Outlook: Wait, what?


  • mod

    Oh, yeah, thanks, let's change the ti-- wait, what? Which of those changes the time and which doesn't?


  • mod

    I clicked "Don't Send". The message remains open, so I guess it didn't send.

    Wait. Is it asking me to change the time manually? Jesus, I'm just adding a note to a reoccurring meeting!


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    Oh it's perfectly obvious, it's actually one of those "Cancel/OK" dialogs, with "Cancel" being the default option.
    Clearly, pressing "Enter" in this case will return you to your MeetingItem, where you're expected to adjust the time yourself.

    Pre-edit: :hanzo:'d by OP, thanks.



  • I would assume that “Don’t Send” causes the request to not be sent, allowing you to change its details and then try again.


  • mod

    Huh. It was set to expire today, that's the problem.



  • @Gurth said:

    I would assume that “Don’t Send” causes the request to not be sent, allowing you to change its details and then try again.

    Yes, consistent with every other Outlook dialog that offers "Don't Send" and "Send Anyway".



  • I usually just press Send Anyway and then figure out what its issue was afterwards :laughing:


  • mod

    Yeah, I did that and got a decline-all from the conference room >.>


  • sockdevs

    Wow, that's one rude conference room…



  • Sounds like the best conference room.

    "Oh they want a meeting and everyone has better things to do than attend meetings... DECLINED"



  • The best thing about Outlook/Exchange is that resources like conference room, projectors, etc. act as if they are people. I love getting emails from a projector.



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    Oh, yeah, thanks, let's change the ti-- wait, what? Which of those changes the time and which doesn't?

    It very clearly asked if you want to change the meeting request time. :pendant:


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @anotherusername said:

    It very clearly asked if you want to change the meeting request time.

    Changing the first button to something like "No, don't send (so I can make the change)" would probably be an improvement.



  • Based on the question, "No" would be the "I don't want to change the time; send it anyway" option.



  • I think TRWTF is that Outlook doesn't appear to have an "edit all future events in the series, but leave past events alone" option. So if you want to edit an entire series, but some events are in the past, you run into weirdness like this where it's trying to re-send old event notifications.

    For comparison, Google calendar's web interface lets you make any edits on an event in a recurring series, and then when you try to save the edits it asks:



  • When updating a series, I've never known it give a shit about past events.



  • They'll change, though, if you edit the series (and you haven't already made changes to that occurrence). I think it only prompts you if you're about to send a change notification to all the meeting's attendees; otherwise it doesn't ask before saving the edit.

    Whenever you try to open an event that's part of a recurrent series, it asks if you want to edit the event or the series. If you edit the event, it edits an exception to the series; you can make changes to the exception and save it without affecting the rest of the series. If you edit the series, it changes every event in the series that hasn't been overruled by an exception, including events in the past.



  • @anotherusername said:

    it asks if you want to edit the event or the series

    Yes. I almost always edit the series.

    Maybe I just don't edit a series frequently enough to notice Outlook doing something silly.



  • You probably just don't have any other invitees added to the events who'd get email notifications due to your edits.


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    @anotherusername said:

    I think TRWTF is that Outlook doesn't appear to have an "edit all future events in the series, but leave past events alone" option.

    Ah - the joys of implementing RFC5545. RECURRENCE-ID;RANGE=THISANDFUTURE is apparently not a thing in Outhouse?



  • I have had before and still not noticed it, but don't at the moment.

    The only recurring event in my calendar organised by me at the moment is the one that blocks out lunch time to stop people organising calls then.


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    That sounds suspiciously like something "standard".


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Arantor said:

    That sounds suspiciously like something "standard".

    Not at all.

    It's a request.

    For comments.



  • @Arantor said:

    That sounds suspiciously like something "standard".

    Something to be embraced and extended?

    Filed under: And some other "E" word?



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    Is it asking me to change the time manually? Jesus, I'm just adding a note to a reoccurring meeting!

    @Yamikuronue said:

    Huh. It was set to expire today, that's the problem.

    Russian accent: You expect meeting invite to work like forum.... error gets you!



