"gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance
-
As seen on /. gedit is apparently no longer being maintained:
The previous maintainer is looking for a successor, but warns/rants that it's written in 4 languages.
Which brings me to today's side WTF: who the hell uses gedit in the first place? As another poster succinctly summarizes: (https://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6261117&cid=48503821)
You're absolutely right. Hipsters are killing open source projects left and right with their fucking awful UI changes.
Just look at what happened to gedit. It's a text editor that comes with GNOME.
Gedit used to look like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Gedit2261.png
It had a clean, usable, consistent UI. The major functionality was easily available, and the UI was extremely intuitive and efficient to use.The hipsters can't stand for usable software, of course. It needed to be "improved"!
This is what gedit looks like more recently: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Gedit_3.11.92.png
I'm not joking. That's really what it looks like. Using it is even worse than it looks.
This thing has about feature parity with notepad, with added bonus of eye-cancer inducing UI. There's dozens of reasonable text editors to choose from, like kwrite/kate, sublime, or for people hating sane keyboard shortcuts there's always vim/emacs.
And get the fucking toolbar buttons out of my window decorations. (You too, MS/Apple)I don't so much hope gedit dies in a fire, I hope GNOME does.
-
This is my story everytime after a fresh install of Linux .
- Double click to open some random large text file, gedit opens (me having forgotten how awful it is, continue).
- CtrlF then type 'something' then hit enter, then to look further around that text I hit Esc only to realize in the hipster world that means going to the start of the file! To stop search you have to use the mouse to close the damn dialog. Gedit is of course slow as hell to open the damn large text because it tries to parse things in some inefficient manner
- I still do not budge. There is now this other text log file from some serial console that has non-ascii random chars in line 40000 because some bit is wrong. And gedit self-righteously tries to help and interpret things as UTF, or not. It fucking hangs all the time.
- I install LeafPad uninstall gedit and make sure mimes are correctly use it by default
Also pdf files in gedit always show some random and meaningless title, they apparently read from some tag that no pdf writer fills in with a good title.
Fucking kill the bastard, along with most of Gnome and just improve the Cinnamon DE
-
Well why not hire a developer?
They got a whopping $211,474 in income last year. Surely if free software is so much better than commercial software they won't have a problem coming up with another $70,000 or so for a good developer to maintain all that boring stuff.
-
@anonymous234
$70,000? I'll delete their repository for free.
-
@ben_lubar what is this?
Ă—ERROR
WiredTigerIndex::insert: key too large to index, failing 1333 { : "pid:1201586:revisions", : "{"pid":1201586,"uid":140716,"tid":23528,"content":"This is my story everytime after a fresh install of Linux .\n1. Double click to open some random la..." }I cannot edit my post to correct the key
-
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
kwrite/kate
OTHER TOOLKIT HISSSSSS
Seriously though, GNOME and KDE might as well be considered OSs because I'm pretty sure they provide more useful services than "GNU/Linux". So it's sad to see so much effort building everything twice, when there's not exactly a lot to spare.
But I guess such is the nature of FOSS.
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
And get the fucking toolbar buttons out of my window decorations. (You too, MS/Apple)
Why though?
-
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
@anonymous234
$70,000? I'll delete their repository for free.@wharrgarbl alt confirmed
-
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
Gedit used to look like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Gedit2261.png
It had a clean, usable, consistent UI. The major functionality was easily available, and the UI was extremely intuitive and efficient to use.Jesus my retinas! Ouch!
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
This is what gedit looks like more recently: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Gedit_3.11.92.png
Well at least the colors aren't physically seared into my brain.
-
@blakeyrat
It's always been ugly-ish, but that's because- Ubuntu's color theme is awful
- the icon set is ugly
- the font looks like shit.
But that's just a theming issue. At least conceptually it looks the way it should look.
The new screenshot has a nicer font and text colors, but the UI is just scrambled nonsense.
-
Seeing the latest Gedit makes me so happy the Cinnamon devs forked the Gnome apps and brought them in a sane direction. I do prefer my UIs to be not awful.
-
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
This thing has about feature parity with notepad
No, notepad still can't understand any other line ending beside CR/LF
-
@timebandit said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
This thing has about feature parity with notepad
No, notepad still can't understand any other line ending beside CR/LF
I thought they fixed that around when Windows 7 came out. Mind you, it still can't save any line format other than CR/LF.
Edit: For future reference, this is still broken in Windows 10, I just checked.
