Windows 10 reinstall



  • What are you doing that I'm not to get these weird bugs in Windows 10? Here's my fresh install procedure, tell me what I'm not doing wrong. Does Windows really hate having some stuff on a non-boot drive that much?


  • SockDev

    @LB_ said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    tell me what I'm not doing wrong

    can i tell you that you're doing it wrong by not using chocolatey to install all those applications? most, if not all, of them are on chocolatey and make it one step install and updates for using it.



  • @accalia said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    you're doing it wrong by not using chocolatey to install all those applications


  • SockDev

    @TimeBandit said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    @accalia said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    you're doing it wrong by not using chocolatey to install all those applications

    hissssssssss!

    ...... actually no that's a valid approach too.

    it's jsut that chocolatey is a better solution IMNSHO



  • @LB_ said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    Here's my fresh install procedure

    After careful consideration and possibly a full disk image, install Visual Studio 2017

    yeah, definitely do a full disk image :shrug_tone1:


  • SockDev

    @TimeBandit said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    @LB_ said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    Here's my fresh install procedure

    After careful consideration and possibly a full disk image, install Visual Studio 2017

    yeah, definitely do a full disk image :shrug_tone1:

    visual studio? nah. what you need is a VM. because that's the ONLY way you're ever uninstalling without formatting your computer.



  • @accalia said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    because that's the ONLY way you're ever uninstalling without formatting your computer.

    I have a better solution: I just never install it :trollface:


  • SockDev

    @TimeBandit said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    @accalia said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    because that's the ONLY way you're ever uninstalling without formatting your computer.

    I have a better solution: I just never install it :trollface:

    kind of hard to do that when it's required for work.

    i never install it on my personal machines though. :-D



  • @accalia @TimeBandit thanks, I already know they exist and I choose specifically to do it the old-fashioned way because I'm stubborn. Unless I can specifically go through each installer and set the custom installation settings I want, at which point I wonder what the point of Ninite and chocolatey is if I still do all the work.



  • @accalia I don't uninstall VS anyway. And I guess I format/get new things often enough that I don't have to worry about having 3+ versions much.

    For work, whatever, their machines can deal with it.

    At home, I'm probably going to make sure my projects always work with the latest everything (And mostly they do, except when Monogame decides to be a jerk and disable loading pngs, or disallow using a version of SharpDX from NuGet...)



  • @Magus said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    I don't uninstall VS anyway

    Pretty much that... I figure by the time I have 2 or 3 versions of VS installed, it's about time for a hardware upgrade...


  • SockDev

    @dcon said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    @Magus said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    I don't uninstall VS anyway

    Pretty much that... I figure by the time I have 2 or 3 versions of VS installed, it's about time for a hardware upgrade...

    Westmere at work, Kaby Lake at home......

    One of those needs an update.



  • @accalia said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    Westmere at work, Kaby Lake at home......

    I have pretty much the reverse. Gulftown at home, Skylake at work. Upgrade? Eh, works good enough still, although I am eyeing the socket 2066 developments.


  • SockDev

    @Atazhaia said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    @accalia said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    Westmere at work, Kaby Lake at home......

    I have pretty much the reverse. Gulftown at home, Skylake at work. Upgrade? Eh, works good enough still, although I am eyeing the socket 2066 developments.

    as am i. i'll probably be upgrading to a 7850k (or rough equivalent) when it's released at home.

    i expect i'll need to spill my tea on my PC at work to get it upgraded.

    or get that promotion that seems to be beaconing, then i won't have time to develop and will live on my laptop which is skylake.


  • area_pol

    @LB_ said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    What are you doing that I'm not to get these weird bugs in Windows 10? Here's my fresh install procedure, tell me what I'm not doing wrong. Does Windows really hate having some stuff on a non-boot drive that much?

    My install procedure is simpler:

    1. Format hard drives
    2. Install windows
    3. Install drivers
    4. Check if essential stuff works (network, devices, win update, store)
    5. Change some settings (usually minor things, only major this time was user folder locations)
    6. Install apps (in no particular order)

    At 4 everything worked fine except the store. I had the same situation when I upgraded from Win 7. I didn't use store at all then, so I ignored it and some time later it started working (after some win update installation I presume).

    This time it seems to brake more over time :| I did change some permissions to files in WindowsApps, trying to fix the store, but I didn't delete any, just added some.

    As for the OneDrive fuckup, solution from some windows forum is 'OD doesn't like some file it tries to sync'. The file is not mentioned in logs, of course.
    It works fine on my other machine, btw.



  • @MrL My install procedure is a bit more complicated.

