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  • 🚽 Regular

    @antiquarian said:

    What color is the sky in your world?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Sunset_at_Lone_Pine_-South_Australia%28Explored%29.jpg

    Photo credit: Jacqui Barker


  • 🚽 Regular

    Fun fact: you see the image above because in the raw post I wrote only the URL to it, because if I try to put it in an image tag like this:

    <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Sunset_at_Lone_Pine_-_South_Australia_%28Explored%29.jpg">

    ...it breaks:

    ...because Discourse rewrites the src attribute to:

    https :// upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Sunset_at_Lone_Pine_-<em>South</em>Australia_%28Explored%29.jpg

    Surely this is a brand new bug that I've only discovered now, and not a long-standing bug that has already been reported to the Discodevs months ago. Right? Right?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    It's a new one to me.

    Even if we could report it to JeffCo, they'd just point out that it'll maybe be sorted when they move to whatever the constantly changing future markdown engine is.


  • 🚽 Regular

    I remember a variation of this bug being identified for links ages ago. Has that one been fixed?

    That image

    Nope.

    Alternate syntax works though.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Zecc said:

    Has that one been fixed?

    YMBNH.


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    @PJH said:

    There appear to be a few missing arrows...

    Yeah, the arrows are only drawn in the "interesting" part. Just imagine double-sided arrows between stopped and jammed as well as free and impeded free.



  • That is an ivory tower ideal though.

    In a situation where you are the first car in the pack, there is no advantage to waiting, because if you wait, either the gap will close up, or you'll wait until you can no longer merge at optimal speed.

    It's the same concept as an on ramp. You merge once the line breaks and you have an opportunity to merge at optimal speed. You do not wait until you run out of ramp and risk losing an opportunity to merge at optimal speed.

    Waiting too late to merge has the same negatives as merging too early.

    If you are parallel to a gap and find yourself having to slow down due to the cones, then you've messed up as well.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    If you're the first car, what would you be waiting for?



  • @loopback0 said:

    If you're the first car, what would you be waiting for?

    Apparently the advice is to wait until you reach the cones.

    Which my argument is that if you do that you'll most likely have to slow down.



  • Well, at this point I'm just repeating what I've already said, so... I'm out.



  • Yes, and it spends most of its time advising the person in the free lane to create space so that people can merge when they are at optimal speed, which has been my argument.

    Forcing late merging and forcing early merging both create the situation on the left.

    Don't wait until the last minute where you have to stop in order to merge. You just broke the flow as well.

    Filling up the constricting lane isn't the primary point of this strategy, the primary point is to encourage a scenario where everyone can merge at optimal speed.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @xaade said:

    Apparently the advice is to wait until you reach the cones

    For what? You're the first car.



  • Worst "I'm out" ever.



  • @loopback0 said:

    For what?

    To use the entire capacity of the constricting lane.

    It's been what everyone has been telling me this entire time.

    @ChrisH said:

    Then at the last minute

    @boomzilla said:

    USE THE ENTIRE ROAD THAT'S THERE.

    @HardwareGeek said:

    empty, unused lane

    Whereas my argument this entire time has been.

    @xaade said:

    ideal is to stretch the zipper merge out as far as you can in order to merge seamlessly at the closest to speed limit as possible.



  • @abarker said:

    Worst "I'm out" ever.

    Yeah, you're right.

    I'm going to mute.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @xaade said:

    To use the entire capacity of the constricting lane.

    But.... nevermind.



  • @xaade said:

    the primary point is to encourage a scenario where everyone can merge at optimal speed.

    If the road is being utilized at more than 50% of unimpeded capacity, nobody can merge at optimal speed, regardless of when they merge. The objective then becomes to encourage most efficient use of the road, which means not leaving available roadway vacant.



  • I think the confusion is that there are two different scenarios being talked about, and each party involved is absolutely convinced that everyone is discussing the same scenario.

