Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever



  • So, I'm surprised no one has brought it up yet.
    I've watched the Build keynote (one of) and after the "cloud all the things" stuff they talked about what's coming to Win10.

    2 particular "features" really stood out, negatively, for me.

    Windows Timeline
    In short, Windows will keep track of what you're doing over time, like editing a document, reading email, whatever, and at any point you can bring up a "timeline" view and reopen something you were working on before that same day. Or perhaps days before, can't remember, but sounds plausible.
    This timeline is pushed to the cloud, so you can pickup you work from any of your devices.
    You even get notifications like "would you like to resume reading that article on the BBC?".
    This whole thing apparently needs some work from the developer though.

    Cloud assisted clipboard
    It's exactly what you expect, allows you to copy on device 1 and paste on device 2.
    From the demo there was even a history of what you had copied.

    Now, I'm not into conspiracies, but this is ridiculous.
    They're literally going to collect realtime data of everything you're doing. Totally unacceptable in my opinion.

    The problem is that you're trusting them with this information and you can be sure as fuck they're going to use it. And even assuming that you can disable it, you're still trusting them for it to be actually so.
    After Facebook, this is the jackpot for NSA.

    If only there was a good alternative, I'd jump the boat. Sadly I'm not into macOS and Linux, but it might be time to reevaluate the latter. Again.



  • @Zmaster So don't buy it.

    End of thread.


  • :belt_onion:

    @blakeyrat said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    End of thread.

    Oh, if only. (Yes, I'm contributing to the problem.)



  • @blakeyrat said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @Zmaster So don't buy it.

    End of thread.

    Ok, I'll just not buy the mandatory update that will come out in a few months. Glad that's an option.



  • @Zmaster macOS/iOS got similar features already. They do automatic cloud syncing with their apps at least (unless disabled) and they got cloud clipboard too. (Called universal clipboard.)



  • @Atazhaia said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @Zmaster macOS/iOS got similar features already. They do automatic cloud syncing with their apps at least (unless disabled) and they got cloud clipboard too. (Called universal clipboard.)

    I only have one Windows computer. I'm not sure how cloud clipboard would help me, or anyone else, especially because most people with Windows computers are either tech savvy enough to use remote desktop when using multiple computers and everyone else only has one computer. It's not like Windows Phone is popular enough for it to be worth developing this feature for that, and the Surface tablets are marketed as "you don't need a computer", so...



  • This timeline stuff sounds real scary. Fortunately I use Linux on my main desktop.


  • Fake News

    I guess it depends if this can be disabled and if all of this including "timeline" syncs to the cloud. You can't disable every call-home thing in the current Windows 10 but you can at least reduce it a bunch.

    Quite frankly, I'm already tracking whatever I do on my work laptop through ManicTime, but that app's data is supposed to existonly on my PC.



  • @Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    So, I'm surprised no one has brought it up yet.
    I've watched the Build keynote (one of) and after the "cloud all the things" stuff they talked about what's coming to Win10.

    2 particular "features" really stood out, negatively, for me.

    Windows Timeline
    In short, Windows will keep track of what you're doing over time, like editing a document, reading email, whatever, and at any point you can bring up a "timeline" view and reopen something you were working on before that same day. Or perhaps days before, can't remember, but sounds plausible.
    This timeline is pushed to the cloud, so you can pickup you work from any of your devices.
    You even get notifications like "would you like to resume reading that article on the BBC?".
    This whole thing apparently needs some work from the developer though.

    Cloud assisted clipboard
    It's exactly what you expect, allows you to copy on device 1 and paste on device 2.
    From the demo there was even a history of what you had copied.

    Now, I'm not into conspiracies, but this is ridiculous.
    They're literally going to collect realtime data of everything you're doing. Totally unacceptable in my opinion.

    The problem is that you're trusting them with this information and you can be sure as fuck they're going to use it. And even assuming that you can disable it, you're still trusting them for it to be actually so.
    After Facebook, this is the jackpot for NSA.

    If only there was a good alternative, I'd jump the boat. Sadly I'm not into macOS and Linux, but it might be time to reevaluate the latter. Again.

    //Sigh
    Seems these two features will be attractive target for business spies.

    Just imagine ... if I can somehow figure out how to insert fake history records, I can use the undo feature to move email or other documents to places that I want. And I can have access to documents that those people have "copy and pasted" too.



  • @cheong said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    So, I'm surprised no one has brought it up yet.
    I've watched the Build keynote (one of) and after the "cloud all the things" stuff they talked about what's coming to Win10.

    2 particular "features" really stood out, negatively, for me.