    1. Format and prepare drives
    2. Disconnect all drives but one
    3. Install Windows, get it up and running fully with all drivers and such
    4. Reconnect drives
    5. Install Linux, get it up and running fully with all drivers and such
    6. Customize/configure/install programs on Windows and Linux in no particular order

    Typically works fine. The only part that's given me headache is Windows install failing in exciting ways (orange screen of death for example). Also, configuring Linux for me take a little bit due to the special configurations I make for VMs. (Activate IOMMU, activate and configure hugepages, make sure the correct PCI devices gets claimed by VFIO.)


  • area_pol

    This is what greeted me yesterday after logging in to Win10:

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    Yeah...

    So I finally said 'fuck it' and reinstalled.

    I did 2 things differently than last time

    • disconnected non system hard drives
    • didn't try to move AppData folders

    Results are astonishing... everything works! :O


  • SockDev

    @MrL said in Windows 10 reinstall:

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    Well, at least it gives you a button to sign out so you don't have to use the non-functional Start Menu ;)


  • area_pol

    @RaceProUK said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    Well, at least it gives you a button to sign out so you don't have to use the non-functional Start Menu ;)

    It's also helpfully topmost and without the distracting Cancel button.



  • @MrL said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    I did 2 things differently than last time

    • disconnected non system hard drives
    • didn't try to move AppData folders

    Results are astonishing... everything works!

    Well, the start menu is in appdata...


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @MrL said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    move AppData folders

    :wtf: Are they really that cumbersome on your PC? Mine are like, 2 gigs. Hardly worth the effort...


  • BINNED

    @Tsaukpaetra said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    @MrL said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    move AppData folders

    :wtf: Are they really that cumbersome on your PC? Mine are like, 2 gigs. Hardly worth the effort...

    I moved something like 14 gigs of savefiles and mods for a certain game yesterday. So yeah, depends on what you're running on it.



  • @MrL said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    My instance of Windows 10 worked flawlessly and I was quite happy with W10. What forced me to do a reinstall is W10 insatiable lust for disk space. Office installs only on C:, Visual Studio installs only on C:, package cache grows with every update, windows installer leftovers can't be touched or systems stops working. Even temp folder is no longer temporary - you can't purge it, or random programs can't be uninstalled or even updated.
    So, it seems that 120GB SSD is too small for my needs (I use more than a browser for facebook and youtube, stupid me).



  • @izzion said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    Unless you tell Windows during setup to configure a partition on a drive, it will not try to create a partition on the drive or otherwise mount the drive during setup, waiting until you can use Disk Management during the full OS to tell it how to handle the drive (assign it a letter, reformat it, etc etc).

    If you connect an extra drive to your computer, and the drive has one or more partitions already formatted, the most obvious and logical implication is that you want to have the system mount the drive and give it a drive letter to each partition so that you can use it. Not doing that automatically is a :wtf:.



  • @izzion said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    And, for added security because the shell and the file browser are so entangled they couldn't separate them, they made it so that Windows Explorer can never elevate.

    That actually explains so much... I'll need to try to remember that...


  • SockDev

    @MrL said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    Office installs only on C:, Visual Studio installs only on C:

    For those two, I'm not aware of a technical reason why they'd have to install to C:, other than the installers simply don't let you change it.


  • SockDev

    @anotherusername said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    If you connect an extra drive to your computer, and the drive has one or more partitions already formatted, the most obvious and logical implication is that you want to have the system mount the drive and give it a drive letter to each partition so that you can use it.

    100% true for external drives, there are use cases for not mounting or using partitions on an internal drive though (mostly only geeks or businesses have that use case, but even so)

    i can see it making sense for the installer to make a different assumption, just so long as i get a drive letter when i plug a drive in after setup. because that would be stupids



  • @accalia said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    100% true for external drives, there are use cases for not mounting or using partitions on an internal drive though (mostly only geeks or businesses have that use case, but even so)

    Still, the correct assumption is that the drive is connected and needs to be mounted and given drive letters. The vast majority of users will be happy with that; the handful of people who don't want that will need to open up disk management and tell it differently. It'd inconvenience fewer people and the people it'd inconvenience are already more technically skilled, so they'd be better able to configure it correctly for their needs.


  • SockDev

    @anotherusername said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    @accalia said in Windows 10 reinstall:

    100% true for external drives, there are use cases for not mounting or using partitions on an internal drive though (mostly only geeks or businesses have that use case, but even so)

    Still, the correct assumption is that the drive is connected and needs to be mounted and given drive letters. The vast majority of users will be happy with that; the handful of people who don't want that will need to open up disk management and tell it differently. It'd inconvenience fewer people and the people it'd inconvenience are already more technically skilled, so they'd be better able to configure it correctly for their needs.

    installers written by technical people making assumptions about the technical expertise and preferences of the end user? assumptions that turn out to not be true for the vast majority of their non technical users? gasp-horror! that's never happened before! QUICK! CALL DAN RATHERS! I SMELL ANOTHER PULITZER IN THE MAKING!


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