If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water
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@benjamin-hall said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
The cold fusion hoax was back in the 90s
80s.
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@benjamin-hall said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
And made basically no progress.
Progress has been made, but the current operational system is reckoned to be just not suitable for making it to being economic. It's currently being used to test systems for ITER.
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@benjamin-hall said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
For that matter, $70 billion is what, 3 big aircraft carriers? (WAG).
Carriers aren't as expensive as you think; you'd get at least six for $70 billion. But close enough for your purposes.
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@heterodox curious--does that include the full fighter compliment? Either way, I'm glad to be within a factor of two for a WAG.
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@benjamin-hall said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@heterodox curious--does that include the full fighter compliment? Either way, I'm glad to be within a factor of two for a WAG.
No. If you add the fighter complement, then your WAG would actually be almost spot on. Call it about $190 million per aircraft, about 60 aircraft per carrier. Still discounting the armament for the carrier and the aircraft themselves there.
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@heterodox so if you also add all the rest of the battle group, you're looking at about 1 full up carrier group for 70 billion US. Interesting.
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@benjamin-hall But, of course, they are instantly useful for cowing third world autocracies and clearing one's throat menacingly when upstart regional powers step out of line. As opposed to vaporware fusion generators.
Of course, we have useful fusion, too, hiding in the deeps of the oceans.
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@antiquarian said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@boomzilla brb moving to the country to sell well water
Well water is better than that stuff. It comes from the water table and has been filtered by the ground.
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@xaade said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Well water
iscan be better than that stuff.It really depends on your aquifer, I have seen some nasty well water before.
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@xaade said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Well water is better than that stuff. It comes from the water table and has been filtered by the ground.
Does that mean they will pay even more for it?
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@dragoon said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@xaade said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Well water
iscan be better than that stuff.It really depends on your aquifer, I have seen some nasty well water before.
Yeah, like the aquifer south of San Jose. Perchlorate.
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@antiquarian said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@xaade said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Well water is better than that stuff. It comes from the water table and has been filtered by the ground.
Does that mean they will pay even more for it?
I thought the goal was to avoid filtration.
The actual water has to be diluted by contaminates enough to work.
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@xaade said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@antiquarian said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@xaade said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Well water is better than that stuff. It comes from the water table and has been filtered by the ground.
Does that mean they will pay even more for it?
I thought the goal was to avoid filtration.
The actual water has to be diluted by contaminates enough to work.
Maybe they could "filter" it with the corpse of a dead possum that's been packed with fecal matter and left in a swamp in the sun for a couple weeks.
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@xaade I don't really care as long as I get paid.
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@antiquarian said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@xaade I don't really care as long as I get paid.
Just be careful you don't get sued by the government for using your own water.
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@mott555 @Lorne-Kates probably has a few dead hooker corpses that he could donate.
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I know the something-something-comics thread is but this is topical:
http://www.threepanelsoul.com/comic/homecoming
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I grew up drinking water pumped from a spring. It tasted subtly different every day and the lack of fluoride is probably part of the reason for my bad teeth these days
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@jaloopa said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
fluoride
I have near-perfect teeth, probably because my mother fed me fluoride tablets as a child. Every dentist I've had had been surprised at how good they are. I got my first and only filling when I was 28, and that was almost definitely because when I was 18-23 or so I would drink between 1.25 and 2 litres of Coke a day. Now I can't stand it.
But I wouldn't drink raw water! It's worse than getting those crystals that apparently align the ions or whatever magic they are supposed to do. Probably not as bad as chicken sashimi though...
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@zemm said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
But I wouldn't drink raw water! It's worse than getting those crystals that apparently align the ions or whatever magic they are supposed to do. Probably not as bad as aged chicken sashimi though...
Fixed. Because fresh chicken sashimi is probably still better.
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@polygeekery said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@boomzilla said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
But holy shit, that's expensive:
That includes the delivery charge. They could bring that price down a lot if they had some sort of pipeline delivery system...
I hear Flint is looking to replace their water pipes, maybe they can buy them used to save startup costs.
edititalicised textffffffffffffffffffffffffffff https://what.thedailywtf.com/post/1287038
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@boomzilla I like the conclusion:
In all likelihood, it’s not the water that’s gross. It’s you.
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@remi OMG. I didn't even click on the link, but it even starts out perfectly awful:
Even in an industry known for tone-deaf excess, Silicon Valley’s “raw water” trend resonated as especially contemptible—selling unfiltered spring water as a luxury good while other American citizens continue to lack access to fresh water following a natural disaster certainly embodies the worst of American capitalism.
It's not contemptible for being "an excess!" It's contemptible because it's reckless and stupid! And lack of fresh water after a disaster is due to the fucking disaster.
But I would accept that a lot of water in nature is basically safe to drink. There's just no way to tell for sure when you're hiking or camping.