    Windows Timeline
    In short, Windows will keep track of what you're doing over time, like editing a document, reading email, whatever, and at any point you can bring up a "timeline" view and reopen something you were working on before that same day. Or perhaps days before, can't remember, but sounds plausible.
    This timeline is pushed to the cloud, so you can pickup you work from any of your devices.
    You even get notifications like "would you like to resume reading that article on the BBC?".
    This whole thing apparently needs some work from the developer though.

    Cloud assisted clipboard
    It's exactly what you expect, allows you to copy on device 1 and paste on device 2.
    From the demo there was even a history of what you had copied.

    Now, I'm not into conspiracies, but this is ridiculous.
    They're literally going to collect realtime data of everything you're doing. Totally unacceptable in my opinion.

    The problem is that you're trusting them with this information and you can be sure as fuck they're going to use it. And even assuming that you can disable it, you're still trusting them for it to be actually so.
    After Facebook, this is the jackpot for NSA.

    If only there was a good alternative, I'd jump the boat. Sadly I'm not into macOS and Linux, but it might be time to reevaluate the latter. Again.

    //Sigh
    Seems these two features will be attractive target for business spies.

    Just imagine ... if I can somehow figure out how to insert fake history records, I can use the undo feature to move email or other documents to places that I want. And I can have access to documents that those people have "copy and pasted" too.

    You'll never figure out how too... you're not smart enough.

    It's a good thing we have the NSA to create and control those types of features. They'll never get released to the unsuspecting public. 'Murica! FUK YEAH!



  • @WernerCD said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @cheong said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    So, I'm surprised no one has brought it up yet.
    I've watched the Build keynote (one of) and after the "cloud all the things" stuff they talked about what's coming to Win10.

    2 particular "features" really stood out, negatively, for me.

    Windows Timeline
    In short, Windows will keep track of what you're doing over time, like editing a document, reading email, whatever, and at any point you can bring up a "timeline" view and reopen something you were working on before that same day. Or perhaps days before, can't remember, but sounds plausible.
    This timeline is pushed to the cloud, so you can pickup you work from any of your devices.
    You even get notifications like "would you like to resume reading that article on the BBC?".
    This whole thing apparently needs some work from the developer though.

    Cloud assisted clipboard
    It's exactly what you expect, allows you to copy on device 1 and paste on device 2.
    From the demo there was even a history of what you had copied.

    Now, I'm not into conspiracies, but this is ridiculous.
    They're literally going to collect realtime data of everything you're doing. Totally unacceptable in my opinion.

    The problem is that you're trusting them with this information and you can be sure as fuck they're going to use it. And even assuming that you can disable it, you're still trusting them for it to be actually so.
    After Facebook, this is the jackpot for NSA.

    If only there was a good alternative, I'd jump the boat. Sadly I'm not into macOS and Linux, but it might be time to reevaluate the latter. Again.

    //Sigh
    Seems these two features will be attractive target for business spies.

    Just imagine ... if I can somehow figure out how to insert fake history records, I can use the undo feature to move email or other documents to places that I want. And I can have access to documents that those people have "copy and pasted" too.

    You'll never figure out how too... you're not smart enough.

    It's a good thing we have the NSA to create and control those types of features. They'll never get released to the unsuspecting public. 'Murica! FUK YEAH!

    Nice sarcasm



  • @blakeyrat said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @Zmaster So don't buy it.

    End of thread.

    Yeah, keep using an old OS or an out of date one-- said the person who will tell people they're idiot luddites for not upgrading to the latest OS and keeping it up to do.


  • :belt_onion:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    most people with Windows computers are either tech savvy enough to use remote desktop when using multiple computers

    Holy selection bias, Batman. I'd be surprised if 1% of Windows users even know what Remote Desktop is. Think for a moment about the sheer size of the user base we're talking about, and then if you still think I'm wrong, I'd suggest that you're really out of touch.



  • @heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    most people with Windows computers are either tech savvy enough to use remote desktop when using multiple computers

    Holy selection bias, Batman. I'd be surprised if 1% of Windows users even know what Remote Desktop is. Think for a moment about the sheer size of the user base we're talking about, and then if you still think I'm wrong, I'd suggest that you're really out of touch.

    How many Windows users manage multiple computers?


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    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    How many Windows users manage multiple computers?

    a.) That's not what you said. b.) How many Windows users have a desktop and a laptop? Or a laptop and a laptop? Counting both personal and work computers, which I think you definitely haven't?

    I don't think those numbers would be easy to come up with, but I clearly think they're larger than you think they are, and I got my answer as to whether you were at all willing to consider that yours is not the typical user experience, so that is what it is.



