Go gets Belgium'd



  • The Code of Conduct for the Go Community

    Condescending behavior:
    M posts a message to /r/golang describing the approach they're planning to take for wrapping http.HandlerFunc and asking for feedback.

    P replies to the message "Why don’t you just do it the obvious way?" with an explanation of an alternate approach.

    N, a bystander to this exchange, replies “That may have been obvious to you, but you shouldn’t assume that it’s obvious to just anyone.”

    P replies “Well I guess you’re an idiot too, then.”

    Q, a moderator, bans P, and posts to the original thread “I have banned P because their behavior was unacceptable. Sorry for the trouble.”

    The issue is resolved.

    Microaggressions:
    J is a regular poster to the golang-nuts mailing list. On one thread, they make the comment “Go’s type system is so simple even my grandma could understand it.”

    Another poster points out that the comment goes against the code of conduct, since it marginalises women and the elderly by implying that something need be simple for an old woman to understand it.

    Enforcement
    The official Go forums (as described in the “Where does it apply” section above) are not free speech venues. They are for structured conversation about Go.

    If you wish to conduct yourself in a way that goes against the values stated in the previous section, you will be asked to stop. If you do not stop, you will be removed from our community spaces.

    The forum moderators are volunteers that are free to act with their own discretion.



  • @Spanky587 said:

    since it marginalises women and the elderly by implying that something need be simple for an old woman to understand it.

    Jesus Christ.


  • sockdevs

    @Spanky587 said:

    Another poster points out that the comment goes against the code of conduct, since it marginalises women and the elderly by implying that something need be simple for an old woman to understand it.



  • @Spanky587 said:

    P...[gives] an explanation of an alternate approach

    @Spanky587 said:

    Q, a moderator, bans P

    Oh, that's helpful. Ban helpful people because they weren't nice.


  • sockdevs

    @rc4 said:

    Oh, that's helpful. Ban helpful people because they weren't nice.

    what are you talking about? that's very helpful! why if we didn't have to worry about interacting with people who aren't nice we would have a much more positive and microagression free programming experience in complete isolation from all other human beings!

    that's like paradise!

    :trolleybus:





  • @DogsB said:

    http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1510.3/02866.html

    Linus is been nice for once!

    "Get rid of it. And I don't ever want to see that shit again."

    That is a little nicer than usual. :rofl:



  • @Spanky587 said:

    Another poster points out that the comment goes against the code of conduct, since it marginalises women and the elderly by implying that something need be simple for an old woman to understand it.

    I take it the one doing the microagression is the poster that posts this, right?



  • @DogsB said:

    http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1510.3/02866.html

    Linus is been nice for once!

    A shiny function that we have never ever needed anywhere else, and that is just compiler-masturbation.

    :laughing:


  • area_deu

    @loopback0 said:

    compiler-masturbation

    Googling showed me this:

    Compiler (as in a source code compiler) features two girls, Compiler and Assembler,

    Have fun!



  • Of course there's anime for it :facepalm:


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Somewhere in the infinite multiverse exists a reality where Linus Torvalds got fed up with C and dealing with dimwitted kernel contributors and switched alignments to Microsoft, C# and SQL. In that reality, he works for me at WTFcorp as my head code reviewer.

    In that reality, my job is awesome as fuck.


  • :belt_onion:

    According to wiki, it's not a hentai, which is surprising, honestly.

    Could be a good giant robot show though!


    Filed under: Sources, compile and roll out!


  • area_deu

    @Onyx said:

    According to wiki, it's not a hentai, which is surprising, honestly.

    I'm sure you can find some based on it ...




  • :belt_onion:

    I'll pass, thanks. I know how well computerish type topics get covered in the media. I'd rather not have my pr0n give me a headache.



  • @loopback0 said:

    @Spanky587 said:
    Go

    FROZEN - Let It Go Sing-along | Official Disney HD – 04:03
    — Disney UK


    YOU FUCKING MONSTER DIE IN VAT OF ACID!?!!?!?

    @aliceif said:

    Googling showed me this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler_(anime)

    Compiler (as in a source code compiler) features two girls, Compiler and Assembler,

    Have fun!

    I would ask but I don't want to know.

    @Weng said:

    In that reality, my job is awesome as fuck.
    Probably, if Linus takes his balls out of you face long enough for you to breathe.

    @aliceif said:

    I'm sure you can find some based on it ...
    ?If not! We'll create it in play dough!



  • @DogsB said:

    YOU FUCKING MONSTER DIE IN VAT OF ACID!?!!?!?

    You don't seem sure about that.



    Filed under : Let it go...



  • They're so near to each other when I start hammering them...


  • sockdevs

    @DogsB said:

    YOU FUCKING MONSTER DIE IN VAT OF ACID!?!!?!?

    sounds like someone needs to let it go



  • @accalia said:

    sounds like someone needs to let it go
    What?! I'm never gonna give it up!



