cylinder, 1.0l displacement cars I'm aware of.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
You have a Geo Metro? Those are the only 3 cylinder, 1.0l displacement cars I'm aware of.
Also the first gen Suzuki Swift, since the Metro is based on it
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@TimeBandit said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
You have a Geo Metro? Those are the only 3 cylinder, 1.0l displacement cars I'm aware of.
Also the first gen Suzuki Swift, since the Metro is based on it
Also, versions of this:
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
Those are the only 3 cylinder, 1.0l displacement cars I'm aware of.
There are several more. This includes some examples not yet mentioned:
Best three-cylinder cars - Car Keys
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@Gurth said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
There are several more.
Not sold in North America .
A 3 cylinder 1.0L can't move the average American
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@Benjamin-Hall Nissan Note 2014 (Visia).
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@acrow Does it randomly burst into flames?
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@acrow said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@Benjamin-Hall Nissan Note 2014 (Visia).
Where?
Not in North America, it's a 4 cylinder
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@hungrier Not that I'd noticed. Why?
In fact, this car has been extremely reliable so far. I chose the Visia model (marketing name for the lack of any extras; rear windows are hand-crank -operated) so that electronics are at a minimum. Had to install an aftermarket engine-heater though.
Smallest engine in Nissan's lineup means that the battery and starter are larger in comparison, making it less likely to fail in winter.
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@acrow said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
Smallest engine in Nissan's lineup means that the battery and starter are larger in comparison, making it less likely to fail in winter.
That's why all the V8 don't start in Canadian winter
On a more serious note, you just need a very good battery and a car in good condition
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@acrow said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@hungrier Not that I'd noticed. Why?
Just a joke about the name
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@TimeBandit Finland. And it is (or was) available with 1.0l, 1.2l and 1.4l gasoline engines, and some selection of diesel engines, if my memory serves.
I have just become uncertain whether I have the 1.0l model after all. The sales document says its a "1,2". I am, however, certain that it is a 3-cylinder. Unfortunately, the only tangible proof I have for that is a receipt from the auto repair shop that replaced the spark plugs.
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@acrow said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@TimeBandit Finland. And it is (or was) available with 1.0l, 1.2l and 1.4l gasoline engines, and some selection of diesel engines, if my memory serves.
I have just become uncertain whether I have the 1.0l model after all. The sales document says its a "1,2". I am, however, certain that it is a 3-cylinder. Unfortunately, the only tangible proof I have for that is a receipt from the auto repair shop that replaced the spark plugs.
Open the hood and count the pipes on the header going out of the cylinder bank? The displacement also used to be displayed somewhere in the engine bay.
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@mott555 said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@boomzilla said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@mott555 said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@Onyx said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
99.7% of the users don't give a shit about the rendering engine, they care about extensions and window chrome
I still have to support users who don't understand the difference between Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer. I don't dare even mention the phrase "rendering engine" around them.
I hear people saying that they like at least V6 but honestly a modern 4-cylinder can be just fine for normal driving.
I love 4-cylinders. Especially when you take two of them, put them at a 90-degree angle, and have them share a crankshaft.
I'd love to put the Tuono 1100 next to my current bikes. And an XDiavel. And an H2R. And...
I'd also want to actually build myself a W6 motorcycle engine, just for the hell of it. That is, three banks of two cylinders, not four banks like W normally denotes... (W3 engines exist, after all.)
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@Carnage said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
Open the hood and count the pipes on the header going out of the cylinder bank? The displacement also used to be displayed somewhere in the engine bay.
This is confusing. Can you use a car analogy?
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@Gurth said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
There are several more. This includes some examples not yet mentioned:
I've got one of those:
1l, three cylinder, turbocharged. The engine makes 125HP and 0-60 is 11 seconds which isn't too shabby at all.
The MPG is the best part, I get 48MPG just driving normally. My old car got 11 MPG so my wallet really notices the difference!
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@Cursorkeys said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
My old car got 11 MPG so my wallet really notices the difference!
Your old car was a lorry?
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@Cursorkeys said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
The MPG is the best part, I get 48MPG just driving normally. My old car got 11 MPG so my wallet really notices the difference!
My '96 Nissan Sentra got 34. Nothing I've had since then comes close, even my current dinky four-cylinder Toyota Taco.
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I have a 1.9 litre diesel and there is no way I am buying anything less than 2 litres because there just isn't enough grunt to overtake. I normally get stuck behind an old dear driving one of those little 1 litre cars.
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@Tsaukpaetra My RX-8 does 18mpg when I drive smoothly.
If I push it hard, it does about 10mpg, so maybe @Cursorkeys had an RX-8
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@TimeBandit said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@Tsaukpaetra My RX-8 does 18mpg when I drive smoothly.
If I push it hard, it does about 10mpg, so maybe @Cursorkeys had an RX-8
I was looking at a Nissan 370Z the other day. It was tempting.
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@TimeBandit said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@Cursorkeys said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
My old car got 11 MPG so my wallet really notices the difference!
Your old car was a lorry?
A Ford ST170 chav-wagon that I'd tuned the nuts off, I loved that thing so much:
I nick-named it Richard Burton
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@Cursorkeys said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@TimeBandit said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@Cursorkeys said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
My old car got 11 MPG so my wallet really notices the difference!
Your old car was a lorry?
A Ford ST170 chav-wagon that I'd tuned the nuts off, I loved that thing so much:
I nick-named it Richard Burton
My mate still has one of those. Great cars.
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@sweaty_gammon said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
My mate still has one of those. Great cars.
Sadly I ran out of money in the end, everything was breaking and costing huge amounts to fix. There was so much play in the big end that it molested its own crank sensor, had to shim the damn thing out about 3mm.
It was on an aftermarket ECU with the power as high as I could get it, lowered and stiffened suspension, stupid-loud exhaust, solid mounts on the engine. It was a complete joy to drive, if a little hard on the fillings. Round tight twisty bits it was so, so much fun, and the ridiculous 2nd gear: 80MPH in second at 9000 RPM.
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@Cursorkeys That parking is ridiculous, even if just for (presumably) a review photo.
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@Cursorkeys said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
@sweaty_gammon said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
My mate still has one of those. Great cars.
Sadly I ran out of money in the end, everything was breaking and costing huge amounts to fix. There was so much play in the big end that it molested its own crank sensor, had to shim the damn thing out about 3mm.
It was on an aftermarket ECU with the power as high as I could get it, lowered and stiffened suspension, stupid-loud exhaust, solid mounts on the engine. It was a complete joy to drive, if a little hard on the fillings. Round tight twisty bits it was so, so much fun, and the ridiculous 2nd gear: 80MPH in second at 9000 RPM.
My mate has his mostly stock and he rarely decides to floor it and it lives in a Garage. I was looking at getting the newer Focus RS, but the for the price of it I could get a Japanese sports car which is basically the closest I can afford to a super car.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Place Your Bets: How Will Microsoft Screw This Up?:
Nothing I've had since then comes close, even my current dinky four-cylinder Toyota Taco.
What do you expect? You're driving a car made out of a corn tortilla.
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