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  • I can no longer recommend the RAT brand of mouses, they're just built like crap nowadays. Either that or the first one I got was a huge fluke. Either way.

    Need gaming mouse suggestions. Desired features:

    1. Switch to adjust DPI (either a "target" switch for sniping, or a real-time DPI adjuster button-- RAT5 has both of those features.) Max DPI in the 5000 range

    2. A scroll wheel that can be clicked without rolling the wheel (the RAT5's wheel clicks sideways, making it easy to hit mouse3 without also scrolling. The sideways wheel click was one of the huge draws to it in the first place.)

    3. Bonus: relatively weighty. (The RAT5 comes with little weights you can insert into the palmrest to change the mouses's weight. To give you an idea: I always use the FULL SET of weights. I need some mass to my mouse.)

    4. RELIABLE. I am sick of having to buy new mouses every few months. I want it to last YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND DECADES AND A long time. (My last RAT5 had the laser go out, so the clicks worked but the arrow no move. This one and the one two mouses ago both developed bouncing clicks very quickly. The one before that lasted for years and years and years with no problem, I ended up giving it to a buddy who still uses it. I think he's still using it.)

    Also I am a disgusting slob who frequently eats at my computer, so if it's durable in the face of crumbs and food slime, that's a plus.

    1. Ergonomic. This is kind of a matter of opinion, but the shape of the RAT5 is nearly perfect for my hand. The replacement can't be some weird frankenstein freak where your hand is vertical or anything.

    2. Something that looks nice would be good. The RAT5 has a very distinctive look to it, which is another thing that drew me to it.

    GIVE TO ME ALL THE SUGGESTIONS

    Cost is not really an issue if it's reliable, and not like $60,000.


  • area_can

    why get a gaming mouse?



  • THANK YOU FOR THAT HELPFUL ANSWER.

    Any mouse that fits the features requested above is a "gaming mouse" whether or not it calls itself that.

    EDIT: one thing I forgot to add: IT HAS A CORD. I do not want a mouse with batteries. If it has batteries, it must ALSO have a cord suitable for being plugged in 100% of the time.

    Just looking at the selection on Amazon, I can already tell the "scrollwheel can be clicked without moving the wheel" requirement is going to be tough.



  • This guy is interesting; it has great reviews, looks like it meets most of my requirements, and is dirt cheap. I might pick one up just for shits. I mean, for $14!

    There's a $28 model on that page also that looks even better.


  • area_can

    my local computer shop has a logitech mouse for 5.99 CAD, might wanna look into that



  • I have like 7 of those in a drawer.

    Here's a RAT5 knockoff that's only $8.99

    EDIT: it's hard to select links and paste them with a bouncing left button. :(


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    I've got one of these and it's like… OK I guess. Not as nice as the RAT I used to have (and which I wore out) but a heck of a lot better than the shit that you can get in Walmart when your scrollwheel breaks late on a Saturday night…


  • area_can

    please remember to mark your question as solved.



  • It looks like it has the sideways clicking scrollwheel, can you confirm? That's huge for me. Otherwise, mouse3 is totally useless to me.





  • WHAT TO DO


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    It looks like it has the sideways clicking scrollwheel, can you confirm?

    It does. I don't usually bind that, but it's got it.



  • "bind" that? What do you mean?

    EDIT: you mean it treats a sideways scrollwheel click as just another button instead of Mouse3? Huh.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    "bind" that? What do you mean?

    You can often change what action a mouse click means in a game. Doing this with mouse1 and mouse2 is usually a really bad idea, but the higher-numbered buttons are more of a personal preference. To me, that mapping from “this physical event” to “that action” is the binding (and yes, it's often context-sensitive); different GUI systems call it different things, but they pretty much all have it as it Makes Good Sense to code everything that way.





  • Well derp I get that, I'm not a retard.

    I just don't see why you'd map "moving the scrollwheel sideways" to anything but mouse3.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    This probably isn't something that will meet your needs but it might be close. My son's had one for a couple of years now. It's got IIRC 4-way DPI, up to 2000, and a 500Hz polling rate. No sideways click. Also no weights, although it's not terribly light. And it's wired, and cheap.



  • Huh. Certainly cheap.