  • @heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    How many Windows users manage multiple computers?

    a.) That's not what you said. b.) How many Windows users have a desktop and a laptop? Or a laptop and a laptop? Counting both personal and work computers, which I think you definitely haven't?

    I don't think those numbers would be easy to come up with, but I clearly think they're larger than you think they are, and I got my answer as to whether you were at all willing to consider that yours is not the typical user experience, so that is what it is.

    How many people have two Windows computers that they are using simultaneously? I fail to see the benefit that a shared clipboard gives you over the file sharing stuff built into Windows or the bajillions of third party file sharing apps when your computers aren't even turned on at the same time, or aren't in the same building.


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    How many Windows users manage multiple computers?

    a.) That's not what you said. b.) How many Windows users have a desktop and a laptop? Or a laptop and a laptop? Counting both personal and work computers, which I think you definitely haven't?

    I don't think those numbers would be easy to come up with, but I clearly think they're larger than you think they are, and I got my answer as to whether you were at all willing to consider that yours is not the typical user experience, so that is what it is.

    How many people have two Windows computers that they are using simultaneously? I fail to see the benefit that a shared clipboard gives you over the file sharing stuff built into Windows or the bajillions of third party file sharing apps when your computers aren't even turned on at the same time, or aren't in the same building.

    Whatever gave you the impression that these were interactive-only things?



  • @Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    How many Windows users manage multiple computers?

    a.) That's not what you said. b.) How many Windows users have a desktop and a laptop? Or a laptop and a laptop? Counting both personal and work computers, which I think you definitely haven't?

    I don't think those numbers would be easy to come up with, but I clearly think they're larger than you think they are, and I got my answer as to whether you were at all willing to consider that yours is not the typical user experience, so that is what it is.

    How many people have two Windows computers that they are using simultaneously? I fail to see the benefit that a shared clipboard gives you over the file sharing stuff built into Windows or the bajillions of third party file sharing apps when your computers aren't even turned on at the same time, or aren't in the same building.

    Whatever gave you the impression that these were interactive-only things?

    An un-interactive clipboard?


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    How many Windows users manage multiple computers?

    a.) That's not what you said. b.) How many Windows users have a desktop and a laptop? Or a laptop and a laptop? Counting both personal and work computers, which I think you definitely haven't?

    I don't think those numbers would be easy to come up with, but I clearly think they're larger than you think they are, and I got my answer as to whether you were at all willing to consider that yours is not the typical user experience, so that is what it is.

    How many people have two Windows computers that they are using simultaneously? I fail to see the benefit that a shared clipboard gives you over the file sharing stuff built into Windows or the bajillions of third party file sharing apps when your computers aren't even turned on at the same time, or aren't in the same building.

    Whatever gave you the impression that these were interactive-only things?

    An un-interactive clipboard?

    Use case: I copy something on once PC. Shut it down. Go to other PC. Boot it up. Paste. Much Wow.



  • @Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    How many Windows users manage multiple computers?

    a.) That's not what you said. b.) How many Windows users have a desktop and a laptop? Or a laptop and a laptop? Counting both personal and work computers, which I think you definitely haven't?

    I don't think those numbers would be easy to come up with, but I clearly think they're larger than you think they are, and I got my answer as to whether you were at all willing to consider that yours is not the typical user experience, so that is what it is.

    How many people have two Windows computers that they are using simultaneously? I fail to see the benefit that a shared clipboard gives you over the file sharing stuff built into Windows or the bajillions of third party file sharing apps when your computers aren't even turned on at the same time, or aren't in the same building.

    Whatever gave you the impression that these were interactive-only things?

    An un-interactive clipboard?

    Use case: I copy something on once PC. Shut it down. Go to other PC. Boot it up. Paste. Much Wow.

    Given how the clipboard loses its contents when you close, say, an image editor, I don't see how it's intuitive for users to have a clipboard that persists between computers.

    Although an un-interactive clipboard might be a cool prank. Randomly copy things and then randomly paste them?


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Given how the clipboard loses its contents when you close, say, an image editor,

    Really? I must be using retarded image editors. Shit I copy into the clipboard stays there whether the program I copied from is open or not, unless you're Microsoft Office, which will ask if I want to keep it when I close the last window (because apparently keeping data in memory could be bad or something).



  • @Tsaukpaetra remember that @ben_lubar is using ChromeOS, and that ChromeOS is a kind of Linux, and Linuxes generally don't support keeping clipboard alive after closing app. If I had a penny for every time I opened gitk, found the commit I wanted, copied hash, closed gitk and tried to paste the hash I just copied...



