Here's our chance: Ask Discourse Why Jeff Broke Bad



  • Slashdot is doing an interview with Jeff Atwood. This could get amusing.



  • The answer is Jeff.



  • Meh. It's open source, it uses markdown, Slashdotters love this bullshit.



  • what's not to love?



  • @fbmac said:

    what's not to love?

    @loopback0 said:

    The answer is Jeff.

    <!--and toasters-->


  • @Dragnslcr said:

    Slashdot is doing an interview with Jeff Atwood. This could get amusing.

    Well, I do love trolling Jeff...
    But I permanently boycotted Slashdot over a year ago...
    But I love trolling Jeff...
    But I permanently boycotted Slashdot over a year ago...
    But I love trol...

    E_STACK_OVERFAP :fa_android: :boom:



  • My reply got nuked after 30 seconds.

    I wouldn't mind, but it was pretty much polite, if ever-so-slightly sarcastic.


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    @Lorne_Kates said:

    OVERFAP

    Um, guys? I need some brain bleach over here.





  • Doing it wronger: Using the flagship of bad IT news review to interview the creator of the flagship of bad forums.



  • Also, we should have some sort of :badger: for someone who gets a question answered in the interview. Maybe start a Lounge thread or a PM for providing proof of your /. question and then award the badges if they get answered by His High Holiness?



  • I don't understand the format of that website. It looks like one of those spam hosts that screen-scrapes forums and mashes everything together into one jumbled mess that's only good at bad SEO.



  • LOL...first two comments I see:

    It has an unfortunate acronym: C-DiCK. Not very civilized. :(

    Add in the fact that most users call it "dick sores" and you have a real wiener... err... winner!



  • @locallunatic said:

    So, which of us was this one?

    :facepalm:



  • Who's the owner on this one?

    7/10 insidious troll question, would read again.



  • Why are you one of the Internet's biggest douchebags?

    :laughing:


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    @mott555 said:

    I don't understand the format of that websiteDiscourse. It looks like one of those spam hosts that screen-scrapes forums and mashes everything together into one jumbled mess that's only good at bad SEO.

    Filed Under: FTFY?


  • :belt_onion:

    :popcorn:



  • Short and to the point, yet understatedly momentous. 9/10.



  • The comments.pl didn't tip you off?



  • Also if some question is even slightly controversial or in any way subjective, it is locked down by a gang of annoying Nazi mods. Don't these guys have anything better to do?

    Almost any question about "is x better than y?" is closed. Threads should be closed only if there is some kind of abuse.

    Link

    Sounds familiar...



  • Eh, Discourse actually looks okay when the UI goes unchangedunbikeshedded for longer than a day, and it isn't spitting out "504 OK" errors, and isn't mocking you with toasters, and isn't timing out, and isn't showing anyone who Likes you as "undefined", and isn't constantly telling you "You don't have access to the requested resource," and isn't using cold?maps, and isn't presenting InfiniSpinners, and...


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Another legitimate objection (that we've already mentioned in another thread here):

    From time to time I search stackoverflow for easy answers and I would say about 20% of the time the question has been closed even though it is the reason I went to stackoverflow in the first place. In most of these instances a useful answer was also provided before closure. So my question to you is simply what gives.

    The most common reason for closure I run into is that the people closing it don't have any domain clue what is being asked and appear to assume if they don't understand nobody else does either.



  • This one might be from us, but the phrasing could not be:

    Jeff,

    I see a lot of users on the Discourse meta forums that appear to be suspended for no particular reason. Many of them seem to have contributed a lot to discourse (if their Senior Tester badges are to be believed). What happened to them?



  • Why is it that when a post of yours gets moved, Discourse generates a notification which takes you to where the post used to be? Something of mine apparently got moved out of the status thread.

    "Hey, your car was illegally parked and got towed away last night."

    "Well, where is it so I can pick it up?"

    "It used to be in the parking garage at 12th and Walnut. Please pick it up before your impound fees start to compound."

    "I had two cars in that parking garage. Which one did you tow and where can I pick it up?"

    "It was the one that used to be at 12th and Walnut before we towed it. Please come pick it up ASAP."

    "Yeah, but where is it NOW?"

    "You know, it's the big gray tall building people put their cars in. It's about five stories high and is at 12th and Walnut--"

    "I know that you nerfherder! I know where it was! That's not the question! WHERE IS MY CAR NOW!?!?!?!"