  • I think I'm going to buy the Corsair and Redragon mouses, and either gift the worse of the two or use it at work.

    The Logitech I'll keep as a reserve in case neither of the cheaper mouses are worth shit.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    I just don't see why you'd map "moving the scrollwheel sideways" to anything but mouse3.

    I usually unbind it. :smile: We probably play different types of games.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    This corsair mouse looks pretty good, too.

    Um, ...

    @blakeyrat said:

    >Igniting in the palm of your hand
    I think I'd prefer my mouse not catch fire, TYVM.

    @blakeyrat said:

    three-zone 16.8M color backlighting
    On a mouse? :wtf:???



  • YOU NEED ALL THE LIGHTINGS!!!!!

    No that is a dumb gimmick. Unfortunately, a lot of quality gaming hardware has dumb gimmicks attached to them. Like cases with their cold cathodes and windows and little dials you can use to change the fan speeds if you're a moron.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    Huh. Certainly cheap.

    I'm not a hardcore gamer but it met my needs, including long life. I mean, I can't also guarantee one you bought would last long, of course, but at least at $15, you're not out a lot of $.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    Like cases with their cold cathodes and windows and little dials you can use to change the fan speeds if you're a moron.

    ...or like decoration.

    Your case is probably stone-clad so it looks like some kind of imposing-but-plain slab.

    Do you have little action figures of apes throwing bones in the air surrounding it?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    No that is a dumb gimmick.

    Yeah, I figured that out. That doesn't mean it's not still a :wtf:; the set of dumb gimmicks is mostly, if not entirely, a subset of :wtf:s.



  • Pffft... A mouse? For gaming? That's why this was created:



  • @FrostCat said:

    Your case is probably stone-clad so it looks like some kind of imposing-but-plain slab.

    Yes pretty much.

    @FrostCat said:

    Do you have little action figures of apes throwing bones in the air surrounding it?

    Not yet.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Coolermaster make nice cases.



  • I always liked my Razer Lachesis. Whaddya think? Looks like it will fit your needs. Also, it is reliable. I've had the same (Lachesis) mouse for like 6-7 years, 0 problems.



  • It's way more expensive than all the other options, and also seems to lack several of the features I'm looking for.



  • Not too helpful, but I can echo your experience on the RATs - they start out nice, but the first one had one of the thumb buttons wear out relatively quickly and the second is starting to have trouble with the sensor. Meanwhile the logitech MX 518 I used before that still works and serves my work-at-home station.

    What I really like about the RATs is the ergonomics (Large Dutchman ⇒ large hands ⇒ large mouse) and the weight.



  • I still say the difference between the one I bought initially and the ones now is I bought them before Mad Catz took over the company.

    I think Mad Catz has been cheaping-out on parts.

    EDIT: pretty much all of the reviews for the RAT5 on Amazon are "was great initially, after a couple months parts failed, support from Mad Catz is awful." So. Our experience is the typical one.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    I think I'm going to buy the Corsair and Redragon mouses, and either gift the worse of the two or use it at work.

    I was looking at the Corsair the other day, so interested to see how it works out.



  • Ah. What features are those? I'm sure Razer has something for you.



  • My first one (a RAT 7) actually says 'cyborg' on the bottom where the second says 'mad catz'. So it may have been pre-takeover. I don't keep track to well of when I bought this stuff. The second was a RAT TE, where I transplanted the larger pinky-rest from the RAT 7. I like the extra support.



  • D00d.

    D00d.

    Read the OP. THEY ARE ENUMERATED.



  • I fucking did. Mostly. Okay. Let's do this:

    @blakeyrat said:

    1) Switch to adjust DPI (either a "target" switch for sniping, or a real-time DPI adjuster button-- RAT5 has both of those features.) Max DPI in the 5000 range - Has buttons to adjust, max DPI is 5600.

    1. A scroll wheel that can be clicked without rolling the wheel (the RAT5's wheel clicks sideways, making it easy to hit mouse3 without also scrolling. The sideways wheel click was one of the huge draws to it in the first place.) - Yes

    2. Bonus: relatively weighty. (The RAT5 comes with little weights you can insert into the palmrest to change the mouses's weight. To give you an idea: I always use the FULL SET of weights. I need some mass to my mouse.) - I think so, it's certainly not like the cheapo mice I use at work and whatnot.

