Everyone learns what DRM feels like in 3... 2... 1...



  • https://generationopportunity.org/articles/2016/03/24/college-student-couldnt-afford-braces-so-he-3d-printed-his-own/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=3D+Printing+&utm_campaign=Organic

    AKA capitalism does socialism better than socialism.

    Guess I'll have to start preparing to protect it, because the IP is going to become a big problem with physical things pretty soon. Digital gave us the technology to copy music, and now people are going to have pretty powerful access to copying physical things. I wonder how this is going to go down, because it's definitely going to pull more people and industries into the fray.

    And even though metal is more expensive than plastic as a material, the cost of 3d printers, even for metal, is going to go down over time.



  • Are you proposing that they invent DRM for physical objects?

    How would that even work? How do you keep multiple people from wearing a shirt at the same time?


    Filed under: obvious sarcasm


  • BINNED

    @ben_lubar said:

    Are you proposing that they invent DRM for physical objects?

    How would that even work? How do you keep multiple people from wearing a shirt at the same time?

    Use a rootkit of course! install Blakey-ism into their brain and they will boot into patent-protection mode before they wake up.



  • The thing is the people who hold the IP (whether copyright or patent) can whine and complain all they want, in certain cases they'll find it's almost impossible to enforce. The best they could do is maybe look for easily downloadable models of their products which could be simply printed out, but in the case of this clever college student, there's nothing stopping other savvy students from doing the same thing, and they can do so without having to download a model.

    The IP holders are going to be left having to deal with it the same way they did when VCR's came out and there was panic over the fact that people could simply tape movies and shows right from their TV sets.


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    @xaade said:

    And even though metal is more expensive than plastic as a material, the cost of 3d printers, even for metal, is going to go down over time.

    But you have to use different types of designs, mostly because metal conducts heat way better, which can cause tricky problems with one layer melting the layer below. (You gotta keep it all fairly warm to get a good bond between the layers, of course.)

    Pro mode: use titanium.


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    @xaade said:

    And even though metal is more expensive than plastic as a material, the cost of 3d printers, even for metal, is going to go down over time.

    Shapeways and others simply use a lost-wax casting process so I'm not sure it matters for home designs.



  • @xaade I'm not sure that printing your own braces comes under the heading of "good idea".

    The plastics used for 3D printing are quite certainly containing all kinds of nasty chemicals to give the plastic the properties needed for 3D printing.

    Not something you want to want to carry around in your mouth all day.



  • @xaade He didn't copy anything, he actually researched it and modelled it himself.



  • @Rhywden said:

    Not something you want to want to carry around in your mouth all day.

    They have used 3D printed implants already so I guess there are some possibilities



  • @Rhywden said

    The plastics used for 3D printing are quite certainly containing all kinds of nasty chemicals to give the plastic the properties needed for 3D printing.

    Not something you want to want to carry around in your mouth all day.

    Could you coat them with something less nasty?



  • @Luhmann said:

    @Rhywden said:

    Not something you want to want to carry around in your mouth all day.

    They have used 3D printed implants already so I guess there are some possibilities

    I'm pretty sure that they don't use run-of-the-mill plastics for that.

    @hifi said:

    @Rhywden said

    The plastics used for 3D printing are quite certainly containing all kinds of nasty chemicals to give the plastic the properties needed for 3D printing.

    Not something you want to want to carry around in your mouth all day.

    Could you coat them with something less nasty?

    They're stressed constantly which would strip the coating very quickly. You need plastics which don't incorporate the nasty stuff.

    The reason why I'm not more informative about what "nasty stuff" this actually is: We simply don't know (and by "we": I mean us consumers. The producers do know, of course). If you go to a producer of plastics and ask them about the chemicals they're using - you will not get an answer. This is only partly due to being trade secrets - because the same producers (if you approach them from a different angle) will happily tell you that they'll put anything into the base material if you wish them to.
    You probably know about BPA. The substitutes for that are not much better either.



  • @Luhmann said:

    They have used 3D printed implants already so I guess there are some possibilities

    Last year I got an implant. The dentist laser-scanned my tooth, removed it, and installed a post. I then expected her to put a temporary on and set up a follow up appointment. Instead, she pulled the permanent crown from the printer, and finished up.

    This was just a run-of-the-mill family dentist - not some university research department or an oral surgeon.



  • @Jaime said:

    an oral surgeon.

    :giggity:



  • @anonymous234 said:

    @xaade He didn't copy anything, he actually researched it and modelled it himself.

    Possibly, but I wouldn't be surprised if Invisilign tried to sue him for patent infringement if they cared enough about it.



