New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...
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@Gąska said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Erufael said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Fox Clap On/Clap Off?
Long time ago, somewhere on internet I found a story where someone move to new house. He didn't take all their stuff yet, so had to connect his XBox to such clap-on extension cord. He was playing Call of Duty without headphones, and the cord recognized grenade explosions as clapping...
Wasn't there a thread somewhere about "hacking" via TV-enabled voice recognition...
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@dkf said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
Note that while these particular lightbulbs might be ordinary ones, there most certainly are some that are genuinely internet enabled.
I've briefly considered buying light bulbs that second as WiFi repeaters.
Then I found the manual online and failed to see how one was supposed to configure authentication, so I dropped that idea.
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@Zecc said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
that second as WiFi repeaters.
Ouch!
I'd hate to see the kind of channel usage you'd have there...
And RFI from the bulb, for that matter...
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@dcon Are Clapper wall switches a thing, and are they good at filtering out noise from the TV?
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@Fox said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@dcon Are Clapper wall switches a thing, and are they good at filtering out noise from the TV?
Yes, and no.
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@sloosecannon said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
no.
And that's why Clappers are bad.
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@Fox There's also the issue that you can only have one thing respond to clapping in the room. Or many, but all have to turn on/off together.
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@Kian said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Fox There's also the issue that you can only have one thing respond to clapping in the room. Or many, but all have to turn on/off together.
And if one of the many things gets out of sync, Life Sucks™
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@Kian @sloosecannon Also, yes.
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@dcon said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
The Clap
peris a thing
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@sloosecannon said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
And RFI from the bulb, for that matter...
Do incandescent bulbs produce much RFI (in the WiFi bands...)? Or am I just too Paleolithic to be involved in the IoT.
The problems with non-incandescent light bulb technologies:
- Standard fluorescents: inconvenient form-factors.
- Compact fluorescents: slow to reach max brightness.
- All fluorescents: break one ==> mercury spill, weird colour spectrum.
- Low-pressure sodium: not available for in-dwelling use, weird orange light, very slow to start up.
- High-pressure sodium: not available for in-dwelling use, weird pink light.
- LED: not easily available in high-brightness. "High" in this context appears to mean "over 40W equivalent".
That said, I have a couple of bed-side lamps that cannot take more than 40W bulbs, and they do just fine on LED bulbs that draw about 8W each.
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One of my mate couldn't work out how to change the lightbulbs in his house, so he just had loads of candles until his girlfriend came back from holiday.
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@lucas1 laziness or "oh my God, I can't believe you made it to adulthood" stupidity?
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
LED: not easily available in high-brightness. "High" in this context appears to mean "over 40W equivalent".
ORLY?
looks pretty available to me. :-D
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
LED: not easily available in high-brightness. "High" in this context appears to mean "over 40W equivalent".
I've got some high-brightness spots in the kitchen which are definitely over 40W equivalent each. Those are purpose-built as LED spots though; finding reliable retrofit LED bulbs at that power may be trickier.
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@Fox said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
And that's why Clappers are bad.
Not everyone watches TV all day.
Clappers aren't bad, they just don't fit your use case.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
LED: not easily available in high-brightness. "High" in this context appears to mean "over 40W equivalent".
That said, I have a couple of bed-side lamps that cannot take more than 40W bulbs, and they do just fine on LED bulbs that draw about 8W each.
really? Here in the US, 8W bulbs are 60W equivalents. I've got a couple in my living room and one in the bathroom (over-mirror globe...G25, I think) and they are noticeably brighter than the incandescents they replaced, in addition to having a much whiter light.
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@PleegWat said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
I've got some high-brightness spots in the kitchen which are definitely over 40W equivalent each.
Me too. They're pretty great.
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@dcon I dunno about that, but there are these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGZeU4s28kkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpLUXPvcEMA
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@accalia said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
LED: not easily available in high-brightness. "High" in this context appears to mean "over 40W equivalent".
ORLY?
looks pretty available to me. :-D
Hmm. Well, I can't easily go into the place where I can buy incandescents up to 200W (perhaps more), and get them. Well. I couldn't the last time I tried, which was ... I'd say about 2 years ago. Perhaps I should look again.
And yes, they are for substituting into an existing fitting that takes some sort of bayonet or Edison screw bulb.
Note: the place where I buy light bulbs is the same hypermarket where I buy my food.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
I can buy incandescents up to 200W
they make those in led too
https://www.amazon.com/LC-LED-Commercial-Residential-Non-Dimmable/dp/B017XC2LQ8
@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
And yes, they are for substituting into an existing fitting that takes some sort of bayonet or Edison screw bulb.
hmm assuming by edison you mean the standard screw found on the A19 lightbulb (that's the standard teardrop 60-75W incandesant size) then yeah. those are all over the place.
the post plugins are harder to find, for both hallogen and led, but you can find them too, just make sure you know the exact spec of the connection when searching so you're not disappointed with a 30-60$ glowing paperweight. ;-)
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
Compact fluorescents: slow to reach max brightness.
When's the last time you tried one? They fixed that like a decade ago.
