The :doing_it_wrong: of the discojuice huffing dude


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    @cregox said:

    But not even TDD?

    Here is their usercard tests:

    Here is their tests of the user preferences:

    https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/master/test/javascripts/acceptance/user-preferences-test.js.es6

    Here are their onebox tests:

    https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/master/test/javascripts/lib/onebox-test.js.es6



  • I just merged it to the post above. ;)

    But no idea what you meant as well.


  • Dupa

    @cregox said:

    But no idea what you meant as well.

    @fbmac has a history of responding to posts and then deleting them.



  • I decided to first try being "civilized" and go by my own rules:

    https://meta.discourse.org/t/the-daily-you-know-what/36475



  • @cregox said:

    How many people do you know would have come here and done what I've done?

    Tease us with promises of defending the indefensible? Not many. They usually stomp off after a while.



  • @cregox said:

    And in our side, we got anarchy. Which is the way to go, ffs... But you need to do it with transparency. Which can't be done if you want to troll people. And will, of course, crash big time against restrictive rules.

    We were warned early to behave differently over there and we did. Big time.



  • By the way, I like how meta.derp has

    but no /c/criticism in sight...



  • Welp, that didn't take long.

    "This page doesn't exist or is private"

    I hope it's the latter...


  • :belt_onion:

    @uncreative said:

    Welp, that didn't take long.

    You're surprised?

    YMBN...

    Oh, you are new-ish, right. Welcome to TDWTFJeff!


  • I survived the hour long Uno hand

    I snagged a screenshot before it was "hidden"

    So hopefully they moved it to a private area, but you never know.



  • @Onyx said:

    @uncreative said:
    Welp, that didn't take long.

    You're surprised?

    YMBN...

    Oh, you are new-ish, right. Welcome to TDWTFJeff!

    Not entirely surprised. If anything, the swiftness of the disappearance DID surprised me, but in a "Wow... it really is THAT bad" kind of way.


    @cregox fwiw, it was a surprisingly good post, and I really hope they made it private instead of censoring you. Please keep us updated on (at least) if they completely silenced you or are having "Civilized Discourse" on the topic.



  • any further talk about this will probably get you banned. they dont think much about banning people from there



  • @cregox said:

    How many people do you know would have come here and done what I've done?

    I still don't even know what you've done!

    It's gibberish to me. If you had some kind of message to communicate in your OP, it certainly didn't get absorbed into my brain.



  • yeah, it was deleted. message was pretty clear. not surprised. :|

    so now, to me, it's either fork or flarum.

    at least now I know for sure nothing what I've done there was worth any shit to them. also not surprised.



  • Flarum is still a beta, but they are testing an import script to nodebb written by @ben_lubar



  • @cregox said:

    Well, there you go. I can't blame him for that.

    You can't? Oh I gotta hear this.

    @cregox said:

    In one side we have Jeff, who likes restrictive rules and getting things done.

    If Jeff likes "getting things done", then he must consider himself the least successful person in history. He still hasn't fixed the Markdown bug with list numbering that HE HIMSELF SPECCED AS BEING INCORRECT:

    1. test5
    2. test6
    3. test7

    (Even worse, it was fixed at one point pre-1.0, for like 2 weeks, then regressed back again.)

    No; he enjoys jawing his mouth about shit he knows nothing about, and enjoying a feeling of power over other people by over-moderating everything. If he were in charge of a country (and thank God he is not), he'd be more Stalin than Roosevelt.

    @cregox said:

    And in our side, we got anarchy.

    Ok, "our" side? That's pretty presumptuous. That's like post number 3 from you. Don't get me wrong, you're perfectly welcome to come here and post gibberish whenever, but might be a bit early to say "our" here.

    @cregox said:

    Which is the way to go, ffs... But you need to do it with transparency.

    It's no secret that the mods here do as little work as possible.

    @cregox said:

    Which can't be done if you want to troll people.

    Not strictly on point, but Atwood was the biggest troll on this forum in the 3 months or so when he regularly posted here.

    @cregox said:

    I wonder what Penn would have done... Hmm...

    Penn? Like... Penn and Teller Penn?

    @cregox said:

    By the way, why haven't you migrated yet?

    Because this time we're looking before we leap.

    @cregox said:

    Or why are there so many bugs here?

    Very very very few of the bugs have been caused by our modifications to Discourse. There have been a couple. But we're not the ones who wrote the Markdown "parser" which can't start a list at 5.

    @cregox said:

    Maybe a better plan would be forking discourse, and making it better. :smile: is it possible?