    Most of the people here are talking about the situation when the lane being merged into is already backed up and stopped, so you are effectively unable merge without disturbing the flow of traffic. This scenario is best illustrated by the picture that started this entire discussion:

    The problem with early merging in this case is that it forces all the traffic into a single lane much earlier than necessary, effectively doubling the length of the backup. This means that incoming traffic will encounter the backup sooner than if both lanes were utilized, which causes the backup to grow even longer. In addition, the longer queue also increases the chances that the backup will interfere with side streets and business or residence access points, causing further complications for traffic flow. Merging late when traffic flow is already compromised maximizes road usage and minimizes the secondary effects of the backup.

    The scenario you seem to be focused on is when traffic flow has not been compromised. As illustrated in the animation you provided here:

    In this case, there is no need to worry about "late merging" versus "early merging" The only concern should be making sure that merging is happening safely with minimal impact on traffic.

    I guess I have two points. First, make sure you are arguing the same thing before you go on a rager. Second, in situations when it really matters, late merging will ensure that there are fewer side effects to the flow of traffic.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    @abarker said:

    fewer side effects to the flow of traffic.

    At the cost of greater side effects to me personally as I sit there watching assholes refuse to let me in :/


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    People don't refuse to let me in for long, even if it means I have to effectively give them no choice in the matter.


  • area_deu

    @xaade said:

    In a situation where you are the first car in the pack, there is no advantage to waiting

    In baa-baa-sheep-everybody-goes-55-land, maybe.

    Over here, on the Autobahn, things are different. Because the SECOND you early merge into your gap, the five cars behind you will speed by and merge farther downstream. So now the driver behind you is pissed because he didn't just let you in front of him, but those five other cars as well. And the whole time until you reach the constriction (and thus the point where you were supposed to merge in the first place), more cars will pass you and him.

    Think he'll leave a gap for you next time?

    Yes, you can call those other drivers (and I will be one of them) assholes for speeding by. But the alternative is that the merge point moves farther and farther upstream because nobody is allowed to pass any car that has already early merged in front of him.

    It's the same concept as an on ramp.
    No. You are NOT required to use zip merging at an on-ramp. At least not over here. The Autobahn has right-of-way. So of course you use every possible gap.

    The only time I see zip merging on on-ramps is when traffic is congested anyway. And then, again, you merge as late as possible to use every inch of the on-ramp to keep things fair and try to keep the congestion off the surface road.


  • area_deu

    @loopback0 said:

    People don't refuse to let me in for long, even if it means I have to effectively give them no choice in the matter.

    This. Act like the law is on your side, because it is. Wasn't some study or article linked here titled "you need to drive ruder"?


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @xaade said:

    Apparently the advice is to wait until you reach the cones.

    Yes, of course. And make sure you knock a few down on your way. Don't leave that part of everyone's argument out.


  • BINNED

    Just show them your arse is bigger and merge anyway.


  • BINNED

    Not bigger per se in the physical sense ...

    Dammit, I just dug a hole I can't get out.


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    It's okay, I happen to have a damn fine arse :)


  • FoxDev

    :giggity:

    oh. wait.

    /me flees from @cloak15



  • @accalia said:

    oh. wait.

    /me flees from @cloak15

    If you had just joined the game, I could have arranged that … :P


  • FoxDev

    @abarker said:

    If you had just joined the game,

    AH BELGIUM!

    i just lost the game!

    thanks for that! i was doing so well before then too!


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @abarker said:

    I think the confusion is that

    You're trying to pollute the 🔥 with sensible facts. Stop it.



  • Sorry. 😞

    I thought it was ok since:

    @xaade said:

    I'm going to mute.



  • @Zecc said:

    Fun fact: you see the image above because in the raw post I wrote only the URL to it, because if I try to put it in an image tag like this:

    <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Sunset_at_Lone_Pine_-_South_Australia_%28Explored%29.jpg">

    ...it breaks:

    ...because Discourse rewrites the src attribute to:

    https :// upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Sunset_at_Lone_Pine_-<em>South</em>Australia_%28Explored%29.jpg

    Surely this is a brand new bug that I've only discovered now, and not a long-standing bug that has already been reported to the Discodevs months ago. Right? Right?

    Escape _ and then it works:

    <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Sunset\_at\_Lone\_Pine\_-\_South\_Australia\_%28Explored%29.jpg">
    


  • @anotherusername said:

    Escape _ and then it works:

    The fracking lengths we have to go to to deal with this shitty software.