    "It was at 12th and Wal--"

    "Ah, screw it. Keep my damn car, I'm going to go play Elite: Dangerous instead."



  • As one who only occasionally visits /. when somebody posts a link, I'm not familiar with how their interviews work. When and where do we get to read Jeff's responses?



  • If/when he decides to respond to them they will appear on /. as their own article.



  • Ok, thanks. I'm sure somebody will post a link when it appears.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @tufty said:

    ever-so-slightly sarcastic.

    What does a guy who uses "that fucking cunt" as his long name consider only "ever-so-slightly" sarcastic?



  • It was quite a long post, pointing out the massive bikeshedding that goes on with Jeff and his team of nodding dogs. It ended with something along the lines of

    "Given your focus on tweaking the inconsequential, at what Discourse release number do you anticipate having more functionality than bugs?"

    I posted it, it was there for a while, and now it's gone, gone, gone.



  • I'm not familiar with /. who does their moderation? Is it Jeff disappearing things or do they have mods doing it for him?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Not that I've read /. in ages, but I don't remember posts getting deleted, only marked down to -1.



  • @locallunatic said:

    Is it Jeff disappearing things

    No. Anything going on is purely slashdot
    @FrostCat said:
    I don't remember posts getting deleted, only marked down to -1.

    Likewise. Bug, maybe, they seem to have made the underlying perl hellstew all web1.98 or something. Could be that my browser thought it had successfully posted, but the back end didn't, or has it queued. I was being polite, and "Why are you one of the Internet's biggest douchebags?" is still there, so maybe I'm just being over-paranoid



  • @mott555 said:

    I don't understand the format of that website. It looks like one of those spam hosts that screen-scrapes forums and mashes everything together into one jumbled mess that's only good at bad SEO.

    Yes.


    Filed under: See my earlier comment about boycotting the site.



  • @HardwareGeek said:

    As one who only occasionally visits /. when somebody posts a link, I'm not familiar with how their interviews work. When and where do we get to read Jeff's responses?

    First the Slashdot hivemind has to vote the comment up. This will only happen to people who fellate Jeff.

    Then the Slashdot mods will pick the top rated comments and present them to Jeff. This will only happen to the more fellatious of fellator's fellation.

    Then Jeff will pick and choose which questions to reply to and email them back. These will only be the most fellatious of all fellator's fellatio to the max.

    THEN Slashdot will pick those answers and post them to an article, roughly 2.76 months after the questions were asked-- thus no one will remember or even care that an "interview" was conducted, and will ignore the article.

    SLASHDOT!


  • mod

    @locallunatic said:

    Is it Jeff disappearing things

    There's a slider in the upper right you can tweak if you want to see the comments people didn't like. Which means /. is officially more civilized than meta.:floppy_disk::horse_racing:: because the comments aren't gone forever



  • :rofl:

    In 2012 you left Stack Exchange "to be with your familiy" and then a year later you launched another project/startup.. My question is,what really happened? Did you lie in 2012 when you left Stack exchange, or do you really not want to be with your family anymore?



  • @locallunatic said:

    I'm not familiar with /. who does their moderation? Is it Jeff disappearing things or do they have mods doing it for him?

    Slashdot is (mostly) moderated by its own users, via its moderation, meta-moderation and karma systems.

    A quick summary is that every frequent user from time to time (more often for more frequent contributors) is assigned a small number of points that can be applied to posts. Moderation of a post involves selecting a keyword from a list. "good" keywords increase the post's score while "bad" keywords reduce it. An individual post's total score can range between -1 and 5.

    Nothing is deleted by this system, but readers can configure their accounts to filter out posts whose count is lower than a threshold. You can set yours to -1 if you want to see everything, or to something else if you want to hide those with lower scores.

    And then, to make it more amusing, some people are also granted meta-moderation privs for short periods where they are shown posts, and an associated moderation/rationale and get to vote on whether the moderation was fair or unfair. The meta-moderation results affect the moderators' karma (along with other factors) which in turn affects (among other things) how often he will get moderator points to apply.

    It's far from a perfect system, and I suspect many people here would not like it at all, but it seems to work for them.

    See also



  • "Leaving to be with family" translates to "asked to leave but not fired" whenever you see it (one possible exception being if combined with to deal with cancer or such). Who doesn't know that? Though I guess it works as a way to get him to admit such.



