Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness
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More of the same.
Apparently a patch will be needed for Task Manager incorrectly reporting CPU usage. Also, seems sluggish compared to previous version.
Overall, still not as good as 9 year old Windows 7.
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Microsoft said that Windows 10 would be "the last Windows you'll ever use".
I'm beginning to think they were right, but not in the way they intended.
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@Zerosquare
2019, the year of the Microsoft Linux desktop!
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@Zerosquare
And that'll be the last of your files, while we're at it.(https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/9l128k/warning_1809_upgrade_misplaceddeleted_files_in/)
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@izzion said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
2019, the year of the Microsoft Linux desktop!
The Nope thread is
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The whole situation is weird.
When you consider the number of PCs sold very year, and Microsoft's market share, it means that Microsoft is guaranteed to sell somewhere around 220 million copies of Windows every year.
Guaranteed sales. It doesn't matter what "features" Microsoft adds to Windows. They're still going to sell the same number of copies. So why go to all the trouble to make Windows worse and worse?
Fix bugs, patch security flaws and add support for new hardware. Other than that, leave it the fuck alone.
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@TimeBandit: too late. Izzion is right. Windows 10 features:
- blatant lack of attention to design and UX
- updates that randomly break things that used to work
- so many variations you can never be sure any advice you read will work for you
- a Bash shell that can run Linux applications
It took MS a lot of time, but they finally released a Linux distro.
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@Zerosquare said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
blatant lack of attention to design and UX
I think you're wrong there. They just have a different goal than you for their UX (inb4 @TimeBandit comes in and says "And all humans") - they want a design that works anywhere: Desktop, Phone, VR, AR, Tablets, anything. And they've actually done well at that. You can write an app that works in any of those scenarios. No one else is even trying.
The other stuff, though, I get what you mean. I just think that they're trying to get ready for a shift in hardware that will almost certainly happen with or without them, and want to have a platform ready.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Zerosquare
And that'll be the last of your files, while we're at it.(https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/9l128k/warning_1809_upgrade_misplaceddeleted_files_in/)
Ho lee fuccckkkk!!!!
And if the comments are to be believed, this was a known issue for the past while in the Insider Builds!
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@Magus said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
hey want a design that works anywhere: Desktop, Phone, VR, AR, Tablets, anything.
On the phone they don't make anymore?
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@TimeBandit android/iOS I presume.
It's too crazy that they've rolled it out with this known error.
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@TimeBandit You do know they're a software company, right?
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@Magus I was under the impression they're a hardware company
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@TimeBandit I thought they made phones?
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@TimeBandit I thought they made phones?
I usually buy their keyboards.
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I thought they made phones?
Someone told me the were the best phone ever, but nobody bought them
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@Magus said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I think you're wrong there. They just have a different goal than you for their UX (inb4 @TimeBandit comes in and says "And all humans") - they want a design that works anywhere: Desktop, Phone, VR, AR, Tablets, anything. And they've actually done well at that. You can write an app that works in any of those scenarios. No one else is even trying.
I know that's what they're trying to achieve. But they've been trying to do that since Windows 8.0 (which was released 6 years ago), and while there's been some improvement, the result is still lackluster compared to previous versions of Windows.
And the "nobody else even tries" bit is only correct if you look at OSes. There are other crossplatform solutions, such as Qt or (shudder) Electron.
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@Magus said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@TimeBandit You do know they're a software company, right?
: I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BUGS!!! IT'S <date>, SHIPIT
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@dcon said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Magus said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@TimeBandit You do know they're a software company, right?
: I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BUGSthose dumb user's files!!! IT'S <date>, SHIPITFTFY
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@TimeBandit said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@dcon said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Magus said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@TimeBandit You do know they're a software company, right?
: I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BUGSthose dumb user's files!!! IT'S <date>, SHIPITFTFY
I didn't lose my files. But Visual Studio broke. Because my user profile shortname went away. Which means TMP/TEMP now has a space in it. And something something spaces in path something that way...
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@cvi said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@TimeBandit I thought they made phones?
I usually buy their keyboards.
I had a couple of wireless Microsoft keyboards and mice over the years. I still have one of the mice but when the keyboard needed replacing I couldn't find a new Microsoft one I liked so got a Corsair keyboard.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Zerosquare
And that'll be the last of your files, while we're at it.(https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/9l128k/warning_1809_upgrade_misplaceddeleted_files_in/)
We do have the "Delete user profiles older than a specified number of days on system restart" GPO enabled on some OUs (set to 365 days). The user that lost everything is in one of those groups, and the user that didn't is not. To the OP: do you happen to be on a domain-joined PC or using this GPO?'
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JohnGypsy
I just had this happen to a client running Windows 10 Home. So, I don't think it is the GP issue at all.tksn (original poster)
My Windows install is not apart of a domain.
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@loopback0 FWIW, I'm using their Sculpt Ergonomic Desktop Keyboard since a few years back, and I'm fairly happy with it. My main two complaints about it are that it's wireless and that you can't buy it without the mouse. I tried the other curved one before that (it's wired), but that one is ginormous and I prefer the lower profile of my current one.
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Their "input" hardware (keyboards, mice and gamepads) has been pretty good for a long time, yeah. Too bad the rest of their products isn't as solid.
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@cvi I had the Wireless Laser Desktop 7000.
The keyboard lasted for something like 8 years. I still have the mouse, although the rechargeable battery is long gone.