  • @Gąska said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @Tsaukpaetra remember that @ben_lubar is using ChromeOS, and that ChromeOS is a kind of Linux, and Linuxes generally don't support keeping clipboard alive after closing app. If I had a penny for every time I opened gitk, found the commit I wanted, copied hash, closed gitk and tried to paste the hash I just copied...

    I've only ever had that problem on Windows.


  • :belt_onion:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Given how the clipboard loses its contents when you close, say, an image editor

    Uh, no?

    @Gąska said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Linuxes generally don't support keeping clipboard alive after closing app.

    Really? If so, that's awful; fuck that. Also, I observed undefined on the play but don't care enough to pursue it any more than I have already.



  • @heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Uh, no?

    I can't find the article, but basically, programs can put a note into the clipboard saying "if you want the contents of the clipboard, ask me". When that program exits, there's nobody to ask, so the clipboard is useless. This most frequently happens with older programs that can copy large amounts of data, like image editors.



  • @ben_lubar image editors don't qualify as "can copy large amounts of data" anymore.


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Uh, no?

    I can't find the article, but basically, programs can put a note into the clipboard saying "if you want the contents of the clipboard, ask me". When that program exits, there's nobody to ask, so the clipboard is useless. This most frequently happens with older programs that can copy large amounts of data, like image editors.

    I think you're talking about

    And even then there's nothing that says it's required for the program to be active at the time of paste (rather, the receiving program will end up invoking it anyways, which if it's not open...).



  • @Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Uh, no?

    I can't find the article, but basically, programs can put a note into the clipboard saying "if you want the contents of the clipboard, ask me". When that program exits, there's nobody to ask, so the clipboard is useless. This most frequently happens with older programs that can copy large amounts of data, like image editors.

    I think you're talking about

    And even then there's nothing that says it's required for the program to be active at the time of paste (rather, the receiving program will end up invoking it anyways, which if it's not open...).

    Good luck running a program remotely on a shut-down computer.


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Uh, no?

    I can't find the article, but basically, programs can put a note into the clipboard saying "if you want the contents of the clipboard, ask me". When that program exits, there's nobody to ask, so the clipboard is useless. This most frequently happens with older programs that can copy large amounts of data, like image editors.

    I think you're talking about

    And even then there's nothing that says it's required for the program to be active at the time of paste (rather, the receiving program will end up invoking it anyways, which if it's not open...).

    Good luck running a program remotely on a shut-down computer.

    🤷 not many programs take advantage of OLE tbh, I would expect the destination program to respond just like it didn't have that segment in the data stream.

    Alternatively, Microsoft could bring back

    Which would be much more useful in this scenario.



  • @Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Uh, no?

    I can't find the article, but basically, programs can put a note into the clipboard saying "if you want the contents of the clipboard, ask me". When that program exits, there's nobody to ask, so the clipboard is useless. This most frequently happens with older programs that can copy large amounts of data, like image editors.

    I think you're talking about

    And even then there's nothing that says it's required for the program to be active at the time of paste (rather, the receiving program will end up invoking it anyways, which if it's not open...).

    Good luck running a program remotely on a shut-down computer.

    🤷 not many programs take advantage of OLE tbh, I would expect the destination program to respond just like it didn't have that segment in the data stream.

    Alternatively, Microsoft could bring back

    Which would be much more useful in this scenario.

    Weren't those discontinued because it was trivial to make one that acted like a virus?


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    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Although an un-interactive clipboard might be a cool prank. Randomly copy things and then randomly paste them?

    ChatClipboardRoulette?



  • @dkf I'm still waiting for someone to implement http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/petrovich.html


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Good luck running a program remotely on a shut-down computer.



  • @dkf now all we need is Wake-on-Wifi and Wake-on-dead-battery


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  • Impossible Mission - B

    @heterodox said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    a.) That's not what you said.

    That is what he said, he just said it kind of awkwardly. He said that most Windows users either are savvy enough to use Remote Desktop, or [don't need it because they] don't use multiple computers at the same time.

    Whether or not that's correct is a different matter, but that is what Ben said.


  • Impossible Mission - B

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    I've only ever had that problem on Windows.

    Really? I've never had that problem on Windows. The Windows clipboard is an independent entity managed by the OS.

    As a developer, I can see how that can happen. If you have a large amount of data to copy, you can tell the clipboard manager, "here's a callback to retrieve the data if you really need it" instead of copying it to the clipboard manager. But aside from certain aforementioned MS Office products, which make sure to notify you when they shut down and ask if you want to keep that data around, I've never noticed any programs actually using that feature.