  • @locallunatic said:

    "Leaving to be with family" translates to "asked to leave but not fired" whenever you see it (one possible exception being if combined with to deal with cancer or such). Who doesn't know that? Though I guess it works as a way to get him to admit such.

    Sometimes it's a more polite way of saying "I'm tired of working with those assholes".



  • I wrote this comment, I'll then post it as a reply to http://features.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8311807&cid=50910821 (since that comment is visible by default right now) in 30 minutes (internet points are very time sensitive, the earliest the best), so if I got anything wrong send any corrections now. I omitted a lot of stuff to keep it short.

    EDIT: posted, removed from here for brevity

    <!-- lol I'm just hiding it actually--> <script> >Actually, please allow me to post the full story here since I suppose most slashdot users don't know about it. >Once upon a time there was a website called The Daily WTF, it was pretty popular. And they needed to replace their old forum with a newer one, so the owner of the website chose Discourse, because apparently he was friends with Jeff Atwood. >Now, the users in that forum tend to troll each other a lot, and they love to find bugs in crappy software (it's the whole reason for the website). They found a severe XSS vulnerability within 24 hours, and a boatload of bugs shortly after (did you know Discourse has no QA testing?). People weren't happy with the "infiniscroll", the general website slowness, the inconsistent DiscoMardownBBcdeHTML syntax, etc. They started to complain. >The Discourse team came to the forum to answer questions and monitor the "meta/bugs" category (which was collecting several bugs per day). They had some frictions with the community since Jeff Atwood's idea of "civilized discussion" is clearly different than TDWTF's (plus some members in particular love to post inflamatory comments). This went on for some time, then they left. >But the forum was still slow and crashed every other day, and people still wanted to report bugs, so they went to meta.discourse.org, the official forum and bug tracker (Bugzilla, Jira? nope, Discourse). But as I said, Jeff has his own ideas of civilized discourse, which include things like silently deleting your posts for no clear reason. Some TDWTF forum members decided to troll him a bit, doing things like everyone using the same avatar, but nothing particularly bad (IMO). This again went on for some time. >Then disaster happened: the admin of TDWTF forums went to meta.discourse to report that two buttons were in different order in the mobile and desktop views, but he made the mistake of illustrating the desktop view with a mobile screenshot (browser set to desktop mode). Jeff replied "not a bug, desktop view on mobile is not supported". The first admin replied that this had nothing to do with the bug, you can easily reproduce it in a desktop browser. >...and in response, Jeff banned every member of TDWTF, with the only messages "sorry, you are no longer welcome here", and another Discourse developer self-banned from TDWTF with the message "Time for you to migrate off Discourse".


  • @anonymous234 said:

    meta.discourse.com, the official forum and bug tracker

    https://meta.discourse.org/

    @anonymous234 said:

    "Time for you to migrate off Discourse".

    That was @sam's self-ban message at this forum.



  • @anonymous234 said:

    "Time for you to migrate off Discourse".
    If only Alex would follow that advice.



  • @Maciejasjmj said:

    https://meta.discourse.org/

    Fixed

    @Maciejasjmj said:

    That was @sam's self-ban message at this forum.

    I was trying to keep it concise but I suppose it's better to say it like it is.



  • Clicked one of the links posted here. It took me to a page with single comment. There's a back button on that page that I expected to take me to the page with all comments. It took me back to this forum.



  • I can take credit for that one :smile: . I was hoping it was subtle enough that he'd actually respond to it (so people would see what a complete moron he wasis).



  • @Gaska said:

    Clicked one of the links posted here. It took me to a page with single comment. There's a back button on that page that I expected to take me to the page with all comments. It took me back to this forum.

    My earlier comments about boycotting Slashdot? It was because of a UI design.

    Also, yes.



  • So, a little less than half a day into the /. interview questions process, and the overwhelming majority of questions are either bitching about the :doing_it_wrong: mentality on SO or discopocolypse related or people takings shots at The Chosen One.

    Ladies and Gentlebeings, Jeff Atwood, coder extraordinaire and all around nice guy.



  • @mott555 said:

    I don't understand the format of that website. It looks like one of those spam hosts that screen-scrapes forums and mashes everything together into one jumbled mess that's only good at bad SEO.

    I'm not sure what I'm reading either. Is Jeff actually responding anywhere in that jumbled soup ?


  • area_deu

    @Quinnum said:

    Is Jeff actually responding anywhere in that jumbled soup ?

    The replies are always in a later article.

    This is /., not a reddit AMA.


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