Performing a hard reset on a Surface
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https://twitter.com/dakami/status/971131871621885953 :
All this because the battery is non-removable.
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Holy fuck!
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Saw the title an it took me a minute to realize you meant a Surface tablet and not a really vigorous
or other percussive maintenance.
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Since when does a Surface Book 2 have USB-C power?
edit: After a bit of research, turns out that it can indeed receive power through the USB-C port. Will have to be a pretty beefy power supply, though, otherwise you'll drain the battery even while charging if the laptop's on.
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- How on earth did he get that information? Because when I tried to get support they didn’t even understand the difference between a process and a driver.
- Who the heck could possibly come up with such an arcane reset sequence?
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@zmaster said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
Who the heck could possibly come up with such an arcane reset sequence
Tier 5 reps from the Firmware Department.
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@zmaster said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
Who the heck could possibly come up with such an arcane reset sequence?
An engineer. Reminds me of some of the arcane things one has to do on cars to reset the reminder to change the engine oil...
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@erufael said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@zmaster said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
Who the heck could possibly come up with such an arcane reset sequence?
An engineer. Reminds me of some of the arcane things one has to do on cars to reset the reminder to change the engine oil...
Just remember it has to be something that is based on very limited means of interaction and minimal circuitry. It also has to be something that is very unlikely to ever accidently occur.
The info above does surprise me a bit. I have a different model of Surface (actually a few of them) and all of the hard resets for the computer are implemented in a way that is keyboard free.....
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@thecpuwizard said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
all of the hard resets for the computer are implemented in a way that is keyboard free.....
Press and hold Power and VolDn for 10 seconds.
-- Android in general
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@zmaster said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
Who the heck could possibly come up with such an arcane reset sequence?
Think about the button sequence required to perform a Google search starting from a cmd.exe shell. This reset sequence is significantly shorter than that sequence.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@thecpuwizard said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
all of the hard resets for the computer are implemented in a way that is keyboard free.....
Press and hold Power and VolDn for 10 seconds.
-- Android in generalOr just power.
Holding a single button for 10 seconds seems like the easiest combination to detect in hardware and the most simple and universal one for users to understand, so I'm not sure why they'd ever pick a different one.
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@anonymous234 You want that to just shut it down, not enter boot mode selection.
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@thecpuwizard said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
I have a different model of Surface (actually a few of them) and all of the hard resets for the computer are implemented in a way that is keyboard free
This is a surface book, isn't that the one that always has a keyboard attached?
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@pie_flavor You want that to do a hard reset of all circuits, which is what the OP was about. Boot selection is a different thing, although it wouldn't really hurt if you just combined both (hard reset -> load the "safest" boot mode by default).
I think Microsoft prefers the "detect if system failed to boot properly last time, boot into recovery mode if true" approach anyway, which is more fragile but doesn't need any extra buttons.
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@jaloopa said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@thecpuwizard said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
I have a different model of Surface (actually a few of them) and all of the hard resets for the computer are implemented in a way that is keyboard free
This is a surface book, isn't that the one that always has a keyboard attached?
Not always. I do have a surface book. It is not uncommon for the keyboard to be in one location, while I am elsewhere with it in tablet mode (easier to carry, etc).
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@thecpuwizard Fair enough, I thought there was a Surface model that was just a laptop with no detachable keyboard shenanigans.
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@jaloopa said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@thecpuwizard Fair enough, I thought there was a Surface model that was just a laptop with no detachable keyboard shenanigans.
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@anonymous234 said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@tsaukpaetra said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@thecpuwizard said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
all of the hard resets for the computer are implemented in a way that is keyboard free.....
Press and hold Power and VolDn for 10 seconds.
-- Android in generalOr just power.
Holding a single button for 10 seconds seems like the easiest combination to detect in hardware and the most simple and universal one for users to understand, so I'm not sure why they'd ever pick a different one.
If it's a portable device, the likelihood of that happening accidentally is too high. All it would take to turn off your phone is have it move a bit so that power button is pushed against something (keys, wallet, maybe even just your leg).