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@boomzilla said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@remi OMG. I didn't even click on the link, but it even starts out perfectly awful:
Even in an industry known for tone-deaf excess, Silicon Valley’s “raw water” trend resonated as especially contemptible—selling unfiltered spring water as a luxury good while other American citizens continue to lack access to fresh water following a natural disaster certainly embodies the worst of American capitalism.
It's not contemptible for being "an excess!" It's contemptible because it's reckless and stupid! And lack of fresh water after a disaster is due to the fucking disaster.
But I would accept that a lot of water in nature is basically safe to drink. There's just no way to tell for sure when you're hiking or camping.
And dying of dehydration due to unstoppable diarrhea is rather unpleasant.
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@boomzilla said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
But I would accept that a lot of water in nature is basically safe to drink. There's just no way to tell for sure when you're hiking or camping.
The tone of the article is awful (in parts). After that, it's up to you to decide whether you want to worry about that specific risk, and bother about carrying (buying, cleaning, using...) the required equipment. In most places where I'm likely to hike, I wouldn't bother and would just use an ounce of common sense instead (don't drink where someone pees, basically). I'm far more likely to hurt myself in other ways.
You won't die because you drank a couple of cups of less-than-perfectly-clean water. You won't even be sick, unless you're already very weak (but then what are you doing hiking?). At worst your stomach will gurgle a bit, which you won't be able to distinguish from eating a couple of wild berries or some unusual pack lunch.
I wouldn't buy "raw" water though. Drinking whatever water you happen to find is one thing, specifically going out of my way to drink something less safe is another entirely stupid and moronic thing. I usually would say "to each their own" and "if they find morons ready to give them money for that, good for them", except that in this case there is an obvious health risk, so it can only end badly.
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@remi There's another difference. Most outdoor people I know are fairly pragmatic about this. So even if you're comfortable drinking untreated water that you find while hiking, given the choice between a source of clean/filtered/treated water and a random spring next to each other, most likely, you'd go for the treated water. The "raw water" people go for the random spring, and pay $$$ for the privilege of doing so.
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@cvi said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@remi There's another difference. Most outdoor people I know are fairly pragmatic about this. So even if you're comfortable drinking untreated water that you find while hiking, given the choice between a source of clean/filtered/treated water and a random spring next to each other, most likely, you'd go for the treated water.
Definitely, yes. But that's like saying that given the choice between walking on a trail or trudging through bushes and brambles one feet away from the trail, most people would pick the trail. I don't think that any hiker (well, any reasonable one... there are always exceptions) will go out of their way to reject something safer.
The "raw water" people go for the random spring, and pay $$$ for the privilege of doing so.
They are dumb, I think we all agree on that part.
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@remi said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
In most places where I'm likely to hike, I wouldn't bother and would just use an ounce of common sense instead
The study on which the article bases its claim that unfiltered water is safe found that a "minority" of water samples were contaminated with fecal coliform bacteria. That's technically true; 40% is less than 50%, so it is a minority. However, it's a rather large minority.
Also, that study sampled water from only a single park. And it's a 25 year old study, not reflective of the current state of contamination. Extrapolating this to claim that untreated water in general is safe is not scientifically justifiable.
Finally, I love how the article turns it into a race and privilege issue:
Because the outdoor recreation community is far whiter, wealthier, and better educated than the U.S. population at large, it’s an interesting case study in how misinformation propagates through privileged communities.
@remi said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
don't drink where someone pees, basically
Squirrels, deer, bears, etc. are not known for observing good hygiene. They pee and poop wherever they happen to be when nature calls, even in the middle of the wilderness stream.
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@hardwaregeek said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
The study on which the article bases its claim that unfiltered water is safe found that a "minority" of water samples were contaminated with fecal coliform bacteria. That's technically true; 40% is less than 50%, so it is a minority. However, it's a rather large minority.
Not to mention, of course, that fecal coliform bacteria is harmless and is only used as an indicator of real potential disease causers, so it's possible that the statistic is much lower or higher than that for actual danger.
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@pie_flavor said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
Most fecal coliform bacteria is harmless, but some strains of E. coli are seriously pathogenic.
FTFY
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@cvi said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
The "raw water" people go for the random spring, and pay $$$ for the privilege of doing so.
Not quite. They will pay $$$ to have somebody bottle up water from this random spring and bring it to their lazy ass.
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@remi said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
don't drink where someone pees, basically
Fecal contamination is the one that you should worry about.
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@anotherusername said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
@remi said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
don't drink where someone pees, basically
Fecal contamination is the one that you should worry about.
Yeah! Drinking pee water is totally healthy and beneficial in small amounts!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in If cold-pressed juice isn't for you, try some "raw" water:
What about when you drink where some bird poops?
Even better! All natural cleansing purge from all those toxic chemicals in Big Water