Indian Recruiters



  • I wanted to test the job market and registered on a Job portal and I get emails every single day. Typos, Grammatical errors, shitty job descriptions and so on. I am posting the best of the best bland fucking emails here. I would never consider even one of these emails professional. Half the stuff makes no sense. Fuck me. Are things the same in the west ?

    EMAIL 1

    Hi Stillwater,

    As per our Tcon, if you have any references pls. let me know for the web application, Azure.

    Thanks & Regards,

    Praveena

    EMAIL 2

    Dear Stillwater,

    Job Profile: Python Developer
    Job Loc: Pune
    Payroll Company: Magna Infotech (Contract-to-Hire)
    Skills: Python, Automation

    Note: Notice period should be 15 Days Max

    JD:

    Understand the workflow and identify the gaps where automation scripts can be created
    · Discuss with Queue managers and analysts and create backlog of requirements in JIRA
    · Create python scripts to be executed on windows/linux platforms
    · Daily Reporting – Work covered/pending against identified work items – All this will be tracked and monitored through JIRA
    · Automation scripts to be migrated from Ruby to Python

    EMAIL 3

    Dear Candidates,

    This is regarding an opportunity with one of the leading product development company. So kindly revert back to this mail with below details without fail earlier as possible.

    Requirement:
    Company: GlobalEnglish
    Experience: 2+ years
    Location: Chennai
    Key Skills: HTML5,CSS3,Javascript,Jquery,Angular.Js,Gulp,Grunt,Less/Sass

    Responsibilities :

    work closely with UX Designers, Visual Designers, Product Managers, Content Specialists, and other Developers.

    You will:
    Create compelling, seamless, intuitive user experiences through well-designed and well-engineered Front-End code.
    Architect, design, and manage a suite of reusable components that work across multiple applications and services.
    Build efficient and reusable front-end abstractions, systems, and APIs.
    Apply design details from product design standards and templates.
    Collaborate with both internal and external teams.
    Enhance and maintain our internal frameworks and tools to enable rapid development.
    Identify and resolve performance bottlenecks.
    Define and promote good engineering design patterns and practices Attributes
    To succeed in this role, you must have these attributes:
    Committed to Excellence cares deeply about product/process quality
    Knowledgeable strong understanding of the technical landscape
    Resilient perseveres through challenging problems
    An independent thinker sees and pursues what is right and best
    Bold makes an impact through strong initiative and action
    Innovative inclined to seek new and better solutions
    Clear Communicator able to communicate well, verbally and in writing, with coworkers
    and stakeholders, even when the subject is complex or difficult
    Collaborative natural desire to build open, trusting and supportive relationships with others
    International embraces community of global, culturally-aware teams

    Required Skills & Experience
    Bachelors degree or higher from an accredited university
    2+ years of hands-on development experience with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript
    (AngularJS, jQuery, Node.js)
    Experience with front-end build tools, such as Grunt and Gulp.js
    Experience with large and complex code bases, utilizing API design techniques to help keep code clean and maintainable
    Experience with hybrid mobile app development, such as Ionic and Cordova
    Experience making technological recommendations while weighing various tradeoffs
    Solid knowledge of object-oriented programming principles and languages
    Knowledge of current trends and best practices in front-end architecture, including performance, accessibility, security, and usability
    Agile enthusiast who understands methodologies and enjoys being part of a scrum team
    Collaborative experience working with UX Designers, Engineers, and Product Managers
    Proven problem-solving and interpersonal communication skills Strong attention to detail
    Strong desire to learn, push the envelope and openly share knowledge with others

    Nice to have:

    Experience with ( Angular2, TypeScript, React, Vue.js ,RequireJS, Webpack and SystemJS
    Experience with internationalization (i18n)

    *Make sure to attend face to face discussion & ready to join with short notice ( Preferably 30 days)

    Need to fill below details:
    Updated CV
    Total Exp:
    Relevant Exp:
    CTC:
    ECTC:
    Current Location:
    Notice Period: Official/ Neg. up to
    Pan No:
    Alternate Mobile (must):

    Note: Please find the Job Req. and do reply if your profile suitable for this opportunity.

    Thanks,
    Rajesh
    044-40652600
    rajesh.rathinakumar@globalenglish.com
    GlobalEnglish Corporation
    www.globalenglish.com



  • The phone calls I receive are even worse. I'll post them here sometime. I've also observed that recruiters ask for your current salary and when refused to disclose, act all pissed off. Why the fuck would I tell how much I'm making ?