    No. It's a ball of spaghetti code. The lead developers can't even provide install instructions, it's all they can do to configure one working copy and shove it in a VM. And even THEY can't run multiple copies in a single VM without fucking it up beyond belief, see the recent posts in the Discocalypse thread.



  • @cregox said:

    Is it really so bad, though?

    Yes.

    Have you ever been involved in an actual software development project with professional developers? Discourse has had about 57 bugs that, if they had occurred at our company, would have resulted in firings for incompetency. I'm not exaggerating.

    @cregox said:

    But not even TDD?

    They claim to have tests, but either the coverage is dismally low or they're just plain lying about it.

    @cregox said:

    But I think I can handle it, if it's not really that bad as you say.

    Knock yourself out, but don't expect this community to adopt the result.



  • @cregox said:

    How many people do you know would have come here and done what I've done?

    Jeff, but for the other reason. (being trying to prove he's right and getting pissed at all of us. So satire would throw him off into crazy land).

    @cregox said:

    who got banned and precisely why

    From what I can tell, people got banned because they tried to demonstrate a bug and he pointed at the reproduction method as the problem, even though everyone could reproduce the correct way, and the guy taking snapshots didn't have the opportunity to reproduce correctly before Jeff got hussy.

    And if anyone made a remark that the bug was real, would send him off.

    @cregox said:

    like you say he did to you

    I didn't get banned.

    I use my monitor vertical, and at a certain width the site would go funky. I demonstrated that, and was told that my width wasn't standard mobile width.

    If people are going to rely on variable width, then they shouldn't make these excuses.

    How jarring is it when, say your dragging the window width, and it goes funky, then pops back to correct. Someone would think it's rather cheesy and be wary of other quality problems.

    UI is an indicator of how the rest of it's quality is.

    @cregox said:

    Also from my point of view, I don't give a fuck.

    It's not about that.

    It was that you seemed to think this forum tech was the silver bullet, even though it's has more bugs than similar modern forums, and forum tech was mostly a solved problem.

    @fbmac said:

    The most well written summary

    Yeah.... that's it.

    @cregox said:

    I obviously disagree with a lot of that, but I appreciate all the practical job done this way.

    If practicality is your strength, it has to be accompanied with results.

    @cregox said:

    we got anarchy

    Which is fine if the anarchy is making suggestions to the owner.

    Anarchy is only a problem if it's making the decisions.

    @Onyx said:

    Also, anyone who actually likes Ruby enough to learn it and is an active and trusted member of this forum, please raise your hand.

    I saw someone working on a Ruby project, but it was so baked that I figured the basic ORM from Visual Studio was as good and didn't require knowing new shit.

    @boomzilla said:

    We were warned early to behave differently over there and we did.

    Which basically amounted to, open ass, prepare for puppet stick.

    Jeff is highly paranoid of criticism. He brushes that off with calling criticism trolling or toxic.



  • @xaade said:

    From what I can tell, people got banned because they tried to demonstrate a bug and he pointed at the reproduction method as the problem, even though everyone could reproduce the correct way, and the guy taking snapshots didn't have the opportunity to reproduce correctly before Jeff got hussy.

    No, the ban was because having us interact with the discoteam caused Jeff a lot of stress. I'm sure that's in the disopocalyse thread. That was based on, IIRC, an email from @sam.



  • @boomzilla said:

    caused Jeff a lot of stress

    I don't understand how someone who you don't give much weight, can cause you stress, unless you have a serious mental issue.



  • @xaade said:

    Which basically amounted to, open ass, prepare for puppet stick.

    Not exactly. We just lowered the snark over there and mostly stopped trolling (what was still there was very minimal). Most of that sort of behavior was contained to here. Jeff even spent some discourse money on us (not a lot...something like $200, but still).



  • @boomzilla said:

    We just lowered the snark over there and mostly stopped trolling

    So what exactly was stressful?



  • @xaade said:

    @boomzilla said:
    We just lowered the snark over there and mostly stopped trolling

    So what exactly was stressful?

    It's not easy to be constantly reminded of your failure. Especially when you have such a sub-culture of adoration that has grown up around you over the years. That's my opinion.



  • It seems like he isn't allowing anything that can make him look bad there on meta, as a marketing strategy.

    His customers are more like support forums, with a very differente use case from ours.



  • @fbmac said:

    It seems like he isn't allowing anything that can make him look bad there on meta, as a marketing strategy.

    His customers are more like support forums, with a very differente use case from ours.

    That's his fault for making the bug tracking in the same place as meta for use case discussions and general appreciation.


