POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY
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@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Homeopathy has some cures
All a homeopathic treatment can cure is low glucose levels
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@Jaloopa said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Homeopathy has some cures
All a homeopathic treatment can cure is low glucose levels
And a fat wallet. Mostly the wallet, they don't contain much sugar.
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@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Research on live humans captured in war. (Japan WWII)
Not only in Japan…
(I feel like I have to add at least a million disclaimers to this post to clarify that I'm not trying to say that Hitler did a good job at anything. There was some extremely cruel, but interesting research, though.)
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@asdf said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
"Private insurance companies are evil" -Obama
private insurance companies clapping and nodding in support of ACAOnly because they managed to successfully convince your government to drop the idea of public insurance, which was a part of the original draft. IIRC, mostly the Republican party - but some Democrats as well - strongly opposed the idea of public insurance.
This is not an excuse for the fuckup that the ACA has become, but it was mostly your party who insisted on fucking it up.
That argument holds no weight because the Democrats were in control of Congress and not a single Republican voted for the bill. For that matter, apparently nobody even knew what was in the bill until after it passed.
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@asdf if unethical research wasn't more effective we wouldn't need ethics committees
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@ufmace said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Sadly, this is pretty typical of anti-Trump journalism. Find some meaningless bullshit, blow it way out of proportion and declare that you've discovered the real Trump that he's been hiding all along.
Which is weird, because he's not hiding anything. He produces enough actual material himself, since he neither hides his lack of knowledge nor his questionable personality.
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@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
I continue to doubt claims of efficiency.
If you like. Roche blew 500 grand in the same time period on direct campaign contributions and well over five million on lobbying. That we know about. In the same time period they scored millions of dollars in drug testing contracts. All that money comes from somewhere.
Salaries are lower in academia than in industry, and the fraction of it that gets spent on graft is easier to trace.
(commencement speakers are such a racket. They serve no purpose whatsoever. At least they're relatively cheap. Even Clinton is barely 250 grand, and she makes a big splash per penny compared to their hundreds of millions yearly budget.)
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I love this election cycle. Choices are limited to.
- Ignorant and unlikable.
- Unethical and addicted to lying.
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@Captain said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
@abarker $6000 deductible is small
But it isn't overinsured, as you keep claiming.
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@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
I love this election cycle. Choices are limited to.
- Ignorant and unlikable.
- Unethical and addicted to lying.
so what's new?
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@mott555 said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
That argument holds no weight because the Democrats were in control of Congress and not a single Republican voted for the bill.
I know. As I said, it's not an excuse. But the Republican party still did the lobbyists who tried to fuck the bill up a huge favor by associating "public insurance" with death panels.
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@xaade I would even say that all 4 properties you mentioned apply to both candidates.
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@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Ignorant and unlikable.
Unethical and addicted to lying.Ha ha which is which ha ha
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@asdf said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
associating "public insurance" with death panels.
And the liberals countered with private insurance death panels.
Even though, when they produced a graph comparing the two, a little math showed that they both had the same per capita declines in coverage.
They had the # of patients, and the # of procedures, but pretended that the fixed number of private procedures declined was higher, even though private carried more patients...
It was stupid.
The point is that one was not better than the other. And to assert that it would get better if we handed over all of it to the American government was insanity. We barely handed over anything, and they only managed to help a few % of people at the cost of fucking everyone.
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@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
The point is that one was not better than the other. And to assert that it would get better if we handed over all of it to the American government was insanity.
That's why I like the German model where we have both. The availability of public insurance makes sure that private insurance companies cannot try to bankrupt you and that cartels have no chance, and the private insurance companies make sure that there are still other options in case the government fucks up.
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@asdf said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
The availability of public insurance makes sure that private insurance companies cannot try to bankrupt you and that cartels have no chance, and the private insurance companies make sure that there are still other options in case the government fucks up.
That may be the case.
But in America, we're just as likely to end up with the public option collaborating with the companies and raising the fixed price anyway.
The whole ACA was a backdoor deal to private insurance.
The single payer thread was a few well-meaning guys who got fucked over by their party.
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@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Are you a teacher? I've heard that government employees have it that bad right now.
Nope. Programmer/DBA/tester/web admin/etc. for a moving company.
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@Jaloopa said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Homeopathy has some cures
All a homeopathic treatment can cure is low glucose levels
Did you hear about the homeopathic terrorist?
He threatened that unless his demands were met, he'd put a single drop of cyanide in the city's water supply!
@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
I love this election cycle. Choices are limited to.
- Ignorant and unlikable.
- Unethical and addicted to lying.
Wait, which one is which?
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@masonwheeler Know what is even more fun? Someone who got into accidents all the time, and still insisted that he was a good enough driver to 'get away with' pulling dumbass shit every time he got behind the wheel.
The only thing that surprised me is that heart disease got my father before his own bad driving did, though admittedly he hadn't been driving for a couple of months before he died - but only because he couldn't afford to replace the last one he wrecked.