    @ben_lubar: Is the migration script you are working on aware of this "feature"?



  • @abarker said:

    @ben_lubar: Is the migration script you are working on aware of this "feature"?

    If it's grabbing the cooked HTML, I don't think it should matter. Luckily.

    Trying to take all of the raw posts and accurately reproduce Discoparsing would be :doing_it_wrong:, I think.





  • The slashes I added aren't in the cooked HTML though. They're only in the raw version.



  • Let me sidetrack the topic a bit.

    When I was in Taiwan, there's once we drived to some spot where the road is painted "double solid white lines" (means you must not change lane). We were heading south and the southward side of road is clogged with vehicles. On the other hands, there are literally no cars driving on the northward side. Therefore, as you might have guessed, some drivers decided to change lane and drive reverse on the northward side of road.

    So it happens that occasionally there were a few cars heading northward. When those drivers see those vehicles coming, they try to insert into the queue. We told my uncle who is the driver of our car "not to let them in" because we're anguy that those who obey the law struggled about 1.5km for an hour but those who break the law drives much much faster. Screw them!

    Call me jerk for telling my uncle not to let them join back the queue, at the price of also wasting time for those innocient drivers heading north at the time. 👿


  • BINNED

    @cheong said:

    Call me jerk

    Join the club. I wouldn't let them back in either.


  • area_deu

    I have this almost daily (in a less dangerous way) with people using the bus lane to turn right at the next light.
    Or using the turn-right-only lane and try and sneak back into the straight-ahead lane in the middle of the intersection.

    Unfortunately, there is always someone too slow or too nice in the line to keep all the gaps closed for a whole cycle. And the cops don't give a shit.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @ChrisH said:

    I have this almost daily (in a less dangerous way) with people using the bus lane to turn right at the next light. Or using the turn-right-only lane and try and sneak back into the straight-ahead lane in the middle of the intersection.

    Sounds like a potential nice earner for whoever runs traffic enforcement cameras in the area…


  • 🚽 Regular

    @ChrisH said:

    I have this almost daily (in a less dangerous way) with people using the bus lane to turn right at the next light.

    That's allowed by our legislation, actually. Assuming you're allowed to turn right in the first place, of course.


  • area_deu

    @dkf said:

    Sounds like a potential nice earner for whoever runs traffic enforcement cameras in the area…

    Traffic what now?
    All we have is maybe ten mobile speed traps (radar and laser) and maybe five fixed red light flash camera thingies for the whole city.


  • area_deu

    @Zecc said:

    That's allowed my our legislation, actually. Assuming you're allowed to turn right in the first place, of course.

    It would make sense here as well, because there's maybe four buses per hour using that particular lane. And those never turn right, they just use the lane to pass the stalled straight-ahead traffic (that gets held up by a separate traffic light controlled by the bus) and jump in front of the queue.



  • We don't have designated bus lanes around here (at least they're not common)... usually there's just a No Parking sign where the bus stop is.

    I have one such intersection on my daily commute where I have to turn right, and I sometimes will use the space as an improvised right turn lane if nobody in the queue ahead of me is turning right (at least, I won't pass them to their right if they've put their right turn signal on). I win, everyone behind me benefits slightly by me being out of their way faster, and it doesn't inconvenience the people in front of me. I get to where I'm going a bit faster, but they're going somewhere else, and they'll get there just as soon as they'd have done if I hadn't bypassed the queue to make my turn.



  • @flabdablet said:

    by far your safest option is to avoid inviting them to re-work that decision

    I'm only halfway through this thread. I miss all the fun these days. Did anybody highlight this yet?

    I survived 15 years on public roads using a motorcycle as my daily transport, and more with it as a fun alternative. I've also survived as a daily cyclist for about a decade so far. I'm two of the most hated classes of road users and I'm still alive and I've had very few actual collisions. Here's my number one piece of advice: Do not violate the expectations of the vehicles around you or they will kill you without a second thought. They will drive right over the top of you, they don't give a fuck.

    The whole "waving people through" thing needs to die.


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