  • Expiring meetings are :barrier:s to :disco::horse:



  • @Yamikuronue said:

    Jesus, I'm just adding a note to a reoccurring meeting!

    Showing the dialog for this is TR :wtf:


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @HardwareGeek said:

    Filed under: And some other "E" word?

    Embolism? At least what it feels like when I have to interact with MS email products.

    Thankfully only restricted to https://outlook.office.com/owa these days. People still try to contact me using the chat feature on there. They get ignored...

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25009451/ProgrammerInterrupted.png


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Oh, that looks like what happens to me 3-5 times daily lately.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @FrostCat said:

    3-5 times daily

    Wanna swap jobs? Recently it seems I rarely get to pane 4 or 5 of that cartoon.

    I have that cartoon printed, and tacked to the side of my monitor. Only one person has actually noticed it since it went up a fortnight ago.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @PJH said:

    Wanna swap jobs?

    You, ah, would not thank me. The current thing occupying all my time that others aren't stealing is overcomplicated, which isn't a big deal, but it's also not at all fun.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @FrostCat said:

    but it's also not at all fun.

    Sure? (My latest distraction to be distracted from - post reproduced for those without Lounge access):

    @PJH said:

    From: Stefan Eld - Dept Head
    To: PJH, <and a few other devs>

    <stuff about new development needed, among which...>

    b) Timescales to allow any modem to use any SIM

    From: PJH
    To: Stefan Eld

    > b) Timescales to allow any modem to use any SIM

    Wait. Wot?

    We had a meeting specifically about this last year. We would (procedurally) restrict SIMs to a single modem to reduce confusion, ease configuration and not have to rewrite existing software. And that decision was to be disseminated to, among others - and especially, Sales.

    From: Stefan Eld - Dept Head
    To: PJH

    <mumble mumble...>

    The general expectation is “any SIM to any WAN”. Most other bids including the <firmware affected> include this as a function so we need it imminently anyway.

    So basically 40 man hours wasted with the meeting who's conclusion was either not disseminated or (more likely) totally ignored, with probably about another 120 man hours to be wasted implementing the code changes required.

    :headdesk:

    (and for the obvious comments that came from that last para - the 120 hours was a guestimate and likely to extend to 1200 man days. Before it (if it does) hit QA.)



  • @PJH said:

    @HardwareGeek said:
    Filed under: And some other "E" word?

    Embolism? At least what it feels like when I have to interact with MS email products.

    Thankfully only restricted to https://outlook.office.com/owa these days. People still try to contact me using the chat feature on there. They get ignored...

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25009451/ProgrammerInterrupted.png

    [rant]
    Yes, THAT GUY who walks up to me to talk interrupt me about the EMAIL HE JUST SENT...and couldn't wait for a response...
    He needs to DIE!!
    [/rant]

    If you enjoyed that rant, here are similar comics that are much more entertaining.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @redwizard said:

    Yes, THAT GUY who walks up to me to talk interrupt me about the EMAIL HE JUST SENT...and couldn't wait for a response...
    He needs to DIE!!
    [/rant]

    No. I haven't read your email yet. Email isn't real time communication. I use gmail to read work email - it takes a while before gmail decides to query the work mail server. If you want something important (rather than something trivial) doing now, interrupt me. ­ Don't interrupt me for trivial stuff.

    That was the essence of a conversation I had with a recent hire (it was trivial crap.) He's learnt.

    I think.

    If you enjoyed that rant, [here are similar comics that are much more entertaining][1].

    Our printer may run out of ink. Or paper.



  • @PJH said:

    here are similar comics that are much more entertaining.

    Which reminds me... why do people put their email address in their email signature? I have their email address - they've just fucking emailed me.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @PJH said:

    That was the essence of a conversation I had with a recent hire (it was trivial crap.) He's learnt.

    And in defence of the other new hire (we have two) he seems to be more situationally aware of the office environment. Then again, he's been dragged into this. So I get to see what his foibles are.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @loopback0 said:

    @PJH said:
    here are similar comics that are much more entertaining.

    Which reminds me... why do people put their email address in their email signature? I have their email address - they've just fucking emailed me.