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@pie_flavor
I'll admit to having read only the topic headline (and having seen it reported elsewhere). I get it - don't believe everything on the internets, don't eat yellow snow, etc..Unfortunately then that my limited, but nevertheless not unremarkable experience with software (and cómputers) has led me to conclude that Windows 10 has effortlessly passed the line where any claim of wonky behavior, no matter how ridiculous, needs examination, and has an ever-increasing higher-than-average chance of actually being true.
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@Zerosquare said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Their "input" hardware (keyboards, mice and gamepads) has been pretty good for a long time, yeah. Too bad the rest of their products isn't as solid.
Yeah, they're like a lot of hardware companies. They make nice hardware, but haven't the slightest clue when it comes to software development.
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Dark theme for everything (paging @Tsaukpaetra), remembering clipboard history, audio controls on the game bar, low disk space management, fonts without administrator permissions, I love it all.
Also: They are no longer showing you app 'recommendations' in the Start menu by default. And holy shit, after 35 years, Notepad finally supports LF line endings and not just CRLF.
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@Applied-Mediocrity: if you read the topic, you'll see that many people confirm they have experienced the same bug, and that they are either running the Home version or that their computer does not belong to a domain.
Worse, like @Tsaukpaetra said, there are even reports from Insider builds users that the same bug was known several months ago.
@cvi: cough Samsung cough?
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I love it all
You love everything Windows?
We are all surprised by this
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@Zerosquare said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@cvi: cough Samsung cough?
What about them? They're making some really hot hardware, aren't they?
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@TimeBandit said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I love it all
You love everything Windows?
We are all surprised by this
Which of those features do you not love and why?
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Which of those features do you not love and why?
I'm not against any of these, but I don't love them.
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
remembering clipboard history
I only need it to remember the last thing I put in.
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
audio controls on the game bar
The what?
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
low disk space management
OK.
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
fonts without administrator permissions
I can count the amount of times I've needed that on zero hands.
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
They are no longer showing you app 'recommendations' in the Start menu by default.
Hurrah!
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Notepad finally supports LF line endings and not just CRLF.
I can count the amount of times this has been an issue on zero hands.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Which of those features do you not love and why?
The Windows one
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
remembering clipboard history
I only need it to remember the last thing I put in.
KDE got that so long ago, I can't remember when it didn't
low disk space management
OK.
They fixed it good, they delete the user files
They are no longer showing you app 'recommendations' in the Start menu by default.
Hurrah!
No more ads in the start menu? I can't wait for the other OS to implement that
Notepad finally supports LF line endings and not just CRLF.
I can count the amount of times this has been an issue on zero hands.
A feature that every other text editor got decades ago. Hurrah for MS innovations
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I had a couple of wireless Microsoft keyboards and mice over the years. I still have one of the mice but when the keyboard needed replacing I couldn't find a new Microsoft one I liked so got a Corsair keyboard.
Amazon! (Model 4000, wired - because wireless keyboards SUCK)
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@TimeBandit said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
They fixed it good, they delete the user files
It works! According to that Reddit post, it works very well.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Dark theme for everything (paging @Tsaukpaetra),
I have been summoned, and so I appear.
remembering clipboard history,
Office 2000 had that, IIRC. Finally making a comeback, I see.
audio controls on the game bar,
Almost sounds useful?
low disk space management,
I'm assuming you mean something other than the "Your disk is full! Run Disk Cleanup to free up space!" balloons that have been here since XP?
fonts without administrator permissions
You know, this really should never have needed administrator permissions, but built-in security bugs made it that way for some reason...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
fonts without administrator permissions
You know, this really should never have needed administrator permissions, but built-in security bugs made it that way for some reason...
You need administrator permission to enable the firewall so you can install fonts
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Office 2000 had that, IIRC. Finally making a comeback, I see.
The next Windows 10 update has Clippy.
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Office 2000 had that, IIRC. Finally making a comeback, I see.
The next Windows 10 update has Clippy.
Clippy got renamed to Cortana.
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Office 2000 had that, IIRC. Finally making a comeback, I see.
The next Windows 10 update has Clippy.
Had a gender change and is named Cortana, haven't you been paying attention?
Edit: Fuck
'd.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Cortana, haven't you been paying attention?
Cortana got the same treatment as Siri. Disabled as soon as possible.
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Cortana, haven't you been paying attention?
Cortana got the same treatment as Siri. Disabled as soon as possible.
So you like your girls disabled, huh? *Pantomimes scribbling on a clipboard*
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
I'm assuming you mean something other than the "Your disk is full! Run Disk Cleanup to free up space!" balloons that have been here since XP?
Yes. Stuff like removing OneDrive files from the disk so they're only available online, or removing some temporary files that would otherwise bolster performance.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Cortana, haven't you been paying attention?
Cortana got the same treatment as Siri. Disabled as soon as possible.
So you like your girls disabled, huh? *Pantomimes scribbling on a clipboard*
Cortana's all right when she isn't constantly talking and making suggestions nobody cares about. She just needs to be muted.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
So you like your girls disabled, huh?
I like my girls like my coffee. White, hot, and always getting my name wrong.
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@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Stuff like removing OneDrive files from the disk so they're only available online
How does this work with adding new files to Onedrive? Copy them to the Onedrive folder, they're uploaded to Onedrive and then deleted from the local Onedrive folder?
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@loopback0 said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
@pie_flavor said in Windoze 10 Fall 2018 Flopdate, now with even more nothingness:
Stuff like removing OneDrive files from the disk so they're only available online
How does this work with adding new files to Onedrive? Copy them to the Onedrive folder, they're uploaded to Onedrive and then deleted from the local Onedrive folder?
Presumably it only deletes files not accessed in X days.
