Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money
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And this is exactly why I refuse to pay even pennies to Konami, Capcom and the like and happily emulate their old games guilt-free.
Filed under: Thats covers 90% of them that aren't shit anyway
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@Onyx said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
And this is exactly why I refuse to pay even pennies to Konami
Especially that if you paid them now, it would not go to the people who made the games, because they left the company :P
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An ex-Kon says that former employees are told they may not use Konami's name on their resumes in order to get jobs
Is that even legal? And if so, why don't more companies do that?
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@Maciejasjmj said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
Is that even legal?
Certainly not in the US. But the US isn't demented and horrible.
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@blakeyrat said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
But the US isn't demented and horrible.
Eh...
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@Maciejasjmj said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
Is that even legal?
Not in the UK, where all responses to an inquiry for a reference need to be truthful (and cases where they haven't been have gone to court). The consequence is tha HR's responses to that sort of thing are typically very bland: “we confirm that XYZ worked for us between DateA and DateB”, etc.
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@dkf
Not in Germany, either. You have a right to get a written reference from any previous workplace up to 3 years after your employment ended. It must be both truthful and favorable. The latter requirement leads to a lot of weird newspeak and in those references, which other employers then have to try and decipher.
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@Maciejasjmj Apparently it's legal in Japan. What a horrible place to work.
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@asdf said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
@dkf
Not in Germany, either. You have a right to get a written reference from any previous workplace up to 3 years after your employment ended. It must be both truthful and favorable. The latter requirement leads to a lot of weird newspeak and in those references, which other employers then have to try and decipher.Required to be favorable? Doesn't that negate a reference for anything other than "Yes, they worked here and those were the proscribed duties"?
What about answers to certain questions like: Would you rehire them? Are they eligible to work with you again?
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@WernerCD said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
What about answers to certain questions like: Would you rehire them? Are they eligible to work with you again?
I guess nothing requires that these specific questions are answered.
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@WernerCD said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
Would you rehire them?
If circumstances permitted, yes.
@WernerCD said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
Are they eligible to work with you again?
At this time the subject in question does not currently have an active account in our job databases, which is the first requirement to obtaining employment here.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
@WernerCD said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
Would you rehire them?
If circumstances permitted, yes.
@WernerCD said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
Are they eligible to work with you again?
At this time the subject in question does not currently have an active account in our job databases, which is the first requirement to obtaining employment here.
lol Ahh... HR double-speak at its finest I see... I'd hate to be in that position - required to be Honest AND positive... when the honest answer is far from positive...
I mean... how fine into the details do they get? If you have obvious hesitation on answering that way...
I'd love to see if there are any court cases where someone didn't get a job because of double-speak like this with the included pauses and information there available written in invisible ink between the lines...
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@WernerCD said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
I mean... how fine into the details do they get? If you have obvious hesitation on answering that way...
I'd love to see if there are any court cases where someone didn't get a job because of double-speak like this with the included pauses and information there available written in invisible ink between the lines...Hr often doesn't have personal details the kind I think you're thinking of. At best it's usually the summary section of performance reviews (if they bother digging that deep for an employment verification call).
For a reference I would rather prefer written anyways, so you can't get things like non-verbal cues from it.
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@WernerCD said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
@asdf said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
@dkf
Not in Germany, either. You have a right to get a written reference from any previous workplace up to 3 years after your employment ended. It must be both truthful and favorable. The latter requirement leads to a lot of weird newspeak and in those references, which other employers then have to try and decipher.Required to be favorable? Doesn't that negate a reference for anything other than "Yes, they worked here and those were the proscribed duties"?
Pretty much. And since people lie on their resumes on work experience, that at least can be useful info. If someone worked for a prestigious employer for a few years, it might be a good sign (but not always, in my experience).
What about answers to certain questions like: Would you rehire them?
It's a grey area, for sure.
In my experience, there's two types of references: One is the work experience reference, which is solely for giving people confirmation that the candidate has in fact worked for the employer in question and isn't lying on their resume.
The second is the professional "amicable" reference, which the candidate provides. The reference in question doesn't have to be a boss, but a colleague who worked with the candidate closely. The best-etiquette for this kind of reference is to ask permission from the reference to provide said reference (rather than just having them blindsided by an employer asking for a reference). Usually, unless the candidate is totally clueless as to how much of a loser people think they are, the candidate will furnish references that will provide a positive review.
I've given references before in this manner, and the questions they ask are often more subjective and it almost feels like "interview by proxy" in that they'll ask questions like, "Can you recall a situation where the candidate was having a problem and was able to solve it? And if so, how was he able to solve it?" And they do ask "would you work with him again, given the opportunity?" Again, because the guy knew me well, and knew I'd pull for him, there wasn't really a chance I'd give negative answers to those questions.
All this stuff is always an enigma, legally speaking, for me. IANAL but I'm sure there are employers who push the envelope.
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@WernerCD said in Konami officially hates the people who made them loads of money:
Required to be favorable? Doesn't that negate a reference for anything other than "Yes, they worked here and those were the proscribed duties"?
Yes and no. There are certain established "codes". For example, if the reference does not express regret that the employee no longer works there, (s)he was probably crap at his job. "Very sociable" means "spent half of the time chatting in the break room". And so on. You have to read between the lines. Also, omissions are very informative (are skills/work ethic even mentioned?).
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@Onyx Konami also fired Koji "IGA" Igarashi when they decided Castlevania wasn't mainstream enough and decided to turn it into a God of War clone instead with Castlevania: Lords of Shadow. Which did OK for one game but then crashed and burned after the second.
For those of you who don't know who that is, he was heavily involved in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and producer of all Castlevania games after that (except Circle of the Moon) until Konami fired him.
Side note: It actually concerns me that Metroid: Samus Returns is based on the engine from the "midquel" Lords of Shadow game, Mirror of Fate.