  • @rc4 said:

    Oh, that's helpful. Ban helpful people because they weren't nice.

    There is a line.

    How about one person who's so productive that he does the work of three people, but is such a poison to be around (I can't think of the word for it right now) that the 10 people he works with function at 50%? Overall production is DOWN because of this guy. Let him go, production and profits go up. Actual case I ran into at a manufacturing client about 15 years ago.

    Highly productive people can - and should - be able to get away with just about everything short of murder, provided they enhance the group overall by doing so, not when they're such a negative to the whole.



  • A) I think that's a serious edge case.
    B) I think that's not something you're going to run into in an online forum unless your users are massive babies. in which case they should grow up, not be pandered to



  • @redwizard said:

    Highly productive people can - and should - be able to get away with just about everything short of murder, provided they enhance the group overall by doing so, not when they're such a negative to the whole.

    They should be able to get away with actual murder too.
    If we murdered our boss everyone else's productivity would go up.



  • @rc4 said:

    in which case they should grow up, not be pandered to

    It's alright they left instead :passport_control:



  • :v:



  • Well, if I'm looking for serious discussion I'd rather not have a forum full of condescending assholes who insult everyone else over petty stuff.

    Even here at WTDWTF we might troll and stuff, but we rarely just openly call each other names like that (at least most users don't...).



  • Did you link to the right place? I think you meant



  • My grandma would make better community rules than that.



  • @accalia said:

    @DogsB said:
    YOU FUCKING MONSTER DIE IN VAT OF ACID!?!!?!?

    sounds like someone needs to let it go

    you're just a dreadful awful person.

    @TwelveBaud said:

    sounds like someone needs to let it go

    What?! I'm never gonna give it up!

    I love Rick Ashly!

    @cartman82 said:

    My grandma would make better community rules than that.
    Oh snap Linden!



  • @cartman82 said:

    My grandma would make better community rules than that.

    :rofl:



  • @Spanky587 said:

    J is a regular poster to the golang-nuts mailing list. On one thread, they make the comment “Go’s type system is so simple even my grandma could understand it.”

    Another poster points out that the comment goes against the code of conduct, since it marginalises women and the elderly by implying that something need be simple for an old woman to understand it.

    I thought that microagressions thread here was a joke? My whole world view is shattered.

    Also, as if anyone needed one more reason to not use Go.



  • I agree with the "grandma," thing, actually.

    We have an issue with women in tech. Very few women end up thinking engineering (of any kind) is right for them. Now, I know the kind of people that think "Social Justice Warrior" is an insult will claim that women's brains are somehow fundamentally different and they just don't have all the right synapses to be analytical, but the fact is that women's participation in computer science used to be much higher - it took a huge nose dive in the '80s, at the same time pop culture started portraying it as a male thing.

    People like to think our personal interests some kind of innate thing, not at all influenced my media and larger society, but sorry! The human brain doesn't work that way. No one is going out and telling girls that they shouldn't be scientists, and they should be ballerinas. But every "dumb blonde" joke, every adult who praises their looks instead of their smarts, and every kids show where the bookworm is a boy and the ditz is a girl (ie, most of them), is another brick in the wall.

    So leave your grandma alone.



  • @Pharylon said:

    But every "dumb blonde" joke, every adult who praises their looks instead of their smarts, and every kids show where the bookworm is a boy and the ditz is a girl (ie, most of them), is another brick in the wall.

    Big "citation needed" on this.


  • sockdevs

    @DogsB said:

    you're just a dreadful awful person.



  • @Pharylon said:

    But every "dumb blonde" joke, every adult who praises their looks instead of their smarts

    Yeah. Men are never on the receiving end of this, are they?



  • I only got the unabridged joke recently,,,


  • :belt_onion:

    I really liked that term, perfect for people who have compiler fetishes and want to use an obscure idiom they just read one blog post about.



  • @dse said:

    perfect for people who have compiler fetishes

    Paging @ben_lubar.


  • :belt_onion:

    @accalia said:

    what are you talking about? that's very helpful! why if we didn't have to worry about interacting with people who aren't nice we would have a much more positive and microagression context free programminggrammar experience in complete isolation from all other human beings!

    CTFY



  • @loopback0 said:

    Yeah. Men are never on the receiving end of this, are they?

    It's not a zero sum game. When someone says something about racism, do you respond "What, like white people never get the short end of the stick?"

    Bad stereotypes are impressed on boys too, but the issue was specifically about marginalizing women.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Pharylon said:

    Now, I know the kind of people that think "Social Justice Warrior" is an insult will claim that women's brains are somehow fundamentally different and they just don't have all the right synapses to be analytical,

    You've been spending too much time browsing r/theredpill. Most of us don't think that. You might try asking us what we think (there are enough of us here who use SJW as an insult) instead of blindly following the Narrative.



