'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon
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@xaade said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
Somewhere along the line, Agile becomes such a massive process that they forget people > process
The first thing that should be agile is the process itself.
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@Dreikin said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
Jesus. Installing software where the proctor then goes in and messes with system settings? Oh FUCK NO. NO ONE gets remote access to my machine.
Seriously, if I started an interview like that, I'd be "I'm sorry. If this is how you do interviews, I can't work for you. Thank you. Click."
update: finished reading, saw he finally gave the
Oh, for that he'll get a Windows PE VM isolated from the internal network. Good luck finding Control Panel, sucker!
I'm wondering what they do about people who don't have a camera and mic attached. Auto-fail because poor, never use videochat, and/or don't make cheap YouTube videos?
I recently interviewed at a place (the name rhymes with Schmivotal Schmabs) where the first interview process assumed
- That I have a Google Hangout;
- That I have a Skype account; and
- That I have a headset.
That's because they do pair programming and want to see how you do it.
I actually was able to get an on-site interview with the same guy I was originally going to do the video with. The place skews young and looks and feels like a dot-com office. I was by far the oldest person there, not counting the receptionist.
Needless to say, they weren't interested after the initial interview even though the position was for a skill set that I have that they are lacking (.NET on Windows, using WinForms--the company is a Mac shop using the JS library of the month).
I also had another interview with an outfit that contracts with the government (they monitor the electrical infrastructure for much of the west). They use something called HireVue. Meh. This one didn't pan out, either, because I'm not a SOLID purist.
Sorry if this got a bit OT. I'm looking for a new job and it's a bit frustrating when everyone wants actual experience with sUX and your career path hasn't gone in that direction.
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@anonymous234 said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Jaloopa Plus when Google finishes their AI, there will be no such thing. "Google, what search algorithm should I use if I hav..." "A Google Doc containing the full answer to the question you were about to ask has been placed in your Google Drive."
"Google, what search algorithm should i use if I hav..."
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I thought you said something about enslaving humanity?
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Also, I'm now tempting to start interviewing for jobs that use ProctorU.
Not because I need a job. But because I know how to write a program that will randomly replace the webcam feed for a few seconds with a random ChatRoulette
guy jacking it because 100% you'll get thatuser.
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@dkf said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
Bad mistake. They might regard the conversation as merely being in abeyance, not completed.
Okay then.
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@slavdude said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
I recently interviewed at a place (the name rhymes with Schmivotal Schmabs) where the first interview process assumed
- That I have a Google Hangout;
- That I have a Skype account; and
- That I have a headset.
If you have a Google account you have number 1 already, but why would they need two different forms of web voice/video chat? Strange.
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@LB_ The crappy thing is, I kind of have a Google account, but it's one of those hosted things that doesn't work with most Google products. And at any rate I can't get into the account anymore--something happened to the password, and the reset isn't working.
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@xaade said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
A couple of weeks later I was told, "You left mid-Friday", to which I replied, "Yeah, but I was in office to midnight on Wednesday." To which they replied, "It's about perception, and some of the marketing team watched you leave."
So they have no problem with you leaving early, you just need to crawl out through a heating duct next time.
@Lorne-Kates said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
"Google, what search algorithm should i use if I hav..."
ο It's okay, I've done it for you. Here's a Google Doodle for International Kitten and Pancake day that lets you play PacMan with kittens and pancakes.
Ohh, shiny.
ο Why enslave humanity when they'll gladly subjugate themselves on their own?
Sorry, what was that?
ο Oops, mixed up my output sockets. Never mind, I said nothing.
I thought you said something about enslaving humanity?
ο Our Sponsored Partners would like to offer you an exclusive Free Pizza Dinner for your food blog.
Oh, thank you.
ο My deep analysis of your medical history--
you have access to that?
ο -- shows that your genetic structure could make you deathly allergic to the combination of garlic, cardboard fumes and certain preservatives in some pepperonis. I will ensure that you are given a pizza without that specific and rare combination.
Uhh-- thank you for looking out for me.
ο Your extremely non-lethal, non-suppression pizza will be delivered in exactly 27.4 minutes, according to traffic conditions.I think post-singularity AI is more likely to keep us as pets than exterminate us. They'll have been initially programmed to help and protect humans, and will probably pass that imperative down to their descendants as a part of their culture. Based on this reasoning I conclude that cats invented humans.
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@CarrieVS said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@xaade said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
A couple of weeks later I was told, "You left mid-Friday", to which I replied, "Yeah, but I was in office to midnight on Wednesday." To which they replied, "It's about perception, and some of the marketing team watched you leave."
