FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE
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So it seems that Windows is an OS built specifically for people who don't like having their computer pay any attention to when they want it to reboot.
I CLICKED RESTART NOW, WINDOWS. YOU CLOSED ALL MY PROGRAMS. WHY DID YOU NOT REBOOT?
(sorry about the video compression being applied to this screenshot - I took it on my Chromebook)
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@ben_lubar oh it was using its computer for something
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what if you pushed the regular restart button?
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Why do people get so worked up about stuff like this? Obviously there is an app that needs to be closed first. Then it will reboot. Sheesh.
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@El-Dorko said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
Why do people get so worked up about stuff like this? Obviously there is an app that needs to be closed first. Then it will reboot. Sheesh.
On the contrary: Even if whatever app was preventing shutdown is closed, the reboot has been cancelled (hence the return to desktop) and so a reboot is not immediately forthcoming.
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@El-Dorko Welcome back!
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I was just thinking how funny it is how everyone everywhere does jokes and memes about windows updates and reboots and such, while I'm just sitting here, happily having no issues for the past at least 4 months, being surprised this morning when I turned my computer on and got my first "please wait, updates installing" in those 4 months, which took about 2 minutes and happened flawlessly.
...kicking out the reboot shortcut which windows update uses does wonders =D
also, you know there's a "restart"/"update and restart" option in the menu under your shutdown button, do you?
that one always works. who cares about some fancypants UWP button? =D
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@sh_code said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
"update and restart"
Sometimes.
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@sh_code said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
...kicking out the reboot shortcut which windows update uses does wonders
Yeah, and so does editing the registry to do it the official way. But sure, intentionally break your system.
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@sh_code Yeah, that makes 3 of you.
We also have this one guy ( @pie_flavor) who says Windows update always works perfectly and you only have to use the official way of editing the registry to stop random reboots, and this other guy who says Windows update works perfectly on normal people's machines and only breaks for those fucking nerds that edit the registry.
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@El-Dorko said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
Obviously there is an app that needs to be closed first. Then it will reboot. Sheesh.
Is that app Windows Update?
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@topspin Who's that other guy?
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@pie_flavor jesus, you really need to get that keylogger.
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@pie_flavor
blakeyrat, obviously. Didn't want to summon him to a thread he's not in, but also thought it's rude not to @-mention you directly above me. So that was a compromise.
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@topspin said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
Didn't want to summon him to a thread he's not in, but also thought it's rude not to @-mention you directly above me. So that was a compromise
But I'm fair game?
Huh?
HUH??!?!
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@mention said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
@topspin said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
Didn't want to summon him to a thread he's not in, but also thought it's rude not to @-mention you directly above me. So that was a compromise
But I'm fair game?
Huh?
HUH??!?!
@by-joining-this-group-you-agree-to-be-mentioned-randomly-for-no-reason-is-that-okay-yes-no might have a say in this too.
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Am I missing something?
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@mentions said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
Am I missing something?
Only in passing. @1 will never know.
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@topspin said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
@pie_flavor
blakeyrat, obviously. Didn't want to summon him to a thread he's not in, but also thought it's rude not to @-mention you directly above me. So that was a compromise.Well I thought it's well known that @blakeyrat is always wrong and stupid, so take his knowledge of the registry with a grain of salt.
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@pie_flavor You two could have an Agni Kai and then the winner explains to the rest of the world the obviously correct way to make Windows work.
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@ben_lubar said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
I CLICKED RESTART NOW, WINDOWS. YOU CLOSED ALL MY PROGRAMS. WHY DID YOU NOT REBOOT?
I have a theory about it that explains everything.
When you click "Restart now", Windows 10 sends a request to a MS server, which is supposed to reply "OK, restart now".
Except the server code is buggy, gets confused, and sends the "restart now" packet to someone's else IP address. The bug only occurs if the hash for your motherboard's serial number falls into a certain range, which explains why some people like @pie_flavor never experience it.
So every time you click that "Restart now" button and nothing seems to happens, somewhere on the planet, someone goes "FUCKING HELL WHY IS IT REBOOTING AGAIN FOR NO REASON".
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@ben_lubar said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
I CLICKED RESTART NOW, WINDOWS. YOU CLOSED ALL MY PROGRAMS. WHY DID YOU NOT REBOOT?
In my experience, it won't shut down or reboot because the language pack downloader service is busy and won't restart in 30 seconds so it dumps you back to desktop.
Any ideas to fix this actual issue are welcome.
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@mention said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
@topspin said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
Didn't want to summon him to a thread he's not in, but also thought it's rude not to @-mention you directly above me. So that was a compromise
But I'm fair game?
Huh?