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    @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    GlobalEnglish

    This must be some superset of regular English.
    Funnily enough, thir software purports to actually teach you English.



  • One thing I have noticed when dealing with recruiters for contract jobs in the US is there is a correlation between the payment rate and the ethnicity of the recruiter. If the recruiter asks what rate I want, I say $X. Most recruiters with European-derived names say "ok" or "that sounds about right." I've even had a couple say, "You're selling yourself short; the client has a standard rate of X+10 for somebody with your experience, and you should never consider less than X+5." Many US recruiters with Indian names will say, "The client's budget is only X-10." When I reluctantly agree, because I'm between jobs and even X-10 is better than 0, a few have come back a couple days later and tried to shave a few more bucks off of that.

    I don't really have enough data points to say it's more than a coincidence or confirmation bias or whatever, but it seems to me that the heavier the recruiter's accent, the more likely this is to happen. So if I can't understand the recruiter's voicemail, I just delete it, because chances are the job is going to be crappy anyway.



  • Oh yeah and these people are stupid as fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk and have no fucking idea how to have a conversation. This is a conversation that I had last week

    HR: You're a .NET Dev?

    Me: Yes

    HR: You know ASP.NET MVC ?

    Me: Yes

    • Basically asked Do you know <language/framework> for every single thing I listed on my resume *

    HR: You know Angular and all that ?

    Me: Yes

    HR: How do you know both Angular and .NET ?

    Me: What do you mean ?

    HR: Nevermind. How much is your current CTC

    • By this point I am extremely pissed

    Me: Why do you need to know that ?

    HR: I need that information so I can forward it to my boss

    Me: You don't have bands and corresponding fixed salary ranges ? why do you need to know this ?

    HR: Yeah we have all that but we need to know your current CTC.

    Me: Alright. I make XXXX and I -

    HR: Oh shi- * Hangs up the fucking phone *

    1. XXXX is basically equivalent to 13000 dollars per year
    2. XXXX was the amount of money I had to settle for when I had to get my foot in the door. I've had raises since then.
    3. I've learnt that 99% of the .NET Shops hire very average cargo cult level programmers pay them peanuts and ship products that are absolute shit. A real actual fucking example is a guy I know who writes some of the most horrible code I have ever seen, basically broken af stored procedures and fuckall XAML day in day out for 7 years now makes about 9000 USD per year. The developers are shit and don't get paid more. They don't demand more money because they know they are shit and don't really have anything to deserve more pay. What this means is if you're a .NET Developer who knows your shit and can make high quality software, you're gonna get paid peanuts just because every other motherfucker who has the same skillset and years of experience does not know shit and they only get paid peanuts so why the fuck would we pay you more ?? . You just can't be a good .NET Dev in India anymore. Oh yeah, Azure is the new .NET now. That's fucked too. Wonderfuckingful.


  • @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    I've also observed that recruiters ask for your current salary and when refused to disclose, act all pissed off. Why the fuck would I tell how much I'm making ?

    Unfortunately, that seems to be the way things work these days. I can see it from their point of view. If you're an experienced professional who expects, say, $50/hour and the client is looking to pay pseudo-competent H1-B drones $20, they can avoid wasting their time presenting you to the client, setting up interviews, etc. only to have you refuse over an irreconcilable difference in salary expectations. But it leaves no opportunity to negotiate the actual offer, if there is one.



  • @hardwaregeek said in Indian Recruiters:

    "You're selling yourself short; the client has a standard rate of X+10 for somebody with your experience, and you should never consider less than X+5."

    Loooooooooooooooooooool. This would never ever happen in India. If the client has a standard rate of X + 10. The Recruiter usually tells the client " Fuck that ! I ll get you someone for X - 79871237. Just give me a little moar money"

    I wish I was exaggerating. I really wish.



  • @hardwaregeek said in Indian Recruiters:

    Unfortunately, that seems to be the way things work these days. I can see it from their point of view. If you're an experienced professional who expects, say, $50/hour and the client is looking to pay pseudo-competent H1-B drones $20, they can avoid wasting their time presenting you to the client, setting up interviews, etc. only to have you refuse over an irreconcilable difference in salary expectations. But it leaves no opportunity to negotiate the actual offer, if there is one.

