Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?
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@Polygeekery said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
Or you could be a non-fuckwad and give more detail in to what happened. This assumes you are not a fuckwad, probably a bad assumption.
You don't need to be a fuckwad* to not want to get into the details of something bad that happened to you.
.* whatever a fuckwad is
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@wharrgarbl agreed. And, "I don't want to talk about it" is an acceptable answer. The whole Drax schtick gets a bit old though.
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@kt_ said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
It's not a good moment to learn NET Core, i
Um, yeah, I realized that too late.
.NET is not a language. It's a platform for CLR languages.
C# being a compiled language
Please tell me you have Visual Studio Community, at least
Yes, and professional at work.
Forget Core: it's a long way off being viable. Just stick with the regular .NET Framework: it's what most places will be using anyway.
Um, yeah.
@Karla As @kt_ said .NET core is all over the place. I wouldn't touch it.
Um, yeah. I am TR
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@Karla said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
Um, yeah. I am TR
Not really they have been shilling it hard online.
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@lucas1 said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
@Karla said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
Um, yeah. I am TR
Not really they have been shilling it hard online.
I was mostly just teasing because everyone was saying the same thing.
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@Polygeekery said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
Or you could be a non-fuckwad and give more detail in to what happened.
I could, true. I don't owe you anything and you certainly haven't asked politely, so I'm not very inclined to.
What do you even need to know other than "I was laid off"? Like... what the weather was like when it happened? Or how many boxes I needed to take my personal effects home?
It was on a Wednesday, does that satiate you?
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@blakeyrat said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
What do you even need to know other than "I was laid off"?
No one needs to know. But we like stories.
Back on topic: The best way (by far) to get a job interview is to get a recommendation from someone you know at a company.
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There isn't a story, though. I got laid off. That's... it.
Like I said, I'm not even sure what "details" Intercourse there is asking for.
@boomzilla said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
Back on topic: The best way (by far) to get a job interview is to get a recommendation from someone you know at a company.
Yeah I have two of those at the moment, both of whom "want to hire me but have no budget for it currently". It's been that way a couple months.
I also got a lead on a QA contract from someone I know I think originally from Twitter? but we've been friends for years. I decided against it because I don't want to be in the position to tell him that he and his team have 50,000 bugs, which is probably what would happen. (I'm good at QA, enjoy doing QA, don't look for jobs in QA because most companies treat QA people worse than dogs.) I didn't get to the point of talking about compensation or anything.
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@blakeyrat "Laid off" can be vague. It's sometimes used when someone is fired for cause. Other times it's used to mean that the company is simply reducing staff due to changing business conditions. Maybe you slept with the President's Daughter. Or the project you were on went hilariously over budget. People like to hear your stories, but I can understand why it's a sore spot for you.
@blakeyrat said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
Yeah I have two of those at the moment, both of whom "want to hire me but have no budget for it currently". It's been that way a couple months.
Ugh...Good luck. I hate looking for work.
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@boomzilla said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
"Laid off" can be vague.
Not... really?
@boomzilla said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
It's sometimes used when someone is fired for cause.
If someone told you they were laid off when they were fired, that person's simply a liar. That's not a problem with the terminology, that's a problem with talking to liars.
I got laid off. I am not a liar. Generally.
@boomzilla said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
Ugh...Good luck. I hate looking for work.
I hear that.
I was gambling on those two employment promises and really only started job hunting because the Unemployment office requires it. When I wrote this thread originally it was because I was starting job hunting for reals.
Frankly, I have zero interest in getting a job. I'm not a social person. I hate commuting. I don't even really like programming anymore, and haven't for years. But I need to pay my mortgage. If I could make $80k working at a clerk at a local bookstore for 35 hours a week, I'd kiss this shitty industry goodbye forever.
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I mainly like recruiters because I like saying "I'm happy with the salary the recruiter entered me at" instead of messing around with numbers. At least the better recruiters I've worked with do that. One still had me go through the HR salary gauntlet. That sucked.
Another piece of advice because of crappy recruiters: always bring your own copy of your resume, just in case the recruiter messed with it too much.
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@blakeyrat said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
Frankly, I have zero interest in getting a job. I'm not a social person. I hate commuting.
Sounds like an office job is exactly what you need, less you turn into a hermit.
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@TimeBandit said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
@dangeRuss said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
Part of me wonders though, should I just see what's out there?
Mainly grass, cement, asphalt and pesky humans
Depends where you're looking.
But this is a @blakeyrat thread, and furthermore something I have a lot of interest in at the moment, so back on track:
How easy is it to even make it past even just the initial filters for someone who has no contacts and no refs? The stack overflow careers thing looks good, but I'm so lacking in "look at my cred!" stuff that I'm worried I won't ever get anyone to even bite that isn't a scam or crap.
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@blakeyrat said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
I need to pay my mortgage.
You don't need a mortgage if you sell the house.
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@cartman82 said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
less you turn into a hermit.
What's the downside of that?
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@lolwhat said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
You don't need a mortgage if you sell the house.
Yeah but Comcast doesn't hook up broadband to cardboard boxes.
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@blakeyrat mobile broadband ftw?
Seriously though... good luck with the job search. I have no useful advice to offer, having been at this company since approximately the stone age (or at any rate 2003).