-
@powerlord said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
I thought they fixed that around when Windows 7 came out.
nope.
-
@atazhaia huh I use Cinnamon (Fedora spin) but did not know about xed. They should have something like
what's new
dialog on first install or something.
-
I'm not too ashamed to say that when I was younger, and slinging php, gedit was my editor of choice.
Then I came to my senses and found sublime.
-
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
I don't so much hope gedit dies in a fire, I hope GNOME does.
i dont get why gnu supports gnome
nothing but suck has ever come out of that project
and i bet most of gnu/fsf's funds go to gnome
-
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
This thing has about feature parity with notepad
So, Notepad has syntax highlighting, plugins and understands different line endings now?
…yeah, that's what I thought.
-
@asdf said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
…yeah, that's what I thought.
gedit is more like notepad+-
Not notepad++
-
@morowhat said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
i dont get why gnu supports gnome
It has “gn” in the name.
-
@asdf
It's obviously a quip. Notepad is just a native edit window with a menu bar, it doesn't even try to be more useful.
At least it doesn't have a hamburger menu.
-
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
Gedit used to look like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Gedit2261.png
This is what gedit looks like more recently: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Gedit_3.11.92.png
Ah, see, you're mistaking two different editors for each other. There's Gedit 2 (the good one) and Gedit 3 (the spawn of the devil). Easy mistake to make.
Edit: removed collapsed quotes.
-
for many years i used to think gnustep was the official gnu desktop not gnome
-
@morowhat said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
for many gyears i used to gthink gnustep was the gofficial gnu gdesktop not gnome
GTFY ;)
-
@raceprouk said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
for many gyears i used to gthink gnustep was the gofficial gnu gdesktop not gnome
and then the gmurders began.
-
@morowhat said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
@raceprouk said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
for many gyears i used to gthink gnustep was the gofficial gnu gdesktop not gnome
and then the gmurders began.
Gno Gnomes!? Oops, wrong forum
-
@morowhat said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
for many years i used to think gnustep was the official gnu desktop not gnome
Given that GNU is still Stallman's pet project, I'm pretty sure its official "desktop" is the VGA-compatible text mode.
-
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
And get the fucking toolbar buttons out of my window decorations. (You too, MS/Apple)
I don't even care about buttons on decorations - just keep your goddamned hamburger menus out of my everything that's not a phone. AND NOT LIKE THIS EITHER, WHAT THE FUCK
-
@dse Yeah, same here. Also I just found out evince has a saner fork too: xreader.
-
@julianlam said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
Then I came to my senses and found sublime.
And then you lost your sanity and started using NodeJS
-
@timebandit said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
@julianlam said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
Then I came to my senses and found sublime.
And then you lost your sanity and started using NodeJS
Maintaining your sanity in IT is a constant struggle…
-
@blek said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
I don't even care about buttons on decorations - just keep your goddamned hamburger menus out of my everything that's not a phone. AND NOT LIKE THIS EITHER, WHAT THE FUCK
Now that Ubuntu is switching to GNOME 3, I have some hope that they'll write some shell extensions to fix the menu.
-
@anonymous234 said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
kwrite/kate
OTHER TOOLKIT HISSSSSS
Seriously though, GNOME and KDE might as well be considered OSs because I'm pretty sure they provide more useful services than "GNU/Linux". So it's sad to see so much effort building everything twice, when there's not exactly a lot to spare.
But I guess such is the nature of FOSS.
GNOME2 was designed with UI elements similar to Windows, so Windows users would find it easier to work with than KDE.
Oh the good old days....
-
@powerlord said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
I thought they fixed that around when Windows 7 came out. Mind you, it still can't save any line format other than CR/LF.
Edit: For future reference, this is still broken in Windows 10, I just checked.It's not broken, the entire point of Notepad is to provide a backwards-compatibility option for people with DOS text files they need to open. It's not Microsoft's fault people are (stupidly) using it for other things than that.
-
@blek You know that menu in Windows still works:
As a concession to muscle-memory. (Even I, a guy who grew up on Macs, sometimes double-clicked it to close windows if it was more convenient.)
It's just invisible now.
-
@blakeyrat That's a right click context menu, right? The one I posted is different. The icon there isn't a window decoration, it's a button that just also like the program's icon, and the menu appears on left click. It only happens with a few applications so it's completely inconsistent with anything else.
-
@blek I think the one blakey shows there is the alt+space menu.