    I can understand that but I am not asked about how much I expect. I'm asked how much I make. How is it your fucking problem if I expect 50 but I make 20 dollars or 7 dollars. Also I've been told the salaries are fixed based on how much money the person made in his previous gig. There is this "Oh candidate A has 10 years experience and made 50 dollars at his previous job. Let us give him 60 dollars. Candidate B has 12 years experience and is way more skilled but made 40 dollars let's give him only 45 dollars. Fuck that guy"



  • @pie_flavor
    I don't know if you've worked with people who speak and write Indian English. It's like being stuck in a weird LSD trip where everything becomes dull and incomprehensible and you're just crying on the inside. Teaching that would be out of the fucking universe.


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    @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    Teaching that would be out of the fucking universe.

    What they actually teach is Business English, which is apparently the subset of English you need to learn in order to do business with people.

    And no, the only real tech company I've ever been inside the work area of was SAP, and the couple of Indians I met there spoke perfect English.



  • These are the kind of fucktards that one would end up working with in an Indian IT Company

    THE ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS MOTHERFUCKER

    This person usually knows for loops and branching. Writes stored procedures and likes Datasets / Datatables. Completely unaware of

    • Code Quality

    • Unit Testing

    • Design patterns

    This person usually stays at the same level for probably the entire career. Jumps from one company to the other every 2 years to get more moneyzzzzzz. Comes to office for the Eye Candy, Usually active in Team building activities, generally considers himself/ herself cool because they build software.

    Tech Stack: .NET or Java

    Pros: You don't have to explain any major technical decision you make. Left out of the loop everytime.

    Cons: Breaks code all the time. Fucks up commits and merges. Lowest common denominator which means if this one does not know what LINQ is, you cannot use LINQ. Use a nested fucking for loop.

    THE WELL MEANING MOTHERFUCKER

    This one knows branching and looping. Knows a little bit about how objects work, does what is told, generally amicable. Devoid of passion but is afraid they'll fuck something up so they double check everything and make clean commits. Will act shocked if they have to learn something new that would take them out of their comfort zone. Extremely satisfied with the way things are going.

    Tech stack: Java or .NET

    Pros: Easy to work with. Not a Pain in the Ass. Overall a nice person.

    Cons: Adds to the Lowest common denominator problem.

    THE COMPLACENT CUNT

    This person is old. 35+
    Either queries the Database to generate reports or is in Devops or in a Client Facing role. Has a steps.txt file on his desktop that he usually uses to fix a fuckup that happens every 3 days but will not share it with anyone so no one knows what exactly the problem or the solution is. Basically thrives on arcane error messages for Job security. Does not upskill but whines about making too little every other day. Generally annoying person.

    Tech stack : No tech stack. Uses SSMS or Oracle developer. Fucks around with IIS and such.

    Pros: Has real insider knowledge of office dynamics by virtue of having been there too long. Powerful ally if you want to play the politics game.

    Cons: Can be replaced with a Tool or a script eliminating unwanted and annoying conversations.

    THE ONE TRICK PONY

    Self explanatory. Has only one fucking job. This person either makes builds, configures machines for new devs, or fucks around all day in JIRA or some shit

    Teck stack: No tech stack. Uses internal tools / JIRA

    Pros: Harmless

    Cons: Pisses you off frequently making you about how this person makes 10x what you make doing .1X of what you do.

    THE BLONDE / EYE CANDY

    Generally considered good looking. Only got a job because the interviewer likes her for all the wrong reasons. Does not know anything. Stupid as fuck.

    Example: I once had a blonde colleague who asked me how to convert a string to an int. Asked her to piss off and google it. comes back saying she's not able to figure it out. I go on to use "let me google that" and sent her exactly this http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=convert+string+to+int+c%23 . The answer is not even the first link, It is on the fucking page right at the top. Comes back saying can't figure it out. You curse under your breath and go type it in her screen.

    Teck stack: sucks in all of them.

    Pros: If you're into fooling around with colleagues this one has got you covered.

    Cons: Adds to the lowest common denom problem. Can usually beat you in an interview with half your skills or none at all

    I'm fucking tired. There's more to come.



  • THE HIPSTER CUNT

    This one knows JavaScript and Python and knows them well. Unit testing, CI and what not. Check Check Check. Open source contributions all over the place. Condescending as fuck. Generally considers anything except FOSS to be evil. Hates Microsoft by default. Has no social life and proud of it.