  • @Pharylon said:

    the issue was specifically about marginalizing women.

    Which no-one was seriously doing.



  • Did anyone actually read the link?

    Because the first post of this thread is 100% trolling. And you all fell for it. The document linked in the first post explains the process for approving changes to the language. It does not say anything about being nice to other people.

    Or am I missing something?



  • @antiquarian said:

    You've been spending too much time browsing r/theredpill. Most of us don't think that. You might try asking us what we think (there are enough of us here who use SJW as an insult) instead of blindly following the Narrative.

    Eh, I'm not a huge redditor. Never heard of that one before. But you can glean a lot from a person by the language they use. Like, if someone uses the word "cis" to describe a straight person, I have a good idea they're pretty deep into the LGBT community. I don't need to hear their long in depth explanation of why we should use that term instead of "straight," or they're not exactly the same or whatever. Similarly, when people start saying "SJW" or "MRA," I have a pretty good idea where they stand on women's issues. I don't need to hear the long version I've heard a million times before. I mean, feel free to contradict me if I want. But I doubt you will.

    @loopback0 said:

    Which no-one was seriously doing.

    Did I say they were? Nope, I didn't.

    But identical resumes for STEM jobs are viewed as weaker if they have a woman's name on them than a man's. Now, I don't think all of these scientists are all like "LOL, women can't science!" but we all absorb a lot of stereotypes subconciously. Both men and women consistently underestimate women's intelligence. Why is that happening? We've got too options: on some gentic programed level, we're just wired to think that women are less intelligent than they are. Or, it's possible it's something we absorb from society.

    Of those two, I think the latter is far more likely. Mostly becuase, historically, every time people have said "that's just innate to the sexes," it turns out they're wrong. I mean, not every time. But most of the time. And if we're absorbing it from society, where's it coming from? It's not hard to figure out. It's all the little things. No one tells a girl "you can't be a programmer." They just hear dumb girl/mom/grandma jokes. They see TV Shows where the girls are princesses and ballerinas and the boys are leaders and adventurers (with a booksmart-yet-streetdumb sidekick, who is also a boy 90% of the time).

    You may be doing it in jest, and not "seriously," but that doesn't mean it doesn't have an impact.


  • :belt_onion:

    I usually stay silent about this shit, but tonight... tonight I'm in a bit of a mood. So here goes.

    Split that shit in its own topic if you want, so I can mute it. Same goes with politics and religion. I won't even tell you what my stance on the subject is, because it doesn't fucking matter. This is a god damned techie forum. I'm not saying don't discuss this stuff. Go for it! But split this shit in its own damned topic because you damned well know it's a huge flame and troll bait. And you know it will turn into another rolling 1k+ post thread that goes on, and on, and on, with same actors and same shit over and over again.

    Some of us don't want that shit in our regular damned threads. We come here to bitch and moan about tech and our coworkers, and their damned code. Hell, and ours as well. If I want to discuss this stuff there's damned tumblr, and twitter, and probably 10 fucking 1k+ threads already. And I'll come there when I feel like it.

    Now, do I have to flag shit or can someone please split this so I can argue with @ben_lubar about how Go sucks in god damned honest to nerd peace?



  • @Pharylon said:

    Similarly, when people start saying "SJW" or "MRA," I have a pretty good idea where they stand on women's issues.

    :facepalm:

    Hey, Bra @Fox, you and this guy should be friends.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Pharylon said:

    Similarly, when people start saying "SJW" or "MRA," I have a pretty good idea where they stand on women's issues. I don't need to hear the long version I've heard a million times before.

    Do you not think it's possible to object to the thought policing and the end-justifies-the-means attitude without having a particular stand on women's issues?



  • @antiquarian said:

    Do you not think it's possible to object to the thought policing and the end-justifies-the-means attitude without having a particular stand on women's issues?

    While I completely disagree with your perceptions of it, I understand what you mean. And, yes, sure I do. There are certainly people that you would call a "SJW" that I would be on your side in disagreeing with, and disliking the tactics of.

    That being said, in practice it never works out that way. It's like, recently there was a study, and it turns out that people who use the #GamerGate hashtag on Twitter were as likely to be pro-life as #ShoutYourAbortion users were to be pro-choice. So, while I can see that in theory a "Gamegater" might really just be concerned about games journalism ethics, in practice you can assume a lot more about them.

    Similarly, anyone who would use the phrase "Social Justice Warrior" as a perjoritive... I mean, social justice is good! You might want to think about the image you're projecting. So while I might even sometimes agree with you about a specific person who is a "SJW" in your view, by using that term you're going to make someone like me assume a lot of other things about you that I almost always see getting spouted by people who call others "SJWs."



  • You're missing my post.

    @anonymous234 said:

    Did you link to the right place? I think you meant
    https://github.com/golang/proposal/blob/master/design/13073-code-of-conduct.md


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