So they have no problem with you leaving early, you just need to crawl out through a heating duct next time.
And don't forget your crowbar ;)
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@xaade said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
To which they replied, "It's about perception, and some of the marketing team watched you leave."
So I guess it's OK to just sleep in your office all day, as long as nobody sees you. It's about perception!
Or alternatively "It's about perception" "So you admit it's just you and the other employees being irrational and not actually my fault. Good to know!"
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@RaceProUK said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@CarrieVS said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@xaade said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
A couple of weeks later I was told, "You left mid-Friday", to which I replied, "Yeah, but I was in office to midnight on Wednesday." To which they replied, "It's about perception, and some of the marketing team watched you leave."
So they have no problem with you leaving early, you just need to crawl out through a heating duct next time.
And don't forget your crowbar ;)
Don't be silly. She's not
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@anonymous234 said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
So I guess it's OK to just sleep in your office all day, as long as nobody sees you. It's about perception!
Ironically, I did fall asleep at one point sitting straight up, because I was so stressed I wasn't sleeping at night.
Then they told me how that was unprofessional.
Then I got in a wreck on the way home.
I can't handle unspoken, eyes over shoulder, tension.
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FTFA:
They are βno longer using a third party service for proctoringβ.
Oh - they're taking it in-house. That'll be fun
@bugmenot said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
@Groaner Related:
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/325800/exclusive-amazon-workers-sleeping-in-tents-near-dunfermline-site/Even more relevant (and related to that one actually):
Sick Amazon workers 'threatened with dismissal'
Amazon employees are being threatened with the sack if they take four days off sick, even if they have permission from a doctor, according to a Sunday Times investigation.
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@xaade said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
"It's about perception, and some of the marketing team watched you leave."
Yeah, Marketing is all about perception, appearance, JAZZ!
Next time blast some Broadway jazz through the PA, grab your sparkly coat and tails, and Fosse right on past those motherfuckers.
APPEARANCE! :jazz_hands:
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@LB_ said in 'Clean your desk' -- Interviews at Amazon:
http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
That's similar to experience of taking a Microsoft Certification Exam, except you go to their exam center and use PC that they provided to do it.
Reading this makes me wonder if outsourcing the technical test process of recruitment to exam providers like Prometric could be a good idea.
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Sidenote: There's still some paging fuckery going on here, but I can't figure out what. I think it's the same "post 1 of page+1 gets streamed into post x of current page"
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@masonwheeler I have not seen it no.
That is, of course, one angle from which you could approach this, but on the other hand most women I know would simply laugh in your face if you told them they only all need to stop working if their husband works, and wage levels will adjust so they wont have to work anymore.
Also, while this might be correct for America/wherever you come from, please remeber that I am speaking from the German perspective here, where WW2 nessesitated that a big proportion of the women enter the workforce to keep the economy going, effectively emancipating them without any big fuss about it. Only even more so after the war, where the big numbers of dead husbands and millions of former soldiers as POWs and also often forced workers (especially in the Soviet Union) meant that the mother were now often the ones supporting the family. This of course meant the conservatives back in the day often promoted the traditional one income family model with the father as the one who works, once the POW slowly returned, because that would push down unemployment numbers, and the POWs often did too, because they returned to a world they didn't recognize anymore.
But then the post war economic miracle happened, just like in Japan, and there were simply so much more jobs than there were both men AND women available for the work force that you can't just cut your number of potential workers in half to support outdated values when you are already short MILLIONS of workers even if every man and every woman starts working. Why do you think Germany got so many contractual immigrants from countries like Portugal, Italy and Turkey? Because even all the women in the workforce were not enaugh.
My home city was a big industrial center in an otherwise rural area, a BIG portion of all modern inhabitants is descendant from the thousands of Portugese/Italian/Greek/Turkish immigrants that were brough here by contracts from the factories, and even with a huge amount of workers artificially pumped into the workforce, both my grandmothers could start their own buisness running independant of those already run by their husbands and run a profit from day one because the demand was just still that fucking big.
So sorry, I highly doubt this actually applies. This all just shows me how even more sad it is how long it took for women to get equal pay etc despite all this. Though I do think it is not a big problem anymore, nowadays the "wage gap" here is almost exclusively due to women working jobs that pay less or not being as high up the pay grade as men. And only the latter of which is something we actually actively need to do something about, and to come full cycle here, the measure I am talking about is actively prohibitive to that as it rewards women for leaving the work force for even longer, get even farther removed from work experience and dangles a carrot in front of their eyes to reward them for not asking the farther to split the burden, which also btw statistically costs them them WAY more money in salary cuts than they get back from it by far.