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@masonwheeler said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
He threatened that unless his demands were met, he'd put a single drop of cyanide in the city's water supply!
He's not a very good homeopath then, is he? If he was he'd put a single molecule of cyanide in the water supply, and it would cure death.
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@AyGeePlus said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
@masonwheeler said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
He threatened that unless his demands were met, he'd put a single drop of cyanide in the city's water supply!
He's not a very good homeopath then, is he? If he was he'd put a single atom of cyanide in the water supply, and it would cure death.
ERROR_ELEMENT_NOT_FOUND
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@masonwheeler said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Wait, which one is which?
That's part of the joke.
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@mott555
for you.
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@AyGeePlus said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
@masonwheeler said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
He threatened that unless his demands were met, he'd put a single drop of cyanide in the city's water supply!
He's not a very good homeopath then, is he? If he was he'd put a single molecule of cyanide in the water supply, and it would cure death.
He's not a very good terrorist then, is he?
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@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
I love this election cycle. Choices are limited to.
Ignorant and unlikable.
Unethical and addicted to lying.#cthulu2016
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@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
I love this election cycle. Choices are limited to.
- Ignorant and unlikable.
- Unethical and addicted to lying.
Wait. Which is which? (like it really matters...)
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@dcon said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Wait. Which is which? (like it really matters...)
@masonwheeler said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Wait, which one is which?
@AyGeePlus said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Ha ha which is which ha ha
You guys should start a thread, and everyone on the forums can ask me which is which.
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@xaade which one?
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The Washington Post is using the term "new level of panic" to describe the Republicans today.
“He can’t learn what he doesn’t know because he doesn’t know he doesn’t know it,” Gingrich said. He added, “You cannot allow yourself to be drawn into fights that aren’t relevant to winning the presidency.”
Unknown unknowns!
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Is it time to resurrect the Bull moose party?
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@theBread said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Is it time to resurrect the Bull moose party?
We've already got two bull parties anyway. Do we really need a third?
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@xaade and they only managed to help a few % of people at the cost of fucking everyone.
Congratulations on figuring out how insurance works. Everybody pays. Some people get paid benefits for their losses. Everybody is better off.
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Would you stop with the false equivalences?
I agree with ACA in two areas.
- Diabetes
- Pre-existing conditions.
Yet, to help those two groups, they crafted a law that ended up doubling people's premiums in an unnecessary way by adding a bunch of earmarks to the bill.
I'm sorry, that's not equivalent to, "that's just how insurance works".
And besides, that's not how insurance is working anyway.
Insurance is broken in the same way social security is broken, but N+ magnitudes worse.
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@blakeyrat said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
The Washington Post is using the term "new level of panic" to describe the Republicans today.
If only people had said this would happen 16 months ago.
Oh wait. Everyone did.
And fuck the media for going "omg how could you let this happen" now. They aren't blameless in this shit. The Drumpfucker's entire platform is based around "Look at me, I'm an egotistical maniac who will stir up shit for media attention for my own gain".
And the media of all flavors fell right for it. Sure, every time you print a headline about him, you get clicks/ad impressions/whatever metric you're jerking off to today-- but you also gave him a popularity boost. Attention whore gets attention when you give him attention!
Had the media done what it should have done-- ignored him like the joke he is-- 16 months ago, you wouldn't have this "panic".
So yes, the Republicans are panicking because they're going to have to sleep in the bed they've shit in, but there's a lot of blame to go around here.
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Let's see what Forbes has to say about that lie.
The median increase was 4% in 2015. (That's smaller than pre-ACA increases, and below inflation).
According to the McKinsey study, “In the 41 states releasing exchange participation carrier data, the number of health insurers increased by 26 percent between 2014 and 2015. In the 19 states with complete fillings, the number of products grew 66 percent, with most in the silver tier.”
It's a good law. It's making America stronger. But OMG THE MSM IS LYING TO US!!!!!!111ONEONE!
I see the Trumpets in the room don't appreciate the truth.
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@Captain Screw averages. Judging from that map, the ACA is totally screwing over my entire region. The ACA has had a huge negative impact for me and many others I know. You don't just throw half the country under the bus to pander to the other half, that's not right.
Plus screw Forbes. They won't even let me see the article.
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@mott555 The regions with the highest rate increases are the regions with the lowest/slowest enrollment rates. The states where people enrolled quickly did not see dramatic increases.
There's something called adverse selection: sick people want insurance, and healthy people might kind of sort of want it, but they are more willing to hold off on it. So the sick people in, for example, Louisiana signed up fast, and then the rest kind of sort of didn't. So the small population of healthy people who signed up is paying for a relatively large population of sick people.
In states where "everybody" signed up fast, there's a large population of healthy people paying for a relatively small population of sick people. (That's how insurance works!)
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@Lorne-Kates said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
@blakeyrat said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
The Washington Post is using the term "new level of panic" to describe the Republicans today.
If only people had said this would happen 16 months ago.
Oh wait. Everyone did.