-
@pleegwat said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
@blek I think the one blakey shows there is the alt+space menu.
It also exists as a hidden button in the top-left corner of the window chrome. Double-clicking it kills the window. It used to have a visible button, but I don't remember when that changed. Windows 95? Windows XP?
Edit: It seems to have varying effects in various programs. Chrome, a single click opens the menu and a double-click closes the window. Discord maximizes on double click, nothing on single. Steam doesn't have that hidden button.
-
@benjamin-hall said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
Chrome, a single click opens the menu and a double-click closes the window.
It uses the Windows standard window chrome, but overrides its appearance.
@benjamin-hall said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
Discord maximizes on double click, nothing on single. Steam doesn't have that hidden button.
These disable the standard window chrome (with what I believe are called 'borderless windows').
-
@raceprouk Ah. Further experimentation shows that the Office products behave like Chrome (hiding the button, but closing on double-click).
-
@benjamin-hall said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
It also exists as a hidden button in the top-left corner of the window chrome. Double-clicking it kills the window. It used to have a visible button, but I don't remember when that changed. Windows 95? Windows XP?
From 95 on, the button in the upper left corner got changed for the program’s icon, but clicking it had the same effect as clicking the button that was there in Windows 3.x — in other words, they put the icon on the button and made the rest of it transparent. XP was the same, as I recall, but I don’t know about later versions as I’ve had very little exposure to them.
-
@blakeyrat said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
It's not broken, the entire point of Notepad is to provide a backwards-compatibility option for people with DOS text files they need to open. It's not Microsoft's fault people are (stupidly) using it for other things than that.
Microsoft disagree with your description.
Yes, it's broken
-
@timebandit said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
@blakeyrat said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
It's not broken, the entire point of Notepad is to provide a backwards-compatibility option for people with DOS text files they need to open. It's not Microsoft's fault people are (stupidly) using it for other things than that.
Microsoft disagree with your description.
Yes, it's broken
So now you are making @blakeyrat choose between him being wrong and talking out his ass or Microsoft being wrong and not the pinnacle of perfection?
This will likely break blakey's positronic brain.
-
@gurth In windows 10 it seems that some windows have an icon-button (Explorer), some (Chrome) have an invisible button, and some override everything and have neither (although they might have an area where double-clicking maximizes the window).
Windows Store apps (including the built-in ones) have the name of the app in the title bar which acts as the icon and the button. I'm guessing that this is the default and expected behavior but, as usual, developers pay little attention to the UX design guidance.
-
@pleegwat said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
@blek I think the one blakey shows there is the alt+space menu.
Isn't that the VR place that's shutting down?
-
@polygeekery said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
blakey's positronic brain.
Huh, I thought he had a better brain than that...
-
@gurth The Control Menu (Alt-Space menu) is there in Windows 10, showing the application's icon, if the application doesn't override the standard window controls. Sadly, too many programs nowadays override the standard window controls for no good reason. :(
Modern UI applications don't show the icon, presumably because they didn't need one with the limited set of positions allowed for them (fullscreen or snapped) in Windows 8. Wedging in minimize/maximize/restore icons came later, but they didn't bother to wedge the application icon back in. If you have a contrary color set for an accent color on Windows 10 you can see that the standard window chrome for a Modern UI app is a 1px box around the outside of the window (so they're only affected by the accent color if they feel like it). The annoyingly acrylic Calculator is a good one for this, as it's one of the few applications (at least on this machine) that gets brighter and more readable when you select another window.
Microsoft's changes in direction from 7 to 8 to 8.1 to 10 really did a number on everyone making applications that aren't just a website in a box.
-
@topspin said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
@asdf
It's obviously a quip. Notepad is just a native edit window with a menu bar, it doesn't even try to be more useful.
At least it doesn't have a hamburger menu.Please don't give any interns ideas...
-
@benjamin-hall said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
It also exists as a hidden button in the top-left corner of the window chrome.
Except on Firefox. (alt+space and r-click work)
Of course, I have to endlessly mock FF and hiDPI...
-
@dcon I find the keyboard shortcut works just about everywhere, even if there is no icon for it to correlate to. This applies in linux as well.
-
@pleegwat said in "gedit No Longer Maintained" - Good Riddance:
I find the keyboard shortcut works just about everywhere
Thank $deity. Otherwise handling those apps that start in the exact location they last ran in (no matter that the monitor is no longer connected) would be ... problematic...