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@blakeyrat said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
Compact fluorescents: slow to reach max brightness.
When's the last time you tried one? They fixed that like a decade ago.
Never. Mercury spills, no thanks. (I don't often drop light bulbs, like almost never, but I don't want a mercury spill in my dwelling-place.)
And how long does it take them to get to full brightness these days?
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
And how long does it take them to get to full brightness these days?
about a hundred times longer than an incandescant..... so about a tenth of a second.
they still glow really faintly for about ten minutes after you shut them off... that's not getting fixed unless they change how physics works though.
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@accalia said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
I can buy incandescents up to 200W
they make those in led too
https://www.amazon.com/LC-LED-Commercial-Residential-Non-Dimmable/dp/B017XC2LQ8
@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
And yes, they are for substituting into an existing fitting that takes some sort of bayonet or Edison screw bulb.
hmm assuming by edison you mean the standard screw found on the A19 lightbulb (that's the standard teardrop 60-75W incandesant size) then yeah. those are all over the place.
the post plugins are harder to find, for both hallogen and led, but you can find them too, just make sure you know the exact spec of the connection when searching so you're not disappointed with a 30-60$ glowing paperweight. ;-)
Well, for the 200W bulbs, I'm looking for the form-factor shown on this page (not that exact bulb, obviously, but that shape):
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@accalia said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
And how long does it take them to get to full brightness these days?
about a hundred times longer than an incandescant..... so about a tenth of a second.
OK, last time I looked at them, it was pretty quick to get to 60%, then about 30 seconds to get the rest of the way to 100%.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
Well, for the 200W bulbs, I'm looking for the form-factor shown on this page (not that exact bulb, obviously, but that shape):
HALOLINE Standard | HALOLINE | OSRAM
huh..... that's a pretty odd standard....
pretty long too....
i found this guy in about a minute of searching:
https://www.amazon.com/Bonlux-Dimmable-Daylight-Floodlight-Replacement/dp/B01CV4RSWA
300W equiv, but she's only 118mm long, not the 186 of the HALOLINE.....
happy hunting there dood. the odd sized bulbs are a bitch to find no matter what.
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@accalia said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
Well, for the 200W bulbs, I'm looking for the form-factor shown on this page (not that exact bulb, obviously, but that shape):
HALOLINE Standard | HALOLINE | OSRAM
huh..... that's a pretty odd standard....
pretty long too....
i found this guy in about a minute of searching:
300W equiv, but she's only 118mm long, not the 186 of the HALOLINE.....
happy hunting there dood. the odd sized bulbs are a bitch to find no matter what.
And there's no way that LED thing would go in my light fitting if it is that shape all round. Well, no way at all, now that I've looked at all the pictures on the Amazon page. (And mine might not be that length either. I'm not at home where I can measure it.)
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
And there's no way that LED thing would go in my light fitting if it is that shape all round.
and there we have the other problem with replacing halogen with LED..... LED takes up more room for the same light than Halogen.
LED is competitive in area for lumens against incandescant and Flourescent, but not halogen.
:-(
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
And how long does it take them to get to full brightness these days?
Faster than the framerate of my eyeballs.
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@accalia said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
And there's no way that LED thing would go in my light fitting if it is that shape all round.
and there we have the other problem with replacing halogen with LED..... LED takes up more room for the same light than Halogen.
LED is competitive in area for lumens against incandescant and Flourescent, but not halogen.
:-(
Found it! The ones I use are Philips linear halogen bulbs, the R7s form-factor, similar to this one (French page, sorry)...
http://www.philips.fr/c-p/8727900922233/halogen-tube-halogene
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@ScholRLEA Ah - I think that's what it was... (xbox)
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
OK, last time I looked at them, it was pretty quick to get to 60%, then about 30 seconds to get the rest of the way to 100%.
That's pretty much how the ones I've got now work. You get what you pay for...
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
That said, I have a couple of bed-side lamps that cannot take more than 40W bulbs, and they do just fine on LED bulbs that draw about 8W each.
Uhh they have some really bright LED bulbs at Walmart. I forget the exact lumen's, but at least as bright if not brighter than the old conventional light bulbs. The ones we've put in our home are certainly brighter.
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@Erufael said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
That said, I have a couple of bed-side lamps that cannot take more than 40W bulbs, and they do just fine on LED bulbs that draw about 8W each.
Uhh they have some really bright LED bulbs at Walmart. I forget the exact lumen's, but at least as bright if not brighter than the old conventional light bulbs. The ones we've put in our home are certainly brighter.
That's great for people who have easy access to Walmart. I don't. I buy my bulbs where it's convenient. That is, in my local Carrefour, where I buy my groceries, because I go there anyway, so I might as well get my bulbs there while I'm at it.
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@Steve_The_Cynic You could think of it this way: They should last a lot longer, so maybe take a trip. See if there are any other home improvement things you could do at the same time. :D
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@Gąska said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Erufael said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Fox Clap On/Clap Off?
Long time ago, somewhere on internet I found a story where someone move to new house. He didn't take all their stuff yet, so had to connect his XBox to such clap-on extension cord. He was playing Call of Duty without headphones, and the cord recognized grenade explosions as clapping...