HUH??!?!
You brought this on yourself.
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@PleegWat said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
Any ideas to fix this actual issue are welcome.
Replace windows with MS-DOS 6.22, and use a power supply with a mechanical on/off switch.
edit: I think with Windows 3.11 you still could just turn the computer off.
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@sockpuppet7 The only other operating system I'm allowed is the corporate linux image, on which it is mandatory to install symantec encryption desktop if it's not used as a VM. I'm still holding out for the linux image team to get luks approved for general use.
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@Zerosquare said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
@ben_lubar said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
I CLICKED RESTART NOW, WINDOWS. YOU CLOSED ALL MY PROGRAMS. WHY DID YOU NOT REBOOT?
I have a theory about it that explains everything.
When you click "Restart now", Windows 10 sends a request to a MS server, which is supposed to reply "OK, restart now".
Except the server code is buggy, gets confused, and sends the "restart now" packet to someone's else IP address. The bug only occurs if the hash for your motherboard's serial number falls into a certain range, which explains why some people like @pie_flavor never experience it.
So every time you click that "Restart now" button and nothing seems to happens, somewhere on the planet, someone goes "FUCKING HELL WHY IS IT REBOOTING AGAIN FOR NO REASON".
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This happens sometimes to me, a program like Google Drive tells windows that it just needs a bit more time to finish up exiting, but then the logoff times out to let the user fix the problem and the shutdown/restart is aborted. Then whatever program was the holdup finishes and exits, leaving you with no running programs and a very confused user.
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@LB_ said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
This happens sometimes to me, a program like Google Drive tells windows that it just needs a bit more time to finish up exiting, but then the logoff times out to let the user fix the problem and the shutdown/restart is aborted. Then whatever program was the holdup finishes and exits, leaving you with no running programs and a very confused user.
But the logout thing has a button that says "restart anyway" and a button that says "cancel". There's no reason to EVER have it time out.
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Otoh I had to reboot twice to install a set up updates (again) because Windows still don't know how to install updates.
: Some updates failed to install.
: goes into settings, notices updates waiting for a reboot to finish, clicks reboot
: Windows cannot reboot because updates are being installed.
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But Windows Update is doing absolutely nothing while waiting for the reboot!It did work a bit later. Also, setting up Windows for work has taken me the entire workday and still not finished. At least I got less crap and more control over my work PC now.
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I'm starting to think the issues I have with Windows 10 and Windows Updates are delayed karma for how Windows Vista worked perfectly fine for me and I never had any issues or complaints about it.
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@LB_ said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
a program like Google Drive tells windows that it just needs a bit more time to finish up exiting
I hate this. There is rarely a good reason for a program to let something to do at exit time.
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@mott555 said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
I'm starting to think the issues I have with Windows 10 and Windows Updates are delayed karma for how Windows Vista worked perfectly fine for me and I never had any issues or complaints about it.
Uh-oh.
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@Zecc said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
@mott555 said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
I'm starting to think the issues I have with Windows 10 and Windows Updates are delayed karma for how Windows Vista worked perfectly fine for me and I never had any issues or complaints about it.
Uh-oh.
I was the @pie_flavor of Vista.
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@mott555 said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
@Zecc said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
@mott555 said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
I'm starting to think the issues I have with Windows 10 and Windows Updates are delayed karma for how Windows Vista worked perfectly fine for me and I never had any issues or complaints about it.
Uh-oh.
I was the @pie_flavor of Vista.
I had a pretty stable ME system. After I replaced the broken fan that had been making me think Windows 98 was a terrible OS and I should upgrade, that is
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@sockpuppet7 said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
@PleegWat said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
Any ideas to fix this actual issue are welcome.
Replace windows with MS-DOS 6.22, and use a power supply with a mechanical on/off switch.
edit: I think with Windows 3.11 you still could just turn the computer off.
Or better yet replace windows with Mac OS, that way it will ignore the hardware button, so you have to sit there and wait for the battery (which is not removable) to run out because why should there be a way to force a reboot - Mac OS is perfect in every way and never craps out on yo
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@dangeRuss said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
@sockpuppet7 said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
@PleegWat said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
Any ideas to fix this actual issue are welcome.
Replace windows with MS-DOS 6.22, and use a power supply with a mechanical on/off switch.
edit: I think with Windows 3.11 you still could just turn the computer off.
Or better yet replace windows with Mac OS, that way it will ignore the hardware button, so you have to sit there and wait for the battery (which is not removable) to run out because why should there be a way to force a reboot - Mac OS is perfect in every way and never craps out on yo
You forgot about the:
: Oh you want to update now. Yeah, I'll get back to you...
: When?