    Tech stack: Python, JS and JS Frameworks. Open source Databases only. AWS. Azure is evil.

    Pros: Extremely reliable when it comes to building quality stuff

    Cons: Coding is love, Coding is life!. Everything else is inferior.

    THE SUPREMELY INCOMPETENT PROJECT MANAGER

    This is the worst fucking person of the lot. Has two tabs open on Chrome. Facebook and Gmail. Fucks around with these two tabs all day. Ambiguous all the time. Does not know what she or he wants. Frequently says "Umm do that thing and thingy and umm do that and we ll figure it out" followed by "Scrape everything we did last week. We got it all wrong" and shows no remorse for wasting everyone's time. Usually the CEO's friend's son or something along those lines. Knows either the first version of Java 0.1 or C# 0.1.1.2 or Classic ASP.

    Pros: can influence your appraisal/raise

    Cons: Everything else. Solely responsible for driving you to drink.

    THE ANOMALY

    Not a rockstar. Writes decent code. Aware of Best Practices and tries to use them whenever possible. Knows how a business works. Pleasant to work with. Becomes your friend at some point. Makes coming to work a tad bit less depressing.

    Tech stack: Everything

    Pros: Everything above

    Cons: Is very optimistic and naïve and works long hours and weekends for no extra money. Takes to the bottle soon.



  • Seeing that how things are fucked up and there is no way I have control the Kind of job or the kind of people I want to work with, I have decided to play the game dirty.

    The hottest thing around here is Data Science and these roles pay handsomely. It is turning into the new .NET soooooo fast it is alarming. Me thinks I'll jump on the bandwagon make some money off all the Hype, save some, quit, go travel and then become a farmer. Or start my own business.

    The IT Industry as a whole here is a fucking disaster.



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    @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    Me thinks I'll jump on the bandwagon make some money off all the Hype, save some, quit, go travel and then become a farmer. Or start my own business.

    Move to a country where you don't have half the population shitting in public and the other half shitting in your software.



  • @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    This person is old. 35+

    😡



  • @hardwaregeek I take that back. Shit.


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    @pie_flavor said in Indian Recruiters:

    Move to a country where you don't have half the population shitting in public and the other half shitting in your software.

    :whynotboth.jiff:


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    @lolwhat said in Indian Recruiters:

    @pie_flavor said in Indian Recruiters:

    Move to a country where you don't have half the population shitting in public and the other half shitting in your software.

    :whynotboth.jiff:

    You're right, unfortunately the two do actually overlap.



  • @hardwaregeek said in Indian Recruiters:

    One thing I have noticed when dealing with recruiters for contract jobs in the US is there is a correlation between the payment rate and the ethnicity of the recruiter. If the recruiter asks what rate I want, I say $X. Most recruiters with European-derived names say "ok" or "that sounds about right." I've even had a couple say, "You're selling yourself short; the client has a standard rate of X+10 for somebody with your experience, and you should never consider less than X+5." Many US recruiters with Indian names will say, "The client's budget is only X-10." When I reluctantly agree, because I'm between jobs and even X-10 is better than 0, a few have come back a couple days later and tried to shave a few more bucks off of that.

    I don't really have enough data points to say it's more than a coincidence or confirmation bias or whatever, but it seems to me that the heavier the recruiter's accent, the more likely this is to happen. So if I can't understand the recruiter's voicemail, I just delete it, because chances are the job is going to be crappy anyway.

    It depends on what kind of company they're in.

    For common job agents, they get their pay as percentage of salary of successful candidate. So if you successfully apply for jobs referred by them, the more money you make, the more money they'd get. So they'll be on your side for making more money.

    If the people contacting you is from the recruiting company, or if they're from job agent that uses the mode of T-Con, they'll naturally want you to get hired for less money. (The mode of T-Con is that, the company that need people to work (client) gives a fixed amount of money to job agent (agent) for anyone to fill in the position. If in the end you're found to be successful applicant, the agent hires you instead of the client, using that block of money. They get the difference between the money and your salary)



  • What's really fun when you work with contractors is when they say things like 'implement design patterns' or don't write any code until you've all but dictated it.


  • Dupa

    @hardwaregeek said in Indian Recruiters:

    @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    I've also observed that recruiters ask for your current salary and when refused to disclose, act all pissed off. Why the fuck would I tell how much I'm making ?