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/16/aaron-paul-xbox-one-advert-accidentally-turning-consoles-on
When Microsoft released its latest Xbox One marketing campaign starring Breaking Bad star Aaron Paul, it probably thought it was on to a winner. But while the advert is undeniably impressive, with Paul issuing his new console commands using his familiar tones, it appears this has been having a rather unfortunate side effect for anyone who actually owns an Xbox One already.
Numerous people are reporting that Paul is managing to turn on their consoles by uttering the "Xbox On" command in the advert. While other voice instructions the star utters don't seem to have the same effect, in an unfortunate number of cases this is causing the TV set to default to the Xbox One dashboard and interrupting their viewing experience.
Edit: similar to, but not quite d by, a post by ScholRLEA
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@Gąska said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Erufael said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@Fox Clap On/Clap Off?
Long time ago, somewhere on internet I found a story where someone move to new house. He didn't take all their stuff yet, so had to connect his XBox to such clap-on extension cord. He was playing Call of Duty without headphones, and the cord recognized grenade explosions as clapping...
Not that anyone cares, but that was my story about my friend who moved to Nashville. We still get a good laugh out of it.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@sloosecannon said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
And RFI from the bulb, for that matter...
Do incandescent bulbs produce much RFI (in the WiFi bands...)? Or am I just too Paleolithic to be involved in the IoT.
The problems with non-incandescent light bulb technologies:
- Standard fluorescents: inconvenient form-factors.
- Compact fluorescents: slow to reach max brightness.
- All fluorescents: break one ==> mercury spill, weird colour spectrum.
- Low-pressure sodium: not available for in-dwelling use, weird orange light, very slow to start up.
- High-pressure sodium: not available for in-dwelling use, weird pink light.
- LED: not easily available in high-brightness. "High" in this context appears to mean "over 40W equivalent".
That said, I have a couple of bed-side lamps that cannot take more than 40W bulbs, and they do just fine on LED bulbs that draw about 8W each.
Well I feel like LED bulbs have more RFI, namely from the AC-DC adapter built in to the bulb. But both of them probably have bad RFI if you're that close to the bulb itself.
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@FrostCat said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
Not everyone watches TV all day.
Not all clap-like sounds come from TV.
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@Jaloopa
My mate is pretty much doesn't give a fuck and he gets his girlfriend to do all the house work.I have one light bulb in my kitchen working because I can't get the other two stupid LED things to turn because i think it is rusted in there or something.
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@Fox said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
Not all clap-like sounds come from TV.
No kidding. That still doesn't mean they're worthlesss--just useless to you.
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@FrostCat said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
No kidding. That still doesn't mean they're worthlesss--just useless to you.
And anyone else whose household routinely involves such sounds.
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@Fox said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@FrostCat said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
Not everyone watches TV all day.
Not all clap-like sounds come from TV.
@Fox said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
@FrostCat said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
No kidding. That still doesn't mean they're worthlesss--just useless to you.
And anyone else whose household routinely involves such sounds.
:gig--- um....
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@blakeyrat said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
When's the last time you tried one? They fixed that like a decade ago.
For some definition of "slow", no. I bought some 60Ws just a couple of years ago that would come on at about half-brightness for a second or so, then jump to about 80-90% and take "a little while" longer to get to full brightness. I never timed it or anything but it was more than long enough to be noticeable.
And now they're all replaced with 8W LEDs that are brighter and whiter than incandescents, although they do still have a visible half-second-or-so ramp up.
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@Steve_The_Cynic Based on a half-assed Google, I found these http://www.homedepot.com/p/Westinghouse-75W-Equivalent-Soft-White-T3-Double-Ended-RSC-Base-LED-Light-Bulb-0318700/206712686 which may or may not be the same? (I just looked for "R7S LED"). If that's not right, and there's a real equivalent, a less-half-assed search will probably find it.)
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
OK, last time I looked at them, it was pretty quick to get to 60%, then about 30 seconds to get the rest of the way to 100%.
That was my experience too. I guess those bulbs could've been sitting in a busy aisle at Walmart for 8-9 years and I just happened to get the really old ones, though. Two or three times.
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@Steve_The_Cynic Here's a 189mm R7S LED. Dunno if it'll fit, though: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CQBJ4H0?psc=1 Looks like it might not be 300W-equiv, though, because it says 15W, and earlier links said 30?
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
That is, in my local Carrefour, where I buy my groceries, because I go there anyway, so I might as well get my bulbs there while I'm at it.
That doesn't work out so well if their stock is limited, though, apparently.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in New vector of hacking attacks - lightbulbs...:
Do incandescent bulbs produce much RFI (in the WiFi bands...)?
Incandescent bulbs shouldn't produce any RFI. An incandescent lamp is literally just a piece of wire (and some glass to enclose it and some other, non-conducting wires to hold the filament wire in position). If it's generating RFI, it's not the bulb, but probably a bad connection that's acting as a rectifier and, most likely, getting hot and posing a fire hazard.