Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?



  • A colleague sitting next to me is a smoker who has recently switched to e-cigs.

    Since there is no typical second hand smoke coming out, he considers it ok to smoke those things while working. Also, laws are currently not prohibiting e-cigs, just ordinary cigars (according to him).

    I, however, can still smell the smoke (vapor?) coming out of those things and it's disgusting. Since I am always too hot, we have compromised he can smoke e-cigs while the window is open (the cold sensitive junior, on the other hand, is less thrilled with the deal).

    What do you think? Are e-cig vapors harmful? Should he be allowed to smoke them indoors? What are the rules in your workplace?



  • @cartman82 I've never smelled anything out of an e-cig. And I hate the smell of tobacco smoke with a passion, so I'd speak up if I did. Maybe it depends on the e-cig model or what they put in it. A former colleague smoked that inside, but he always asked first, and it didn't smell. If your colleague's e-cig smells disgusting, then he should go outside to smoke it. It'd be the same thing with strong-smelling food.



  • @khudzlin said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    It'd be the same thing with strong-smelling food.

    No cup-a-soup at the desk, thank you.



  • @cartman82

    Short Answer - No.

    Long Answer - HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOOOO



  • @cartman82 said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    A colleague sitting next to me is a smoker who has recently switched to e-cigs.

    Since there is no typical second hand smoke coming out, he considers it ok to smoke those things while working. Also, laws are currently not prohibiting e-cigs, just ordinary cigars (according to him).

    I, however, can still smell the smoke (vapor?) coming out of those things and it's disgusting. Since I am always too hot, we have compromised he can smoke e-cigs while the window is open (the cold sensitive junior, on the other hand, is less thrilled with the deal).

    What do you think? Are e-cig vapors harmful? Should he be allowed to smoke them indoors? What are the rules in your workplace?

    On the harmfulness, all studies so far point to no.

    However it's a smell and therefore unless everyone has individually confirmed they don't mind he should do it outdoors. I used to stand outside with mine.

    @pleegwat said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    No cup-a-soup at the desk, thank you.

    A coworker brings fish in and heats it up in the microwave. Why would anyone do this.



  • @khudzlin said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    @cartman82 I've never smelled anything out of an e-cig. And I hate the smell of tobacco smoke with a passion, so I'd speak up if I did.

    Interesting. Maybe his thing is broken.

    The others in the room have also said it smells, they just don't care (because they are hard core smokers themselves).

    @khudzlin said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    It'd be the same thing with strong-smelling food.

    I am sometimes guilty of that. So I can't be too high and mighty regarding his cigars in that sense.


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    @cartman82 said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    What are the rules in your workplace?

    All types of smoking materials are absolutely not allowed to be used in any of our buildings. Indeed, they're not even supposed to be used until you're at least 5m away from any entrances or open windows, though enforcement of that is utterly patchy (and much more likely with cigarettes than e-cigs; the former stink way more than the latter). Generally speaking, though e-cigs are in the same formal position as ordinary cigarettes, enforcement actions against them are a lot less common (e.g., nobody really minds people using them on uncovered train platforms, unlike cigarettes).

    I remember how things were when smoking was allowed inside. The building's head porter was a key bastion of smoking and was a cantankerous git who nobody wanted to cross, not even the head of the department. Lots of people were quietly glad when he died of lung cancer. Also the air inside our buildings is now far less awful; the main problems now tend to be those people who insist on using lots of scent and deodorant (which often have quite nasty solvents IMO). Or you're in a literal chemistry lab where volatiles are being worked with, but those have excellent ventilation with good reason. 😉


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    @cursorkeys said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    On the harmfulness, all studies so far point to no.

    Formally, the studies indicate that e-cig vapour is hugely less harmful than cigarette or cigar smoke. (Not difficult, the reduced level of carbon monoxide and tars kind of guarantees that!) What they don't say is that it is not harmful at all; it's still crap that doesn't really belong in the lungs.

    Some of the liquids smell a lot more than others. I really don't like being near anyone who uses one of the very strawberry ones; while I like eating strawberries a lot, I don't want to breathe them…



  • @dkf My brother recently celebrated his birthday and invited us to a small private back room in a pub where he and his friends smoked quite a bit (such rooms are the only places in pubs where smoking is allowed. Others try to get around the smoking ban by declaring their pub to be a "private club" where you have to apply for membership first).