    Unfortunately, that seems to be the way things work these days. I can see it from their point of view. If you're an experienced professional who expects, say, $50/hour and the client is looking to pay pseudo-competent H1-B drones $20, they can avoid wasting their time presenting you to the client, setting up interviews, etc. only to have you refuse over an irreconcilable difference in salary expectations. But it leaves no opportunity to negotiate the actual offer, if there is one.

    They can always ask “how much do you wanna make”. How much you make currently shouldn’t be a factor in anything. Especially not in how much they’re gonna offer you (and I know this kind of shit happens in the UK for example).

    Fortunately in Poland no one can ask you how much you make. Which of course doesn’t change the fact that a lot of those Polish branches of US or UK companies don’t care and still ask. And then act as if nothing happened when you decline and threaten them with labor law.


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    @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    @hardwaregeek I take that back. Shit.

    It's okay. You don't have to be nice to the old guys around here, they just want you to stay off their lawns.



  • @cheong said in Indian Recruiters:

    If in the end you're found to be successful applicant, the agent hires you instead of the client

    This, for both the bad and good recruiters. The good ones, however, understand that the contractor will jump ship at the end of the contract (or sooner) if they're being underpaid. Finding a good candidate that is attractive to the client is the hard part of what the agency does, so having found one, it is in the agency's interest to keep the contractor on-board. Also, in at least some cases, the client wants to know not only how much the agency is billing them, of course, but also how much of that is going to the employee, so they know the employee isn't being exploited. I'm not sure how common that is (nor whether the agencies tell the clients the truth), but I know I've seen that in at least a couple of the things I've signed.



  • @hardwaregeek said in Indian Recruiters:

    One thing I have noticed when dealing with recruiters for contract jobs in the US is there is a correlation between the payment rate and the ethnicity of the recruiter.

    Cultural background that expects haggling vs. one that doesn’t, perhaps?



  • @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    Me: Alright. I make XXXX and I -
    HR: Oh shi- * Hangs up the fucking phone *

    Better than the ones that make you go for 3 different interviews just to say they can't pay what you're asking for.



  • @hardwaregeek said in Indian Recruiters:

    @cheong said in Indian Recruiters:

    If in the end you're found to be successful applicant, the agent hires you instead of the client

    This, for both the bad and good recruiters. The good ones, however, understand that the contractor will jump ship at the end of the contract (or sooner) if they're being underpaid. Finding a good candidate that is attractive to the client is the hard part of what the agency does, so having found one, it is in the agency's interest to keep the contractor on-board. Also, in at least some cases, the client wants to know not only how much the agency is billing them, of course, but also how much of that is going to the employee, so they know the employee isn't being exploited. I'm not sure how common that is (nor whether the agencies tell the clients the truth), but I know I've seen that in at least a couple of the things I've signed.

    Well, the recruiter of the agent gain a percentage of the difference, so they're not interested whether you'll renew the contract later.

    On the other hand, it does mean that if you know you've performed well and the client will write good performance review for you, you can talk your pay up when renewing contract. Of course the pay has ceiling on how big that "block of money" is. but you can also talk up the other benefits, such as days of annual leaves.

    I know someone who was able to talk the leave days up to 21 days. That was much more than what the client would offer. But since the client also know the situation, as long as the leave days don't affect the project schedule, they'll not say anything on it.



  • @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    This person is old. 35+

    This is why high-level engineers hate you, by the way.



  • @gurth said in Indian Recruiters:

    Cultural background that expects haggling vs. one that doesn’t, perhaps?

    In employment, you haggle after the interview. The candidate has zero leverage before the interview.

    So they're still doing it wrong.



  • @dragnslcr said in Indian Recruiters:

    high-level engineers

    You merikans are so arrogant. Maybe the indians aren't producing good coders fast enough to supply the demand, but eventually they'll replace all of us. Hopefully not in our lifetimes.


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    @stillwater oh shit! I'm almost an Anomaly!



  • @cheong said in Indian Recruiters:

    you can also talk up the other benefits, such as days of annual leaves.

    Yeah, I can easily negotiate 2x the normal days of leave. Because 2x zero is still zero. As a contractor/consultant, I typically get paid more than an employee doing the same job, but only for billable hours. If my time can be billed to the client, I get paid; if not, I don't. Whether it's holidays, vacation, sick, not-working time between contracts, whatever — it all comes out of that extra money that I'm (theoretically) saving for such expenses. Until Obamacare's employer mandate, health insurance came out of that, too. (And that pile of extra money definitely wasn't big enough to cover that.)