    3. RELIABLE. I am sick of having to buy new mouses every few months. I want it to last YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND DECADES AND A long time. (My last RAT5 had the laser go out, so the clicks worked but the arrow no move. This one and the one two mouses ago both developed bouncing clicks very quickly. The one before that lasted for years and years and years with no problem, I ended up giving it to a buddy who still uses it. I think he's still using it.) - Already covered in my original post, yes.

    Also I am a disgusting slob who frequently eats at my computer, so if it's durable in the face of crumbs and food slime, that's a plus. - Yes, my experience has been so and I have maybe cleaned it once ever.

    1. Ergonomic. This is kind of a matter of opinion, but the shape of the RAT5 is nearly perfect for my hand. The replacement can't be some weird frankenstein freak where your hand is vertical or anything. - Opinion, but it isn't anything goofy so it probably is okay.

    2. Something that looks nice would be good. The RAT5 has a very distinctive look to it, which is another thing that drew me to it. - I think it looks nice, but that's an opinion.

    What the fuck did I miss? Are you just being contrarian? Because honestly, this is a really good mouse and I think you'd be happy with it (which is why I recommended it). I can also personally attest to you of its awesomeness and reliability, and you said cost wasn't an issue if it was reliable (I think 6-7 years of use without any issues is good).



  • @rc4 said:

    What the fuck did I miss?

    All the stuff in bold above was not in your first post.


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    Too bad the G400 (MX518) doesn't have a successor that is still being produced. They were good gaming mice and their shape fits my hand perfectly. Fortunately, they're nearly impossible to break, so I might be able to use them for a few more years.



  • @asdf said:

    Too bad the G400 (MX518) doesn't have a successor that is still being produced

    I have 2 spares in the cupboard. It's the most comfortable mouse I've ever used.

    @asdf said:

    Fortunately, they're nearly impossible to break

    Yep, this one has lost quite a bit of paint but still works perfectly. Nicely made things, the buttons withstood some clicking games I got addicted to for a couple of weeks as well...


    Edit: Go away 500 server error, why can't you just work.


  • So in your case you couldn't read the link?



  • @rc4 said:

    you couldn't read

    Note whom you are addressing, and be not surprised.



  • Except the cable breaks after a few years. But you can buy a replacement for $5 on eBay, which is probably sturdier than the original.


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    That's what happened to my MX510. My MX518 is still working, although it's traveled around the world a few times. And the G400 is practically new.

    Edit: My brother just read my post and told me that he stole and repaired my MX510. So that one's still working as well. :smiley:



  • The G502 turned to shit (compared to the G500), though mine survived for 4 years until the scroll wheel started to permanently act up... Logitech QC is quite horrible as well since the G series for some others - I've seemingly been lucky to have it last that long at all.



  • I've never had much luck with Logitech anything.



  • Logitech always used to be excellent hardware with shitty drivers. Which is not a problem until you start using the gaming stuff where the windows default driver doesn't expose all features you want to use.



  • @loopback0 said:

    @blakeyrat said:
    I think I'm going to buy the Corsair and Redragon mouses, and either gift the worse of the two or use it at work.

    I was looking at the Corsair the other day, so interested to see how it works out.

    I've been using that Corsair model for about six months. I haven't had any mechanical issues with it so far. I got it mainly for the build quality and because it was supposed to be comfortable to use. In those regards, it does really well. I don't care much for the LED lighting anymore and didn't buy it for the lights anyway. The software that comes with it isn't the best. You have to have it installed on the computer you are using the mouse with in order to be able to use all of the features. Supposedly, you can save profiles on the mouse to use with other computers but I haven't gotten that feature working.

    @blakeyrat, sorry if I'm a bit late to the party. The build quality of the mouse is solid and I have had no mechanical issues with it in the six months that I've had it.



  • @Placeholder said:

    I haven't had any mechanical issues with it so far. I got it mainly for the build quality and because it was supposed to be comfortable to use. In those regards, it does really well.

    Good to know.

    @Placeholder said:

    I don't care much for the LED lighting

    Can that be completely turned off?



  • @loopback0 said:

    Can that be completely turned off?

    Yes. One of the profiles I use has all of the lighting disabled.


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