    Having been using Discourse for so long, and knowing its limitations (and how to work round them,) and how infrequently people get misquoted at the moment bearing that in mind...

    How the fuck did you misquote that?

    *smiley face*


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @loopback0 said:

    put their email address in their email signature? I have their email address - they've just fucking emailed me.

    IKR? I think it's to follow the "Memo" format methodology. If they ever print it, it will be at the top (assuming the client doesn't hide the email address if it's a known contact) and bottom (due to signature).



  • @PJH said:

    How the fuck did you misquote that?

    I didn't realise the quoted post was off screen until afterwards, so just selected the first instance of that link I saw.
    Fixing it was effort so I just went with it.



  • Outlook already does that. By default. That specific print layout in the print dialog is literally called "Memo View".


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @TwelveBaud said:

    Outlook already does that. By default.

    @Tsaukpaetra said:

    assuming the client doesn't hide the email address if it's a known contact
    It also does :arrow_heading_up: by default. I literally put that comment there.



  • @Tsaukpaetra said:

    If they ever print it, it will be at the top (assuming the client doesn't hide the email address if it's a known contact) and bottom (due to signature).

    I think it's reasonable to assume that the person printing it has a copy of the email.
    So Person A is printing an email to give to Person !A who is going to reply to that piece of paper using an email - which makes no sense because Person A can forward it to Person !A or... no, I can't think of a single scenario where putting your email address into your email signature makes any sense.


  • Impossible Mission Players - A

    @loopback0 said:

    no, I can't think of a single scenario where putting your email address into your email signature makes any sense

    Nope! I think it's just a holdback from something. Who knows?!


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @PJH said:

    Sure?

    You read @arantor's latest post in his Lounge thread about being overbooked? Ok, imagine that, except that one of the things is like whatever UKians have in place of the W-2 (or pick any form a company must file with the government by a certain date or else) and that if you don't finish it on time all of your clients are going to face fines or something, but they're half the reason you're overbooked timewise because they keep emailing you to ask how to do something you've told them how to do a hundred times and your bosses won't let you bill them.



  • @loopback0 said:

    why do people put their email address in their email signature?

    So I can easily copy pasta it when re-creating your question in the ticketing system?



  • @FrostCat said:

    You read @arantor's latest post in his Lounge thread about being overbooked? Ok, imagine that, except that one of the things is like whatever UKians have in place of the W-2 (or pick any form a company must file with the government by a certain date or else) and that if you don't finish it on time all of your clients are going to face fines or something, but they're half the reason you're overbooked timewise because they keep emailing you to ask how to do something you've told them how to do a hundred times and your bosses won't let you bill them.

    So they get fined for being incompetent? Sounds good to me.

    Only joking, I know how this works. They get fined because they're holding you up, you get the blame, right?



  • @loopback0 said:

    why do people put their email address in their email signature? I have their email address - they've just fucking emailed me.

    It could be forwarded and/or printed out, and at some point the sender's address might get abbreviated to just their name.



  • @loopback0 said:

    Which reminds me... why do people put their email address in their email signature? I have their email address - they've just fucking emailed me.

    Even better are those people who send you mails like this:

    From: joe@blow.com To: me@localhost Subj: My new address

    My new address is joe@blow.com.



  • @anotherusername said:

    @loopback0 said:
    why do people put their email address in their email signature? I have their email address - they've just fucking emailed me.

    It could be forwarded and/or printed out, and at some point the sender's address might get abbreviated to just their name.

    Common use would be responding to a catch-all/common mailbox.

    e.g.:
    You send an email to customersupport@thedailywtf!.com
    Alex replies on behalf of customersupport@thedailywtf!.com (which is the From: address), with alex@thedailywtf!.com in his signature line - because he wants you to be able to reach him directly going forward.

    (Inserted '!' to foil any scrapers out there, just in case they're otherwise valid addresses).



  • @Gurth said:

    Even better are those people who send you mails like this:

    From: joe@blow.com To: me@localhost Subj: My new address

    My new address is joe@blow.com.

    ...so you'll be sure to notice that Joe is not the same as the Joe that usually mails you, and update your address book accordingly.


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