  • SockDev

    @masonwheeler The vast majority of home users will have a single Windows PC or laptop (or Surface) that they use exclusively, so they won't have any need for Timeline or the Cloud Clipboard. Of the few that do maintain multiple machines though, I can see it being useful to have the Cloud Clipboard at least, as the person may not have bothered setting up Remote Desktop. Then again, how often do you want to send small snippets of text between computers anyway? The way I see it, it's far more common to want to transfer files, and solutions already exist e.g. OneDrive or USB drives.

    So long as these new features default to 'off', I don't have an issue with them.


  • Impossible Mission - B

    @RaceProUK said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    So long as these new features default to 'off', I don't have an issue with them.

    I do, because even if they're off, they're still there, just waiting for malware to surreptitiously turn on behind your back. That's a lot trickier for a hacker to implement if all the spying code hasn't already been written for them.



  • @RaceProUK said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @masonwheeler The vast majority of home users will have a single Windows PC or laptop (or Surface) that they use exclusively, so they won't have any need for Timeline or the Cloud Clipboard. Of the few that do maintain multiple machines though, I can see it being useful to have the Cloud Clipboard at least, as the person may not have bothered setting up Remote Desktop. Then again, how often do you want to send small snippets of text between computers anyway? The way I see it, it's far more common to want to transfer files, and solutions already exist e.g. OneDrive or USB drives.

    So long as these new features default to 'off', I don't have an issue with them.

    It also syncs to mobiles if you want. I actually had this problem several times when I wanted to share a picture or link through WhatsApp: The picture or link was on my desktop and not directly available on the mobile.


  • SockDev

    @masonwheeler said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    I do, because even if they're off, they're still there, just waiting for malware to surreptitiously turn on behind your back.

    If malware has enough access to turn those features on, it has enough access to send the data itself.


  • SockDev

    @Rhywden said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    It also syncs to mobiles if you want

    Hmm… That makes these features about a bajilliony-twelve times more useful


  • Impossible Mission - B

    @RaceProUK I didn't say anything about access; I said ease-of-implementation.

    If experience over the last 20 years has taught us anything about access, it's that social-engineering victims into giving malware the access it needs is trivial.



  • @Zmaster said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Windows Timeline
    In short, Windows will keep track of what you're doing over time, like editing a document, reading email, whatever, and at any point you can bring up a "timeline" view and reopen something you were working on before that same day. Or perhaps days before, can't remember, but sounds plausible.
    This timeline is pushed to the cloud, so you can pickup you work from any of your devices.
    You even get notifications like "would you like to resume reading that article on the BBC?".
    This whole thing apparently needs some work from the developer though.

    This actually looks cool.

    I am not sure about the cloud backing it, though. Will the document I worked on on my work PC be available on my home PC? Probably not.

    I bet this will only work if you use Edge + OneDrive.

    Cloud assisted clipboard
    It's exactly what you expect, allows you to copy on device 1 and paste on device 2.
    From the demo there was even a history of what you had copied.

    Since "device" here probably doesn't include an android or iPhone, this is probably useless.

    Also, if you are worried about privacy, Apple's already doing this, so it's Linux for you.



  • @cartman82 said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Since "device" here probably doesn't include an android or iPhone, this is probably useless.

    Yeah. Might want to rethink that 🙂

    The question is rather: Will Apple let them?



  • @Rhywden said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    Yeah. Might want to rethink that

    I stand corrected. Might be cool if they don't Microsoft all over it.


  • SockDev

    @masonwheeler said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    @RaceProUK I didn't say anything about access; I said ease-of-implementation.

    It's not exactly hard to read the contents of the clipboard and send them to a remote server. Reading the activities of other apps is harder, but Timeline will almost certainly need the apps to interface with it anyway (instead of it interfacing with apps), so the barrier there is the one that's existed for decades.



  • If people are worried about this stuff. I would use a Free OS. Plenty are available.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    @ben_lubar said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    How many people have two Windows computers that they are using simultaneously?

    @RaceProUK said in Win10 is becoming the biggest spyware ever:

    The vast majority of home users will have a single Windows PC or laptop (or Surface) that they use exclusively

    Guys, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data". How about some research?

    Almost half of users have two or more PCs; another study found 24 million households in the US. 68% of users have two or more types of devices (computer + phone, computer + tablet, or all three). College students average seven devices.



  • @Yamikuronue ...that they use simultaneously? As in, they probably installed Synergy to avoid having to use two sets of keyboards and mice on the same desk?


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