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What ever happened to recessing a button behind a paper clip hole?
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@weng said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
What ever happened to recessing a button behind a paper clip hole?
People pushed too hard and broke the board underneath the buttons.
And nobody can ever find a paperclip.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@weng said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
What ever happened to recessing a button behind a paper clip hole?
People pushed too hard and broke the board underneath the buttons.
And nobody can ever find a paperclip.
And people jammed paperclips in the LED trying to find the reset button
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@rhywden said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
Since when does a Surface Book 2 have USB-C power?
edit: After a bit of research, turns out that it can indeed receive power through the USB-C port. Will have to be a pretty beefy power supply, though, otherwise you'll drain the battery even while charging if the laptop's on.
I run one of my laptops solely on USB-C power, from a USB-C dock. It runs in a throttled mode, but since I mostly just use it for browsing, download and remoting into servers with ssh, that isnt a problem.
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@rhywden USB-C supports up to 100W charging, and a lot of modern laptops usually only come with 45-65W power supplies.
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@ben_lubar said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@zmaster said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
Who the heck could possibly come up with such an arcane reset sequence?
Think about the button sequence required to perform a Google search starting from a cmd.exe shell. This reset sequence is significantly shorter than that sequence.
explorer(enter)
(Alt+D, or click the location bar)
how to debone a trout(enter)How hard was that?
It even opened the search in Firefox, my default browser. Granted, first I had to figure out how to set Google as the default search engine for Internet Explorer. And it leaves an Explorer window open.
fake edit: well
explorerwould just load your desktop if you were actually usingcmd.exeas your shell, I think. But that's dumb... real people don't usecmd.exeas their shell. Real people don't even know that it's possible to use a different shell, or what a shell is for that matter.
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@anotherusername said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
shell
When I say "shell" I generally mean "the first program started in a terminal emulator".
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@sloosecannon said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@tsaukpaetra said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@weng said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
What ever happened to recessing a button behind a paper clip hole?
People pushed too hard and broke the board underneath the buttons.
And nobody can ever find a paperclip.
And people jammed paperclips in the LED trying to find the reset button
IOW: people are idiots
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@anotherusername Or in one step:
start chrome "https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+debone+a+trout"(enter)
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Step 1: don't buy a Surface, idiot.
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That is all.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
And nobody can ever find a paperclip.
Bullshit. This is a Microsoft product:
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@lorne-kates said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@tsaukpaetra said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
And nobody can ever find a paperclip.
Bullshit. This is a Microsoft product:
It's been smashed into the form of a lightbulb.
Soon enough, people won't be able to recognize even that for the original product it represents...
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@tsaukpaetra said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
Soon enough, people won't be able to recognize even that for the original product it represents...
You could argue the same thing about a floppy disk icon to save, but those don't seem to be going anywhere. (Or file folders for folders, for that matter.)
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@unperverted-vixen said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@tsaukpaetra said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
Soon enough, people won't be able to recognize even that for the original product it represents...
You could argue the same thing about a floppy disk icon to save, but those don't seem to be going anywhere. (Or file folders for folders, for that matter.)
Ah, but you still use folders to organize files (if you're still using physical prints). You don't use floppy disks of any kind in everyday tasks...
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@tsaukpaetra Difference is, that one's useful. Although I wish you didn't have to put a document into edit mode to be able to use it.
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@weng I have an old MP3 player that has such a recessed button, but I still had to take it apart and short two pins to reset the power circuitry (or something) after it stopped charging.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
You don't use floppy disks of any kind in everyday tasks...
"Square thing with data connection on the side near an edge" could describe quite a few types of SD card.
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@ben_lubar said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
@tsaukpaetra said in Performing a hard reset on a Surface:
You don't use floppy disks of any kind in everyday tasks...
"Square thing with data connection on the side near an edge" could describe quite a few types of SD card.
I wouldn't describe a floppy disk in that manner as a normie.