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    Inb4 banned



  • @cregox said:

    Is it really so bad, though?

    Yes. Yes it is. Jeff made a big thing of the "toxic hellstew" PHP forums, but he's created something much worse. We found 200+ bugs in our first month using it. And it wasn't like these were difficult to find, simply posting a single message generally revealed one or two.

    Go to a biggish thread and spam the like button on a message. Watch Discourse die.



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    no /c/criticism in sight...

    Criticism gets hidden from view. It'd just be an alias for /c/rubbish.


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    @tufty said:

    Watch Discourse die

    Not gonna happen. That's what 504 OK is for ;P


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election



  • @blakeyrat said:

    he'd be more Stalin than Roosevelt.

    QFT

    @blakeyrat said:

    It's no secret that the mods here do as little work as possible.
    And we (mostly) like it that way.

    @blakeyrat said:

    Atwood was the biggest troll on this forum in the 3 months or so when he regularly posted here.
    In a way, yes. He responded to serious questions with meme images. In one case, he responded to a question about their development process by linking a music video about smoking crack, or something like that. He also had mod/admin powers here, and arbitrarily moved posts around to suppress topic drift and force our conversations into his concept of "civilized" discourse (hence the origin of the term "Jeff" posts).

    @cregox said:

    But not even TDD?
    Supposedly, they have "complaint driven development," but only if Jeff agrees with the complaint. Since all available evidence suggests Jeff doesn't really understand forums (he hated and never used them before "improving" them with Discourse), he mostly agrees with trivial complaints about the UI.



  • @xaade said:

    and forum tech was mostly a solved problem.

    People keep saying this, but there isn't any free forum software that people here don't hate, except for flarum and nodebb, and flarum is still a beta. And the paid ones don't look much better than the free. :wtf: is it with forums?



  • @fbmac said:

    but there isn't any free forum software that people here don't hate

    FTFY



  • phpBB is fine. It's significantly better than Discourse.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    They claim to have tests, but either the coverage is dismally low or they're just plain lying about it.

    func TestAdd1Plus1(t *testing.T) {
        x := 1 + 1
        if x != 1 + 1 {
            t.Error("bad")
        }
    }
    


  • We're like reverse smurfs here, instead of being named after something we do too much, the thing itself is renamed after us.

    At least the admins aren't renaming us delety, typoey, ranty, banny, etc.



  • @blakeyrat said:

    "Google of communities?" What the fuck does that even mean?

    10100 instances of misspelt blather.



  • @anotherusername said:

    What good are FAQs if nobody can find them?

    Good question. Somebody should stick it in the FAQ.



  • @tufty said:

    Dying in a fire phpBB is fine. It's significantly better than Discourse.

    <sxdcfvghnjk


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @tufty said:

    phpBB is fine.

    Sure, if you wanna get hacked on a regular basis. vBulletin's better'n phpBB.


  • mod

    @cregox said:

    so now, to me, it's either fork or flarum.

    Forking is a lot of work, especially with all of the regressions they have. Your first task would be to write a full test suite so you have something to run when you do a pull from the main Discourse branch.

    As for flarum, it's not even quite a beta, by their own admission. We've decided against it because the flarum devs said they weren't ready for us. If you want a more mature product that is similar to flarum, take a look at NodeBB.


  • mod

    @cregox said:

    who got banned and precisely why.

    Many of us got banned simply for being associated with this forum. Several people who were banned hadn't posted anything on meta.d for weeks or were actively posting bugs and commenting on topics according to rules at meta.d. The only thing these people did "wrong" was be from WTDWTF.


  • mod

    @fbmac said:

    At least the admins aren't renaming us delety, typoey, ranty, banny, etc.

    Oooooh ...



  • An admin technically did rename @end, though.



  • @abarker could rename him to banny, he isn't using that account anyway :stuck_out_tongue:



  • @fbmac said:

    @abarker could rename him to b tranny, he isn't using that account anyway :stuck_out_tongue:

    <Always full quote fbmac before he deletes his post


  • :belt_onion:

    Hey! That's offensive! No group of people should have Jeff forced upon them!



  • @Onyx said:

    Jeff forced upon them

    Only if you find rape offensive ...


  • :belt_onion:

    @Luhmann said:

    Only if you find rapeDiscourse offensive ...

    Yes, I do.

    Also, <del></del><ins></ins> thing doesn't really work, but I don't know of a non ambiguous way to convey equivalence (without using math symbols which would break the flow of the text and ruin the meme)...



  • @Onyx said:

    ruin the meme


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