  • @gurth said in Indian Recruiters:

    @hardwaregeek said in Indian Recruiters:

    One thing I have noticed when dealing with recruiters for contract jobs in the US is there is a correlation between the payment rate and the ethnicity of the recruiter.

    Cultural background that expects haggling vs. one that doesn’t, perhaps?

    Except the haggling comes before you agree to accept your rock-bottom minimum (and often sign something that says you'll accept that rate), not after.



  • @sockpuppet7 we're at least 20 years out on that. It's going to take some major educational reform. I think it'll happen, but it'll take some time.



  • @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    The IT Industry as a whole here is a fucking disaster.

    You say that as if you think it is different somewhere - anywhere - else.

    The major difference is that India has pushed hard to create an army of incompetent programmers on the principle of quantity over quality. Elsewhere, the same result occurs simply because there are vast armies of idiots who think money is falling out of the sky and don't understand what it takes to catch some of it. Six of one, half a dozen of another.

    There are quite a few capable programmers from India, simply because of the volume at which they stamp programmers out, but they get lost in the noise. The same is true elsewhere, though, even if the reason for it is different.

    As for interviews... I have often said that if I were pitted against my father - who knew next to nothing about computers despite being an early adopter (he had a frigging Kaypro 2 at one point, which was a CP/M machine built as a knockoff of the Osborne) but interviewed like crazy because he was a borderline psychopath - he'd get the job, even if it were for Lead Developer on the Windows kernel.

    Hiring interviews are inherently broken, and there is no way to fix them, nor any alternative to them which isn't worse.



  • @pie_flavor said in Indian Recruiters:

    @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    Me thinks I'll jump on the bandwagon make some money off all the Hype, save some, quit, go travel and then become a farmer. Or start my own business.

    Move to a country where you don't have half the population shitting in public and the other half shitting in your software.

    Meh, I can't fault the Indian government for trying to lift the population out of poverty en masse, and I will admit that IT seems like a really appealing way to do it. The problem is, turning the country into a Planet of Hats for programming and tech support only leads to a lot of incapable coders and helldesk techs, and fails to address the more fundamental economic and social problems.



  • @scholrlea said in Indian Recruiters:

    The problem is, turning the country into a Planet of Hats for programming and tech support only leads to a lot of incapable coders and helldesk techs, and fails to address the more fundamental economic and social problems.

    Thisssssssssss. People do not understand absurdly simple things.



  • @scholrlea said in Indian Recruiters:

    You say that as if you think it is different somewhere - anywhere - else.

    In my mind, It is all amazing code, 100% Code coverage, Solid Version Control, No Politics, Great Hiring processes and everybody knows what the fuck they're doing. I guess I'm wrong. 😞

    @scholrlea said in Indian Recruiters:

    As for interviews... I have often said that if I were pitted against my father - who knew next to nothing about computers despite being an early adopter (he had a frigging Kaypro 2 at one point, which was a CP/M machine built as a knockoff of the Osborne) but interviewed like crazy because he was a borderline psychopath - he'd get the job, even if it were for Lead Developer on the Windows kernel.

    I would love to learn how to interview like crazy. I usually lose all momentum when I come after an interview where it was all about the Interviewer trying to show off what he knows instead of doing an actual interview. Goddamn.



  • @hardwaregeek said in Indian Recruiters:

    Yeah, I can easily negotiate 2x the normal days of leave. Because 2x zero is still zero. As a contractor/consultant, I typically get paid more than an employee doing the same job, but only for billable hours. If my time can be billed to the client, I get paid; if not, I don't.

    You're basically your own boss. I've been looking to transition into being a Consultant but have so many questions and the internet has got extremely vague information about it and I usually go back to working for someone else. I'd gladly settle for zero days of leave If I can control literally everything else about the job



  • @sockpuppet7 said in Indian Recruiters:

    You merikans are so arrogant. Maybe the indians aren't producing good coders fast enough to supply the demand, but eventually they'll replace all of us. Hopefully not in our lifetimes.

    When we take over all of your jobs. Everything is gonna be broken start to end. we will literally setback Scientific Advancement by a good 50 years and everything will be Java and Spring and zero testing.

