Apple Encryption Sum-up



  • Encryption: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) – 18:01
    — LastWeekTonight

    Good video to send to your clueless dad who thinks the Government/police is always right no matter what they ask or how.

    New thread because I notice the old one turned into shit.



  • frist



  • Ok, I'm not digging the cracked.com like jarring humor, but the ending montage is worth the watch.



  • @Remy even used the video in his recent article (which isn't out yet).



  • "..just because a man can walk on the moon does not mean he might as well be walking on the sun..."
    Ha ha... wait, why is no one in the audience laughing? Guess they didn't get or like the joke
    "..a point some raised recently in the New England Journal of Smash Mouth [laughter and applause]"

    Hooray for unnecessary joke explanations.



  • @anonymous234 said:

    unnecessary

    Even with the explanation I don't get the joke. Not everyone has the same context. I just thought it was a good analogy, I didn't really expect that it was somehow also a joke.



  • If you don't get it without the explanation you most likely won't get it with it. Which makes it even worse as it doesn't really explain.



  • Can somebody summarise this for us poor brits who are not allowed to watch it?



  • Government officials who don't understand encryption think that if Apple makes this backdoor, only the white hats will be able to use it, and only when they're supposed to. Lots more iPhones with evidence waiting to be cracked if Apple gives in. Foreign governments with less-than-stellar regard for privacy, human rights and espionage watching very closely.



  • Also, why are all Republican candidates against Apple on this? Aren't they supposed to be the party that upholds the "don't give up liberty for safety" thing? No gun control? Small government? Personal and corporate freedoms? It almost seems like they don't uphold these values at all.



  • @anonymous234 said:

    Aren't they supposed to be the party that upholds the "don't give up liberty for safety" thing?

    They seem to be the party that is scared of any kind of technology, be it medical, security, or safety related.

    Remember, these are the same people who refuse to allow the sale of any device that would make it harder for someone who is not the owner of a gun to fire it. The same people who oppose birth control because it's frightening to their -39th century belief system.



  • Which I wouldn't have found
    Had I been bound
    Apprentice to a pilot.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=012tbFzd0R4


  • Dupa

    It really is a good and funny video.

    Kudos, Blakey!



  • Ah, so nothing new from the past week or two then. At least you guys don't have power crazed lunatics trying to pass legislation that will force apple to just give them they key or provide a back door.

    Although they fully support encryption and don't want it weakened.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @anonymous234 said:

    Also, why are all Republican candidates against Apple on this? Aren't they supposed to be the party that upholds the "don't give up liberty for safety" thing? No gun control? Small government? Personal and corporate freedoms? It almost seems like they don't uphold these values at all.

    The War on Drugs and the Patriot Act weren't enough for you to figure that out? Better late than never, I guess...



  • As the video points out, even Lindsey Graham changed his mind on this issue once he learned a little bit about it.

    Anyway, the reason is Republicans (again, like my own dad) have this strange "the Government/police are ALWAYS right" attitude. Over the last 2 years, with all those new police brutality videos surfacing, you can guarantee hardcore Republicans like my Dad would come up with talking points to explain why it's "just part of the job" to toss a bound prisoner in the back of a box-van and drive it so hard you literally kill him.

    I have no idea what the Republican platform says on the issue.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @ben_lubar said:

    refuse to allow the sale of any device that would make it harder for someone who is not the owner of a gun to fire it.

    That's because not one of them has been proven reliable yet, and because some states have laws mandating that as soon as one of those devices goes on sale, regardless of reliability, within a couple of years, every gun sold must have one.

    @ben_lubar, upset that someone doesn't want lock-sellers selling keys not guaranteed to work with the lock they come with since whenever.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    I have no idea what the Republican platform says on the issue.

    It certainly doesn't say anything like that. The problem is that people don't like to change their minds once they're made up, or you wouldn't have people like Hillary Clinton crowing about how little abortion is regulated, in spite of the fact that she wants everything else regulated like crazy, and that people like Kermit Gosnell managed to kill al lot of Black babies and injure a bunch of non-babies precisely because nobody wanted to regulate abortion in any way. So liberals all shrug when they hear he was sticking scissors in the backs of the necks of babies.



  • @ben_lubar said:

    They seem to be the party that is scared of any kind of technology, be it medical, security, or safety related.

    Remember, these are the same people who refuse to allow the sale of any device that would make it harder for someone who is not the owner of a gun to fire it

    The retarted gun trolling thread is undefined



  • @Nocha said:

    At least you guys don't have power crazed lunatics trying to pass legislation that will force apple to just give them they key or provide a back door.

    We don't? Much of the video was snippets of Federal legislators, the President, and Presidential candidate(s) spouting off on the evilz of encryption.

    @anonymous234 said:

    Also, why are all Republican candidates against Apple on this?
    Actually, the video showed one Republican (oops, my bad: not a candidate; an incumbent Senator, I think) who changed his mind and is now opposing the introduction of the backdoor. undefined by Blakey.



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    We don't? Much of the video was snippets of Federal legislators, the President, and Presidential candidate(s) spouting off on the evilz of encryption.

    Your morons might be spouting off, but ours have actually got some horrifying legislation getting pushed through at the moment. Take a look at a summary...



  • The good thing about the US is that the Government spends about 90% of its time in a deadlocked standstill.

    EDIT: that is really shitty legislation. How are police justifying their wire-taps given it's not a right granted them?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    How are police justifying their wire-taps given it's not a right granted them?

    If I recall correctly it is

    Terrorists

    and a slight sprinkling of

    Paedophiles

    For those of us who actually realise what is happening and how bad things are it is incredibly frustrating to watch it all get blindly accepted by the general population. Especially when people who point out issues are met with replies along the lines of

    The Government is not seeking to ban or limit encryption. The Government recognises the important role that encryption plays in keeping people’s personal data and intellectual property safe online.

    ...

    There shouldn’t be a guaranteed safe space for terrorists, criminals and paedophiles to operate beyond the reach of law.

    The Government is clear we need to find a way to work with industry as technology develops to ensure that, with clear oversight and a robust legal framework, the police and intelligence agencies can, subject to a warrant which can only be issued using a strict authorisation process where it is necessary and proportionate, access the content of communications of terrorists and criminals in order to resolve police investigations and prevent criminal acts.

    That is an actual quote.



  • I know why they're saying they're doing it, I'm asking how they're justifying it.

    Do they get warrants? Or are they just doing it with absolutely no oversight or organization at all?



  • @Nocha said:

    That is an actual quote.

    "We have no idea how any of this stuff works, but it definitely works this way."



  • @blakeyrat said:

    absolutely no oversight

    This one pretty much for GCHQ and I think the police use RIPA (which is also freaking horrific legislation) pushed to the limit. The whole point of the IPB is to try and put some oversight and control around what they have been caught doing. By making it all legal.






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