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@blakeyrat Hey, small houses (and much cheaper places to live) do exist. Shit, buy an RV and travel around.
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@Dreikin said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
How easy is it to even make it past even just the initial filters for someone who has no contacts and no refs?
Where do you live? References aren't even a "thing" in the US tech industry, at least not here on the West Coast. So that's irrelevant. You probably already have more contacts than you think, join LinkedIn and see who it recommends based on your schooling or past job history.
Assuming you have any experience at all, the challenge is just phrasing it on your resume in a way that makes it look good. Something like 75% of IT job hunting is being able to talk yourself up (while not sounding like a complete egomaniac or prima-donna) and maybe 25% is doing programming tests. Everything else is irrelevant.
Without knowing anything more about you, I don't know what other advice to give. Do what you do. You're obviously not starving to death under a bridge so at some point you convinced someone to give you money in exchange for services, so go do that again.
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@blakeyrat said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
Without knowing anything more about you, I don't know what other advice to give. Do what you do. You're obviously not starving to death under a bridge so at some point you convinced someone to give you money in exchange for services, so go do that again.
More like "someone convinced me to let them give me money for doing I job I'd really rather not be doing" (my uncle, who is thankfully now sober again).
@blakeyrat said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
Where do you live?
East coast, west side of Virginia (Appomattox, specifically).
@blakeyrat said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
You probably already have more contacts than you think, join LinkedIn and see who it recommends based on your schooling or past job history.
Maybe. You want to be a hermit. I've done that for the better part of the past decade, approximately. I do have some contacts I should try though.
@blakeyrat said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
References aren't even a "thing" in the US tech industry, at least not here on the West Coast.
@blakeyrat said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
Assuming you have any experience at all, the challenge is just phrasing it on your resume in a way that makes it look good. Something like 75% of IT job hunting is being able to talk yourself up (while not sounding like a complete egomaniac or prima-donna) and maybe 25% is doing programming tests. Everything else is irrelevant.
Okay. I should be able to handle that, at least.
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@lolwhat I am planning on doing road trip to Mongolia next year and maybe one around the US. Depends how much the mongolia trip costs tbh.
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@lucas1 said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
maybe one around the US
Fuck off, foreigner. #MAGA
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@blakeyrat Hmm..
Trust me, you can do a job for years before you actually "know" what it's really like -- the day-to-day mental and emotional toll, the long-term prospects, the ugly parts they don't put in the brochure.
I suppose you could, but that really seems like you're not paying attention.
Until very recently in human history, there existed exactly one job: Survive. Hungry? Get food. Tired? Sleep. In danger? Run, or fight. The future did not exist -- the concerns of the present occupied all of our brain power.
I guess we have to define "recently" as several thousand years. Which makes this "point" seem pretty lame.
That's why so many of our last names are just the names of a family job (Farmer, Smith, Mix-A-Lot)
LOL
More seriously, though, I did know early on what I wanted to do with my life: raise a family. I was less certain about a career. TFA gets near an important point with this:
Only recently did we start telling kids, "You can be whatever you want to be."
It's kind of nice if you're able to define yourself based on a sweet career that you love. But you need more than that and it's also OK if your job is just, "Survive."
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@boomzilla said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
I guess we have to define "recently" as several thousand years. Which makes this "point" seem pretty lame.
Only recently did we start telling kids, "You can be whatever you want to be."
It's kind of nice if you're able to define yourself based on a sweet career that you love. But you need more than that and it's also OK if your job is just, "Survive."
That reminds me of one of the best explanations I've seen of what civilization means, from John Adams:
I must study Politicks and War that my sons may have liberty to study Mathematicks and Philosophy. My sons ought to study Mathematicks and Philosophy, Geography, natural History, Naval Architecture, navigation, Commerce, and Agriculture, in order to give their Children a right to study Painting, Poetry, Musick, Architecture, Statuary, Tapestry, and Porcelaine.
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Well I look at it differently from the article too. I enjoyed the environment I learned and played with computers in back when I chose that as my career, what I didn't anticipate is it changing entirely.
Who would have guessed in 1997 that the CLI interface would make a comeback, or that horrible shitty Lunix OS would soon be on every mobile device in the US? That there'd be millions of professional software developers who have never used a graphical debugger? Who'd have guessed that software would pick HTML as their presentation layer instead of-- well fucking anything else? Who'd have guessed that the ability to update software in real-time via. Internet delivery would remove all incentives to actually test the software, or even care about having a quality product? Who'd have guessed that everything we ever learned about usability in computer UIs would be thrown into the garbage?
The industry I wanted to be a part of took a sharp right turn and became, in the course of a decade, virtually everything I always hated about computers.
Oh well.
@boomzilla said in Is it possible to get a job interview without going through a recruiter?:
I guess we have to define "recently" as several thousand years. Which makes this "point" seem pretty lame.
Maybe; but the point still applies: the environment we're in isn't the environment our brains were born to deal with. Not even remotely close.
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@blakeyrat What killed the joy for me was in my very first job when I found that Dilbert cartoons weren't fiction, it is an exact description of all the workplaces I ever got into.
I liked coding as a kid, but real jobs are an horrible pile of lies, abuse and dumbness.