A parable
Once upon a time, there was a village, and the village had set a boy named Media to watch over its sheep.
One day, Media heard of a black sheep who got
arrestedslightly inconvenienced by a policeman because the neighbor saw someone breaking into his house and called the cops like a good neighbor would, and the belligerent black sheep--whose house it actually was--refused to deal with the cops in a reasonable way which would have cleared things up in no time.So Media raised the alarm. "RACIST!" he cried. "RACIST!" And all the people of the town came running to defend the black sheep... until they got the facts. Then they just looked at Media with mild disgust for the false alarm, and went back to their daily lives.
A while later, Media heard the tale of a black sheep with a history of violence and drug abuse who attacked a neighborhood watchman and got himself killed for his own stupidity, and he raised the alarm again. "RACIST!" he screamed at the top of his lungs. But this time, he was intent on being taken seriously, so he edited phone logs to twist the watchman's words, and did everything within his power to make the guy look like he was some sort of thug who had a problem with black sheep.
And all the villagers got up in arms about it... until they learned the facts, and they ended up leaving again, grumbling about Media and his false alarms.
His poor behavior continued for years, with the citizens growing more and more desensitized to each new false alarm, until one day, the big bad wolf, a slavering brute with badly combed-over hair, crept into the sheepfold and began loudly announcing plans to devour the black sheep and drive the brown ones out of the village's lands to make them graze elsewhere.
"RACIST!" screamed Media to all the townsfolk, pointing and desperately trying to rouse them to deal with the big, bad wolf. But at this point, we all know how this story ends...
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@masonwheeler said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
got himself killed for his own stupidity,
That's cool and all, but cops aren't supposed to shoot people in the back. That's not their job. They're supposed to arrest people, so that they can go to trial and be sentenced by a judge and then (maybe, if the crime warrants it) get executed by the state.
Shooting someone in the back is just criminal. Literally criminal.
The problem is prosecuting these crimes.
Whether "Dead Black Peson of the Day" is innocent or a 5 time felon is irrelevant if he got shot in the back while in handcuffs or shot in the back while running away.
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@Captain said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
@masonwheeler said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
got himself killed for his own stupidity,
That's cool and all, but cops aren't supposed to shoot people in the back. That's not their job. They're supposed to arrest people, so that they can go to trial and be sentenced by a judge and then (maybe, if the crime warrants it) get executed by the state.
Shooting someone in the back is just criminal. Literally criminal.
Not sure who you're thinking of, but the person from this example was not shot by a cop, or in the back, and it wouldn't have happened at all if he hadn't tried to go for the guy's gun.
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@masonwheeler Who are you takling about?
I'm talking about Walter Scott, who fought a cop and tried to go for his gun and then ran away and was shot in the back. (I would agree that going for a cop's gun is monumentally stupid, but it isn't a capital crime...)
And then there's Alton Sterling, who was shot in the chest while handcuffed and on his back.
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@blakeyrat said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
party leaders call for a reset.
So one of your two parties has just rigged the primaries to have the candidate they wanted to win win, while the other has let them run their course and is now marveling at shit hitting the fan.
Why do you even keep having elections?
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@masonwheeler said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
A parable
Parable of an Idiot Storyteller.
A+ would read again.
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@Captain said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
The median increase was 4% in 2015. (That's smaller than pre-ACA increases, and below inflation).
Yes.
The elderly saw their rates drop, and the middle working class saw their rates rise.
But, it's only 4% because I have a chart.
We can also increase minimum wage by lower wages in California so we can pay Louisiana more...
@Captain said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
In states where "everybody" signed up fast, there's a large population of healthy people paying for a relatively small population of sick people. (That's how insurance works!)
No.... people age 20-26 signed up because now they can, without a job, and don't have to pay for it.
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Ah, so you people actually still think they count the votes? How adorable.
mute
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@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
No.... people age 20-26 signed up because now they can, without a job, and don't have to pay for it.
No, people age 20-26 are paying for seniors' care.
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@Captain You mean my tax money is paying for senior's care... in the guise of 20-26 year-olds getting these worthless subsidized high deductible plans that don't help them actually pay for healthcare.
I don't think you've gotten the concept of the subsidies down. You keep ignoring it when I bring it up, and none of your arguments work in the context of the new tax arrangement.
You do realize that the ACA is working towards eventually taxing benefits as well as the current increases in taxes to support the subsidies they're paying out...
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@Maciejasjmj said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
Why do you even keep having elections?
Good question.
We got all upset about Iran fixing its elections... then we let their manchurian leader into the UN, to act like an idiot in front of everyone... talking about being the instrument of worldwide chaos in order to bring god back (sounding like some cliche anime villain)
Then we did the same thing Iran did in our primaries...
???
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@xaade said in POLITICS The Collapse of the RNC BEGINS TODAY:
then we let their manchurian leader into the UN
Sometimes the best way to get what you really want is to let others talk, and the whole purpose of the UN is to let senior politicians from around the world talk. Not so much to each other of course, but even so…