    It has been quite a while since I was last subjected to this kind of assault. I also didn't expect it which is why I didn't bring much in the way of spare clothes. I made a point of apologizing to my neighbour seat in the train on my way back because I reeked like a cold ashtray.

    Anyway, @cartman82, the smell might also stem from him using not pure tobacco liquid but something with additives.



  • @cursorkeys said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    I used to stand outside with mine.

    The entire point of taking up smoking at work, e-cigs or not, is so that you can fuck off away from your desk every once in a while. Why would anyone give that up?



  • @dkf said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    The building's head porter was a key bastion of smoking and was a cantankerous git who nobody wanted to cross, not even the head of the department. Lots of people were quietly glad when he died of lung cancer.

    That seems like the ultimate solution for the smoking problem.



  • @dkf said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    (Not difficult, the reduced level of carbon monoxide and tars kind of guarantees that!)

    I've seen suggestions that a huge amount of lung cancer from tobacco might also be due to the fact that tobacco fixes Polonium-210 in its leaves in higher rates than other plants. And since 210Po is an alpha particle emitter...


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    @cartman82 one would think, but people are still doing it...



  • @rhywden said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    It has been quite a while since I was last subjected to this kind of assault. I also didn't expect it which is why I didn't bring much in the way of spare clothes. I made a point of apologizing to my neighbour seat in the train on my way back because I reeked like a cold ashtray.

    Back when I used to be surrounded by smokers all the time, this didn't bother me too much. Now that I am almost never inhaling second hand smoke, at times when I do, it's doubly annoying.


  • BINNED

    @cartman82 said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    Also, laws are currently not prohibiting e-cigs, just ordinary cigars (according to him).

    Over here EU laws are in effect, which pretty much treat them the same as regular cigarettes. I think the only bit that's different is that the bottles don't have to have those lovely photos on them. Other than that - no vaping where smoking isn't allowed, all the products have to be kept behind closed doors and not displayed and all that jazz, same shit. Plus a few stupid ones to boot (Bottles can be 10ml max? What? What does that accomplish?)



  • Anybody know how these things interact with (optical) smoke detectors? My guess would be that they actually might trigger.

    Either way, I'm 99% sure that any kind of smoking (electronic or not) is a no-go around here.



  • @cartman82 said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    I, however, can still smell the smoke (vapor?) coming out of those things and it's disgusting.

    My experience is that the smell is very dependent on the flavour that the smoker has picked. It can vary from basically no smell (just water vapour, I guess?) to puke-inducing mix of artificial flavourings (think about mixing all kinds of possible fruits and flower, and maybe add caramel, or whatever else you can think of...). Some people apparently like to try different flavours regularly.

    Anyway, rules here are that e-cigs are treated like regular ones, so no one is allowed to use them indoor.

    (also, a fireman in a training recently told us that some smoke detectors can be triggered by e-cigs, so depending on what's in your office, this might be a good argument to ban them indoor!)



  • @cartman82 said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    Are e-cig vapors harmful?

    No.

    Should he be allowed to smoke them indoors?

    Qualified no in this instance (strongly flavoured liquid one suspects.) See also: strong perfume, strong smelling food, body odour.

    What are the rules in your workplace?

    Banned.

    @onyx said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    Over here EU laws are in effect, which pretty much treat them the same as regular cigarettes.

    Worse. Producers of e-cig equipment have to put warning labels on them that are outright lies/utter bollocks*:

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    Note that the small print (you did see it didn't you?) is not part of the regulations.


    * Delete as applicable.


  • Grade A Premium Asshole

    I'm a smoker but an e-cig in the workplace seems like a dick move, even if it's not harmful and doesn't smell as bad as cigarettes. Not everyone might be aware it's just steam instead of cigarette smoke and it's just going to lead to unnecessary misunderstandings if the office sees any amount of outside traffic. And when there's someone who can actually smell it and hates it, that's a no-brainer, take it outside - the smelly food analogy seems pretty apt, eat your fish and smelly cheese at home, dude.

    (I don't even know what the rules in my workplace are about this, it's probably banned but I don't think anyone even thinks of trying to vape inside.)


  • SockDev

    @cartman82 said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:

    he considers it ok to smoke those things while working

    there are two options here:

    1. He's an asshole for not considering his coworkers when smoking at his desk
    2. he's an asshole for only failing to smoke actual cigars at his desk because of the law.

    to which there is only one correct response

    1. Disabuse him and force him to smoke outside because YICK!

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