    But yeah, hopefully not in our lifetimes.



  • @dragnslcr said in Indian Recruiters:

    This is why high-level engineers hate you, by the way.

    For me old is 30. And I myself am borderline old.What I meant by my original post was someone who started their career at 21, who has worked for 15 - 16 years who's been in the industry for so long, does not know shit that is there on the first page of the official docs.



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  • @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    You're basically your own boss.

    Not really. I am an employee of a consulting company. That's a fairly hands-off relationship. They process my time-sheets and payroll, provide me with insurance, 401(k) (no matching), and line up the next assignment for me.

    I also report to a manager at the client company. The manager assigns tasks and deadlines, and I am responsible for completing them on time, as best I can. I have to notify the manager (in advance, if possible) if I'm going to take time off due to illness, holidays, or whatever. Basically, it's just like being an employee of the client, except it's temporary, and my paycheck and benefits come from the consulting company instead of the client.

    I don't really recommend it. I've always looked at it as a way to earn money between permanent jobs, but it's looking more and more like it's what I'll probably be doing for the rest of my career. About the only real advantages are that you get experience with a broader set of tools than you might working for a single company for a long time, and you get to move on to a new project before you get too bored. That's countered by the fact that you're usually coming onto a project late and trying to catch up to the knowledge of the employees who have been working on it since day one, and just when you feel like you're getting there, it's time to start over on another project at another company. At least, that's how I feel; it's a constant battle with impostor syndrome.

    @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    I would love to learn how to interview like crazy.

    So would I. I was told by one former boss, "You're a good engineer, but you interview like shit."



  • @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    In my mind, It is all amazing code, 100% Code coverage, Solid Version Control, No Politics, Great Hiring processes and everybody knows what the fuck they're doing. I guess I'm wrong.

    undefined If that were true, there would be nothing to write about on TDWTF.



  • @stillwater said in Indian Recruiters:

    I would love to learn how to interview like crazy.

    No you don't. Trust me. Why do I say this? Because the key phrase earlier was 'borderline psychopath'. Being good at interviewing, like being an effective political candidate, is 90% being able to lie without compunction and with absolute conviction, 9% being able to project a false sense of empathy, and 1% being willing to do anything to get what you want without reservation, regardless of who gets hurt or how badly so long as it isn't you.

    Now, this sort of behavior makes sense in electoral politics, because it is the required skillset for leadership (it is not the require skills set for administering a government, but that's not an issue because, as I have said before, the elected officials only really make decisions if there is an emergency that requires immediate action - 99.9% of the time, the real decisions of any government larger than a town council are made by thousands of data analysts who are unaware that they are making decisions at all, and the elected 'leaders' exist for show, being there mainly to satisfy the human biological need for a social hierarchy).

    For computer programming? Not so much.



  • @stillwater I don't believe that, the market will change. It's too slow to have an impact in our lives, but everything changes all the time.


  • And then the murders began.

    @hardwaregeek said in Indian Recruiters:

    Not really. I am an employee of a consulting company. That's a fairly hands-off relationship. They process my time-sheets and payroll, provide me with insurance, 401(k) (no matching), and line up the next assignment for me.

    I also report to a manager at the client company. The manager assigns tasks and deadlines, and I am responsible for completing them on time, as best I can. I have to notify the manager (in advance, if possible) if I'm going to take time off due to illness, holidays, or whatever. Basically, it's just like being an employee of the client, except it's temporary, and my paycheck and benefits come from the consulting company instead of the client.

    That sounds like you work for a temp agency, not a consulting company.



  • @unperverted-vixen Consulting, temp, outsourcing, whatever you want to call it. The projects typically last 6 to 18 months; that's longer than what I typically think of as temping, but whatever.



  • @hardwaregeek said in Indian Recruiters:

    So if I can't understand the recruiter's voicemail, I just delete it, because chances are the job is going to be crappy anyway.

    I added a new contact to my phone today — "Fast-talking Recruiter I Can't Understand" — just so I could more easily ignore calls from that number. I think he had an Indian accent, but I'm not really sure, because I couldn't hear him well enough. In addition to talking very quickly, it sounded like his phone was wrapped in corroded tin foil. I didn't catch his name, company or call-back number; the only reason I even know it was a recruiter was that I managed to make out the words "verification engineer" in the middle of the noise.


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