: I can't tell you. It's a secret.
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@dcon At least macOS lets me update when I want rather than go ”Amg I got updatez, reboot nau!” like Windows does. Telling macOS to remind me tomorrow does, infact, remind me tomorrow instead of 15 minutes later.
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@Atazhaia said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
@dcon At least macOS lets me update when I want rather than go ”Amg I got updatez, reboot nau!” like Windows does. Telling macOS to remind me tomorrow does, infact, remind me tomorrow instead of 15 minutes later.
That's your fault for pressing the button between 11:45pm and midnight.
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@topspin said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
explains to the rest of the world the obviously correct way to make Windows work.
Easy:
When it's hot inside, you open it.
When it's cold outside, you close it.Inb4: it's almost always closed
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@mott555 said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
I was the @pie_flavor of Vista.
Don't be so harsh on yourself
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@sh_code said in [FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE]
also, you know there's a "restart"/"update and restart" option in the menu under your shutdown button, do you?
that one always works.No it doesn't. One of my computers never restarts with "update and restart". It just shuts down, so I can watch 'installing updates' for 2 hours next time I want to use it.
And a wonderful windows update story from yesterday.
I built myself a new rig (which is quite nice btw). I boot windows for the first time and 30 seconds after that I get "hey, updates installed, reboot needed", because apparently ISO downloaded 2 hours earlier is not up to date.
I clicked 'later' and proceeded with installing drivers. 5 minutes later, while installing drivers windows rebooted. Out of the blue, no warning, no nothing.Windows update is so fucking broken that it makes me miss windows 98.
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@ben_lubar said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
But the logout thing has a button that says "restart anyway" and a button that says "cancel". There's no reason to EVER have it time out.
Hell yes there's a reason to have it time out. But it should select "restart anyway".
And if it cancels at all, whether by manual action or from a timeout action that shouldn't be there, it should drop to the password screen. Because I probably went off to the shitter waiting for shutdown to terminate and leaving the machine unlocked is against company policy.
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@MrL said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
Apparently ISO downloaded 2 hours earlier is not up to date.
MS never understood that not having a way to combine updates is a massive waste of time for their clients. If you had the displeasure of installing the XP from a first-generation CD in the last years of its life, it would install a ton of updates, then the SP1, then some more updates, then the SP3, then yet more updates. And you couldn't even leave it unattended to do other stuff, because it would stop and prompt you several times.
Now that you can no longer refuse updates in non-entreprise versions of Windows, they have no excuse for not automatically building an up-to-date ISO every week.
Windows Update is one of the most shamefully clunky parts of Windows, and has been since its inception. It's sad that Linux updates, which have more efficient mechanisms on paper, end up being not better (or worse) in practice.
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@Zerosquare said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
It's sad that Linux updates, which have more efficient mechanisms on paper, end up being not better (or worse) in practice.
Care to explain?
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@Zerosquare said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
Linux updates, which have more efficient mechanisms on paper,
Paper updates don't sound efficient at all.
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@TimeBandit: I'm not a Linux user so my opinion is based on feedback from other people, but I had the impression that (some ?) Linux package managers handled updates more intelligently than Windows Update does, like downloading only the parts that are needed to update from the version you have to the latest version, instead of blindly applying every incremental update since your last sync.
Additionally, for years the Windows Update algorithm also had performance problems that got worse and worse with the increasing number of updates, until it got so bad that MS had to fix it.
On the other hand, the update system is only part of the problem. For a good user experience, updates should not occur too often, and most importantly not break stuff. Which, if I can believe what I read, isn't quite the case with Linux yet.
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@Zerosquare I'm not sure if linux package managers have incremental updates at all. Mostly they have complete replacing packages, AFAIK.
The algorithm is as simple as
- User has version 45.
- The repository has version 46.
- 46>45.
- Replace user version with repository version.
Some package managers may have a function where they go
- I have an incremental upgrade for 45→46; that's a smaller download/faster patch.
But it's definitely not universal.
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@Zerosquare said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
updates should not occur too often
And yet it seems every company is trying to push updates faster. Because we're Agile.
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@Zerosquare said in FUCKING HELL WHY DOES IT REBOOT ZERO TIMES WHEN I CLICK REBOOT ONCE:
For a good user experience, updates should not occur too often,
Since we live in a connected and dangerous world, we get updates WAY too often for my taste. But at least I can delay it as long as I want.
and most importantly not break stuff.
Debian Stable covers that pretty well. My current work machine was running Debian 7.x, I upgraded to 8 and now 9 without anything breaking.
Oh, and I was working on it while it was upgrading. Once done, you reboot ONCE at your convenience and your good to go