  • @xaade What DRM feels like?

    ... it feels like something?



  • There's already some progress in laying down rules:

    The creation of three-dimensional physical representations (3D-print, molded copy, CNC-routed copy, and the like) of Content or any three-dimensional art derived from the Content is permitted only for personal, non-commercial use by the User. Additionally, the user may not grant other entities or individuals the right to produce such physical representations of the Content except for the sole purpose of providing the print to the User for their personal use.



  • @blakeyrat

    Point being, when SHTF, we'll be able to relate to people that just wanted to print something for their friend, how this DRM stuff has affected digital media for decades.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    @xaade What DRM feels like?

    ... it feels like something?

    It feels like anal rape. Literally exactly like anal rape. I-- hey, what happens when I do # in nodebb? Do I get a huge screaming "anal rape" or a tag "anal rape". Let's do some anal raping and find out!

    #anal-rape



  • @Lorne-Kates I did not expect "none of the above"


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    @dkf said:

    Pro mode: use titanium.

    I'm actually plotting to use titanium for 3D printing on a personal project once I can find a way to do it for some sum of money that isn't ten times what I would be able to afford after selling a kidney.


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    @Jaime said:

    @Luhmann said:

    They have used 3D printed implants already so I guess there are some possibilities

    Last year I got an implant. The dentist laser-scanned my tooth, removed it, and installed a post. I then expected her to put a temporary on and set up a follow up appointment. Instead, she pulled the permanent crown from the printer, and finished up.

    This was just a run-of-the-mill family dentist - not some university research department or an oral surgeon.

    That's actually super cool that it's already at that point. I wasn't expecting that sort of thing to happen for another several years at least.



  • @Lorne-Kates

    You're preempting my study on how anal rape and rape culture affects the homosexual community.



  • @Fox said:

    @Jaime said:

    @Luhmann said:

    They have used 3D printed implants already so I guess there are some possibilities

    Last year I got an implant. The dentist laser-scanned my tooth, removed it, and installed a post. I then expected her to put a temporary on and set up a follow up appointment. Instead, she pulled the permanent crown from the printer, and finished up.

    This was just a run-of-the-mill family dentist - not some university research department or an oral surgeon.

    That's actually super cool that it's already at that point. I wasn't expecting that sort of thing to happen for another several years at least.

    I guess the technology is already long in the tooth?



  • @xaade said:

    @Lorne-Kates

    You're preempting my study on how anal rape and rape culture affects the homosexual community.

    I've been informed by the mods that I'm disrupting the community by trying to create an "anal rape" tag, and that I should be more mature and respectful.

    LOL just kidding, a mod PM'd me to show me how to do tags.

    anal-rape

    Though instead of tags, I just got a very big anal rape.



  • @Lorne-Kates said:

    I just got a very big anal rape.

    On the receiving end for once?



  • @loopback0 said:

    @Lorne-Kates said:

    I just got a very big anal rape.

    On the receiving end for once?

    Yes, because I just got a notification of a new reply in this thread, so I clicked on it. And it highlighted my own "big anal rape" reply. Even though yours is the new reply. Because I already clicked on a "new post" notification and got my own message.

    So NodeBB is incapable of accurately or reliably targeting a particular reply.

    Red Boob.


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    @ben_lubar said:

    Are you proposing that they invent DRM for physical objects?

    How would that even work? How do you keep multiple people from wearing a shirt at the same time?


    It is called religion. Just give them a stupid book that says:

    thy shallth not wear a shirt at the same time

    I just suggested to name it Blakey-ism



  • @Fox said:

    I'm actually plotting to use titanium for 3D printing on a personal project once I can find a way to do it for some sum of money that isn't ten times what I would be able to afford after selling a kidney.

    Your penis or someone else's?



  • anyone remember the persuadertron from syndicate? and that the entire population in that game had mind controlling chips installed on their brains?



  • @fbmac We have those already too. You can tell who's been fitted with one because they yell at you for admitting to using an ad-blocker.



  • @Lorne-Kates

    This applies...


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    @anotherusername said:

    @Fox said:

    I'm actually plotting to use titanium for 3D printing on a personal project once I can find a way to do it for some sum of money that isn't ten times what I would be able to afford after selling a kidney.

    Your penis or someone else's?

    Neither. The body part i intent to augment is lower.



  • @Lorne-Kates said:

    So NodeBB is incapable of accurately or reliably targeting a particular reply.

    It accurately and reliably targets the last read reply, but calls the link the first unread reply. Or was it last unread reply?


  • SockDev

    @PleegWat

    *whistles innocently*
    *drops something*
    *walks away as if nothing happened*


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